As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.

On Thu, 13 May 2021 11:31:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.

Wouldn't be a problem for me. It's fully charged every morning.

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?
Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.

You mean people like these?

https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg

The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy
in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's
not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get
gas on the way back.

I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags.

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:58:01 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?
Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.
You mean people like these?

https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg

The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy
in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's
not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get
gas on the way back.

I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags.
If the trunk is filled with plastic bags full of petrol, we most likely will be reading about the newest Darwin Award recipient, and maybe the most deserving of them all...

On 5/13/2021 1:06 PM, Brian Welch wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:58:01 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?
Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.
You mean people like these?

https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg

The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy
in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's
not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get
gas on the way back.

I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags.
If the trunk is filled with plastic bags full of petrol, we most likely will be reading about the newest Darwin Award recipient, and maybe the most deserving of them all...

Close enough. Can you say Karma?

https://tinyurl.com/2h6pc9mv

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 1:12:34 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 1:06 PM, Brian Welch wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:58:01 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?
Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.
You mean people like these?

https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg

The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy
in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's
not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get
gas on the way back.

I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags.
If the trunk is filled with plastic bags full of petrol, we most likely will be reading about the newest Darwin Award recipient, and maybe the most deserving of them all...

Close enough. Can you say Karma?

https://tinyurl.com/2h6pc9mv
Wonder what the cost per gallon of that gas ended up being?

On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:06:02 -0700 (PDT), Brian Welch
wrote:

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:58:01 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?
Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.
You mean people like these?

https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg

The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy
in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's
not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get
gas on the way back.

I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags.
If the trunk is filled with plastic bags full of petrol, we most likely will be reading about the newest Darwin Award recipient, and maybe the most deserving of them all...
They WERTE fiklling trassh bags ---- Haven't hearf of any blowing up
YRT.

On 5/13/2021 11:57 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?
Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.

You mean people like these?

https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg

Now that is funny. Hopefully those bags don't melt!



https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg


The truck will probably bread down before he burns that gas.


The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy
in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's
not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get
gas on the way back.

I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags.

On 5/13/2021 2:16 PM, Leon wrote:

https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg

Now that is funny.Â* Hopefully those bags don't melt!
My thoughts precisely. I did a stupid thing recently, I was draining
the gas from a small motor and use a plastic picnic cup. It fit into
the small space and was working perfectly until the bottom dissolved.

I wonder if those base area gasoline soluble?

On 5/13/2021 1:22 PM, knuttle wrote:

On 5/13/2021 2:16 PM, Leon wrote:

https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg

Now that is funny.Â* Hopefully those bags don't melt!
My thoughts precisely.Â* I did a stupid thing recently, I was draining
the gas from a small motor and use a plastic picnic cup.Â* It fit into
the small space and was working perfectly until the bottom dissolved.

I wonder if those base area gasoline soluble?



Exact same happened to me several years ago. I think every thing is
fine until..... ;~)

FWIW, in Texas, possibly for the rest of the country, it is illegal to
store gasoline in anything that is not approved for gasoline storage.

On 5/13/2021 11:57 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?
Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.

You mean people like these?

https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg

The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy
in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's
not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get
gas on the way back.

I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags.



Maybe those were bags of **** that he filled while waiting in line. ;~)

On Thu, 13 May 2021 09:57:59 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?
Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.

You mean people like these?

https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg

Not buying that one. Gasoline would eat them up.

https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg

I saw a video of that one. Obviously not a DOT approved container. I
hope he realizes that that's about 3000 lbs of gasoline, maybe more.
Look at his suspension now, and it's only half full.

The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy
in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's
not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get
gas on the way back.

Sounds like a FOAF story but I've seen it elsewhere.

They started up the pipeline yesterday. Everything should be fine in
a couple of days. Back to normal within a week. Gas is available now
(check Gas Buddy).

I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags.

Not happening.

On 5/13/2021 7:56 PM, wrote:


I saw a video of that one. Obviously not a DOT approved container. I
hope he realizes that that's about 3000 lbs of gasoline, maybe more.
Look at his suspension now, and it's only half full.

At ~8 lbs/gal that would be about 375 gallons.
You think?
--
Dave in SoTex

On Fri, 14 May 2021 09:36:28 -0500, DaveInSoTex wrote:

On 5/13/2021 7:56 PM, wrote:


I saw a video of that one. Obviously not a DOT approved container. I
hope he realizes that that's about 3000 lbs of gasoline, maybe more.
Look at his suspension now, and it's only half full.

At ~8 lbs/gal that would be about 375 gallons.
You think?

~4' x ~4' x ~4' x 8gal/ft^3 ~= 500gal * 6lbs/gal = 3000lbs.

It's purported to be gasoline (6lbs/gal), not water (8lbs/gal).

On Fri, 14 May 2021 09:36:28 -0500, DaveInSoTex wrote:

On 5/13/2021 7:56 PM, wrote:


I saw a video of that one. Obviously not a DOT approved container. I
hope he realizes that that's about 3000 lbs of gasoline, maybe more.
Look at his suspension now, and it's only half full.

At ~8 lbs/gal that would be about 375 gallons.
You think?
If that is a 4 ft cube it is 500 gallons when full.
If it is a 5 dt cube it is 900+ gallons. Anf gasoline weighs 6 .3 lb
per gallon - not 8 - so 3000 lbs is 476 gallond - about half a 5 ft
cube. or almost a full 4 footer

On 5/13/2021 10:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas,
DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear
reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Gas shortage?Â* Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have.Â* They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.



You can thank the media for string the ****. Had the media not made
such a big deal of it I would wager no one would have noticed.

On 5/13/2021 2:14 PM, Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas,
DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear
reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Gas shortage?Â* Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have.Â* They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.



You can thank the media for string the ****.Â* Had the media not made
such a big deal of it I would wager no one would have noticed.

Absolutely. Our gas comes by ship to the port, not the pipeline.
Yesterday most of the stations were dry though.

Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas,
DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear
reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Gas shortage?Â* Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have.Â* They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.



You can thank the media for string the ****. Had the media not made
such a big deal of it I would wager no one would have noticed.

You would notice if you lived here in South Georgia. Not a station in
town has any gas. It was down to the Super High Priced tanks then
they ran out. A friend who does lawn care is out of luck, and a job.

--
G Ross

On 5/13/2021 1:50 PM, G Ross wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas,
DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂÂ* nuclear
reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Gas shortage?ÂÂ* Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling
up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have.ÂÂ* They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.



You can thank the media for string the ****.Â* Had the media not made
such a big deal of it I would wager no one would have noticed.

You would notice if you lived here in South Georgia.Â* Not a station in
town has any gas.Â* It was down to the Super High Priced tanks then they
ran out. A friend who does lawn care is out of luck, and a job.



But is that possibly because every one decided to fill their tanks
because they heard there was a shortage?

On Thu, 13 May 2021 14:50:00 -0400, G Ross wrote:

Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas,
DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear
reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Gas shortage?Â* Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have.Â* They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.



You can thank the media for string the ****. Had the media not made
such a big deal of it I would wager no one would have noticed.

You would notice if you lived here in South Georgia. Not a station in
town has any gas. It was down to the Super High Priced tanks then
they ran out. A friend who does lawn care is out of luck, and a job.

I live in N. Georgia (far SW Atlanta metro area). Many stations have
gas but many of them have 10gal limits.

On Thu, 13 May 2021 11:31:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small* nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up
every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor
inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many.

What gas shortage? My truck has been in the driveway all week (with
3/4 tank). I saved enough to go to Woodcraft this weekend. ;-)

knuttle writes:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated
parts of northern Canada in 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A

The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal
generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the
heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products. On the downside,
the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator

Satellites use solar panels.

DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a
new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use
HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU
(Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor.

"The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has
any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth."

Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device.

On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated
parts of northern Canada in 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A

The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal
generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the
heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products. On the downside,
the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator

Satellites use solar panels.

DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a
new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use
HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU
(Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor.

"The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has
any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth."

Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device.

This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of
dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy. The whole
Manhattan project took about 5 years. Think what could have been done
in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars. What a missed
opportunity.

On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote:
On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated
parts of northern Canada in 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A

The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal
generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the
heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.Â* On the downside,
the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator

Satellites use solar panels.

DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a
new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use
HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU
(Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor.

Â*Â*Â* "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has
Â*Â*Â*Â* any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth."

Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device.

This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of
dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.Â*Â* The whole
Manhattan project took about 5 years.Â*Â* Think what could have been done
in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.Â* What a missed
opportunity.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth

--

On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote:
On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated
parts of northern Canada in 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A

The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal
generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the
heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.Â* On the downside,
the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator

Satellites use solar panels.

DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a
new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use
HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU
(Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor.

Â*Â*Â* "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has
Â*Â*Â*Â* any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth."

Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device.

This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of
dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.Â*Â* The whole
Manhattan project took about 5 years.Â*Â* Think what could have been done
in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.Â* What a missed
opportunity.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth

"Trillions of dollars" aren't going to make fusion happen. Every time
they think they've got all the problems solved, they find a new one.
Fusion is going to happen when one day they think they've got all the
problems solved and their new test reactor _doesn't_ find a new one.

On 5/13/2021 3:32 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote:
On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated
parts of northern Canada in 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A

The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal
generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the
heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.Â* On the downside,
the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator

Satellites use solar panels.

DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a
new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use
HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU
(Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor.

Â*Â*Â* "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has
Â*Â*Â*Â* any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth."

Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device.

This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of
dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.Â*Â* The whole
Manhattan project took about 5 years.Â*Â* Think what could have been done
in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.Â* What a missed
opportunity.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth

"Trillions of dollars" aren't going to make fusion happen. Every time
they think they've got all the problems solved, they find a new one.
Fusion is going to happen when one day they think they've got all the
problems solved and their new test reactor _doesn't_ find a new one.

I was not thinking of spending trillions for fusion. I was thinking of
cleaning up and reusing the spent nuclear fuel; This seems like a
chemistry and physics problem. Improving the reactors and the control
systems them self. The development of small portable high efficiency
nuclear reactors.

On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote:
On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small* nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated
parts of northern Canada in 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A

The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal
generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the
heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.* On the downside,
the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator

Satellites use solar panels.

DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a
new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use
HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU
(Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor.

*** "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has
**** any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth."

Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device.

This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of
dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.** The whole
Manhattan project took about 5 years.** Think what could have been done
in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.* What a missed
opportunity.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth

Nuclear fusion is only five years away. Nothing has changed in fifty
years. It's always been five years away.

BTW, what happened to cold nuclear fusion?

On Thu, 13 May 2021 21:07:30 -0400, wrote:

BTW, what happened to cold nuclear fusion?

Over the last 30+ years the proponents of LENR have wasted a lot of money
proving what knowledgeable Nuclear Scientists already knew - it won't work.
It is right up there with Perpetual Motion machines. However, some people
still believe...
--
Jerry O.

knuttle writes:
On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated
parts of northern Canada in 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A

The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal
generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the
heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products. On the downside,
the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator

Satellites use solar panels.

DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a
new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use
HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU
(Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor.

"The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has
any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth."

Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device.

This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of
dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy. The whole
Manhattan project took about 5 years. Think what could have been done
in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars. What a missed
opportunity.

One may look back with lament, or look forward with hope.

What "trillions" were spent to kill nuclear energy?

On 5/13/2021 4:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes:
On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated
parts of northern Canada in 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A

The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal
generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the
heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products. On the downside,
the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator

Satellites use solar panels.

DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a
new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use
HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU
(Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor.

"The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has
any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth."

Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device.

This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of
dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy. The whole
Manhattan project took about 5 years. Think what could have been done
in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars. What a missed
opportunity.

One may look back with lament, or look forward with hope.

What "trillions" were spent to kill nuclear energy?

Start with all of the anti nuclear ads that have been run in the last 70
year. What bout all of the groups that spent money to kill nuclear
energy. What about ........................... The list goes on and on.

knuttle writes:
On 5/13/2021 4:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes:
On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A

The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated
parts of northern Canada in 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A

The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal
generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the
heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products. On the downside,
the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator

Satellites use solar panels.

DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a
new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use
HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU
(Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor.

"The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has
any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth."

Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device.

This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of
dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy. The whole
Manhattan project took about 5 years. Think what could have been done
in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars. What a missed
opportunity.

One may look back with lament, or look forward with hope.

What "trillions" were spent to kill nuclear energy?

Start with all of the anti nuclear ads that have been run in the last 70
year. What bout all of the groups that spent money to kill nuclear
energy. What about ........................... The list goes on and on.

None of that adds up to trillions, or billions - likely much closer
to a million... drop in the bucket.

On 5/13/2021 9:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

No lines here!

Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 9:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

No lines here!'

Of course not. But we don't have oil wells or refineries here.

--
G Ross

On 5/13/2021 1:55 PM, G Ross wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 9:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas,
DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂÂ* nuclear
reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades?

No lines here!'

Of course not.Â* But we don't have oil wells or refineries here.



But I only have 1 oil well in my back yard. ;~)

On 5/13/2021 6:37 PM, Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 1:55 PM, G Ross wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 9:46 AM, knuttle wrote:
No lines here!'

Of course not.Â* But we don't have oil wells or refineries here.

But I only have 1 oil well in my back yard.Â* ;~)

I knew it. You have too much common sense to spend $6-700 on a shop
vac, unless...

--
Jack
Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.

On 5/16/2021 7:48 AM, Jack wrote:
On 5/13/2021 6:37 PM, Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 1:55 PM, G Ross wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 9:46 AM, knuttle wrote:
No lines here!'

Of course not.Â* But we don't have oil wells or refineries here.

But I only have 1 oil well in my back yard.Â* ;~)

I knew it.Â* You have too much common sense to spend $6-700 on a shop
vac, unless...


LOL, That multi hundred dollar shop vac, let's call it the dust
extractor, has run every time and as for as long as my 4 Festool
sanders, Domino mortiser, Festool track saw, and Kapex miter saw all
combined. Plus a few other tools. It is 13 years old. I'd buy it
again with out much thought.

On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:12:49 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/13/2021 9:46 AM, knuttle wrote:

As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small* nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

No lines here!

The Colonial pipeline *starts* Texas. You're a gazinta state, not a
gazouta state. I'm surprised that you're not knee deep in oil from
all the backup.

On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle
wrote:


As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?


Some of my neighbors may be excperiencing a "gas shortage" but we're
of the "Fill at 1/2 tank" mindset and my truck was at 3/4 tank and my
wife's vehicle between 1/2 and 3/4 tank when the nearest gas station
went dry. We're good for some days on what's in the vehicles, then
there's the 15+ gallons of treated gas in the shed out back with the
lawn equipment and the generator.

With the "experts" saying 5 to 7 days for recovery from each day the
pipeline was shut down, that's about 30 days to get back to normal
stocks of fuel. We're Ok with that. Are you?

On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle
wrote:


As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T
you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like
those they have use to power satellites for decades?

I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of
plutonium.