Hi,

I'm wiring up my shop. I have a total of 8 separate wall circuits.
One circuit is solely for the dust collector. Two of them are 220's.
The rest are simple 20 amp circuits. The lights are on completely
unrelated circuits. They will all come into the breaker box via the
bottom. I am interested in wiring them up so that whenever current is
being drawn by any of the seven, the dust collector circuit will
"sense" that a tool is on and then kick in the dust collector.
Finally, it would be nice to make it so that the dust collector
remains running for an additional 10 or 15 seconds after the tool is
shut down. I wouldn't need to have all seven circuits hooked up this
way maybe just four of the 20 amps and one of the 220's. With ample
instructions I think I can handle the job myself. I'm not that
familiar with relays but if you can point me to the parts I would need
and give me some wiring tips I should be able to do this. At first I
was just going to get one of those remote control gadgets from Penn
State or wire in a half dozen 4-way switches scattered around the room
but this solution would be neater and fully automatic.

Thanks,

Nick

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Hi,

I'm wiring up my shop. I have a total of 8 separate wall circuits.

You might have better luck posting this question in
sci.electronics.basics. I'm sure there are a bunch of people there
that could help.

There's an article in Fine Woodworking - July/August 2000Pg 66 - titled
"Dust Detector" "Switch automatically turns on dust collector when machines
are running." I was reading it last night - could be just what you're
looking for. Gives wiring diagrams for 120 and 220 plus pictures and
graphics... Looks easy to follow and the total cost at that time was about
$60 for the parts, the mos6t expensive of which was a current sensor.

It gives sources for the parts as well (Granger for the TCSHAA sensor/relay)

Good luck - You're wiring in the shop sounds like what I'd like to have!

Keith Piercey

Sorry...The sensor is made by SSAC not Granger.

http://www.SSAC.com

Hey Nick,

A current sensing relay (doughnut) type would work well, by running the hot
leg of each of your machinery circuits through it. Not sure if a delay
would be possible, unless you also incorpoated a timing relay. (eg. run
your hot sides thru the current sensing relay, and have that energize your
timing relay(adjustable) for your dust collector.

Send me an email if you need more info or a drawing.

Cheers,

Andy

On 25 Jan 2004 23:48:21 -0800, (Nick) wrote:

Hi,

I'm wiring up my shop. I have a total of 8 separate wall circuits.
One circuit is solely for the dust collector. Two of them are 220's.
The rest are simple 20 amp circuits. The lights are on completely
unrelated circuits. They will all come into the breaker box via the
bottom. I am interested in wiring them up so that whenever current is
being drawn by any of the seven, the dust collector circuit will
"sense" that a tool is on and then kick in the dust collector.
Finally, it would be nice to make it so that the dust collector
remains running for an additional 10 or 15 seconds after the tool is
shut down. I wouldn't need to have all seven circuits hooked up this
way maybe just four of the 20 amps and one of the 220's. With ample
instructions I think I can handle the job myself. I'm not that
familiar with relays but if you can point me to the parts I would need
and give me some wiring tips I should be able to do this. At first I
was just going to get one of those remote control gadgets from Penn
State or wire in a half dozen 4-way switches scattered around the room
but this solution would be neater and fully automatic.

Thanks,

Nick

Hi Nick,
Your idea is a good one, and I thought about similar approaches.
Finally, I just broke down and bought the LongRanger remote for my
PennState 220v. It installs in seconds, looks clean, not too
expensive and works great. There are two models, one for 120v and
another for 220v. Sure I have to push a button for On/Off, but it is
so much easier than walking over to the DC and turing it On/Off. The
remote has a belt clip on it, but I usually keep it on my Biesmeyer
table saw fence. I think what you propose might have a few drawbacks
and cost more than the LongRanger.

I've been contemplating the same thing you have for quite some time. There
was a product made called the Automater by some company that has since went
out of business. You can get current sensing relays from your electrical
dealer that can be mounted in you electrical breaker box that will
accomplish what you want.

You may also wish to contemplate getting the microswitched blast gate system
from Pen State Industries. It can be bought directly from them or through
somebody like Amazon. It turns on your dust collector whenever you open a
blast gate. Works like a champ. A friend designed his own system similar to
the PSI unit. I am planning on ordering it soon. The only disadvantage is
that you have to run hook up wire to each blast gate. Not a great deal for a
mobile system that is hooked up and unhooked regularly. More of a permanent
install system.

Rick


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Hi,

I'm wiring up my shop. I have a total of 8 separate wall circuits.
One circuit is solely for the dust collector. Two of them are 220's.
The rest are simple 20 amp circuits. The lights are on completely
unrelated circuits. They will all come into the breaker box via the
bottom. I am interested in wiring them up so that whenever current is
being drawn by any of the seven, the dust collector circuit will
"sense" that a tool is on and then kick in the dust collector.
Finally, it would be nice to make it so that the dust collector
remains running for an additional 10 or 15 seconds after the tool is
shut down. I wouldn't need to have all seven circuits hooked up this
way maybe just four of the 20 amps and one of the 220's. With ample
instructions I think I can handle the job myself. I'm not that
familiar with relays but if you can point me to the parts I would need
and give me some wiring tips I should be able to do this. At first I
was just going to get one of those remote control gadgets from Penn
State or wire in a half dozen 4-way switches scattered around the room
but this solution would be neater and fully automatic.

Thanks,

Nick

Thanks for all the advice.

Nick