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HF Dust collector??
Ok.. I've put my flame retardant suit on for this one..
I have a garage shop with 2 shop vacs and no real dust control other than an open garage door and a window fan.. Has anyone ever tried the 2 hp (sounds very low power) dust collector from Harbor Freight? I know it's not going to be a GOOD dust system, but going would going from no system to one of these do me any good? (their number on it is 45378) thanks, mac |
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Do a google search for previous posts.
There is also a good website discussing this dust collector: http://tinyurl.com/5scy6 http://www.cianperez.com/Wood/WoodDo...C%20Thread.htm I picked up one of these yesterday for $139 at the retail store ($159, price match the website $149, $10 off coupon). I haven't unpacked it yet so I can't say if it's any good. -- Patrick Fitzgerald, barelyfitz.com/wood |
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"mac davis" wrote in message ... Ok.. I've put my flame retardant suit on for this one.. I have a garage shop with 2 shop vacs and no real dust control other than an open garage door and a window fan.. Has anyone ever tried the 2 hp (sounds very low power) dust collector from Harbor Freight? I know it's not going to be a GOOD dust system, but going would going from no system to one of these do me any good? (their number on it is 45378) thanks, mac I have one, as do many others. for the $159 on sale price it is a good deal. Many people recommend better bags, but I have been satisfied with the stock ones. Check this link out! http://www.cianperez.com/Wood/WoodDo...C%20Thread.htm Greg |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 16:09:14 -0600, "Greg O"
wrote: "mac davis" wrote in message .. . Ok.. I've put my flame retardant suit on for this one.. I have a garage shop with 2 shop vacs and no real dust control other than an open garage door and a window fan.. Has anyone ever tried the 2 hp (sounds very low power) dust collector from Harbor Freight? I know it's not going to be a GOOD dust system, but going would going from no system to one of these do me any good? (their number on it is 45378) thanks, mac I have one, as do many others. for the $159 on sale price it is a good deal. Many people recommend better bags, but I have been satisfied with the stock ones. Check this link out! http://www.cianperez.com/Wood/WoodDo...C%20Thread.htm Greg Great link! thanks, Greg.. |
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I have been tempted several times. Up close it looks like a real decent
unit. "mac davis" wrote in message ... Ok.. I've put my flame retardant suit on for this one.. I have a garage shop with 2 shop vacs and no real dust control other than an open garage door and a window fan.. Has anyone ever tried the 2 hp (sounds very low power) dust collector from Harbor Freight? I know it's not going to be a GOOD dust system, but going would going from no system to one of these do me any good? (their number on it is 45378) thanks, mac |
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"mac davis" wrote in message ... Ok.. I've put my flame retardant suit on for this one.. I have a garage shop with 2 shop vacs and no real dust control other than an open garage door and a window fan.. Has anyone ever tried the 2 hp (sounds very low power) dust collector from Harbor Freight? I know it's not going to be a GOOD dust system, but going would going from no system to one of these do me any good? (their number on it is 45378) thanks, mac I've got one, and think it works great. Having said that it is the first one I've owned. I am in the process of hooking up some 4" pipe runs to my equipment. If you do a Google search there is also a modification to these that makes them work apparently a lot better. Cheers, Paul |
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mac davis wrote:
Has anyone ever tried the 2 hp (sounds very low power) dust collector from Harbor Freight? I know it's not going to be a GOOD dust system, but going would going from no system to one of these do me any good? At http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/dust_collection.html you can see how I've used the HF dust collector (in conjunction with two cyclone separators) to capture dust from a CNC router - which produces a /lot/ of dust! I've been happy with the entire system. -- Morris Dovey DeSoto, Iowa USA |
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On Sun 31 Oct 2004 02:19:11p, mac davis wrote in
: Ok.. I've put my flame retardant suit on for this one.. I have a garage shop with 2 shop vacs and no real dust control other than an open garage door and a window fan.. Has anyone ever tried the 2 hp (sounds very low power) dust collector from Harbor Freight? I know it's not going to be a GOOD dust system, but going would going from no system to one of these do me any good? I bought it last Christmastime for about $140. Sucks pretty good. :-) Like Greg, I plan to put a better bag on it someday, and set up a chip separator, but it suits my needs just fine right now. I ductaped a hood in the bottom of the tablesaw, set it up with a piece of flexible dryer conduit that sticks out of the saw at a convenient spot, and put a 20' flexible hose on the DC. It works just great. Easy to hook up, lots of suction. You can watch it suck the dust from the top of the saw. When I get the new bag, I might go whole hog and do that two-bag manifold upgrade. I didn't do as much woodworking this summer as I wanted. Bathroom remodel. But I did fill the bottom bag up. Once. I should note that the shop vac is still the best choice for the band saw and SCMS. When I drop the hose size to fit those outlets, suction drops so much that the shop vac's is better. I'm gonna cut a four-inch hole in the bandsaw one of these days. Dan |
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"Dan" wrote in message ... Like Greg, I plan to put a better bag on it someday, and set up a chip separator, but it suits my needs just fine right now. Wynn Environmental sells a large cartridge conversion kit (like used by Jet and Delta) that should turn the Harbor Freight into a much, much better collector in terms of containing the dust and drastically reducing the maintenance required. Its $118 at http://www.wynnenv.com/35A_series_cartridge_kit.htm Bob |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:03:10 -0600, Morris Dovey
wrote: mac davis wrote: Has anyone ever tried the 2 hp (sounds very low power) dust collector from Harbor Freight? I know it's not going to be a GOOD dust system, but going would going from no system to one of these do me any good? At http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/dust_collection.html you can see how I've used the HF dust collector (in conjunction with two cyclone separators) to capture dust from a CNC router - which produces a /lot/ of dust! I've been happy with the entire system. WOW! |
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mac davis wrote in message . ..
Ok.. I've put my flame retardant suit on for this one.. Has anyone ever tried the 2 hp (sounds very low power) dust collector from Harbor Freight? I know it's not going to be a GOOD dust system, but going would going from no system to one of these do me any good? I've got one and it's a great piece for the money. I put a Grizzly .3 micron bag on top, and a plastic bag on the bottom. I use a 30 gallon steel trash can and a Grizzly separator lid. I mounted the dust collector unit on a shelf with the separator can underneath the shelf, tucked the whole thing in the corner next to the garage door track, and it works wonderfully. A decent, small footprint, and - so far - reliable DC system for around $200 total. As for suction, I have no means of measuring it. Though the first time I turned it on... it threw a breaker... ok, so the SECOND time I turned it on, I put my hand in from of the intake to see how the suction was... Whoomp. Sucked my hand right in. I'm lucky I didn't get clipped by impeller blades. Which does bring up a topic: it throws a 15 amp breaker pretty regulary for me. I had to move it to a 20 amp circuit. |
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Tim Douglass wrote:
If the motor can be converted to 240 that is the way I would go. That's a good question. I downloaded the manual, and it doesn't say. Could someone who has one check it out? If the motor can be re-wired to 240v, I'll get one. |
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mac davis wrote in message . ..
On 1 Nov 2004 11:52:03 -0800, ) wrote: mac davis wrote in message . .. Ok.. I've put my flame retardant suit on for this one.. Has anyone ever tried the 2 hp (sounds very low power) dust collector from Harbor Freight? I know it's not going to be a GOOD dust system, but going would going from no system to one of these do me any good? I've got one and it's a great piece for the money. I put a Grizzly .3 micron bag on top, and a plastic bag on the bottom. I use a 30 gallon steel trash can and a Grizzly separator lid. I mounted the dust collector unit on a shelf with the separator can underneath the shelf, tucked the whole thing in the corner next to the garage door track, and it works wonderfully. A decent, small footprint, and - so far - reliable DC system for around $200 total. As for suction, I have no means of measuring it. Though the first time I turned it on... it threw a breaker... ok, so the SECOND time I turned it on, I put my hand in from of the intake to see how the suction was... Whoomp. Sucked my hand right in. I'm lucky I didn't get clipped by impeller blades. Which does bring up a topic: it throws a 15 amp breaker pretty regulary for me. I had to move it to a 20 amp circuit. Well, I have 40 amp circuits in the shop (the old 220v plug, converted to 2 110v circuits), so I don't think I'd have that problem... I'm pleasantly surprised at the many positive responses to this post, and have added the DC to my HF "wish list".. Thanks to all that have replied.... Just to add to the posts, my brother just received his a couple of days ago and he is quite pleased so far. Dave Hall |
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"Tim Douglass" wrote in message ... On 1 Nov 2004 11:52:03 -0800, ) wrote: Which does bring up a topic: it throws a 15 amp breaker pretty regulary for me. I had to move it to a 20 amp circuit. 2 HP should be about 16 amps IIRC. Probably pulls 18-20 on startup. If you have more than 50' of wire from the panel to the motor it pretty much guarantees that it will blow a 15A breaker. If the motor can be converted to 240 that is the way I would go. I run mine on 110 volt, 20 amp breaker, no trips, ever. Can't have anything else on the same breaker though! Greg |
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I bought on on Friday night last week for the internet price of
$149.99 at the local store. It is quite heavy, ended up sliding it onto my mechanics creeper to move it around in the box. Yesterday I ordered the Wynn cartridge conversion after reading Bill Pentz's site, I figured I would spend $40 getting new bags at least, and the filter kit with plastic catch bags and the cartridge was about $103.00. Being in the diesal truck industry, I appreciate how well those big canisters work. Wynn indicated I could just blow it out with compressed air from the outside in, so I expect the cartridge to last me a LONG time. I've got conflicting information on the size of the HF dust inlets. Wynn says if I take the Y off I get a single 5" line. I see JET has a 6" and 4" adapter available for their 2hp unit, and I suspect I could attach that to the harbor freight impeller section. Also considering moving the motor off the bottom of the cart onto a small chest of drawers and giving the motor to bags hose a straight shot. Perhaps reducing it from square to round right at the bags instead of right out of the impellar housing. Hope to get rid of ALL the dust in my garage shop. Trying to figure out how to move the jointer to be closer to the orientation of the hoses. don't want to have to step over them! Alan |
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Alan W wrote:
I bought on on Friday night last week for the internet price of $149.99 at the local store. It is quite heavy, ended up sliding it onto my mechanics creeper to move it around in the box. Yesterday I ordered the Wynn cartridge conversion after reading Bill Pentz's site, I figured I would spend $40 getting new bags at least, and the filter kit with plastic catch bags and the cartridge was about $103.00. Being in the diesal truck industry, I appreciate how well those big canisters work. Wynn indicated I could just blow it out with compressed air from the outside in, so I expect the cartridge to last me a LONG time. I've got conflicting information on the size of the HF dust inlets. Wynn says if I take the Y off I get a single 5" line. I see JET has a 6" and 4" adapter available for their 2hp unit, and I suspect I could attach that to the harbor freight impeller section. Also considering moving the motor off the bottom of the cart onto a small chest of drawers and giving the motor to bags hose a straight shot. Perhaps reducing it from square to round right at the bags instead of right out of the impellar housing. Hope to get rid of ALL the dust in my garage shop. Trying to figure out how to move the jointer to be closer to the orientation of the hoses. don't want to have to step over them! Alan Alan, Thanks for the nice write-up. Which cartridge fitler did you buy? Please let us know how hard it was to adapt to the dust collector. I'm thinking of doing exactly what you have in mind. -Peter |
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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 14:12:46 -0600, Peter De Smidt
pdesmidt*no*spam*@tds.*net* wrote: Tim Douglass wrote: If the motor can be converted to 240 that is the way I would go. That's a good question. I downloaded the manual, and it doesn't say. Could someone who has one check it out? If the motor can be re-wired to 240v, I'll get one. 110v only |
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"Alan W" wrote in message om... I've got conflicting information on the size of the HF dust inlets. Wynn says if I take the Y off I get a single 5" line. I see JET has a 6" and 4" adapter available for their 2hp unit, and I suspect I could attach that to the harbor freight impeller section. I suspect HF is overrated and does not have the same capacity as the Jet, even though they both claim 2hp. One rough comparison is to look at impeller size. I believe the Jet 2hp uses a 12 inch impeller. Bob |
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(Alan W) wrote in message . com...
Hope to get rid of ALL the dust in my garage shop. Trying to figure out how to move the jointer to be closer to the orientation of the hoses. don't want to have to step over them! Alan While it sounds like this unit will pick up the big stuff, I doubt it'll get the really fine dust. The stuff that will clog up your lungs. If you really want to get ALL of the dust as you say, check out this site for some info: http://billpentz.com//woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm Cheers, cc |
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On 3 Nov 2004 05:39:51 -0800, (James Cubby
Culbertson) wrote: (Alan W) wrote in message . com... Hope to get rid of ALL the dust in my garage shop. Trying to figure out how to move the jointer to be closer to the orientation of the hoses. don't want to have to step over them! Alan While it sounds like this unit will pick up the big stuff, I doubt it'll get the really fine dust. The stuff that will clog up your lungs. If you really want to get ALL of the dust as you say, check out this site for some info: http://billpentz.com//woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm Cheers, cc Thanks... Very interesting site! my education continues... *g* |
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mac davis wrote in message . ..
On 2 Nov 2004 18:35:44 -0800, (Alan W) wrote: I'll have to wait until I can afford to get one, look at it, then re-read your post... (I print a lot of this NG out) I got lost on the cartridge conversion and quit reading somewhere around taking the Y off and the 4" and 6" inch thing... like trying to understand someone talking about a car when you've never seen one.. I was noticing tonight that almost an hour after sanding a couple of boards with the palm sander, I could see dust in the air when my wife came in the driveway with the lights on... HAS to be bad for me, breathing in that crap every evening.. Unfortunately, the dust collector will do very little to help that (I have yet to see a palm sander connected to a dust collector). What you need for the fine floating dust is a dust filtration unit. Lots of old posts on this and the argument between those who recommend buying a commercial unit and those who (like me) built theirs from a furnace blower and some good filters. So now not only are you hearing about a car without seeing one, we've thrown in motorcycles Dave Hall |
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Hello,
Here's another link that has some more info on the subject. I'm trying to learn about this as well. As far as actually breathing in the dust goes, I think that I'd be wearing a dust mask. http://www.cleanshopair.com/ Peter. "David Hall" wrote in message m... mac davis wrote in message . .. On 2 Nov 2004 18:35:44 -0800, (Alan W) wrote: I'll have to wait until I can afford to get one, look at it, then re-read your post... (I print a lot of this NG out) I got lost on the cartridge conversion and quit reading somewhere around taking the Y off and the 4" and 6" inch thing... like trying to understand someone talking about a car when you've never seen one.. I was noticing tonight that almost an hour after sanding a couple of boards with the palm sander, I could see dust in the air when my wife came in the driveway with the lights on... HAS to be bad for me, breathing in that crap every evening.. Unfortunately, the dust collector will do very little to help that (I have yet to see a palm sander connected to a dust collector). What you need for the fine floating dust is a dust filtration unit. Lots of old posts on this and the argument between those who recommend buying a commercial unit and those who (like me) built theirs from a furnace blower and some good filters. So now not only are you hearing about a car without seeing one, we've thrown in motorcycles Dave Hall |
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On Sun 31 Oct 2004 11:52:12p, "Bob" wrote in
k.net: http://www.wynnenv.com/35A_series_cartridge_kit.htm That looks fantastic. Thanks Bob, I heard something about addon filters a little while ago and was going to ask. Then I forgot. Thanks for bringing it up. Probably won't be able to get it till tax time but I'm glad that's out there. Dan |
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On 3 Nov 2004 08:27:45 -0800, (David Hall) wrote:
mac davis wrote in message . .. On 2 Nov 2004 18:35:44 -0800, (Alan W) wrote: I'll have to wait until I can afford to get one, look at it, then re-read your post... (I print a lot of this NG out) I got lost on the cartridge conversion and quit reading somewhere around taking the Y off and the 4" and 6" inch thing... like trying to understand someone talking about a car when you've never seen one.. I was noticing tonight that almost an hour after sanding a couple of boards with the palm sander, I could see dust in the air when my wife came in the driveway with the lights on... HAS to be bad for me, breathing in that crap every evening.. Unfortunately, the dust collector will do very little to help that (I have yet to see a palm sander connected to a dust collector). What you need for the fine floating dust is a dust filtration unit. Lots of old posts on this and the argument between those who recommend buying a commercial unit and those who (like me) built theirs from a furnace blower and some good filters. So now not only are you hearing about a car without seeing one, we've thrown in motorcycles Dave Hall I actually understand that one and agree, Dave... I'll probably copy Ken Vaughn's system, as it seems very efficient and looks like the construction is within my skill level.. I had forgotten the a dust collector doesn't filter dust unless it's fed into it... I might need the filter system more than the DC! |
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"Bob" wrote in message ink.net... "Alan W" wrote in message om... I've got conflicting information on the size of the HF dust inlets. Wynn says if I take the Y off I get a single 5" line. I see JET has a 6" and 4" adapter available for their 2hp unit, and I suspect I could attach that to the harbor freight impeller section. I suspect HF is overrated and does not have the same capacity as the Jet, even though they both claim 2hp. One rough comparison is to look at impeller size. I believe the Jet 2hp uses a 12 inch impeller. Bob I would rate the HF unit at 1-1/2 HP, more closely relates to Jets 1-1/2 HP unit, the DC1100A which Amazon has for $330! Is the Jet better? Probably! Is it worth over twice the price? I don't believe so. At least not for the hobby wood dorker. You can get the HF unit for $159 pretty much any time. Plus the often run coupons for $10 on puchaces over $100 to get the out the door price to $149. Better bags can be had cheap enough so it is still a good deal. Greg |
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"James Cubby Culbertson" wrote in message While it sounds like this unit will pick up the big stuff, I doubt it'll get the really fine dust. The stuff that will clog up your lungs. If you really want to get ALL of the dust as you say, check out this site for some info: http://billpentz.com//woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm Cheers, cc Like the fine dust produced from sanding? Which you probably will not be able to make use of your dust collector while doing?! If you want to get all the fine dust it takes quite a commitment, connect all your tools, overarm collector for your tablesaw, downdraft sanding table, and on and on! Way out of range for most hobbyists! Greg |
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 21:20:24 -0600, "Greg O"
wrote: "James Cubby Culbertson" wrote in message While it sounds like this unit will pick up the big stuff, I doubt it'll get the really fine dust. The stuff that will clog up your lungs. If you really want to get ALL of the dust as you say, check out this site for some info: http://billpentz.com//woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm Cheers, cc Like the fine dust produced from sanding? Which you probably will not be able to make use of your dust collector while doing?! If you want to get all the fine dust it takes quite a commitment, connect all your tools, overarm collector for your tablesaw, downdraft sanding table, and on and on! Way out of range for most hobbyists! Greg I'm also building a sanding table that I got from Ken's site... Every bit of dust I prevent helps... |
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Unfortunately it can't... at least that's what I've found from prior
posts... if someone knows a way... :-) I just added a seperate 20A 110V circuit just for that. Dave Tim Douglass wrote: On 1 Nov 2004 11:52:03 -0800, ) wrote: Which does bring up a topic: it throws a 15 amp breaker pretty regulary for me. I had to move it to a 20 amp circuit. 2 HP should be about 16 amps IIRC. Probably pulls 18-20 on startup. If you have more than 50' of wire from the panel to the motor it pretty much guarantees that it will blow a 15A breaker. If the motor can be converted to 240 that is the way I would go. Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 14:28:36 -0500, David Dube
wrote: Unfortunately it can't... at least that's what I've found from prior posts... if someone knows a way... :-) I just added a seperate 20A 110V circuit just for that. If the motor can't be converted that is probably your best option. One of my criteria for stationary tools anymore is that they be able to run on 240, of course most only have switches for 120... Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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(Alan W) wrote in message . com...
The dust collector is assembled and awaiting the cartridge. I am going to try 5" line from the single port on the impellar housing initially. I took the housing apart tonight and measured the actual diameter of the impellar to be 10", photo he http://alan.firebin.net/image/hf_dust_impellar.jpg Jet is supposed to be 11", but short of measuring one. The cavity in the housing would certainly take a larger impellar. Alan |
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patriarch wrote in
.77: (Alan W) wrote in om: I took the housing apart tonight and measured the actual diameter of the impellar to be 10", photo he http://alan.firebin.net/image/hf_dust_impellar.jpg 404 Error on that link, and iterations of the URL: missed the s on images when I typed it in: http://alan.firebin.net/images/hf_dust_impellar.jpg |
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On 5 Nov 2004 22:58:58 -0800, (Alan W)
wrote: (Alan W) wrote in message . com... The dust collector is assembled and awaiting the cartridge. I am going to try 5" line from the single port on the impellar housing initially. I took the housing apart tonight and measured the actual diameter of the impellar to be 10", photo he http://alan.firebin.net/image/hf_dust_impellar.jpg Jet is supposed to be 11", but short of measuring one. The cavity in the housing would certainly take a larger impellar. Alan Wow! beefier than I expected at that price... but I've never seen or priced one before, either... You're not even going to try it as it comes from HF, so you can see the improvement with the adapter and cartridge? |
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mac davis wrote in
: You're not even going to try it as it comes from HF, so you can see the improvement with the adapter and cartridge? Nope, those 30 micron bags give me the jeebies. I still have quite a bit of work to do even after I get the cartridge and assemble it onto the DC. My local hose supplier was out of 5" DC hose and had none on order. There was another local source. Since I have moved my jointer and the tablesaw to be in a T arrangement, the amount of hose I need is quite a bit less. Going to figure out how to run some line down to my router insert on the tablesaw without having it all over the floor, or ugly ugly up on the ceiling. Alan |
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On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:31:45 GMT, A Womack
wrote: mac davis wrote in : You're not even going to try it as it comes from HF, so you can see the improvement with the adapter and cartridge? Nope, those 30 micron bags give me the jeebies. I still have quite a bit of work to do even after I get the cartridge and assemble it onto the DC. My local hose supplier was out of 5" DC hose and had none on order. There was another local source. Since I have moved my jointer and the tablesaw to be in a T arrangement, the amount of hose I need is quite a bit less. Going to figure out how to run some line down to my router insert on the tablesaw without having it all over the floor, or ugly ugly up on the ceiling. Alan ok, now you've got me worried (again) I started this post and was surprised at how many people in the wreck use the HF collector... now, it seems that a lot of folks are saying that it needs a better bag?? |
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"mac davis" wrote in message ... On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 15:31:45 GMT, A Womack ok, now you've got me worried (again) I started this post and was surprised at how many people in the wreck use the HF collector... now, it seems that a lot of folks are saying that it needs a better bag?? Seems so, but I run mone with the bags it came with. I use mine to keep the shop clean, collect chips from my TS, planer, and jointer. I have a air filter to get the "dust". Greg |
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mac davis wrote in
: snip ok, now you've got me worried (again) I started this post and was surprised at how many people in the wreck use the HF collector... now, it seems that a lot of folks are saying that it needs a better bag?? No, we (they) are saying that 30 microns isn't sufficient on any collector to get the stuff that worries the experts. It isn't just Harbor Freight. However, catching the table saw and router table dust down to .3 microns doesn't do much, if you then run your random orbit sander without some means of dust collection. The truly dedicated will get a mask, a ceiling filter, and a cyclone collector with good filters. Some of the others will move to hand tools, or working outside. For the truly paranoid, there's usually a game on television. Do what you think is reasonable, in connection with your hobby, and the rest of your life and health habits. Patriarch |
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