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OT: Gas shortage
As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? |
OT: Gas shortage
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote:
As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. |
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On Thu, 13 May 2021 11:31:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. Wouldn't be a problem for me. It's fully charged every morning. |
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knuttle writes:
As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products. On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. |
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On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products. On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy. The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years. Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars. What a missed opportunity. |
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On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You mean people like these? https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get gas on the way back. I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags. |
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On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:58:01 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You mean people like these? https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get gas on the way back. I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags. If the trunk is filled with plastic bags full of petrol, we most likely will be reading about the newest Darwin Award recipient, and maybe the most deserving of them all... |
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On 5/13/2021 1:06 PM, Brian Welch wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:58:01 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You mean people like these? https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get gas on the way back. I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags. If the trunk is filled with plastic bags full of petrol, we most likely will be reading about the newest Darwin Award recipient, and maybe the most deserving of them all... Close enough. Can you say Karma? https://tinyurl.com/2h6pc9mv |
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On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 1:12:34 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 1:06 PM, Brian Welch wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:58:01 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You mean people like these? https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get gas on the way back. I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags. If the trunk is filled with plastic bags full of petrol, we most likely will be reading about the newest Darwin Award recipient, and maybe the most deserving of them all... Close enough. Can you say Karma? https://tinyurl.com/2h6pc9mv Wonder what the cost per gallon of that gas ended up being? |
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On 5/13/2021 9:46 AM, knuttle wrote:
As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? No lines here! |
OT: Gas shortage
On 5/13/2021 10:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage?Â* Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have.Â* They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You can thank the media for string the ****. Had the media not made such a big deal of it I would wager no one would have noticed. |
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On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote:
On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.Â* On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. Â*Â*Â* "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has Â*Â*Â*Â* any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.Â*Â* The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years.Â*Â* Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.Â* What a missed opportunity. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth -- |
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On 5/13/2021 11:57 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You mean people like these? https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg Now that is funny. Hopefully those bags don't melt! https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg The truck will probably bread down before he burns that gas. The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get gas on the way back. I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags. |
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On 5/13/2021 11:57 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You mean people like these? https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get gas on the way back. I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags. Maybe those were bags of **** that he filled while waiting in line. ;~) |
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On 5/13/2021 2:16 PM, Leon wrote: https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg Now that is funny.Â* Hopefully those bags don't melt! My thoughts precisely. I did a stupid thing recently, I was draining the gas from a small motor and use a plastic picnic cup. It fit into the small space and was working perfectly until the bottom dissolved. I wonder if those base area gasoline soluble? |
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On 5/13/2021 2:14 PM, Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage?Â* Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have.Â* They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You can thank the media for string the ****.Â* Had the media not made such a big deal of it I would wager no one would have noticed. Absolutely. Our gas comes by ship to the port, not the pipeline. Yesterday most of the stations were dry though. |
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Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage?Â* Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have.Â* They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You can thank the media for string the ****. Had the media not made such a big deal of it I would wager no one would have noticed. You would notice if you lived here in South Georgia. Not a station in town has any gas. It was down to the Super High Priced tanks then they ran out. A friend who does lawn care is out of luck, and a job. -- G Ross |
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Leon wrote:
On 5/13/2021 9:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? No lines here!' Of course not. But we don't have oil wells or refineries here. -- G Ross |
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On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.Â* On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. Â*Â*Â* "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has Â*Â*Â*Â* any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.Â*Â* The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years.Â*Â* Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.Â* What a missed opportunity. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth "Trillions of dollars" aren't going to make fusion happen. Every time they think they've got all the problems solved, they find a new one. Fusion is going to happen when one day they think they've got all the problems solved and their new test reactor _doesn't_ find a new one. |
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On 5/13/2021 3:32 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote: On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.Â* On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. Â*Â*Â* "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has Â*Â*Â*Â* any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.Â*Â* The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years.Â*Â* Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.Â* What a missed opportunity. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth "Trillions of dollars" aren't going to make fusion happen. Every time they think they've got all the problems solved, they find a new one. Fusion is going to happen when one day they think they've got all the problems solved and their new test reactor _doesn't_ find a new one. I was not thinking of spending trillions for fusion. I was thinking of cleaning up and reusing the spent nuclear fuel; This seems like a chemistry and physics problem. Improving the reactors and the control systems them self. The development of small portable high efficiency nuclear reactors. |
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knuttle writes:
On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products. On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy. The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years. Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars. What a missed opportunity. One may look back with lament, or look forward with hope. What "trillions" were spent to kill nuclear energy? |
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On 5/13/2021 4:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
knuttle writes: On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products. On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy. The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years. Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars. What a missed opportunity. One may look back with lament, or look forward with hope. What "trillions" were spent to kill nuclear energy? Start with all of the anti nuclear ads that have been run in the last 70 year. What bout all of the groups that spent money to kill nuclear energy. What about ........................... The list goes on and on. |
OT: Gas shortage
On Thu, 13 May 2021 15:42:47 -0400, knuttle
wrote: On 5/13/2021 3:32 PM, J. Clarke wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote: On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.Â* On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. Â*Â*Â* "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has Â*Â*Â*Â* any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.Â*Â* The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years.Â*Â* Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.Â* What a missed opportunity. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth "Trillions of dollars" aren't going to make fusion happen. Every time they think they've got all the problems solved, they find a new one. Fusion is going to happen when one day they think they've got all the problems solved and their new test reactor _doesn't_ find a new one. I was not thinking of spending trillions for fusion. I was thinking of cleaning up and reusing the spent nuclear fuel; This seems like a chemistry and physics problem. Improving the reactors and the control systems them self. The development of small portable high efficiency nuclear reactors. Cleaning up the fuel is a political problem. Many solutions are know, all of them meet massive political resistance. The problem with portable reactors is shielding. |
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knuttle writes:
On 5/13/2021 4:00 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products. On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy. The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years. Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars. What a missed opportunity. One may look back with lament, or look forward with hope. What "trillions" were spent to kill nuclear energy? Start with all of the anti nuclear ads that have been run in the last 70 year. What bout all of the groups that spent money to kill nuclear energy. What about ........................... The list goes on and on. None of that adds up to trillions, or billions - likely much closer to a million... drop in the bucket. |
OT: Gas shortage
On 5/13/2021 3:37 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2021 15:42:47 -0400, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 3:32 PM, J. Clarke wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote: On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.Â* On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. Â*Â*Â* "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has Â*Â*Â*Â* any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.Â*Â* The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years.Â*Â* Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.Â* What a missed opportunity. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth "Trillions of dollars" aren't going to make fusion happen. Every time they think they've got all the problems solved, they find a new one. Fusion is going to happen when one day they think they've got all the problems solved and their new test reactor _doesn't_ find a new one. I was not thinking of spending trillions for fusion. I was thinking of cleaning up and reusing the spent nuclear fuel; This seems like a chemistry and physics problem. Improving the reactors and the control systems them self. The development of small portable high efficiency nuclear reactors. Cleaning up the fuel is a political problem. Many solutions are know, all of them meet massive political resistance. Indeed. The peanut farmer from GA couldn't tell the difference between commercial nuclear fuel and weapons reprocessing. He's the one that put the edict in the the NRC was not to license reprocessing facilities in the US and killed the Clinch River Breeder Reactor Project. GE had already invested $10s of M $$ and was planning to build a nearly $1B reprocessing plant for commercial US fuel at Savannah River at the time... -- |
OT: Gas shortage
On Thu, 13 May 2021 16:07:27 -0500, dpb wrote:
On 5/13/2021 3:37 PM, J. Clarke wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 15:42:47 -0400, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 3:32 PM, J. Clarke wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote: On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.Â* On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. Â*Â*Â* "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has Â*Â*Â*Â* any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.Â*Â* The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years.Â*Â* Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.Â* What a missed opportunity. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth "Trillions of dollars" aren't going to make fusion happen. Every time they think they've got all the problems solved, they find a new one. Fusion is going to happen when one day they think they've got all the problems solved and their new test reactor _doesn't_ find a new one. I was not thinking of spending trillions for fusion. I was thinking of cleaning up and reusing the spent nuclear fuel; This seems like a chemistry and physics problem. Improving the reactors and the control systems them self. The development of small portable high efficiency nuclear reactors. Cleaning up the fuel is a political problem. Many solutions are know, all of them meet massive political resistance. Indeed. The peanut farmer from GA couldn't tell the difference between commercial nuclear fuel and weapons reprocessing. He's the one that put the edict in the the NRC was not to license reprocessing facilities in the US and killed the Clinch River Breeder Reactor Project. Apparently his major experience with nuclear energy was cleaning up the mess after a Canadian experimental reactor failed. If I understand the time line correctly he finished 4 months of nuke school and left the Navy to become a peanut farmer. Nonetheless he and the press managed to lead us to believe that he had commanded a nuclear sub. GE had already invested $10s of M $$ and was planning to build a nearly $1B reprocessing plant for commercial US fuel at Savannah River at the time... |
OT: Gas shortage
On 5/13/2021 1:22 PM, knuttle wrote:
On 5/13/2021 2:16 PM, Leon wrote: https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg Now that is funny.Â* Hopefully those bags don't melt! My thoughts precisely.Â* I did a stupid thing recently, I was draining the gas from a small motor and use a plastic picnic cup.Â* It fit into the small space and was working perfectly until the bottom dissolved. I wonder if those base area gasoline soluble? Exact same happened to me several years ago. I think every thing is fine until..... ;~) FWIW, in Texas, possibly for the rest of the country, it is illegal to store gasoline in anything that is not approved for gasoline storage. |
OT: Gas shortage
On 5/13/2021 1:50 PM, G Ross wrote:
Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage?ÂÂ* Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have.ÂÂ* They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You can thank the media for string the ****.Â* Had the media not made such a big deal of it I would wager no one would have noticed. You would notice if you lived here in South Georgia.Â* Not a station in town has any gas.Â* It was down to the Super High Priced tanks then they ran out. A friend who does lawn care is out of luck, and a job. But is that possibly because every one decided to fill their tanks because they heard there was a shortage? |
OT: Gas shortage
On 5/13/2021 4:07 PM, dpb wrote:
On 5/13/2021 3:37 PM, J. Clarke wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 15:42:47 -0400, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 3:32 PM, J. Clarke wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote: On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.Â* On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. Â* Â*Â*Â* "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has Â* Â*Â*Â*Â* any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.Â*Â* The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years.Â*Â* Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.Â* What a missed opportunity. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth "Trillions of dollars" aren't going to make fusion happen.Â* Every time they think they've got all the problems solved, they find a new one. Fusion is going to happen when one day they think they've got all the problems solved and their new test reactor _doesn't_ find a new one. I was not thinking of spending trillions for fusion.Â* I was thinking of cleaning up and reusing the spent nuclear fuel;Â* This seems like a chemistry and physics problem. Improving the reactors and the control systems them self.Â* The development of small portable high efficiency nuclear reactors. Cleaning up the fuel is a political problem.Â* Many solutions are know, all of them meet massive political resistance. Indeed.Â* The peanut farmer from GA couldn't tell the difference between commercial nuclear fuel and weapons reprocessing.Â* He's the one that put the edict in the the NRC was not to license reprocessing facilities in the US and killed the Clinch River Breeder Reactor Project. GE had already invested $10s of M $$ and was planning to build a nearly $1B reprocessing plant for commercial US fuel at Savannah River at the time... -- Wasn't peanut guy the one that was on watch when Iran made American citizens hostage until Reagan was elected? Was'nt he the one that fumbled the switch to metric? HE WAS THE ONE that said that America's good days are behind her and the we should not expect for life to be as good as it had been. Talk about a looser throwing in the towel!! He was really no more than an interim president, kind'a like the one we have now. |
OT: Gas shortage
On 5/13/2021 1:55 PM, G Ross wrote:
Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 9:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? No lines here!' Of course not.Â* But we don't have oil wells or refineries here. But I only have 1 oil well in my back yard. ;~) |
OT: Gas shortage
On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle
wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Some of my neighbors may be excperiencing a "gas shortage" but we're of the "Fill at 1/2 tank" mindset and my truck was at 3/4 tank and my wife's vehicle between 1/2 and 3/4 tank when the nearest gas station went dry. We're good for some days on what's in the vehicles, then there's the 15+ gallons of treated gas in the shed out back with the lawn equipment and the generator. With the "experts" saying 5 to 7 days for recovery from each day the pipeline was shut down, that's about 30 days to get back to normal stocks of fuel. We're Ok with that. Are you? |
OT: Gas shortage
On 5/13/2021 5:18 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
On Thu, 13 May 2021 16:07:27 -0500, dpb wrote: On 5/13/2021 3:37 PM, J. Clarke wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 15:42:47 -0400, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 3:32 PM, J. Clarke wrote: On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:07 -0500, dpb wrote: On 5/13/2021 11:50 AM, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 12:13 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: knuttle writes: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Hm.. There's only one US nuclear reactor currently in orbit. SNAP-10A. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAP-10A The russians had a reactor that deorbited unexpectedly and contaminated parts of northern Canada in 1977. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US-A The last two Mars rovers have had Pu-powered RTG's - radioisotope thermal generators, which don't use fission, but rather are powered by the heat generated as the Pu decays into daughter products.Â* On the downside, the power is limited to sub 1kw, which won't run a car for very long. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioi...tric_generator Satellites use solar panels. DARPA is working with Lockmart on the Draco project to test a new reactor design in space for military satellites - it will use HALEU (High-Assay, Low-Enriched Uranium) rather than the HEU (Highly-enriched Uranium) in the Draco test reactor. Â*Â*Â* "The demo system won't operate in an orbit where it has Â*Â*Â*Â* any - even a remote - chance of coming back to Earth." Might as well wish for a car powered by a Mr. Fusion device. This research could have been done decades ago using the Trillions of dollars that have been spent to kill nuclear energy.Â*Â* The whole Manhattan project took about 5 years.Â*Â* Think what could have been done in those 70 years with those trillions of dollars.Â* What a missed opportunity. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/after-decades-decline-us-national-fusion-lab-seeks-rebirth "Trillions of dollars" aren't going to make fusion happen. Every time they think they've got all the problems solved, they find a new one. Fusion is going to happen when one day they think they've got all the problems solved and their new test reactor _doesn't_ find a new one. I was not thinking of spending trillions for fusion. I was thinking of cleaning up and reusing the spent nuclear fuel; This seems like a chemistry and physics problem. Improving the reactors and the control systems them self. The development of small portable high efficiency nuclear reactors. Cleaning up the fuel is a political problem. Many solutions are know, all of them meet massive political resistance. Indeed. The peanut farmer from GA couldn't tell the difference between commercial nuclear fuel and weapons reprocessing. He's the one that put the edict in the the NRC was not to license reprocessing facilities in the US and killed the Clinch River Breeder Reactor Project. Apparently his major experience with nuclear energy was cleaning up the mess after a Canadian experimental reactor failed. If I understand the time line correctly he finished 4 months of nuke school and left the Navy to become a peanut farmer. Nonetheless he and the press managed to lead us to believe that he had commanded a nuclear sub. His expressed intent at the time was to impress upon the N Koreans the US wasn't in the weapons business even though there's no practical connection between commercial recycling and weapons enrichment/production. We all can see how well that worked to control their entrance into the "nuclear club". I'd forgotten about the NRX incident -- interestingly, it was in December, 1952, just a month after he had begun a temporary duty assignment at the Naval Reactor branch, but then was already back in the States to start nuclear power school in March, 1953, while the rebuilding of the NRX reactor took over a year. Looks like Rickover thought him "the most expendable kid on the block" to ship him off at the time. Since he finished at Annapolis in 1946, there was no such thing as a Nuclear Engineering degree program anywhere yet at the time. KSU had the first accredited NE undergraduate degree program in 1958 where I got my BSNE ('68). An interesting letter to editor of WSJ about the subject is at https://atomicinsights.com/jimmy-carter-never-served-nuclear-submarine/ .... |
OT: Gas shortage
On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:59 -0400, knuttle
wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? I'm not sure I want to be driving around on several pounds of plutonium. |
OT: Gas shortage
On Thu, 13 May 2021 11:31:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. What gas shortage? My truck has been in the driveway all week (with 3/4 tank). I saved enough to go to Woodcraft this weekend. ;-) |
OT: Gas shortage
On Thu, 13 May 2021 09:57:59 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You mean people like these? https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg Not buying that one. Gasoline would eat them up. https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg I saw a video of that one. Obviously not a DOT approved container. I hope he realizes that that's about 3000 lbs of gasoline, maybe more. Look at his suspension now, and it's only half full. The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get gas on the way back. Sounds like a FOAF story but I've seen it elsewhere. They started up the pipeline yesterday. Everything should be fine in a couple of days. Back to normal within a week. Gas is available now (check Gas Buddy). I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags. Not happening. |
OT: Gas shortage
On Thu, 13 May 2021 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT), Brian Welch
wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 1:12:34 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 1:06 PM, Brian Welch wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 12:58:01 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, May 13, 2021 at 11:31:34 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the small nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage? Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have. They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You mean people like these? https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ujpIdsP.jpg The one of the pick up truck is an actual picture taken by my buddy in Florida. He drove down from NYS before this happened and he's not sure if he'll be able to get back, not knowing if he'll be able to get gas on the way back. I can't speak for the validity of the trunk full of bags. If the trunk is filled with plastic bags full of petrol, we most likely will be reading about the newest Darwin Award recipient, and maybe the most deserving of them all... Close enough. Can you say Karma? https://tinyurl.com/2h6pc9mv Wonder what the cost per gallon of that gas ended up being? I wonder how happy his insurance company is going to be. I wonder if the cops (Homeland Security?) had a chat with him. |
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OT: Gas shortage
On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:26:42 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 5/13/2021 1:22 PM, knuttle wrote: On 5/13/2021 2:16 PM, Leon wrote: https://i.imgur.com/nSWgPfR.jpg Now that is funny.* Hopefully those bags don't melt! My thoughts precisely.* I did a stupid thing recently, I was draining the gas from a small motor and use a plastic picnic cup.* It fit into the small space and was working perfectly until the bottom dissolved. I wonder if those base area gasoline soluble? Exact same happened to me several years ago. I think every thing is fine until..... ;~) FWIW, in Texas, possibly for the rest of the country, it is illegal to store gasoline in anything that is not approved for gasoline storage. It is. It's also a federal DOT reg. I believe approved containers have to be red, as well. |
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OT: Gas shortage
On Thu, 13 May 2021 14:50:00 -0400, G Ross wrote:
Leon wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 5/13/2021 10:46 AM, knuttle wrote: As you sit in the gas line or are looking for a station with gas, DON"T you wish your car was powered by on of the smallÂ* nuclear reactor like those they have use to power satellites for decades? Gas shortage?Â* Oh, you mean the one caused by stupid people filling up every empty can, bottle, and jar they have.Â* They made a minor inconvenience for a few a major ordeal for many. You can thank the media for string the ****. Had the media not made such a big deal of it I would wager no one would have noticed. You would notice if you lived here in South Georgia. Not a station in town has any gas. It was down to the Super High Priced tanks then they ran out. A friend who does lawn care is out of luck, and a job. I live in N. Georgia (far SW Atlanta metro area). Many stations have gas but many of them have 10gal limits. |
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