[John]

Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit grainy.

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to change
and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

Incidentally - how come builders never seem to be able to plan to but the
outside gully trap directly below where the sink waste emerges -
necessitating a pipe at an angle? Apathy??

[harry]

On 15 Oct, 16:58, "John" wrote:
Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit grainy.

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to change
and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

Incidentally - how come builders never seem to be able to plan to but the
outside gully trap directly below where the sink waste emerges -
necessitating a pipe at an angle? Apathy??

Never seen it in brown either.

[David Hansen]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:58:00 +0100 someone who may be "John"
wrote this:-

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit grainy.

I have only seen brown in rainwater goods, or underground pipes.
However, you can paint pipes any colour you feel like, though this
adds some more maintenance.



--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
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[Bob Minchin[_4_]]

John wrote:
Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit grainy.

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to change
and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

Incidentally - how come builders never seem to be able to plan to but the
outside gully trap directly below where the sink waste emerges -
necessitating a pipe at an angle? Apathy??


Bartol used to make push fit waste in a pseudo copper colour that is
pretty close to brown. Dunno if it still available.

Bob

[John Whitworth[_3_]]

"John" wrote in message
...
Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit grainy.

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to
change and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

Incidentally - how come builders never seem to be able to plan to but the
outside gully trap directly below where the sink waste emerges -
necessitating a pipe at an angle? Apathy??
Maybe to stop smells drifting directly upwards into your waste pipes?

[Alan Braggins]

In article , John wrote:
Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit grainy.

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to change
and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

You can get 40mm in brown, but I don't know about 38mm
http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=4...own+waste+pipe

[1501]

On 15 Oct, 16:58, "John" wrote:

Incidentally - how come builders never seem to be able to plan to but the
outside gully trap directly below where the sink waste emerges -
necessitating a pipe at an angle? Apathy??

They don't care too much for apathy.

[Alan[_10_]]

In message , John
wrote
Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to change
and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

Car paint spray? - in multiple light coats.

--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

[John]

"Alan" wrote in message
...
In message , John
wrote
Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to
change
and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

Car paint spray? - in multiple light coats.

--
Alan
news2009 {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk



I bought a white elbow and fitted it inside - this allowed me to put the one
from inside on the outside. The ones with a screw ring seem to accommodate
38 - 40 mm.

[Andrew Gabriel]

In article ,
David Hansen writes:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:58:00 +0100 someone who may be "John"
wrote this:-

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit grainy.

I have only seen brown in rainwater goods, or underground pipes.
However, you can paint pipes any colour you feel like, though this
adds some more maintenance.

If you can find it, use the old style solvent based gloss paint, top
coat only. The solvent dissolves into the surface of the plastic, and
there's no way it will ever come off. I also discovered the paint acts
like solvent weld if you push some just-painted fittings together,
except the weld was instant with no chance to reposition the parts.

I don't think brown pipework is UV proof, so you'd need to paint it
anyway, in which case it doesn't matter what colour you start with.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

[Alan Braggins]

In article , Andrew Gabriel wrote:
I don't think brown pipework is UV proof, so you'd need to paint it
anyway, in which case it doesn't matter what colour you start with.

There's plenty of unpainted brown guttering and downpipes about.

[John]

"Andrew Gabriel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David Hansen writes:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 16:58:00 +0100 someone who may be "John"
wrote this:-

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit grainy.

I have only seen brown in rainwater goods, or underground pipes.
However, you can paint pipes any colour you feel like, though this
adds some more maintenance.

If you can find it, use the old style solvent based gloss paint, top
coat only. The solvent dissolves into the surface of the plastic, and
there's no way it will ever come off. I also discovered the paint acts
like solvent weld if you push some just-painted fittings together,
except the weld was instant with no chance to reposition the parts.

I don't think brown pipework is UV proof, so you'd need to paint it
anyway, in which case it doesn't matter what colour you start with.

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]


I'm sure that UV is the problem - but the house was built in 1988 and it
gets the sun on the pipe for most of the day. Can't complain. Just wish the
replacements were readily available.

[cj]

Hi
Reminds me of the 'Bardsley' boxes a well known NW builder used 38mm waste
in a chocolate brown .It was custom made for them deliberately (i am told)
to stop other plumbers doing repairs or nickin' it from site.
Believe Barrets also took up the idea.
I know it doesn't help much but as already posted a 40mm compression fitting
does seal onto it ,trouble is I have only seen white grey & black.
BTB if you are in NW I think Bardsleys still carry the stock .

CJ

[Frank Erskine]

On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 22:50:29 +0100, "cj" wrote:

Hi
Reminds me of the 'Bardsley' boxes a well known NW builder used 38mm waste
in a chocolate brown .It was custom made for them deliberately (i am told)
to stop other plumbers doing repairs or nickin' it from site.

"Bardsley" boxes reminds _me_ of "Bardic" boxes which were a cast
aluminium/alloy cavity wall box designed to fit flush into the outer
leaf of a cavity wall.
They are (were?) widely used in the telephony/CATV field to house
interfaces (blocks terminal or CATV taps (or even UHF distribution
amplifiers!)) between external PE cable and internal PVC/LSOH cables.

Typically they were about a brick and a half in length and 3 bricks
high. The gubbins were simply stuffed (carefully!) into the
box/cavity.
I'm sure that nowadays they'll be totally banned (by the EU) on
account of the heat loss in that bit of cavity wall...

--
Frank Erskine

[F Murtz[_2_]]

harry wrote:
On 15 Oct, 16:58, wrote:
Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit grainy.

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to change
and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

Incidentally - how come builders never seem to be able to plan to but the
outside gully trap directly below where the sink waste emerges -
necessitating a pipe at an angle? Apathy??

Because they probably have no idea of the sink type at the time of design?


Never seen it in brown either.

[harry]

On 15 Oct, 16:58, "John" wrote:
Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit grainy.

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to change
and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

Incidentally - how come builders never seem to be able to plan to but the
outside gully trap directly below where the sink waste emerges -
necessitating a pipe at an angle? Apathy??

You generally find that with push fit, the pipes and fittings are non-
interchangable between manufacturers. The only other thing you can
use is the compression type which fits everything.

[Jim K[_3_]]

On 16 Oct, 08:30, harry wrote:
On 15 Oct, 16:58, "John" wrote:

Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit grainy.

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to change
and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

Incidentally - how come builders never seem to be able to plan to but the
outside gully trap directly below where the sink waste emerges -
necessitating a pipe at an angle? Apathy??

You generally find that with push fit, the pipes and fittings are non-
interchangable between manufacturers. The only other thing you can
use is the compression type which fits everything.

er...no... these days all majors make pipe to BStandards

e.g. Wickes leaflet on cover page - compatibility table:-

http://www.wickes.co.uk/content/ebiz...ges/gil/73.pdf

Jim K

[Newshound]

"Jim K" wrote in message
...
On 16 Oct, 08:30, harry wrote:
On 15 Oct, 16:58, "John" wrote:

Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit
grainy.

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to
change
and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

Incidentally - how come builders never seem to be able to plan to but
the
outside gully trap directly below where the sink waste emerges -
necessitating a pipe at an angle? Apathy??

You generally find that with push fit, the pipes and fittings are non-
interchangable between manufacturers. The only other thing you can
use is the compression type which fits everything.

er...no... these days all majors make pipe to BStandards

e.g. Wickes leaflet on cover page - compatibility table:-

http://www.wickes.co.uk/content/ebiz...ges/gil/73.pdf

Jim K

But the original brown Bartol was back in the old days.....I remember them
well....

[Jim K[_3_]]

On 16 Oct, 16:51, "newshound" wrote:
"Jim K" wrote in message

...



On 16 Oct, 08:30, harry wrote:
On 15 Oct, 16:58, "John" wrote:

Do I stand any chance of getting some 1.5 inch (38mm) waste pipe and
fittings in brown?

An elbow has rotted in the sun and the pipe is also looking a bit
grainy.

I can only find 40mm in white, grey or black. I don't really want to
change
and have to make my inside fittings adapt.

Incidentally - how come builders never seem to be able to plan to but
the
outside gully trap directly below where the sink waste emerges -
necessitating a pipe at an angle? Apathy??

You generally find that with push fit, the pipes and fittings are non-
interchangable between manufacturers. The only other thing you can
use is the compression type which fits everything.

er...no... these days all majors make pipe to BStandards

e.g. Wickes leaflet on cover page - compatibility table:-

http://www.wickes.co.uk/content/ebiz...ges/gil/73.pdf

Jim K

But the original brown Bartol was back in the old days.....I remember them
well....

er....??
(then Harry's "general" comments specifically do not apply to the odd
historic "anomaly" then, just all the rest...;)

Jim K

[Andy Wade]

On 15/10/2010 19:39, Andrew Gabriel wrote:

I don't think brown pipework is UV proof, so you'd need to paint it
anyway, [...]

AIUI, polypropylene (PP) pipe is not UV stable and must be painted.

OTOH, uPVC and ABS wastes have good UV resistance and don't have to be
painted, although they usually look better if they are. ABS
solvent-weld seems to be the most commonly used type of waste now.

--
Andy