Looking for a new ChopSaw without any side to side slop. Any recommendations?

Tim wrote:

Looking for a new ChopSaw without any side to side slop. Any recommendations?

Been pleased w/ the DeWalt 12". I think any of the quality ones are ok.

Don't have any personal recommendations if looking for sliding type...

I replaced my Delta CMS with a Bosch Sliding Compound Miter saw. If
you can afford it, get the Bosch SCMS.
Dick "lost all faith in Delta products" Durbin

Bosch or Hitach are pretty much the standards from what I've seen.

Thanks

IMO, a CMS is less sloppy than SCMS; less moving parts.

Among the brands, hmmm.. good Q.

I kinda liked the newest Delta 12" dual bevel, but when I bought the
Dewalt for $209 I had to make the leap.

A lot of folks like the Dewalt, but at least to me the fence and table
do not meet at exactly 90 degrees. How that plays out in time, I'll
guess I'll find out.



On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:31:38 -0600, Tim
wrote:

Looking for a new ChopSaw without any side to side slop. Any recommendations?

wrote:

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A lot of folks like the Dewalt, but at least to me the fence and table
do not meet at exactly 90 degrees. ...

I've done a lot of mitered moulding, quite a bit of large sizes and
have never had a problem w/ mine...it's roughly 10 years of age by
now...

Olebiker wrote:

I replaced my Delta CMS with a Bosch Sliding Compound Miter saw. If
you can afford it, get the Bosch SCMS.
Dick "lost all faith in Delta products" Durbin

At the risk of starting a long digression, what caused yo to lose your
faith. Mine is troubled.

The Delta CMS I had came with a blade that was a throwaway, it was
incredibly noisy, and took constant maintenance to keep it so that you
could rotate the bed.

My perception of Delta products except the Unisaw is that the company
is relying on its reputation to sell products that are of less quality
than those available from other manufacturers. Frankly, I am finding
better quality in Ryobi products than in Delta these days. YMMV
Dick Durbin

Olebiker wrote:

The Delta CMS I had came with a blade that was a throwaway, it was
incredibly noisy, and took constant maintenance to keep it so that you
could rotate the bed.

My perception of Delta products except the Unisaw is that the company
is relying on its reputation to sell products that are of less quality
than those available from other manufacturers. Frankly, I am finding
better quality in Ryobi products than in Delta these days. YMMV
Dick Durbin

Depends on which precisely which Delta product, of course...

Delta has definitely gone the route of introducing many products
specifically to compete w/ low-priced lines of other vendors...a premium
based on brand is a benefit of having a brand name. Unfortunately, it's
like a personal reputation--easier to tarnish than rebuild.

Yeah, all the user based positive feedback is what sealed the deal
(along with the 209 pricetag ;-) ) for the Dewalt. I was looking at
double or more for the Delta or Bosch. Bosch has less cutting
capacity, and I kinda/sortta wanted the dual bevel. The $209 unit was
a refurb (looked like new) at a WW show where they were selling them
for $229. I bought the show display for the $209.

The fence alignment still bugs me, and when tightening the miter lock
knob, the rotation base part lifts slightly. Apparently, those in
accuracies are not great enough to have a noticeable impact. I won't
know that until I go to fit some tight 45s or crown I suppose.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:09:27 -0600, Duane Bozarth
wrote:

wrote:

...
A lot of folks like the Dewalt, but at least to me the fence and table
do not meet at exactly 90 degrees. ...

I've done a lot of mitered moulding, quite a bit of large sizes and
have never had a problem w/ mine...it's roughly 10 years of age by
now...

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 00:02:42 -0700,
wrote:

Yeah, all the user based positive feedback is what sealed the deal
(along with the 209 pricetag ;-) ) for the Dewalt. I was looking at
double or more for the Delta or Bosch. Bosch has less cutting
capacity, and I kinda/sortta wanted the dual bevel. The $209 unit was
a refurb (looked like new) at a WW show where they were selling them
for $229. I bought the show display for the $209.

The fence alignment still bugs me, and when tightening the miter lock
knob, the rotation base part lifts slightly. Apparently, those in
accuracies are not great enough to have a noticeable impact. I won't
know that until I go to fit some tight 45s or crown I suppose.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 21:09:27 -0600, Duane Bozarth
wrote:

wrote:

...
A lot of folks like the Dewalt, but at least to me the fence and table
do not meet at exactly 90 degrees. ...

I've done a lot of mitered moulding, quite a bit of large sizes and
have never had a problem w/ mine...it's roughly 10 years of age by
now...

That's because no corner in a room is exactly 90 degrees. But,
seriously, my DeWalt is accurate enough for me. I avoided buying a
sliding miter saw, just because there's something else to be off
kilter.

Phisherman wrote:
....
That's because no corner in a room is exactly 90 degrees. But,
seriously, my DeWalt is accurate enough for me. I avoided buying a
sliding miter saw, just because there's something else to be off
kilter.

Not all of it (in fact quite a bit) is architectural...a fair amount
(and most of the really larger) is on pieces like secretaries and clock
pediments, etc. I tend to build them fairly close to square...but I'm
not always perfect...

wrote:
....
A lot of folks like the Dewalt, but at least to me the fence and table
do not meet at exactly 90 degrees. How that plays out in time, I'll
guess I'll find out.
....

OK, I was using it yesterday to cut bed mould on corner pieces for the
barn...2 1x4's joined at edge w/ 1/4-round, a 2-1/2" long square section
at the top for the mould to fit against w/ a 8" or so long piece of drip
edge on the top...looks pretty dressy and is duplicate of the original
detail.

Anyway, while cutting these I took the time to actually check the
fence/table...I couldn't get a 1/1000 feeler gauge behind the square
blade at the top of the fixed fence although there was a glimmer of
light...the adjustable side was a little over 1-thou...couldn't get the
0.002 gauge in w/o releasing some of the pressure on the square. That's
within the tolerances of any moulding I've ever seen..

Of course, this is a ten year old saw...while new ones appear to be make
the same way, I don't know if the finishing is still up to the same
standard (or whether I just happened to get one that turned out to be
dead-on).

The one thing I would like to see different is a way to close up the
fence gap more on the left side where the angle blade clearance relief
is...

that is better tolerance than my new.. ah.. refurb one

the fixed fence to table is 90 deg. or close enough -- probably
withing the .001

the sliding fence to table is not nearly that close -- i'll get out
the feeler, but there is a very visible light -- my guess is .010

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 11:47:12 -0600, Duane Bozarth
wrote:

wrote:
...
A lot of folks like the Dewalt, but at least to me the fence and table
do not meet at exactly 90 degrees. How that plays out in time, I'll
guess I'll find out.
...

OK, I was using it yesterday to cut bed mould on corner pieces for the
barn...2 1x4's joined at edge w/ 1/4-round, a 2-1/2" long square section
at the top for the mould to fit against w/ a 8" or so long piece of drip
edge on the top...looks pretty dressy and is duplicate of the original
detail.

Anyway, while cutting these I took the time to actually check the
fence/table...I couldn't get a 1/1000 feeler gauge behind the square
blade at the top of the fixed fence although there was a glimmer of
light...the adjustable side was a little over 1-thou...couldn't get the
0.002 gauge in w/o releasing some of the pressure on the square. That's
within the tolerances of any moulding I've ever seen..

Of course, this is a ten year old saw...while new ones appear to be make
the same way, I don't know if the finishing is still up to the same
standard (or whether I just happened to get one that turned out to be
dead-on).

The one thing I would like to see different is a way to close up the
fence gap more on the left side where the angle blade clearance relief
is...