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![]() "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:59:22 -0500, "Greg O" calmly ranted: "TeamCasa" wrote in message ... If nothing helps, you may just have to watch one on the inane home improvement tv shows. My god! You are gonna punish me for not woodworking?! Yes. You are hereby sentenced to watched 7 days of Changing Rooms, Carrol Duvall, BlobVilla's Restore America, and DIYNET's wonderful offerings such as "Woodworking." That'll larn ya. Ok! Fine! I am going out to the gar....shop right now and makin' some saw dust, really I am! Greg |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:39:51 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote: Here's the ark I finished yesterday http://codesmiths.com/shed/things/boxes/ark/ Yes, I really need a better camera 8-( |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:39:51 +0100, Andy Dingley
wrote: Here's the ark I finished yesterday http://codesmiths.com/shed/things/boxes/ark/ Yes, I really need a better camera 8-( |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:23:30 GMT, mac davis
wrote: sometimes when I don't feel like actually MAKING something, I'll throw a scrap between centers on the lathe and just make shavings... great therapy and kind of fun.. Precisely why my shop has XM radio. G I can pop a microbrew and do utterly silly things, like walk in circles with the radio on, all by myself. It fits the bill so well I'm changing a bedroom into a studio for my wife, so SHE has her own place to do the same thing. Barry |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:23:30 GMT, mac davis
wrote: sometimes when I don't feel like actually MAKING something, I'll throw a scrap between centers on the lathe and just make shavings... great therapy and kind of fun.. Precisely why my shop has XM radio. G I can pop a microbrew and do utterly silly things, like walk in circles with the radio on, all by myself. It fits the bill so well I'm changing a bedroom into a studio for my wife, so SHE has her own place to do the same thing. Barry |
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Andy,
Are you going to do a shoji project? Andy Dingley wrote: Neighbours and friends wives ! 8-( Just google for "bathroom shoji" and "ludic potlatch" |
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Andy,
Are you going to do a shoji project? Andy Dingley wrote: Neighbours and friends wives ! 8-( Just google for "bathroom shoji" and "ludic potlatch" |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:23:33 -0500, "Greg O"
calmly ranted: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:59:22 -0500, "Greg O" calmly ranted: My god! You are gonna punish me for not woodworking?! Yes. You are hereby sentenced to watched 7 days of Changing Rooms, Carrol Duvall, BlobVilla's Restore America, and DIYNET's wonderful offerings such as "Woodworking." That'll larn ya. Ok! Fine! I am going out to the gar....shop right now and makin' some saw dust, really I am! I had a feeling that'd scare you "straight". G'luck! -- Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ---- --Unknown |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:23:33 -0500, "Greg O"
calmly ranted: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:59:22 -0500, "Greg O" calmly ranted: My god! You are gonna punish me for not woodworking?! Yes. You are hereby sentenced to watched 7 days of Changing Rooms, Carrol Duvall, BlobVilla's Restore America, and DIYNET's wonderful offerings such as "Woodworking." That'll larn ya. Ok! Fine! I am going out to the gar....shop right now and makin' some saw dust, really I am! I had a feeling that'd scare you "straight". G'luck! -- Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ---- --Unknown |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:39:51 +0100, Andy Dingley wrote: Here's the ark I finished yesterday http://codesmiths.com/shed/things/boxes/ark/ Yes, I really need a better camera 8-( Exquisite. That is truly inspirational, meaning I'm probably gonna build something like it. Is it still plagiarism if I tell you ahead of time? mahalo, jo4hn |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 11:39:51 +0100, Andy Dingley wrote: Here's the ark I finished yesterday http://codesmiths.com/shed/things/boxes/ark/ Yes, I really need a better camera 8-( Exquisite. That is truly inspirational, meaning I'm probably gonna build something like it. Is it still plagiarism if I tell you ahead of time? mahalo, jo4hn |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:57:55 -0500, "Greg O"
wrote: "mac davis" wrote in message .. . damn... starting to feel like Dr. Phil here... Maybe you just need to have a beer and get laid?? *lol* Did that, a few times, in differant order. I still did not want to go out to the shop! Greg I was referring to a different hobby, Greg, not a cure for shop separation.. lol Mac |
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 10:57:55 -0500, "Greg O"
wrote: "mac davis" wrote in message .. . damn... starting to feel like Dr. Phil here... Maybe you just need to have a beer and get laid?? *lol* Did that, a few times, in differant order. I still did not want to go out to the shop! Greg I was referring to a different hobby, Greg, not a cure for shop separation.. lol Mac |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 02:32:12 GMT, jo4hn wrote:
I'm probably gonna build something like it. Is it still plagiarism if I tell you ahead of time? Thanks - go right ahead. I wouldn't copy mine though - go back to original sources and copy them, not some half-assed second generation. Like I said, I have _no_ evidence that arks were ever built in this half-size manner. I just made it from the timber I had and sized accordingly. Most of the details came from the photos on the Early Oak site, and looking at a few other period chests. No ruler or measurement used - just a square and a pair of dividers. I was really planning to make one from riven boards, but my froe technique isn't good enough to split big flat boards in oak. Those are pretty good radial boards, but they're sawn and parallel, not split and tapered. I _might_ sketch some drawings of it. Might do. -- Smert' spamionam |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:03:19 GMT, "Mark L."
wrote: Are you going to do a shoji project? I'm weak and stupid, so at some point I might find myself relenting. I'd be better to gnaw my own legs off first though. |
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I am kind of fascinated with asian styles and a would like to try shoji
screens and light fixtures. I found a few sources for shoji paper. Let em know if you do try something, maybe we can compare notes. Mark L. Andy Dingley wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 00:03:19 GMT, "Mark L." wrote: Are you going to do a shoji project? I'm weak and stupid, so at some point I might find myself relenting. I'd be better to gnaw my own legs off first though. |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:49:11 GMT, "Mark L."
wrote: I am kind of fascinated with asian styles and a would like to try shoji screens and light fixtures. Have you read Toshio Odate's shoji book ? I found a few sources for shoji paper. I still can't find a UK source for this. I'm getting my own paper and oiling it myself. |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 00:43:41 +0100, Andy Dingley
calmly ranted: On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:49:11 GMT, "Mark L." wrote: I am kind of fascinated with asian styles and a would like to try shoji screens and light fixtures. Have you read Toshio Odate's shoji book ? Jay Van Arsdale's book is great, too. I just picked up the Odate book but haven't read it yet. I think I'll start that tonight. I just finished Larry Niven's "Ringworld Throne" last night. I found a few sources for shoji paper. I still can't find a UK source for this. I'm getting my own paper and oiling it myself. Oiling it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Scattered Showers My Ass! * Insightful Advertising Copy * --Noah * http://www.diversify.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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![]() Andy Dingley wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:49:11 GMT, "Mark L." wrote: I am kind of fascinated with asian styles and a would like to try shoji screens and light fixtures. Have you read Toshio Odate's shoji book ? Not yet, just finished "A Japanese touch for your home" by Koji Yagi. It gave me a few ideas. I found a few sources for shoji paper. I still can't find a UK source for this. I'm getting my own paper and oiling it myself. How is it turning out. If it's not good enough maybe I can help by getting some paper here and sending it over the pond to you. Let me know how it goes. |
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BTW, I just went to Amazon and ordered Toshio's book, a mobile base for
my DJ20 and this "Making Japanese-Style Lamps and Lanterns by Edward R. Turner" Thanks for the heads up on Toshio's book. Mark L. Andy Dingley wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:49:11 GMT, "Mark L." wrote: I am kind of fascinated with asian styles and a would like to try shoji screens and light fixtures. Have you read Toshio Odate's shoji book ? I found a few sources for shoji paper. I still can't find a UK source for this. I'm getting my own paper and oiling it myself. |
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:07:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: Oiling it? Either oiling or waxing. Although I've no idea what I ought to be oiling it with. I'm using modern stuff, all the hopefully "traditional" candidates for an oil that I've tried have turned yellow in a couple of months. I still have no idea what the real oil would have been. I do some paper and book conservation work too, so I already have stacks of Japanese papers to hand. NB - It's Kozo (mulberry) paper that's used here, or maybe Gampi for small pieces - it's never "rice paper" ! |
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Mark L. wrote:
[making shoji] FWIW, Van Arsdale's book was the one I followed when doing a shoji window treatment (http://uweb.txstate.edu/~cv01/shoji.jpg). He gives very precise set-by-step instructions, and if you follow them to the letter, you should be OK. Of course, on a project like that, the devil is in the details. It was absolutely the most exacting woodworking I have ever undertaken. Tiny m&t's and half-laps, tight tolerances, fragile wood, etc. make for a pretty intense woodworking experience. And the glueup was ridiculous. You need approximately five hands to do it. So yes ... I am encouraging you to give it a try. At least once. :-) Chuck Vance |
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I get nagged unless I start another project with out finishing the current
one. usually because I want to buy more wood, "you haven't finished the last project you started you don't need to start another one!" and yet she has all manner of unfinished projects, huh imagine that Ba r r y wrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:07:11 -0500, "Swingman" wrote: "It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current project is complete." I'm glad that works for you, I'm completely opposite. I *like* 50 projects going on at once. G Barry |
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![]() Andy Dingley wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:07:50 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: Oiling it? Either oiling or waxing. Although I've no idea what I ought to be oiling it with. I'm using modern stuff, all the hopefully "traditional" candidates for an oil that I've tried have turned yellow in a couple of months. I still have no idea what the real oil would have been. I do some paper and book conservation work too, so I already have stacks of Japanese papers to hand. NB - It's Kozo (mulberry) paper that's used here, or maybe Gampi for small pieces - it's never "rice paper" ! Well, yo could start from scratch, providing you can find the raw materials. http://www.rice-paper.com/about/makeyourown.html This source is in Germany, might be easier for you to get. http://www.fine-tools.com/G312153.htm Wait, just found this one in England http://www.anything-japanese.co.uk/Shoji.htm Joe |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:59:10 +0100, Andy Dingley
calmly ranted: On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 21:07:50 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: Oiling it? Either oiling or waxing. Although I've no idea what I ought to be oiling it with. I'm using modern stuff, all the hopefully "traditional" candidates for an oil that I've tried have turned yellow in a couple of months. I still have no idea what the real oil would have been. The reason I asked is because I hadn't heard of oiling it. I do some paper and book conservation work too, so I already have stacks of Japanese papers to hand. NB - It's Kozo (mulberry) paper that's used here, or maybe Gampi for small pieces - it's never "rice paper" ! Can you recommend any good books on bookbinding? I asked the local library and they didn't know. That really surprised me. I fixed one broken back with a silly application of Shoe Goop, but that was for a workbook, not a valuable item. I have some old Harvard Classics I'd like to firm up before sale and I want to do them properly. Are you doing Japanese-style bookbinding? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- * Scattered Showers My Ass! * Insightful Advertising Copy * --Noah * http://www.diversify.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:58:34 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: Can you recommend any good books on bookbinding? There's one obvious one - the Thames and Hudson "Guide to Bookbinding", which is the standard student textbook on it. Seems to have gone expensive though - maybe it's out of print at the moment ? Dover press also have a couple by Aldren Watson that are rudimentary, but simpler to follow and far cheaper. Most of what I do is actually repair and restoration, rather than binding from scratch or even total rebinding. There aren't many books on this, but the Palimpsest list at Stanford is worth reading (archive on the web at http://palimpsest.stanford.edu) Are you doing Japanese-style bookbinding? No. I know nothing of it, and I don't know anyone who knows anything about it. I collect woodblock prints, but still can't read Japanese and don't know much about their books. -- Smert' spamionam |
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Greetings and Salutations...
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:58:34 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: I do some paper and book conservation work too, so I already have stacks of Japanese papers to hand. NB - It's Kozo (mulberry) paper that's used here, or maybe Gampi for small pieces - it's never "rice paper" ! Can you recommend any good books on bookbinding? I asked the local library and they didn't know. That really surprised me. I fixed one broken back with a silly application of Shoe Goop, but that was for a workbook, not a valuable item. I have some old Harvard Classics I'd like to firm up before sale and I want to do them properly. Well, for what it is worth, one of MY favorite books on the subject is Edith Diehl's "Bookbinding, Its Background and Technique". It is available from Dover Books for not TOO much money, and, is a pretty useful and comprehensive text. Kind of dense...but...a LOT of info. here is one source... http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=1-0486240207-3;;slnc=1 And of course...Amazon http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0878172556/002-3910052-1034435?v=glance Regards Dave Mundt |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:06:14 +0100, Andy Dingley
calmly ranted: On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 14:58:34 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: Can you recommend any good books on bookbinding? There's one obvious one - the Thames and Hudson "Guide to Bookbinding", which is the standard student textbook on it. Seems to have gone expensive though - maybe it's out of print at the moment ? Dover press also have a couple by Aldren Watson that are rudimentary, but simpler to follow and far cheaper. I've found both at the local library and ordered them. I found a repair book as well. Cheaper still, wot? Most of what I do is actually repair and restoration, rather than binding from scratch or even total rebinding. There aren't many books on this, but the Palimpsest list at Stanford is worth reading (archive on the web at http://palimpsest.stanford.edu) Oh, excellent! Are you doing Japanese-style bookbinding? No. I know nothing of it, and I don't know anyone who knows anything about it. I collect woodblock prints, but still can't read Japanese and don't know much about their books. Got a gallery online yet? I'd like to see them. I actually got out into the shop today and got the motor lined up on the lathe. Dave Fleming had sent a long dense rod of mahogany or teak to me and I turned it into 3 marlinspikes. And the #6 came in. It's a corrugated bottom, my first and last. It cleaned up fairly nicely but will need both tote and knob to be replaced. Both had been glued back together with gawd knows what. Bondo and spackle, I think. I also glued some jarrah on the bottom of my Knight shoulder plane and cut it to fit, then waxed it. The brass strips had given up the ghost. I'm hoping the yellow glue holds better on the ebony than the epoxy did with the brass. I cleaned it with lacquer thinner just prior to gluing, and it appears to be nice and tight right now. And I got some more mortices cut in the carving bench legs for the stiffeners. By Allah, I'll get that bench done this year if it kills me. Buddha knows, it's taken long enough. ![]() (No cracks about a certain bow saur, peanut gallery fans.) -- The State always moves slowly and grudgingly towards any purpose that accrues to society's advantage, but moves rapidly and with alacrity towards one that accrues to its own advantage; nor does it ever move towards social purposes on its own initiative, but only under heavy pressure, while its motion towards anti-social purposes is self-sprung. - Albert Jay Nock - http://diversify.com Web Programming for curmudgeons and others. - |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 05:51:24 GMT, (Dave Mundt) wrote: Kind of dense. It seems typical that bookbinding books are either basic craft-hobby books, or _very_ dense. I've seen metallurgy texts that were an easier read than most on bookbinding. -- Smert' spamionam Most of the easily available bookbinding books that aren't craft soft of things are reprints, often from around the turn of the 20th century. They expect a lot of equipment and some stuff, such as supplies, that aren't as easily available today. The other problem with traditional bookbinding texts is that the goal of those bookbinders was to put the book together so it could be taken apart and rebound in a couple of hundred years. That not only complicated the process, it meant they deliberately limited themselves to tried and true materials and techniques. Diehl's book is a fascinating read and includes a lot of examples of classic bindings, history of bookbinding and a discussion of 'current' issues (such as an inexpensive but serviceable library binding). However for practicality, I'd go with Lewis' "Basic Bookbinding." --RC |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:28:30 GMT, Rick Cook
wrote: The other problem with traditional bookbinding texts is that the goal of those bookbinders was to put the book together so it could be taken apart and rebound in a couple of hundred years. I'd disagree with that, compared to today's practice. Craft bookbinding (i.e. no more than a handful of each title, done by individual craftspeople not machines) today is even more of a high-end specialisation. 100 years ago (or even 50) there was a large trade in simply putting books together. These days craft bookbinding is pretty rare at any level and owing to the cost of it, it's even more restricted to just the most valuable of books. Who can pay ten times the cost of a book to bind it, especially when it's still in print ? One bookbinder I work with has a horror of all case binding as cheap and shoddy work, fit only for lending libraries - all spines should be sewn onto cords. As the books I work with when with him are typically 400 years old, he's taking a rather narrow view, but understandable. -- Smert' spamionam |
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Andy Dingley wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:28:30 GMT, Rick Cook wrote: The other problem with traditional bookbinding texts is that the goal of those bookbinders was to put the book together so it could be taken apart and rebound in a couple of hundred years. I'd disagree with that, compared to today's practice. Craft bookbinding (i.e. no more than a handful of each title, done by individual craftspeople not machines) today is even more of a high-end specialisation. 100 years ago (or even 50) there was a large trade in simply putting books together. These days craft bookbinding is pretty rare at any level and owing to the cost of it, it's even more restricted to just the most valuable of books. Who can pay ten times the cost of a book to bind it, especially when it's still in print ? One bookbinder I work with has a horror of all case binding as cheap and shoddy work, fit only for lending libraries - all spines should be sewn onto cords. As the books I work with when with him are typically 400 years old, he's taking a rather narrow view, but understandable. -- Smert' spamionam It depends on what you're trying to do. If you're dealing with valuable antique books, these practices may well be justified, but most of us aren't. Most amateur bookbinders want to produce a good-looking binding that will wear well and that's about all. Under those circumstances, and lacking the tools and skills of the turn-of-the-century bookbinder, it makes sense to use more modern materials and different methods. (I tend to agree with your friend about case bindings, btw, but that has at least as much to do with liking the look and feel of cord-sewn books as their greater durability.) And there are a lot of reasons for binding books by hand besides the conventional ones. I know someone who has carefully and lovingly rebound an entire set cheap, perfect-bound paperbacks in signature bindings between fine leather covers ornamented with iron reinforcements. Of course the books in question are John Norman's Gor novels. --RC (who bound his first book -- a cheap paperback poetry collection at 14 and still has it.) |
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Sounds like fun to me. As a tool and die maker, I like trying precision
work in materials other than steel. Conan the Librarian wrote: Mark L. wrote: [making shoji] FWIW, Van Arsdale's book was the one I followed when doing a shoji window treatment (http://uweb.txstate.edu/~cv01/shoji.jpg). He gives very precise set-by-step instructions, and if you follow them to the letter, you should be OK. Of course, on a project like that, the devil is in the details. It was absolutely the most exacting woodworking I have ever undertaken. Tiny m&t's and half-laps, tight tolerances, fragile wood, etc. make for a pretty intense woodworking experience. And the glueup was ridiculous. You need approximately five hands to do it. So yes ... I am encouraging you to give it a try. At least once. :-) Chuck Vance |
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![]() My #1, immutable, unyielding rule in the shop is: "It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current project is complete." That's interesting how people are different. Of course 35 would be too many for me but I just spent the evening with SWMBO trying to convince her that I need to have 3 projects at any one time. My rational is this. If I'm in the finishing stages of a project and I'm tired of the sanding and finishing or I just get impatient, I can go to another project and work on that stage. By having 3 projects at any time I will have a beginning, middle and end stage project. Right now I have a flag display case that got the last glue up last night and needs sanding and finishing, a jewelry box that has some rough cuts and is just about mid way and I just started the plannign and budgeting for a cabinet for the bathroom. When I get home tonight I can either sand wood, cut wood, or buy wood for my next project. YMMV |
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![]() "Ron" wrote in message That's interesting how people are different. Of course 35 would be too many for me but I just spent the evening with SWMBO trying to convince her that I need to have 3 projects at any one time. My rational is this. If I'm in the finishing stages of a project and I'm tired of the sanding and finishing or I just get impatient, I can go to another project and work on that stage. I work the same way. Especially if one project is intricate and you need a mental and/or physical break from something. At times I have a dozen things I'd like to start but can't decide what is next. Ed |
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On 29 Sep 2004 10:27:09 -0700, (Ron) wrote:
My #1, immutable, unyielding rule in the shop is: "It is absolutely forbidden to start a new project until the current project is complete." That's interesting how people are different. Of course 35 would be too many for me but I just spent the evening with SWMBO trying to convince her that I need to have 3 projects at any one time. My rational is this. If I'm in the finishing stages of a project and I'm tired of the sanding and finishing or I just get impatient, I can go to another project and work on that stage. By having 3 projects at any time I will have a beginning, middle and end stage project. Right now I have a flag display case that got the last glue up last night and needs sanding and finishing, a jewelry box that has some rough cuts and is just about mid way and I just started the plannign and budgeting for a cabinet for the bathroom. When I get home tonight I can either sand wood, cut wood, or buy wood for my next project. YMMV A real good way to do it and avoid burnout. Unfortunately my line of not quite finished projects is getting unwieldy. I also mix in some general carpentry projects, electrical work, plumbing repair and shop furniture construction. Never get bored, just need more time to get stuff done. Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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