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Philisophical Woodworking Question
This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought
about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. Now, I am not religious, I consider myself spiritual now, rather than Christian, altho originally raised Christian. Still believe in God too, just probably a bit different perspective than most people. High Priest for the Woodworking Gods. That said, the question: What does a Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, or whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? If he was raised in the U.S., I figure he's probably gonna put "Jesus Christ" in there somewhere. Far as that goes, what would an Amish woodworker say? I don't care how religious you are, there aren't too many peope who aren't going to say something. Now me, I know for a fact that sooner or later the words Jesus Christ would probably fit in there somewhere. Probably proceeded by sonovabitch, and several other choice words. And, I'm convinced there is no athiest or agnotic in existance that's just going to say "Oh my, I have gone and hit my thumb". They'll be instant converts to religion, and calling on God and Jesus. The more I think about it, the more curious I get. JOAT Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind dont matter, and those who matter dont mind. - Dr Seuss |
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"J T" wrote in message ... This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. Now, I am not religious, I consider myself spiritual now, rather than Christian, altho originally raised Christian. Still believe in God too, just probably a bit different perspective than most people. High Priest for the Woodworking Gods. That said, the question: What does a Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, or whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? If he was raised in the U.S., I figure he's probably gonna put "Jesus Christ" in there somewhere. Far as that goes, what would an Amish woodworker say? I don't care how religious you are, there aren't too many peope who aren't going to say something. Now me, I know for a fact that sooner or later the words Jesus Christ would probably fit in there somewhere. Probably proceeded by sonovabitch, and several other choice words. And, I'm convinced there is no athiest or agnotic in existance that's just going to say "Oh my, I have gone and hit my thumb". They'll be instant converts to religion, and calling on God and Jesus. The more I think about it, the more curious I get. Speaking for myself (agnostic), it goes something like this: SMASH!!!!! .. this is going to hurt ... a bunch .... right about.... ..... OWW!! fargingsunuvabitchinwhore! UUNNGGG!!! GODDAMMIT!!! I then spend some "quiet time" searching for the hammer. I think it's more a point of the expressions you mentioned becoming a part of the lexicon, rather than anything with religious connotations. I can, however, only imaging the restraint a devoutly religious person must use in order not to blaspheme in one of these moments. On the other hand, one could also scream "F*** YOU!" at one's hammer, without having any intention of fornicating with it. Buddhadamnit!? |
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Now, I am not religious, I consider myself spiritual now, rather
than Christian, altho originally raised Christian. Still believe in God too Hmmm. me too. whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? When that depends on how hard I have hit my thumb. Having put up a couple thousand linear feet of wood siding 2 summers ago, I can speak from personal experience. I know that when I have really injured myself there is just a sucking in of air as tears well up in my eyes. For lesser blows, "*******!" is a personal favorite followed by colorful but not expecially creative explatives. -Steve |
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On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:01:45 -0500, J T wrote:
This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. And, I'm convinced there is no athiest or agnotic in existance that's just going to say "Oh my, I have gone and hit my thumb". They'll be instant converts to religion, and calling on God and Jesus. When I shot a 3" long framing nail into my left index finger (lengthwise) while building my house, it was "ouch. Son of a bitch. (pause) (look) Son of a BITCH!". The X-ray is impressive. |
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J T wrote:
That said, the question: What does a Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, or whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? If he was raised in the U.S., I figure he's probably gonna put "Jesus Christ" in there somewhere. Well, my German friend says "****" in those circumstances. "Sheise" just doesn't do it. I think it's the hard consonants. Consider the following candidates: Sex!, Copulate!, Coitus!, ****! See, it's those hard consonants. ****! is much more satisfying. Nonetheless, the word doesn't matter _that_ much. My father-in-law, a very devout Roman Catholic, makes up his own swear words. For some reason they involve the Demgee brothers. Take any word, say it the right way, and it becomes an expletive. That's why banning naughty words doesn't do a damn thing. -Peter |
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That's one xray I'd love to see. Your story reminds me of the guy who took
an 18" auger bit straight thru the skull. For those who haven't seen it.... http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/0902..._survivor.html Wonder what _he_ said? Joe C. "Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 14:01:45 -0500, J T wrote: This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. And, I'm convinced there is no athiest or agnotic in existance that's just going to say "Oh my, I have gone and hit my thumb". They'll be instant converts to religion, and calling on God and Jesus. When I shot a 3" long framing nail into my left index finger (lengthwise) while building my house, it was "ouch. Son of a bitch. (pause) (look) Son of a BITCH!". The X-ray is impressive. |
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"J T" wrote in message
... This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. Now, I am not religious, I consider myself spiritual now, rather than Christian, altho originally raised Christian. Still believe in God too, just probably a bit different perspective than most people. High Priest for the Woodworking Gods. That said, the question: What does a Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, or whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? If he was raised in the U.S., I figure he's probably gonna put "Jesus Christ" in there somewhere. Far as that goes, what would an Amish woodworker say? I don't care how religious you are, there aren't too many peope who aren't going to say something. Now me, I know for a fact that sooner or later the words Jesus Christ would probably fit in there somewhere. Probably proceeded by sonovabitch, and several other choice words. And, I'm convinced there is no athiest or agnotic in existance that's just going to say "Oh my, I have gone and hit my thumb". They'll be instant converts to religion, and calling on God and Jesus. "whimper whimper... Mommmmmmyyyyyy!" -j |
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J T wrote:
This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. [snip] "Oh dear, I sincerely wish that I had not done that. Oh my, that is very painful. I must learn something from that." mahalo, jo4hn |
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jo4hn wrote:
J T wrote: This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. [snip] "Oh dear, I sincerely wish that I had not done that. Oh my, that is very painful. I must learn something from that." mahalo, jo4hn Or something akin to "**** me. damn. damn. damn. Dumb****." Whilst the dancing goes on. j4 |
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I used to work with a Hindian who was a Jain (a Hindu sect).
His universal expletive was "****!!" said with a short barking sound. Art "J T" wrote in message ... This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. Now, I am not religious, I consider myself spiritual now, rather than Christian, altho originally raised Christian. Still believe in God too, just probably a bit different perspective than most people. High Priest for the Woodworking Gods. That said, the question: What does a Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, or whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? If he was raised in the U.S., I figure he's probably gonna put "Jesus Christ" in there somewhere. Far as that goes, what would an Amish woodworker say? I don't care how religious you are, there aren't too many peope who aren't going to say something. Now me, I know for a fact that sooner or later the words Jesus Christ would probably fit in there somewhere. Probably proceeded by sonovabitch, and several other choice words. And, I'm convinced there is no athiest or agnotic in existance that's just going to say "Oh my, I have gone and hit my thumb". They'll be instant converts to religion, and calling on God and Jesus. The more I think about it, the more curious I get. JOAT Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind dont matter, and those who matter dont mind. - Dr Seuss |
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That said, the question: What does a Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, or
whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? The normal Roman Catholic response at my house is !@#)(&^+!!!!!!!!!! Get me a %^$*&}@ Beer! |
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"Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... (snip ) The X-ray is impressive. Post pics in ABPW!! Mekon |
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"J T" wrote in message ... (SNIP) And, I'm convinced there is no athiest or agnotic in existance that's just going to say "Oh my, I have gone and hit my thumb". They'll be instant converts to religion, and calling on God and Jesus. The more I think about it, the more curious I get. I have been atheist since I was 18 and I usually say "Arghhh ...for ****'s sake!!" Then I try an instant tourniquet with my other hand, all the while knowing that it will hurt more when I let it go and knowing that I HAVE to let it go sometime. Much anguish a few more expletives and then more pain. Mekon |
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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 21:10:55 GMT, Mekon wrote:
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... (snip ) The X-ray is impressive. Post pics in ABPW!! Gotta find the film & scan it. I'll put it on a webpage and put a pointer here when I do. Dave |
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Funny that all the responses assume that the cause for cursing is physical
injury. My most colorful and eloquent expletives come out as a result of screwing up that piece I've been working so hard on for so long. That's when I'm glad there's a heavy-bag hanging in my workshop. Dan "god ****ing damn it" Grieves "J T" wrote in message ... This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. Now, I am not religious, I consider myself spiritual now, rather than Christian, altho originally raised Christian. Still believe in God too, just probably a bit different perspective than most people. High Priest for the Woodworking Gods. That said, the question: What does a Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, or whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? If he was raised in the U.S., I figure he's probably gonna put "Jesus Christ" in there somewhere. Far as that goes, what would an Amish woodworker say? I don't care how religious you are, there aren't too many peope who aren't going to say something. Now me, I know for a fact that sooner or later the words Jesus Christ would probably fit in there somewhere. Probably proceeded by sonovabitch, and several other choice words. And, I'm convinced there is no athiest or agnotic in existance that's just going to say "Oh my, I have gone and hit my thumb". They'll be instant converts to religion, and calling on God and Jesus. The more I think about it, the more curious I get. JOAT Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind dont matter, and those who matter dont mind. - Dr Seuss |
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jo4hn bull****s:
J T wrote: This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. [snip] "Oh dear, I sincerely wish that I had not done that. Oh my, that is very painful. I must learn something from that." As much as I hate to admit it, I sound exactly like a very loud, very repetitive (there's another kind?) rap CD. Charlie Self "Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy." Edgar Bergen, (Charlie McCarthy) |
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Indeed. The first words are typically some religious reference which,
as you point out, is odd since I am not religious at all. Followed by a steady stream of expletives related to my meager intelligence and family heritage. The word stream is pretty much the same in all cases, the only variations are in volume and duration based on pain level (pain as is physical pain or pain as in how much work it is going to take to fix the problem). TWS |
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J T wrote: [[.. munch ..]] That said, the question: What does a Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, or whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? If he was raised in the U.S., I figure he's probably gonna put "Jesus Christ" in there somewhere. Far as that goes, what would an Amish woodworker say? I don't care how religious you are, there aren't too many peope who aren't going to say something. [[.. munch ..]] The more I think about it, the more curious I get. OK, so you need some education _about_ the fine art of swearing. grin 'Expletives' break down in to several basic categories. "Profanities" Taking the name of _thy_ god(s), and associated figures, in vain, etc. "Obscenities" e.g. 'the seven words you can't say on TV' "Vulgarities" "neither of the above". "Euphemisms" "heck", "Gosh darn it", "drat", 'dag nab it', etc. A truly devout person will scrupulously avoid profanities. Although they may *frequently* use language in the other two classes. Note: something like 'Hell and D*mnation!' is _not_ profanity. Merely a vulgarity. "G*d d*mn it", on the other hand _is_ profanity. It _is_ rather surprising how much 'hurt' you can ventilate using nothing more than vulgarities. *Particularly* if you _don't_ use them much in every-day conversation. Euphemisms are totally unsuited for expressing any _intense_ emotion. Their purpose for existence is to provide a 'toned down' (and thus more 'socially acceptable') version of the form they substitute for. The 'force' of _any_ expletive is a function of the class (from profanity down to euphemism), *and* the 'rarity of use'. The less often you use _any_ expletive, the more release you will get when you _do_ use it. Swearing/cursing _is_ an art-form. *almost* a 'lost art' these days -- as far as _quality_ goes. An analysis I read, back in the early 70's, discussed various life-styles and the skill-set in this regard. One that stuck in my memory: "Marines, especially sargents, practice it extensively. Unfortunately, using a very limited vocabulary, mostly concerned with bodily functions." |
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"J T" wrote in message ... High Priest for the Woodworking Gods. When I injure myself, I say one of two things: If it was a power tool, I say "Norm damn it!" If is a neander tool, I say "Roy damn it!" Frank |
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"Ouch!" I will often use other words if I've been drinking and not
around women or children, but it's my personal rule that I'm not in the shop if I've been drinking. |
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J T wrote:
The more I think about it, the more curious I get. ["Curiouser and curiouser..."] Of the the principals of the belief systems you listed, I think only Jesus was a woodworker. Do you suppose he ever hit his thumb with a hammer? And if so, what would he have said? -- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html |
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"Robert Bonomi" wrote in message ervers.com... byte OK, so you need some education _about_ the fine art of swearing. grin 'Expletives' break down in to several basic categories. "Profanities" Taking the name of _thy_ god(s), and associated figures, in vain, etc. "Obscenities" e.g. 'the seven words you can't say on TV' "Vulgarities" "neither of the above". "Euphemisms" "heck", "Gosh darn it", "drat", 'dag nab it', etc. A truly devout person will scrupulously avoid profanities. Although they may *frequently* use language in the other two classes. Note: something like 'Hell and D*mnation!' is _not_ profanity. Merely a vulgarity. "G*d d*mn it", on the other hand _is_ profanity. It _is_ rather surprising how much 'hurt' you can ventilate using nothing more than vulgarities. *Particularly* if you _don't_ use them much in every-day conversation. Euphemisms are totally unsuited for expressing any _intense_ emotion. Their purpose for existence is to provide a 'toned down' (and thus more 'socially acceptable') version of the form they substitute for. The 'force' of _any_ expletive is a function of the class (from profanity down to euphemism), *and* the 'rarity of use'. The less often you use _any_ expletive, the more release you will get when you _do_ use it. Swearing/cursing _is_ an art-form. *almost* a 'lost art' these days -- as far as _quality_ goes. An analysis I read, back in the early 70's, discussed various life-styles and the skill-set in this regard. One that stuck in my memory: "Marines, especially sargents, practice it extensively. Unfortunately, using a very limited vocabulary, mostly concerned with bodily functions." Or to misquote(probably) someone . . "Darn is for people who (don't?) believe in Heck".(Or something like that). -- Nahmie The law of intelligent tinkering: save all the parts. |
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On Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:18:00 -0600, Morris Dovey
wrote: J T wrote: The more I think about it, the more curious I get. ["Curiouser and curiouser..."] Of the the principals of the belief systems you listed, I think only Jesus was a woodworker. Do you suppose he ever hit his thumb with a hammer? And if so, what would he have said? Why I believe he would have said "Joseph Christ!" Allyn |
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"Joe C." wrote in message . com... That's one xray I'd love to see. Your story reminds me of the guy who took an 18" auger bit straight thru the skull. For those who haven't seen it.... http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/0902..._survivor.html Wonder what _he_ said? Joe C. Had to have been "Holy ****!!" Wayne |
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"J T" wrote in message ... This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. Now, I am not religious, I consider myself spiritual now, rather than Christian, altho originally raised Christian. Still believe in God too, just probably a bit different perspective than most people. High Priest for the Woodworking Gods. That said, the question: What does a Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, or whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? If he was raised in the U.S., I figure he's probably gonna put "Jesus Christ" in there somewhere. Far as that goes, what would an Amish woodworker say? I don't care how religious you are, there aren't too many peope who aren't going to say something. Now me, I know for a fact that sooner or later the words Jesus Christ would probably fit in there somewhere. Probably proceeded by sonovabitch, and several other choice words. And, I'm convinced there is no athiest or agnotic in existance that's just going to say "Oh my, I have gone and hit my thumb". They'll be instant converts to religion, and calling on God and Jesus. The more I think about it, the more curious I get. JOAT Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind dont matter, and those who matter dont mind. - Dr Seuss For me (now that I got my monitor and keyboard cleaned up again), it depends on who is in the shop with me. If my wife is out there supervising, I try to be a little more respectful of her. I usually just grit my teeth and it's an "mmm mmm MMMMM mmmmm" etc. She usually gets the message and leaves before my head explodes from my not being able to properly release. If I'm there by myself, well hell there's no point in making a scene because no one is there to appreciate it. Then I usually use the opportunity to study a little human anatomy and/or increase my supply of locally produced Bloodwood. Wayne |
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My Fav has to be
"YOU ****IN HOARE" as loud as I can. the guys in the shop pretty well know it as my sig line by now and all LOL every time. Chris Melanson BLH Millwork |
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All I could think of was that little martian guy from the lonney toons
cartoons saying that now I have to clean the monitor again LOL Chris Melanson BLH Millwork "jo4hn" wrote in message . net... J T wrote: This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. [snip] "Oh dear, I sincerely wish that I had not done that. Oh my, that is very painful. I must learn something from that." mahalo, jo4hn |
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"Joe C." wrote in message .com...
That's one xray I'd love to see. Your story reminds me of the guy who took an 18" auger bit straight thru the skull. For those who haven't seen it.... http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/news/0902..._survivor.html Wonder what _he_ said? Joe C. That gave me the willies! Dan |
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"J T" wrote in message ... That said, the question: What does a Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, or whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? If he was raised in the U.S., I figure he's probably gonna put "Jesus Christ" in there somewhere. Far as that goes, what would an Amish woodworker say? I don't care how religious you are, there aren't too many peope who aren't going to say something. Better yet, shove a 2 inch long x 3/16 inch sliver into to palm of your hand. Done in such a way that it is pretty much parrallel to the skin. It went into the pad of skin at the base of one finger, out of the skin, back in to the pad of my finger, then out again! First feeling was the pain, then the realization that it had to come out again! I sat down and looked the situation over for a minute, considered cutting it out, but decided that would cause more damage. I took out my Leatherman, grabbed the sliver, and pulled it through the rest of the way in one quick jerk! Of course there was much swearing after the sliver went in, and many times more after pulling it out! nothing better than good pure pain! Greg |
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"Frank Ketchum" wrote in message link.net...
"J T" wrote in message ... High Priest for the Woodworking Gods. When I injure myself, I say one of two things: If it was a power tool, I say "Norm damn it!" If is a neander tool, I say "Roy damn it!" Frank LOL Da(m)n |
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When I shot a 3" long framing nail into my left index finger (lengthwise) while building my house How?? I just got a framing nailer, and would like to avoid this. |
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This is like athiests who are about to get their rocks off. Who do they
call to at 'that moment'? J T wrote: This is not my fault. This morning I was thinking, and I thought about the recent thread on Pondering in the Workshop. Now, I am not religious, I consider myself spiritual now, rather than Christian, altho originally raised Christian. Still believe in God too, just probably a bit different perspective than most people. High Priest for the Woodworking Gods. That said, the question: What does a Jewish, Moslem, Buddhist, or whatever, woodworker say when he hits his thumb with a hammer? If he was raised in the U.S., I figure he's probably gonna put "Jesus Christ" in there somewhere. Far as that goes, what would an Amish woodworker say? I don't care how religious you are, there aren't too many peope who aren't going to say something. Now me, I know for a fact that sooner or later the words Jesus Christ would probably fit in there somewhere. Probably proceeded by sonovabitch, and several other choice words. And, I'm convinced there is no athiest or agnotic in existance that's just going to say "Oh my, I have gone and hit my thumb". They'll be instant converts to religion, and calling on God and Jesus. The more I think about it, the more curious I get. JOAT Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind dont matter, and those who matter dont mind. - Dr Seuss |
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Phisherman wrote:
around women or children, but it's my personal rule that I'm not in the shop if I've been drinking. Amen. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ |
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OTOH, if I'm hurt badly enough to go to the hospital, usually I just turn real quiet, get pale, and politely ask someone to give me a lift. Odd how the little stuff that doesn't matter much seems to **** a guy off so much more than the stuff that is actually a big deal! Yeah, that is funny, now that you mention it. A whack with a hammer or something leads to all kinds of expletives. Screwing up a piece by making two left sides or glueing the leg bone before the thigh bone and having to knock it apart usually brings up a chorus of my favorite "**** damn **** snot, twenty-nine assholes tied in a knot." Yet the times when I get *really* hurt, and I'm losing blood at a pretty significant rate, I just kind of quietly make my way to the bathroom to take care of it without saying anything in particular. I feel embarrassed when that happens, I think. Whacking yourself with a hammer is something you can laugh about, but I think anytime the bandaid is not optional, it's shame time for me. I feel really stupid when I *have* to go doctor myself up, instead of just laughing about a little bloodwood as I dribble from some piffling cut. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ |
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"Silvan" wrote in message
OTOH, if I'm hurt badly enough to go to the hospital, usually I just turn real quiet, get pale, and politely ask someone to give me a lift. Odd how the little stuff that doesn't matter much seems to **** a guy off so much more than the stuff that is actually a big deal! I'm the same way. A number of years ago when I broke both legs and as I was sitting in the hospital waiting for a room, a number of nurses came up to me commenting that I was white as a sheet. I had to actually talk a doctor out of trying to run some tests for anaemia. And it was a waste of time cursing or swearing because it would only have amplified the pain I was in, so I just sat there and suffered in silence. What else can you do? |
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