On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:40:28 GMT, (BlueDude)
wrote:


Can some tell me where I could buy metric dimensions dowel rod and
Thanks


It might be easier to acquire the nearest (larger) size locally and
run them through a self made dowel pop.

Drill out a piece of found steel with a metric drill bit of the
appropriate diameter. Follow with a larger bit to create a
countersink shape, allowing the larger bit to just touch the downside
opening created by the original bit, without increasing the original
bore's diameter.

Hammer the slightly oversized stock through.

You can actually dispense with the acquisition of the original dowel
stock and simply rip squared pieces out on the saw, to a width
slightly greater than the desired diameter.

Hammer through your dowel pop and you are done.



Regards,
Tom.

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Can some tell me where I could buy metric dimensions dowel rod and
Thanks

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:18:53 -0400, Tom Watson
wrote:

Thank you for replying, this what I'm thinking:

I need a few lengths 8mm dowel rods and about 14 inches long.
8mm is 0.3149", I could not use 5/16" (0.3125") dowel rods. If I use
3/8" (0.375") it would be inpossible to force it into 0.3149" hole and
get a good smooth finished.

How about reduce it twice using two two jigs (or steel) reducing it
1/32" at each go?

Thank you again.

It might be easier to acquire the nearest (larger) size locally and
run them through a self made dowel pop.

Drill out a piece of found steel with a metric drill bit of the
appropriate diameter. Follow with a larger bit to create a
countersink shape, allowing the larger bit to just touch the downside
opening created by the original bit, without increasing the original
bore's diameter.

Hammer the slightly oversized stock through.

You can actually dispense with the acquisition of the original dowel
stock and simply rip squared pieces out on the saw, to a width
slightly greater than the desired diameter.

Hammer through your dowel pop and you are done.



Regards,
Tom.

"People funny. Life a funny thing." Sonny Liston

Thomas J.Watson - Cabinetmaker (ret.)
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1

Puzzled. Why metric dowel versus SAE bit if you're making something
yourself?

"BlueDude" wrote in message
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Can some tell me where I could buy metric dimensions dowel rod and
Thanks

Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 1:40am (EDT+4) (BlueDude)
apparently asks:
Can some tell me where I could buy metric dimensions dowel rod and
Thanks

Buying slightly oversize, and a few swipes with sandpaper won't
work?



JOAT
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Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 3:21pm (EDT+4) (BlueDude)
responds to::
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:10:05 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:
Puzzled. Why metric dowel versus SAE bit if you're making something
yourself?
with:
Customer's project calls for metric dimension, please don't ask me what
am I making :-).

OK, I'll ask instead. Whatcha making?
And, why is metric "required"?



JOAT
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Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 3:21pm (EDT+4) (BlueDude)
responds to::
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:10:05 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:
Puzzled. Why metric dowel versus SAE bit if you're making something
yourself?
with:
Customer's project calls for metric dimension, please don't ask me what
am I making :-).

OK, I'll ask instead. Whatcha making?
And, why is metric "required"?



JOAT
Flush the Johns.
- seen on a bumper sticker

In article , (BlueDude) wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:10:05 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:

Customer's project calls for metric dimension, please don't ask me
what am I making :-).

8mm is all of twenty-five ten-thousandths of an inch larger than 5/16".
*Nobody* will be able to tell the difference just by looking. Do you *really*
think your customer is going to put a caliper on the dowels to check?

More things to consider:

1) Depending on where they were sourced from, nominal 5/16" dowels may be
actual 8mm anyway -- have *you* put a caliper on the dowels available from
your suppliers to see how big they really are?

2) In my experience, the tolerances used in the manufacture of dowels are
loose enough that there will easily be several thousandths variation in
diameter from rod to rod -- and even on the *same* rod, depending on whether
you measure along, or across, the grain.

3) You could point out these facts to the customer, and ask if 5/16" is an
acceptable substitute.

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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:10:05 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:

Customer's project calls for metric dimension, please don't ask me
what am I making :-).

Do you know where I could buy metric sizes dowel rod or another
suggestions? I have look into Lee Valley's dowel maker and they are
SAE sizes and not adjustable.

Puzzled. Why metric dowel versus SAE bit if you're making something
yourself?

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:06:06 -0400, (J T)
wrote:

Nope! Tried that and it looks like **** (sorry).

Thanks anyway, If I have no other alternative I will try Tom
suggestion. Instead of hammering the oversize dowel into the
metal die or jig, I will use a drill and slowly force it into the die
to get the metric dia. I need.

I can only suggest making a dowel sizing plate with metric dimensions. You
really don't need great steel.

"BlueDude" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:10:05 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:

Customer's project calls for metric dimension, please don't ask me
what am I making :-).

Do you know where I could buy metric sizes dowel rod or another
suggestions? I have look into Lee Valley's dowel maker and they are
SAE sizes and not adjustable.

Puzzled. Why metric dowel versus SAE bit if you're making something
yourself?

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 09:38:34 -0400, (J T)
wrote:

Awe! It's nothing that will be of any interest to anyone here. How
come all of a sudden you are so interested?

"Don't ask, don't tell" :-)

In replying to Doug Miller post, 5/16" (0.313") is smaller than 8mm
(0.315") and almost undistinguishable. I'll ask customer using your
rational explanation and see if that's OK.

Thanks, I appreciate it very much.

Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 3:21pm (EDT+4) (BlueDude)
responds to::
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:10:05 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:
Puzzled. Why metric dowel versus SAE bit if you're making something
yourself?
with:
Customer's project calls for metric dimension, please don't ask me what
am I making :-).

OK, I'll ask instead. Whatcha making?
And, why is metric "required"?



JOAT
Flush the Johns.
- seen on a bumper sticker

Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 4:51pm (EDT+4) (BlueDude)
queries:
Awe! It's nothing that will be of any interest to anyone here. How come
all of a sudden you are so interested? snip

Because I think it's so incredibly hokey yout client "needs" that
close a tolerence on wooden dowels.



JOAT
Flush the Johns.
- seen on a bumper sticker

"BlueDude" wrote in message


Customers are King, they provide bread and butter on the table, unless
of course you prefer to go hungry :-).


Yes they are. Sometimes the King Customer writes silly specs though. Or
they are just not informed of certain limitations or material availability.

The supplier has an obligation to the customer to provide a product, but
also expertise. I've seen many a design that looked good on paper, but with
a little change, the cost cold be cut 10% or 50% because of tooling
consideration, machine utilization, material savings, etc.

You customer may be the best Widget maker in the world, but if he wants
some Burfls, and knows little of them, he may spec the wrong sizes. Instance
recently. Customer sent us a drawing of a part he wanted molded. Two parts
could be made at the same time and the final price was 90¢ each. We
suggested he cut the size by 1/2" and the part could be made for 60¢ each.
Thirty cents is not a lot of money, but when you buy 50,000 of them at a
time, it sure its. Reducing the parts size allows us to make 4 in the same
time, same labor, about the same utilities.

It is worth a phone call to find out if he a really needs the metric size.
As mentioned about the differences in some being so slight, it may just be a
matter of asking for a larger +/- in the specs.

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:03:57 -0400, (J T)
wrote:

Because I think it's so incredibly hokey yout client "needs" that
close a tolerence on wooden dowels.

Customers are King, they provide bread and butter on the table, unless
of course you prefer to go hungry :-).

Thanks JOAT and everyone, do have a good weekend!

JOAT
Flush the Johns.
- seen on a bumper sticker

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:03:57 -0400, (J T)
wrote:

Sat, Oct 16, 2004, 4:51pm (EDT+4) (BlueDude)
queries:
Awe! It's nothing that will be of any interest to anyone here. How come
all of a sudden you are so interested? snip

Because I think it's so incredibly hokey yout client "needs" that
close a tolerence on wooden dowels.



JOAT
Flush the Johns.
- seen on a bumper sticker
Might not be a need for tolerance as much as a client that thinks in
metric..

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:40:28 GMT, (BlueDude)
wrote:


Can some tell me where I could buy metric dimensions dowel rod and

What's with people referring to dowels as dowel rods?

Main Entry: dow·el
1 : ... a round ROD or stick used especially for cutting up into
dowels

Main Entry: re·dun·dant
1 a : ...SUPERFLUOUS b : ...c : characterized by similarity or
repetition


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It would be impertinent to call them "L" rods?

"LRod" wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:40:28 GMT, (BlueDude)
wrote:


Can some tell me where I could buy metric dimensions dowel rod and

What's with people referring to dowels as dowel rods?

Main Entry: dow·el
1 : ... a round ROD or stick used especially for cutting up into
dowels

Main Entry: re·dun·dant
1 a : ...SUPERFLUOUS b : ...c : characterized by similarity or
repetition


- -
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:40:28 GMT, (BlueDude)
wrote:


Can some tell me where I could buy metric dimensions dowel rod and

Europe?

Vy are der so manny more orses asses den der are orses?

rhg

Prometheus wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:40:28 GMT, (BlueDude)
wrote:


Can some tell me where I could buy metric dimensions dowel rod and


Europe?

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:37:43 +0100, LRod
wrote:


What's with people referring to dowels as dowel rods?


They've always been sold as dowel rods or dowel pins, the difference
being the length, with the pins usually coming in shorter, ready to
use lengths and the rod coming in longer lengths, usually needing to
be cut before use.


Regards,
Tom.

"People funny. Life a funny thing." Sonny Liston

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Prometheus wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:40:28 GMT, (BlueDude)
wrote:


Can some tell me where I could buy metric dimensions dowel rod and

Europe?

If you can afford to buy Europe then just do so, then put it on the English
system and the problem is solved.

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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Prometheus wrote:

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:40:28 GMT, (BlueDude)
wrote:


Can some tell me where I could buy metric dimensions dowel rod and

Europe?

If you can afford to buy Europe then just do so, then put it on the
English
system and the problem is solved.

--
--John


Best I could come up with is:
http://www.lie-nielsen.com/tool.html?id=DP

Perhaps some of the imported dowels that don't fit well are truly metric?

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:35:37 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:

Thank you for the website below.

Best I could come up with is:
http://www.lie-nielsen.com/tool.html?id=DP

Perhaps some of the imported dowels that don't fit well are truly metric?

Howdy!

In article ,
Doug Miller wrote:
In article , (BlueDude) wrote:
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:10:05 -0400, "George" george@least wrote:

Customer's project calls for metric dimension, please don't ask me
what am I making :-).

8mm is all of twenty-five ten-thousandths of an inch larger than 5/16".
*Nobody* will be able to tell the difference just by looking. Do you *really*
think your customer is going to put a caliper on the dowels to check?

More things to consider:

1) Depending on where they were sourced from, nominal 5/16" dowels may be
actual 8mm anyway -- have *you* put a caliper on the dowels available from
your suppliers to see how big they really are?

2) In my experience, the tolerances used in the manufacture of dowels are
loose enough that there will easily be several thousandths variation in
diameter from rod to rod -- and even on the *same* rod, depending on whether
you measure along, or across, the grain.

Hah! I've seen dowels that were more like a full thirty-second undersize.

yours,
Michael


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