[Michael[_24_]]

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.

Thanks.

[Mike Marlow[_2_]]

Michael wrote:

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like
painted OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.


Simple - don't use OSB.

--

-Mike-

[John Grossbohlin[_4_]]

"Michael" wrote in message
...

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted OSB?
It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.

Well, if it's got to be OSB, and assuming it is for indoor use, skim coat it
with drywall joint compound and sand smooth... then prime and paint.

John

[Ivan Vegvary[_2_]]

Michael, I use OSB everywhere in my huge shop. Skim coat with drywall compound is extremely fast and you save lots of money on paint. My guess is that it takes about 3 times as much paint to do nude OSB.
Ivan Vegvary

[woodchucker[_3_]]

On 4/11/2014 3:26 PM, Michael wrote:
What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.

Thanks.


The secret is buying sanded, maple, or birch ply.
There is no way to make a rough surface look good.

It's like how to I take a piece of crap and turn it into gold... you
just can't do it.

OSB is an awful material in my opinion. It rots real quickly, it
doesn't hold nails or screws real well.

It's been misused by builders over and over. My slate floor was laid on
top of it... The builder was an idiot.

And that's how I feel about it... :-)

--
Jeff

[Mike Marlow[_2_]]

John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message
...

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like
painted OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.

Well, if it's got to be OSB, and assuming it is for indoor use, skim
coat it with drywall joint compound and sand smooth... then prime and
paint.
John

Ugh! That will certainly work, but for my money, it's way too much work
compared to simply using a better material.

--

-Mike-

[Bob La Londe[_7_]]

"Michael" wrote in message
...
What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted
OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.

Thanks.

Indoors or outdoors? If outdoors stucco. If indoors a hopper gun and mud.

[Lew Hodgett[_6_]]

Subject

What is the old saying about making a silk purse from a pig's ear?

You can't get there from here.

Lew

[Michael[_24_]]

On Friday, April 11, 2014 4:13:41 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message

...

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted

OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.



Thanks.



Indoors or outdoors? If outdoors stucco. If indoors a hopper gun and mud.

I should have been more specific. Outdoor. But as Mike says, maybe I should just use a decent ply.

Thanks.

[Spalted Walt]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:26:34 -0700 (PDT), Michael
wrote:

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted OSB?

The secret is to NOT paint OSB, only stain, BLO, or clear poly OSB.


http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...rowe-table.jpg

http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...rowe-chair.jpg

http://www.cmstatic1.com/28434/28434.126323.jpg

http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/666....346149090.jpg

http://www.cmstatic1.com/28434/28434.126863.jpg

http://www.archilovers.com/p87550/in...osb?sMiniImg=0

[woodchucker[_3_]]

On 4/11/2014 7:08 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:26:34 -0700 (PDT), Michael
wrote:

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted OSB?

The secret is to NOT paint OSB, only stain, BLO, or clear poly OSB.


http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...rowe-table.jpg

http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...rowe-chair.jpg

http://www.cmstatic1.com/28434/28434.126323.jpg

http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/666....346149090.jpg

http://www.cmstatic1.com/28434/28434.126863.jpg

http://www.archilovers.com/p87550/in...osb?sMiniImg=0


I don't share the love of OSB...

--
Jeff

[woodchucker[_3_]]

On 4/11/2014 6:24 PM, Michael wrote:
On Friday, April 11, 2014 4:13:41 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message

...

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted

OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.



Thanks.



Indoors or outdoors? If outdoors stucco. If indoors a hopper gun and mud.

I should have been more specific. Outdoor. But as Mike says, maybe I should just use a decent ply.

Thanks.

Considering it is used for sheathing and is glued up wafers... you would
think it does well outdoors. But I have found it rots fast, blows up
when water gets into it... (considering it's mostly glue I don't
understand that).... Also I think the sun will cause it to fail if not
treated. I can't be sure, but I have seen OSB turn black and just flake
away, my suspicion was sun and heat.. but it could have been for other
reasons... I'm not sure... so I don't consider it a good outdoor wood,
without protection.

--
Jeff

[[email protected]]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 19:37:36 -0400, woodchucker
wrote:

On 4/11/2014 7:08 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:26:34 -0700 (PDT), Michael
wrote:

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted OSB?

The secret is to NOT paint OSB, only stain, BLO, or clear poly OSB.


http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...rowe-table.jpg

http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...rowe-chair.jpg

http://www.cmstatic1.com/28434/28434.126323.jpg

http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/666....346149090.jpg

http://www.cmstatic1.com/28434/28434.126863.jpg

http://www.archilovers.com/p87550/in...osb?sMiniImg=0

That's just sick!

I don't share the love of OSB...

[[email protected]]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:26:34 -0700 (PDT), Michael
wrote:

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.

Thanks.
Cover it with Masonite first???

[[email protected]]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:24:48 -0700 (PDT), Michael
wrote:

On Friday, April 11, 2014 4:13:41 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message

...

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted

OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.



Thanks.



Indoors or outdoors? If outdoors stucco. If indoors a hopper gun and mud.

I should have been more specific. Outdoor. But as Mike says, maybe I should just use a decent ply.

Thanks.
Or just put siding on it. Aluminum or vinyl, or even hardy-board or
Masonite hardboard siding. ANYTHING looks better than a 4'X8' straw
bale.

[Michael[_24_]]

On Friday, April 11, 2014 6:08:42 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:26:34 -0700 (PDT), Michael

wrote:



What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted OSB?



The secret is to NOT paint OSB, only stain, BLO, or clear poly OSB.





http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...rowe-table.jpg



http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...rowe-chair.jpg



http://www.cmstatic1.com/28434/28434.126323.jpg



http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/666....346149090.jpg



http://www.cmstatic1.com/28434/28434.126863.jpg



http://www.archilovers.com/p87550/in...osb?sMiniImg=0

Once you see it, you can't un-see it.

[Michael[_24_]]

On Friday, April 11, 2014 7:22:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:24:48 -0700 (PDT), Michael

wrote:



On Friday, April 11, 2014 4:13:41 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:

"Michael" wrote in message



...



What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted



OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.







Thanks.







Indoors or outdoors? If outdoors stucco. If indoors a hopper gun and mud.



I should have been more specific. Outdoor. But as Mike says, maybe I should just use a decent ply.



Thanks.

Or just put siding on it. Aluminum or vinyl, or even hardy-board or

Masonite hardboard siding. ANYTHING looks better than a 4'X8' straw

bale.

It was going to side my solar wood kiln, so maybe the heat inside (polycarbonate surface plus painted black inside) makes the material even less desirable if heat affects its structural properties. I'm going to put the kiln behind the garage where it's not going to be seen very often, but I still don't like the look of painted OSB even back there. My materials list calls for 5 sheets of 4x8, so I'm looking at an additional cost of about $50.00 if I use good plywood.

[-MIKE-]

On 4/11/14, 2:48 PM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Michael" wrote in message
...

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted
OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.

Well, if it's got to be OSB, and assuming it is for indoor use, skim
coat it with drywall joint compound and sand smooth... then prime and
paint.

John

Yeah, that. ^^^^^


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

[-MIKE-]

On 4/11/14, 3:28 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 3:26 PM, Michael wrote:
What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like
painted OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so
cheap-looking.

Thanks.


The secret is buying sanded, maple, or birch ply. There is no way to
make a rough surface look good.

It's like how to I take a piece of crap and turn it into gold... you
just can't do it.

OSB is an awful material in my opinion. It rots real quickly,

Anything will rot when it stays wet. Wood building material aren't
supposed to stay wet.

it doesn't hold nails or screws real well.


I'm curious, when's the last time you used it?
I have it in my shop and it holds screws great! Especially those Spax
screws designed for particle board.

In my opinion, no ply product holds nails well and they shouldn't be
used when screws are available.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

[-MIKE-]

On 4/11/14, 6:08 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 12:26:34 -0700 (PDT), Michael
wrote:

What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted OSB?

The secret is to NOT paint OSB, only stain, BLO, or clear poly OSB.


http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...rowe-table.jpg

http://media.treehugger.com/assets/i...rowe-chair.jpg

http://www.cmstatic1.com/28434/28434.126323.jpg

http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/666....346149090.jpg

http://www.cmstatic1.com/28434/28434.126863.jpg

http://www.archilovers.com/p87550/in...osb?sMiniImg=0



Those are some of the ugliest examples of "furniture" I've seen in my
life.
And I've been to Ikea.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

[[email protected]]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 17:29:20 -0700 (PDT), Michael
wrote:

On Friday, April 11, 2014 7:22:06 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014 15:24:48 -0700 (PDT), Michael

wrote:



On Friday, April 11, 2014 4:13:41 PM UTC-5, Bob La Londe wrote:

"Michael" wrote in message



...



What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like painted



OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so cheap-looking.







Thanks.







Indoors or outdoors? If outdoors stucco. If indoors a hopper gun and mud.



I should have been more specific. Outdoor. But as Mike says, maybe I should just use a decent ply.



Thanks.

Or just put siding on it. Aluminum or vinyl, or even hardy-board or

Masonite hardboard siding. ANYTHING looks better than a 4'X8' straw

bale.

It was going to side my solar wood kiln, so maybe the heat inside (polycarbonate surface plus painted black inside) makes the material even less desirable if heat affects its structural properties. I'm going to put the kiln behind the garage where it's not going to be seen very often, but I still don't like the look of painted OSB even back there. My materials list calls for 5 sheets of 4x8, so I'm looking at an additional cost of about $50.00 if I use good plywood.

Youl save that in paint.

[woodchucker[_3_]]

On 4/11/2014 8:44 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 3:28 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 3:26 PM, Michael wrote:
What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like
painted OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so
cheap-looking.

Thanks.


The secret is buying sanded, maple, or birch ply. There is no way to
make a rough surface look good.

It's like how to I take a piece of crap and turn it into gold... you
just can't do it.

OSB is an awful material in my opinion. It rots real quickly,

Anything will rot when it stays wet. Wood building material aren't
supposed to stay wet.

it doesn't hold nails or screws real well.


I'm curious, when's the last time you used it?
I have it in my shop and it holds screws great! Especially those Spax
screws designed for particle board.

Well the house was built in 87 and that's the OSB I've primarily worked
with and been frustrated with. Although I have a few sheets of OSB in
the basement, that I am waiting to use on some garbage project. I got it
for $1 and figured if I ever need a shipping crate it would be the tkt.


In my opinion, no ply product holds nails well and they shouldn't be
used when screws are available.


I would agree.


--
Jeff

[-MIKE-]

On 4/11/14, 8:40 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:44 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 3:28 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 3:26 PM, Michael wrote:
What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like
painted OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so
cheap-looking.

Thanks.


The secret is buying sanded, maple, or birch ply. There is no way
to make a rough surface look good.

It's like how to I take a piece of crap and turn it into gold...
you just can't do it.

OSB is an awful material in my opinion. It rots real quickly,

Anything will rot when it stays wet. Wood building material
aren't supposed to stay wet.

it doesn't hold nails or screws real well.


I'm curious, when's the last time you used it? I have it in my shop
and it holds screws great! Especially those Spax screws designed
for particle board.

Well the house was built in 87 and that's the OSB I've primarily
worked with and been frustrated with. Although I have a few sheets of
OSB in the basement, that I am waiting to use on some garbage
project. I got it for $1 and figured if I ever need a shipping crate
it would be the tkt.


That's what I figured. I remember working with the stuff in the late
80s and early 90s and it was pretty nasty. The OSB that's out now is
much different. It's still OSB, so it is what it is. But I've found it
to be much improved over the stuff from 25 years ago.

If you ever run across Advantech or Norbord Truflor, check them out.
They are very advanced OSB subflooring sheets and are great to work with
and strong as an ox. Also, they are very water resistant.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

[woodchucker[_3_]]

On 4/11/2014 9:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 8:40 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:44 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 3:28 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 3:26 PM, Michael wrote:
What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look like
painted OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so
cheap-looking.

Thanks.


The secret is buying sanded, maple, or birch ply. There is no way
to make a rough surface look good.

It's like how to I take a piece of crap and turn it into gold...
you just can't do it.

OSB is an awful material in my opinion. It rots real quickly,

Anything will rot when it stays wet. Wood building material
aren't supposed to stay wet.

it doesn't hold nails or screws real well.


I'm curious, when's the last time you used it? I have it in my shop
and it holds screws great! Especially those Spax screws designed
for particle board.

Well the house was built in 87 and that's the OSB I've primarily
worked with and been frustrated with. Although I have a few sheets of
OSB in the basement, that I am waiting to use on some garbage
project. I got it for $1 and figured if I ever need a shipping crate
it would be the tkt.


That's what I figured. I remember working with the stuff in the late
80s and early 90s and it was pretty nasty. The OSB that's out now is
much different. It's still OSB, so it is what it is. But I've found it
to be much improved over the stuff from 25 years ago.

If you ever run across Advantech or Norbord Truflor, check them out.
They are very advanced OSB subflooring sheets and are great to work with
and strong as an ox. Also, they are very water resistant.



So for flooring the companies that make the mortar, or glues do not
recommend OSB under any tile, or stone. There has to be a reason.

But I would probably agree that the product has changed, but that
doesn't help my problem of it being CRAP. It won't even hold a screw, it
just flakes away... garbage. Have you been following the AZEK suits.
The product is quickly failing in many locations.. yes there are many
sucesses too. The problem is where it is failing. The company says we
don't guarantee the look, but the product is cracking, chalking, etc...
why would you buy a product that in less than a year is failing.
Same with the OLD OSB.. it's crap.. that I will pay 4 times for. I have
already started replacing sheathing. I have aluminum siding. So I have
to replace sheathing, wrap, siding... And who's to pay.. I don't have
that problem with PLY. Are the manufacturers going to pay... hell no.
They sell it and walk away...

--
Jeff

[Swingman]

On 4/11/2014 8:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

If you ever run across Advantech or Norbord Truflor, check them out.
They are very advanced OSB subflooring sheets and are great to work with
and strong as an ox. Also, they are very water resistant.

This^

... big fan of Advantech for subfloors, particularly over crawlspaces:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...04157 6783458


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Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
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http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
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[-MIKE-]

On 4/11/14, 9:39 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 9:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 8:40 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:44 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 3:28 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 3:26 PM, Michael wrote:
What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look
like painted OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so
cheap-looking.

Thanks.


The secret is buying sanded, maple, or birch ply. There is no
way to make a rough surface look good.

It's like how to I take a piece of crap and turn it into
gold... you just can't do it.

OSB is an awful material in my opinion. It rots real
quickly,

Anything will rot when it stays wet. Wood building material
aren't supposed to stay wet.

it doesn't hold nails or screws real well.


I'm curious, when's the last time you used it? I have it in my
shop and it holds screws great! Especially those Spax screws
designed for particle board.

Well the house was built in 87 and that's the OSB I've primarily
worked with and been frustrated with. Although I have a few
sheets of OSB in the basement, that I am waiting to use on some
garbage project. I got it for $1 and figured if I ever need a
shipping crate it would be the tkt.


That's what I figured. I remember working with the stuff in the
late 80s and early 90s and it was pretty nasty. The OSB that's out
now is much different. It's still OSB, so it is what it is. But
I've found it to be much improved over the stuff from 25 years
ago.

If you ever run across Advantech or Norbord Truflor, check them
out. They are very advanced OSB subflooring sheets and are great to
work with and strong as an ox. Also, they are very water
resistant.



So for flooring the companies that make the mortar, or glues do not
recommend OSB under any tile, or stone. There has to be a reason.

But I would probably agree that the product has changed, but that
doesn't help my problem of it being CRAP. It won't even hold a screw,
it just flakes away... garbage. Have you been following the AZEK
suits. The product is quickly failing in many locations.. yes there
are many sucesses too. The problem is where it is failing. The
company says we don't guarantee the look, but the product is
cracking, chalking, etc... why would you buy a product that in less
than a year is failing. Same with the OLD OSB.. it's crap.. that I
will pay 4 times for. I have already started replacing sheathing. I
have aluminum siding. So I have to replace sheathing, wrap, siding...
And who's to pay.. I don't have that problem with PLY. Are the
manufacturers going to pay... hell no. They sell it and walk away...


You shouldn't put tile down over any wood product. Period.
That's what cement board is for. I use Schluter-DITRA between sub-floor
and tile and will never use cement board again.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

[Swingman]

On 4/11/2014 3:28 PM, woodchucker wrote:

OSB is an awful material in my opinion. It rots real quickly, it
doesn't hold nails or screws real well.

It's been misused by builders over and over. My slate floor was laid on
top of it... The builder was an idiot.

And that's how I feel about it... :-)

Pretty much how I feel about OSB as well. As a builder, I will not use
OSB for sheathing or roof decking, period.

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Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
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http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
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[-MIKE-]

On 4/11/14, 9:53 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

If you ever run across Advantech or Norbord Truflor, check them out.
They are very advanced OSB subflooring sheets and are great to work with
and strong as an ox. Also, they are very water resistant.

This^

... big fan of Advantech for subfloors, particularly over crawlspaces:

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...04157 6783458


Oooooh, how I love floor trusses!


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

[-MIKE-]

On 4/11/14, 9:57 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/11/2014 3:28 PM, woodchucker wrote:

OSB is an awful material in my opinion. It rots real quickly, it
doesn't hold nails or screws real well.

It's been misused by builders over and over. My slate floor was
laid on top of it... The builder was an idiot.

And that's how I feel about it... :-)

Pretty much how I feel about OSB as well. As a builder, I will not
use OSB for sheathing or roof decking, period.


I guess wee need to specify what we're talking about because technically
Advantech is an Oriented Strand Board, no?


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

[woodchucker[_3_]]

On 4/11/2014 10:55 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 9:39 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 9:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 8:40 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 8:44 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 3:28 PM, woodchucker wrote:
On 4/11/2014 3:26 PM, Michael wrote:
What's the secret to painting OSB so that it doesn't look
like painted OSB? It doesn't have to be great, just not so
cheap-looking.

Thanks.


The secret is buying sanded, maple, or birch ply. There is no
way to make a rough surface look good.

It's like how to I take a piece of crap and turn it into
gold... you just can't do it.

OSB is an awful material in my opinion. It rots real
quickly,

Anything will rot when it stays wet. Wood building material
aren't supposed to stay wet.

it doesn't hold nails or screws real well.


I'm curious, when's the last time you used it? I have it in my
shop and it holds screws great! Especially those Spax screws
designed for particle board.

Well the house was built in 87 and that's the OSB I've primarily
worked with and been frustrated with. Although I have a few
sheets of OSB in the basement, that I am waiting to use on some
garbage project. I got it for $1 and figured if I ever need a
shipping crate it would be the tkt.


That's what I figured. I remember working with the stuff in the
late 80s and early 90s and it was pretty nasty. The OSB that's out
now is much different. It's still OSB, so it is what it is. But
I've found it to be much improved over the stuff from 25 years
ago.

If you ever run across Advantech or Norbord Truflor, check them
out. They are very advanced OSB subflooring sheets and are great to
work with and strong as an ox. Also, they are very water
resistant.



So for flooring the companies that make the mortar, or glues do not
recommend OSB under any tile, or stone. There has to be a reason.

But I would probably agree that the product has changed, but that
doesn't help my problem of it being CRAP. It won't even hold a screw,
it just flakes away... garbage. Have you been following the AZEK
suits. The product is quickly failing in many locations.. yes there
are many sucesses too. The problem is where it is failing. The
company says we don't guarantee the look, but the product is
cracking, chalking, etc... why would you buy a product that in less
than a year is failing. Same with the OLD OSB.. it's crap.. that I
will pay 4 times for. I have already started replacing sheathing. I
have aluminum siding. So I have to replace sheathing, wrap, siding...
And who's to pay.. I don't have that problem with PLY. Are the
manufacturers going to pay... hell no. They sell it and walk away...


You shouldn't put tile down over any wood product. Period.
That's what cement board is for. I use Schluter-DITRA between sub-floor
and tile and will never use cement board again.


Again, the idiots that built my house thought it was a good subfloor. Go
figure. Did the OSB manufacturers back then advertise it as such?

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On 4/11/2014 9:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

Oooooh, how I love floor trusses!

I particularly love them myself, a thing of beauty and functionality
when they are done to precision.

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On 4/11/2014 9:55 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
You shouldn't put tile down over any wood product. Period.

Amen ...

That's what cement board is for. I use Schluter-DITRA between sub-floor
and tile and will never use cement board again.

Great product, not always handy when "we need two more rolls" is heard,
a bit pricy for some budgets, but worth it when buildup of layers
between floors is an issue.

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On 4/11/2014 10:00 PM, woodchucker wrote:
Again, the idiots that built my house thought it was a good subfloor. Go
figure. Did the OSB manufacturers back then advertise it as such?

And still do. Builder's use it for one main reason ... it's cheaper than
alternative products.

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On 4/11/2014 10:00 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 4/11/14, 9:57 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/11/2014 3:28 PM, woodchucker wrote:

OSB is an awful material in my opinion. It rots real quickly, it
doesn't hold nails or screws real well.

It's been misused by builders over and over. My slate floor was
laid on top of it... The builder was an idiot.

And that's how I feel about it... :-)

Pretty much how I feel about OSB as well. As a builder, I will not
use OSB for sheathing or roof decking, period.


I guess wee need to specify what we're talking about because technically
Advantech is an Oriented Strand Board, no?

Technically ... like a Maserati is an automobile.

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On 4/11/14, 10:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/11/2014 9:58 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

Oooooh, how I love floor trusses!

I particularly love them myself, a thing of beauty and functionality
when they are done to precision.


And no plumbers cutting 6" holes in a 10" joist. :-)


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"-MIKE-" wrote

That's what I figured. I remember working with the stuff in the late
80s and early 90s and it was pretty nasty. The OSB that's out now is
much different. It's still OSB, so it is what it is. But I've found it
to be much improved over the stuff from 25 years ago.

If you ever run across Advantech or Norbord Truflor, check them out.
They are very advanced OSB subflooring sheets and are great to work with
and strong as an ox. Also, they are very water resistant.

If you were to in any way compare OSB and Advantec (engineered subfloor
composite board) I would argue most strenuously. They are not the same
product. Not even close. In the first place, OSB is made cheaply to cover
large areas economically, where strength is not key. The engineered
subfloor is very strong, and used because it does not suffer from
delaminating and voids as modern plywood seems to suffer. It is also quite
expensive, in comparison to OSB.

Advantec is still not to be used under tile because no wood is rated for
direct contact with masonry unless is is treated, and Advantec is not. Wood
also does not have the same coefficients of expansion as tile, and therefore
is not a good choice of material for bonding to masonry. Advantec, however,
shows very little signs of swelling or coming apart in flakes when exposed
to the weather, even for long periods of time. I have seen it weather for
nearly a year with very little changes other than discoloration.
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On 4/11/14, 10:11 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/11/2014 9:55 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
You shouldn't put tile down over any wood product. Period.

Amen ...

That's what cement board is for. I use Schluter-DITRA between
sub-floor and tile and will never use cement board again.

Great product, not always handy when "we need two more rolls" is
heard, a bit pricy for some budgets, but worth it when buildup of
layers between floors is an issue.


I think we've had this discussion before, but around here the big-boxers
are carrying it now, with better prices and availability.


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On 4/11/2014 11:14 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/11/2014 10:00 PM, woodchucker wrote:
Again, the idiots that built my house thought it was a good subfloor. Go
figure. Did the OSB manufacturers back then advertise it as such?

And still do. Builder's use it for one main reason ... it's cheaper than
alternative products.

Yes, but they put it under slate in the entry way. So it's all cracking.
I already partially repaired it once b4, it's still continuing, so at
some time I will lift and replace the whole area and figure what we'll
put down after. If tile or stone I'll use cement board.. but I am about
to do my kitchen floor, removing the subfloor and putting cement board
down there.

The wife does not want to upgrade the kitchen, only the floor, which I
think is a mistake... might as well do it all, but SWMBO rules... a
happy wife.....

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"woodchucker" wrote

Again, the idiots that built my house thought it was a good subfloor. Go
figure. Did the OSB manufacturers back then advertise it as such?

Let me guess. A laver of 1/2" OSB applied to the joists or trusses, then 5
/8" MDF underlayment (sawdust board)?

That was a popular cheap way to do it back then. I never liked it, and
never did it that way.
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On 4/11/14, 10:18 PM, Morgans wrote:


"-MIKE-" wrote

That's what I figured. I remember working with the stuff in the late
80s and early 90s and it was pretty nasty. The OSB that's out now is
much different. It's still OSB, so it is what it is. But I've found it
to be much improved over the stuff from 25 years ago.

If you ever run across Advantech or Norbord Truflor, check them out.
They are very advanced OSB subflooring sheets and are great to work with
and strong as an ox. Also, they are very water resistant.

If you were to in any way compare OSB and Advantec (engineered subfloor
composite board) I would argue most strenuously. They are not the same
product. Not even close. In the first place, OSB is made cheaply to
cover large areas economically, where strength is not key. The
engineered subfloor is very strong, and used because it does not suffer
from delaminating and voids as modern plywood seems to suffer. It is
also quite expensive, in comparison to OSB.

Advantec is still not to be used under tile because no wood is rated for
direct contact with masonry unless is is treated, and Advantec is not.
Wood also does not have the same coefficients of expansion as tile, and
therefore is not a good choice of material for bonding to masonry.
Advantec, however, shows very little signs of swelling or coming apart
in flakes when exposed to the weather, even for long periods of time. I
have seen it weather for nearly a year with very little changes other
than discoloration.

As I mentioned to Karl, they are all Oriented Strand Board.
As he said, a Maserati is an automobile, too. So it a Buick. :-)


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