Puckdropper on Tue, 08 Dec 2020 08:26:21 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
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Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

I didn't watch a lot of TV "in the old days" and then when it went
all digital, saw no reason to replace TV sets I was not watching
anyway.

Now the question is: "what else can they be used for?"
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet on Tue, 8 Dec 2020 08:29:46 -0600 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~) We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013. The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty. The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.

We are considering a projector with screen which can be rolled up
when not in use.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

On 12/8/2020 9:46 AM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo.Â*Â* Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning.Â* The picture still looked good enough for me.Â* Now
everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~)Â* We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013.Â* The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty.Â* The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.


Well, you can probably get a 70 or 75" one now for less than you paid
for the 65-incher.Â*Â* I remember looking at the 20-30" LED versions at
Sears for $3K.Â* One of the reasons for the "bargains", of course, is
that the manufacturers are subsidizing the price by selling your viewing
data.


I can get a 70 or 75 for $600.

Viewing data... Or competition and a way to manufacture cheaper.

I bought a 4/5 18" NEC monitor in 2000. $850.00

Now I have a 28" UHD Samsung monitor. $300. No viewing data.

I love this monitor. Lines, in Sketchup, that are not vertical or
horizontal, but are at some angle, are no longer made up of that big zig
zag pixel pattern. They are straight and narrow, at least to me. ;~)
I know, they are still sig zag but you have to get up real close to
notice.

On 12/8/2020 11:28 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
On 08/12/2020 8:50 am, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Puckdropper writes:
wrote in
:


Yep.Â* I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago.Â* The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then.Â* She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500.Â* Festools aren't the only expensive
tools.Â* ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of
stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

All-clad are stainless steel with a copper core for more even heat
transmission.Â* The copper does not come into direct contact with food.


Doesn't cast iron work well?

In June we had to retire all of our nonferrous pots and pans that we use
on the cook top.

The gas is GONE.!!! Along with all the nasty emissions.

We bought a new GE Profile induction/convection oven range.

My wife, the main cook, liked gas over our old electric flat glass top
range. Faster and easier to control the heat.

But her request was to get rid of the messy gas range and go with the
induction.

Facts. Induction heats the pot or pan 2-3 times faster than gas. Spill
overs can be immediately wiped up, while cooking, and do not bake on.
There are no control knobs on our model. All functions are via touch
screen. Clean up is shockingly easy and fast and can be done the
instant the cooking is done. There is nothing to remove. Induction
cooks more evenly under the entire bottom of the pot or pan, not just at
the ring of fire. You have more temperature choices.

On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 09:45:30 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Puckdropper on Tue, 08 Dec 2020 08:26:21 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
m:


Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

I didn't watch a lot of TV "in the old days" and then when it went
all digital, saw no reason to replace TV sets I was not watching
anyway.

Now the question is: "what else can they be used for?"

Mine's a 49" 4K computer monitor. I _could_ hook an antenna to it or
get a cable box, but why bother?

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Mon, 07 Dec 2020 15:36:10 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Sun, 06 Dec 2020 22:27:59 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 06 Dec 2020 16:45:54 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:

"There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make
a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who
consider price only are this man's lawful prey." John Ruskin

I can't see my plunking down $2500 for the kit (or $800 for the
basic saw) because for me, I don't do enough of that sort of work to
rationalize it. (That and I don't have cash on hand. I mean, "here I
am offered The Perfect Tool and They(tm) want me to waste my money on
food, rent, and utilities!")

Toys don't have to be (shouldn't be) justified.

Yep. But right now, well, "What are you going to do with it -
Exactly?" and "Where will it go - exactly?"

SWMBO doesn't want to know. I have 2000 ft^2 of walk-out basement
that's not quite full. ;-)

In my case, I don't have the room. When I lived out of town,
stuff could pile up in the yard. Not so much here in town. Or at
least I feel that way.

"I want" and "I can afford" are the only considerations, IMO.

I recall a comment from a family visiting Disneyland. "Dad's as
bad as a little kid."
"Worse - he has his own money."

That's funny. True, but funny.
I've worked for 50 years. It's about time to play.

I retired. Now I'm even busyier, working for the wife. Its all
good.

I will be in a few months (panned to the end of this year). I told my
boss that I'd finish up the project I'm on before retiring. He wants
to bring me back as a contractor a couple of days a week or maybe when
needed. It would work out for both of us but management gets weirded
out by anything out of the norm. I'd have to make sure I don't screw
myself tax-wise. There is no state income tax on retirement income
below some (rather high) limit. Which side of non-retirement income
go on, top or bottom?

With covid, working is easy. We work mostly from home (most are
completely remote) and when I do go in, there are so few people around
that it's easy. There are no "work hours" and in-person meetings are
banned. If I had more time to play I probably would never retire. ;-)

On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 04:40:05 GMT, Puckdropper
wrote:

wrote in
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Yep. I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago. The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then. She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500. Festools aren't the only expensive
tools. ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

These are stainless with a copper core so food touches the stainless
but yes, sorta, things don't require as much stirring anyway. They
heat much more evenly.

My wife isn't happy with the pots she has, she claims it burns the tea
before boiling. I'm working on giving her something *good* for Christmas.

SWMBO loves hers. I don't know about a tea kettle bi she wouldn't
have anything else for cooking. The fact that she hasn't replaced
them in a decade says something.

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 11:28:37 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 08/12/2020 8:50 am, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Puckdropper writes:
wrote in
:


Yep. I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago. The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then. She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500. Festools aren't the only expensive
tools. ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

All-clad are stainless steel with a copper core for more even heat
transmission. The copper does not come into direct contact with food.


Doesn't cast iron work well?

It does but do you want to use cast iron for spaghetti? vegetables?
Mac-n-cheese?

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 12:09:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 11:28 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
On 08/12/2020 8:50 am, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Puckdropper writes:
wrote in
:


Yep.* I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago.* The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then.* She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500.* Festools aren't the only expensive
tools.* ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of
stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

All-clad are stainless steel with a copper core for more even heat
transmission.* The copper does not come into direct contact with food.


Doesn't cast iron work well?

In June we had to retire all of our nonferrous pots and pans that we use
on the cook top.

The gas is GONE.!!! Along with all the nasty emissions.

We bought a new GE Profile induction/convection oven range.

My wife, the main cook, liked gas over our old electric flat glass top
range. Faster and easier to control the heat.

But her request was to get rid of the messy gas range and go with the
induction.

She demanded gas, so we put a bottle in the back yard and bought a
dual fuel Kitchenaid.

Facts. Induction heats the pot or pan 2-3 times faster than gas. Spill
overs can be immediately wiped up, while cooking, and do not bake on.
There are no control knobs on our model. All functions are via touch
screen. Clean up is shockingly easy and fast and can be done the
instant the cooking is done. There is nothing to remove. Induction
cooks more evenly under the entire bottom of the pot or pan, not just at
the ring of fire. You have more temperature choices.

And I'd be banned from the kitchen completely!

On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:21:06 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 07/12/2020 11:19 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:19:56 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 06/12/2020 10:29 pm, Puckdropper wrote:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Puckdropper


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."
The only thing worse than not having a tool is having a bad tool.
Irritating, and dangerous


Yes, irritating, dangerous and worthless. I never felt bad about about buying
the finer things. I was happy I could afford it. A person needs to have at least
a few high end things in life. Improves your outlook. :-) Starrett, Hasselblad,
Linhof and such.
But there is no need to buy WAY more "quality" than you need. For the
average handyman a skill or milwaukee is just as good as a festool for
1/4 the price - and there are lots of reasonably priced quality
machine tools and measurement tools too.
When I started as an apprentice mechanic I couldn't afford "snappies"
- so I bought craftsman, and added Herbrand and SK - many of which I
still own over 40 years later. I am guilty of having bought a "cheap"
set of sockets to keep in the car and confess to throwing them away
after skinning my knuckles ONE too many times!!!! I now have
craftsman and mastercraft kits to carry in the vehicles. (both are
lifetime warranty tools -with Mastercraft easier to get replaced than
craftsman since the demise of Sears)

On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Mon, 07 Dec 2020 15:53:10 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."
The only thing worse than not having a tool is having a bad tool.
Irritating, and dangerous


Yes, irritating, dangerous and worthless. I never felt bad about about buying
the finer things. I was happy I could afford it. A person needs to have at least
a few high end things in life. Improves your outlook. :-) Starrett, Hasselblad,
Linhof and such.

Delta, Festool, Laguna. ;-)

Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

Well, since I'm at the other end of that transaction I'd "officially"
have a different take on this. I like people spending money on audio
but "Intelligent" statements like this are said with straight faces:

"Pulling harmonics together from a jumbled auditory stream to form a
coherent harmonic envelope."

Or perhaps:

"Harmonic textures ebbed and flowed with startling dynamic nuances and
the sort of liquidity and purity one only comes to associate with
world-class audio products."

That's what they sound like to me, anyway. I can't hear anything
they're talking about but just nod and smile. Sure, their setup
sounds good but my ear buds are good enough for podcasts. ;-)

On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 14:53:18 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Bill writes:
J. Clarke wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I can't hear the difference between a cheap stereo and an expensive
one. Still, I'm looking for a better amp because this blasted thing
trips its overload any time there's a loud noise.


All things are relative. Personally, I don't care for the "Bose"
speakers because they are too smooth for me. Maybe it has something to
do with what one is used to. "Digitally-enhanced music"--Blah!
Give me a steel resonator guitar! : )

I've used these as my primary speakers now for the past decade. Highly
recommended.

https://www.magnepan.com/model_MMG

A guy I worked with was enamored with electrostatics. For the
application, they got too complicated and *expensive*. The economics
would never work out.

On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 08:26:21 GMT, Puckdropper
wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

There is a difference in what you can see vs. what you can't hear. ;-)

Hi-def is needed because the screens are 100x larger than they were.
With '60s resolution, individual pixels would be the size of your
fist. ;-)

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 10:46:26 -0500, Bill wrote:

Leon wrote:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


***** Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo.** Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning.* The picture still looked good enough for me.* Now
everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~)* We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013.* The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty.* The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.


Well, you can probably get a 70 or 75" one now for less than you paid
for the 65-incher. I remember looking at the 20-30" LED versions at
Sears for $3K. One of the reasons for the "bargains", of course, is
that the manufacturers are subsidizing the price by selling your viewing
data.

Our 65" was $3K four years or so ago. I can get something similar
with OLED vs. LCD now for something like $2K. OLEDs at the time were
North of $10K.

Technology has nothing to do with it, right?

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 11:55:02 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 9:46 AM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


***** Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo.** Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning.* The picture still looked good enough for me.* Now
everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~)* We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013.* The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty.* The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.


Well, you can probably get a 70 or 75" one now for less than you paid
for the 65-incher.** I remember looking at the 20-30" LED versions at
Sears for $3K.* One of the reasons for the "bargains", of course, is
that the manufacturers are subsidizing the price by selling your viewing
data.


I can get a 70 or 75 for $600.

Viewing data... Or competition and a way to manufacture cheaper.

I bought a 4/5 18" NEC monitor in 2000. $850.00

Now I have a 28" UHD Samsung monitor. $300. No viewing data.

I love this monitor. Lines, in Sketchup, that are not vertical or
horizontal, but are at some angle, are no longer made up of that big zig
zag pixel pattern. They are straight and narrow, at least to me. ;~)
I know, they are still sig zag but you have to get up real close to
notice.

With proper aliasing, the zaggies are even less pronounced.

On 12/8/2020 3:26 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:21:06 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 07/12/2020 11:19 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:19:56 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 06/12/2020 10:29 pm, Puckdropper wrote:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Puckdropper


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."
The only thing worse than not having a tool is having a bad tool.
Irritating, and dangerous


Yes, irritating, dangerous and worthless. I never felt bad about about buying
the finer things. I was happy I could afford it. A person needs to have at least
a few high end things in life. Improves your outlook. :-) Starrett, Hasselblad,
Linhof and such.
But there is no need to buy WAY more "quality" than you need. For the
average handyman a skill or milwaukee is just as good as a festool for
1/4 the price - and there are lots of reasonably priced quality
machine tools and measurement tools too.
When I started as an apprentice mechanic I couldn't afford "snappies"
- so I bought craftsman, and added Herbrand and SK - many of which I
still own over 40 years later. I am guilty of having bought a "cheap"
set of sockets to keep in the car and confess to throwing them away
after skinning my knuckles ONE too many times!!!! I now have
craftsman and mastercraft kits to carry in the vehicles. (both are
lifetime warranty tools -with Mastercraft easier to get replaced than
craftsman since the demise of Sears)



Ace Hardware and Lowes carry Craftsman mechanics tools.

On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 09:45:30 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet on Tue, 8 Dec 2020 08:29:46 -0600 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~) We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013. The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty. The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.

We are considering a projector with screen which can be rolled up
when not in use.

Projectors have never done it for me. I don't like the image and
they're unreliable. Wide screens are so flat now that if you're
worried about it just in thumb drive with a JPEG of the Mona Lisa and
pretend it's high art.

On 12/8/2020 3:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 12:09:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 11:28 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
On 08/12/2020 8:50 am, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Puckdropper writes:
wrote in
:


Yep.Â* I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago.Â* The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then.Â* She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500.Â* Festools aren't the only expensive
tools.Â* ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of
stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

All-clad are stainless steel with a copper core for more even heat
transmission.Â* The copper does not come into direct contact with food.


Doesn't cast iron work well?

In June we had to retire all of our nonferrous pots and pans that we use
on the cook top.

The gas is GONE.!!! Along with all the nasty emissions.

We bought a new GE Profile induction/convection oven range.

My wife, the main cook, liked gas over our old electric flat glass top
range. Faster and easier to control the heat.

But her request was to get rid of the messy gas range and go with the
induction.

She demanded gas, so we put a bottle in the back yard and bought a
dual fuel Kitchenaid.

Facts. Induction heats the pot or pan 2-3 times faster than gas. Spill
overs can be immediately wiped up, while cooking, and do not bake on.
There are no control knobs on our model. All functions are via touch
screen. Clean up is shockingly easy and fast and can be done the
instant the cooking is done. There is nothing to remove. Induction
cooks more evenly under the entire bottom of the pot or pan, not just at
the ring of fire. You have more temperature choices.

And I'd be banned from the kitchen completely!


If she ever cooked with one, electric induction, you would be buying a
new one. LOL

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:23:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 3:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 12:09:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 11:28 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
On 08/12/2020 8:50 am, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Puckdropper writes:
wrote in
:


Yep.* I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago.* The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then.* She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500.* Festools aren't the only expensive
tools.* ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of
stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

All-clad are stainless steel with a copper core for more even heat
transmission.* The copper does not come into direct contact with food.


Doesn't cast iron work well?

In June we had to retire all of our nonferrous pots and pans that we use
on the cook top.

The gas is GONE.!!! Along with all the nasty emissions.

We bought a new GE Profile induction/convection oven range.

My wife, the main cook, liked gas over our old electric flat glass top
range. Faster and easier to control the heat.

But her request was to get rid of the messy gas range and go with the
induction.

She demanded gas, so we put a bottle in the back yard and bought a
dual fuel Kitchenaid.

Facts. Induction heats the pot or pan 2-3 times faster than gas. Spill
overs can be immediately wiped up, while cooking, and do not bake on.
There are no control knobs on our model. All functions are via touch
screen. Clean up is shockingly easy and fast and can be done the
instant the cooking is done. There is nothing to remove. Induction
cooks more evenly under the entire bottom of the pot or pan, not just at
the ring of fire. You have more temperature choices.

And I'd be banned from the kitchen completely!


If she ever cooked with one, electric induction, you would be buying a
new one. LOL

I'm not allowed anywhere near one. They're about the only thing
that's found around the home that can drive pacemakers nuts. I'm
dependent (if it don't work, I don't work) on mine so it's a double
no-no.

Welders above 60A, I think, are a problem too. My doctor ordered me
off riding lawn mowers, as well so I'm "forced" to pay someone to do
the lawn. ;-)

On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 16:26:26 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:21:06 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 07/12/2020 11:19 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:19:56 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 06/12/2020 10:29 pm, Puckdropper wrote:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Puckdropper


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."
The only thing worse than not having a tool is having a bad tool.
Irritating, and dangerous


Yes, irritating, dangerous and worthless. I never felt bad about about buying
the finer things. I was happy I could afford it. A person needs to have at least
a few high end things in life. Improves your outlook. :-) Starrett, Hasselblad,
Linhof and such.
But there is no need to buy WAY more "quality" than you need. For the
average handyman a skill or milwaukee is just as good as a festool for
1/4 the price - and there are lots of reasonably priced quality
machine tools and measurement tools too.

Since Kreg has come out with a decent track saw, maybe. The dust
collection of Festools still beats them all. I hated every sander I'd
ever bought, too, until I bought a Festool. The paper lasts, doesn't
tear or fall off.

When I started as an apprentice mechanic I couldn't afford "snappies"
- so I bought craftsman, and added Herbrand and SK - many of which I
still own over 40 years later. I am guilty of having bought a "cheap"
set of sockets to keep in the car and confess to throwing them away
after skinning my knuckles ONE too many times!!!! I now have
craftsman and mastercraft kits to carry in the vehicles. (both are
lifetime warranty tools -with Mastercraft easier to get replaced than
craftsman since the demise of Sears)

There's where I do HF, now. I don't work on my car so don't need a
really good set. I don't care about lifetime guarantees (Craftsman's
has been a joke for decades). The cost of the gas to go replace them
is more than the cost of the tool.

When I did work on my cars, I had mostly Craftsman wrenches but also
had a few SKs. The SKs were very good. The difference, IMO, between
the best sockets and varying degrees of crap was their wall thickness
(relates to quality of the steel) and precise size. For automotive
maintenance, these things matter. For around the house, not so much. I
can drive a lag screw with either.

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:22:12 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 3:26 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:21:06 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 07/12/2020 11:19 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:19:56 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 06/12/2020 10:29 pm, Puckdropper wrote:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Puckdropper


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."
The only thing worse than not having a tool is having a bad tool.
Irritating, and dangerous


Yes, irritating, dangerous and worthless. I never felt bad about about buying
the finer things. I was happy I could afford it. A person needs to have at least
a few high end things in life. Improves your outlook. :-) Starrett, Hasselblad,
Linhof and such.
But there is no need to buy WAY more "quality" than you need. For the
average handyman a skill or milwaukee is just as good as a festool for
1/4 the price - and there are lots of reasonably priced quality
machine tools and measurement tools too.
When I started as an apprentice mechanic I couldn't afford "snappies"
- so I bought craftsman, and added Herbrand and SK - many of which I
still own over 40 years later. I am guilty of having bought a "cheap"
set of sockets to keep in the car and confess to throwing them away
after skinning my knuckles ONE too many times!!!! I now have
craftsman and mastercraft kits to carry in the vehicles. (both are
lifetime warranty tools -with Mastercraft easier to get replaced than
craftsman since the demise of Sears)



Ace Hardware and Lowes carry Craftsman mechanics tools.

So does Lowes. They own the name (and that's all it is, a name).

On 12/8/2020 4:18 PM, wrote:
snip



I can get a 70 or 75 for $600.

Viewing data... Or competition and a way to manufacture cheaper.

I bought a 4/5 18" NEC monitor in 2000. $850.00

Now I have a 28" UHD Samsung monitor. $300. No viewing data.

I love this monitor. Lines, in Sketchup, that are not vertical or
horizontal, but are at some angle, are no longer made up of that big zig
zag pixel pattern. They are straight and narrow, at least to me. ;~)
I know, they are still sig zag but you have to get up real close to
notice.

With proper aliasing, the zaggies are even less pronounced.

Yeah, they are not visable unless you go looking to see if they are
actually there.

wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 11:55:02 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 9:46 AM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo.Â*Â* Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning.Â* The picture still looked good enough for me.Â* Now
everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~)Â* We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013.Â* The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty.Â* The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.


Well, you can probably get a 70 or 75" one now for less than you paid
for the 65-incher.Â*Â* I remember looking at the 20-30" LED versions at
Sears for $3K.Â* One of the reasons for the "bargains", of course, is
that the manufacturers are subsidizing the price by selling your viewing
data.


I can get a 70 or 75 for $600.

Viewing data... Or competition and a way to manufacture cheaper.

I bought a 4/5 18" NEC monitor in 2000. $850.00

Now I have a 28" UHD Samsung monitor. $300. No viewing data.

I love this monitor. Lines, in Sketchup, that are not vertical or
horizontal, but are at some angle, are no longer made up of that big zig
zag pixel pattern. They are straight and narrow, at least to me. ;~)
I know, they are still sig zag but you have to get up real close to
notice.

With proper aliasing, the zaggies are even less pronounced.


With "ray-tracing", maybe they will go away? I remember vector graphics
in the 70s--screen (monotone) not based on pixels, I think.

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 21:56:57 -0500, Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 11:55:02 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 9:46 AM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


***** Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo.** Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning.* The picture still looked good enough for me.* Now
everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~)* We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013.* The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty.* The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.


Well, you can probably get a 70 or 75" one now for less than you paid
for the 65-incher.** I remember looking at the 20-30" LED versions at
Sears for $3K.* One of the reasons for the "bargains", of course, is
that the manufacturers are subsidizing the price by selling your viewing
data.


I can get a 70 or 75 for $600.

Viewing data... Or competition and a way to manufacture cheaper.

I bought a 4/5 18" NEC monitor in 2000. $850.00

Now I have a 28" UHD Samsung monitor. $300. No viewing data.

I love this monitor. Lines, in Sketchup, that are not vertical or
horizontal, but are at some angle, are no longer made up of that big zig
zag pixel pattern. They are straight and narrow, at least to me. ;~)
I know, they are still sig zag but you have to get up real close to
notice.

With proper aliasing, the zaggies are even less pronounced.


With "ray-tracing", maybe they will go away? I remember vector graphics
in the 70s--screen (monotone) not based on pixels, I think.

The way color tubes and LCD screens are made makes true vector
graphics impossible. The pixels are part of the screen, not artifacts
of the character generator, or whatever.

Monochrome screens don't have this problem because the entire screen
is one phosphor sea. It doesn't matter which direction the electron
beam is moving, it makes a straight, consistent, line.

Color screens and LCD displays are made of arrays of multi-color dots.
No matter which direction a "vector" is drawn, the result is dots.
Drawing them off-axis makes control over the electron beam more
difficult than useful and the result is still dots. LCDs can be
randomly turned on and off but the dots remain. Scanning them only in
one direction greatly simplifies the electronics.

gray_wolf wrote:
On 08/12/2020 12:39 am, Bill wrote:
J. Clarke wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Â*Â*Â*Â*Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo.Â*Â* Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I can't hear the difference between a cheap stereo and an expensive
one.Â* Still, I'm looking for a better amp because this blasted thing
trips its overload any time there's a loud noise.


All things are relative.Â* Personally, I don't care for the "Bose"
speakers because they are too smooth for me.Â* Maybe it has something
to do with what one is used to.Â* "Digitally-enhanced music"--Blah!
Give me a steel resonator guitar!Â* : )


https://youtu.be/bQzIztvRvjwÂ*Â*Â*Â*Â* : )


I enjoyed that.

wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 21:56:57 -0500, Bill wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 11:55:02 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 9:46 AM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo.Â*Â* Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning.Â* The picture still looked good enough for me.Â* Now
everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~)Â* We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013.Â* The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty.Â* The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.


Well, you can probably get a 70 or 75" one now for less than you paid
for the 65-incher.Â*Â* I remember looking at the 20-30" LED versions at
Sears for $3K.Â* One of the reasons for the "bargains", of course, is
that the manufacturers are subsidizing the price by selling your viewing
data.


I can get a 70 or 75 for $600.

Viewing data... Or competition and a way to manufacture cheaper.

I bought a 4/5 18" NEC monitor in 2000. $850.00

Now I have a 28" UHD Samsung monitor. $300. No viewing data.

I love this monitor. Lines, in Sketchup, that are not vertical or
horizontal, but are at some angle, are no longer made up of that big zig
zag pixel pattern. They are straight and narrow, at least to me. ;~)
I know, they are still sig zag but you have to get up real close to
notice.

With proper aliasing, the zaggies are even less pronounced.


With "ray-tracing", maybe they will go away? I remember vector graphics
in the 70s--screen (monotone) not based on pixels, I think.

The way color tubes and LCD screens are made makes true vector
graphics impossible. The pixels are part of the screen, not artifacts
of the character generator, or whatever.

Monochrome screens don't have this problem because the entire screen
is one phosphor sea. It doesn't matter which direction the electron
beam is moving, it makes a straight, consistent, line.

Color screens and LCD displays are made of arrays of multi-color dots.

I thought of that. Perhaps it's a "mere technicality". ; )



No matter which direction a "vector" is drawn, the result is dots.
Drawing them off-axis makes control over the electron beam more
difficult than useful and the result is still dots. LCDs can be
randomly turned on and off but the dots remain. Scanning them only in
one direction greatly simplifies the electronics.

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:22:12 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 3:26 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:21:06 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 07/12/2020 11:19 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:19:56 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 06/12/2020 10:29 pm, Puckdropper wrote:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Puckdropper


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."
The only thing worse than not having a tool is having a bad tool.
Irritating, and dangerous


Yes, irritating, dangerous and worthless. I never felt bad about about buying
the finer things. I was happy I could afford it. A person needs to have at least
a few high end things in life. Improves your outlook. :-) Starrett, Hasselblad,
Linhof and such.
But there is no need to buy WAY more "quality" than you need. For the
average handyman a skill or milwaukee is just as good as a festool for
1/4 the price - and there are lots of reasonably priced quality
machine tools and measurement tools too.
When I started as an apprentice mechanic I couldn't afford "snappies"
- so I bought craftsman, and added Herbrand and SK - many of which I
still own over 40 years later. I am guilty of having bought a "cheap"
set of sockets to keep in the car and confess to throwing them away
after skinning my knuckles ONE too many times!!!! I now have
craftsman and mastercraft kits to carry in the vehicles. (both are
lifetime warranty tools -with Mastercraft easier to get replaced than
craftsman since the demise of Sears)



Ace Hardware and Lowes carry Craftsman mechanics tools.
No Ace within our area and Canadian Tire outnumbers Lowes by about 4
or 5 times. (3 within 5 miles - 7 or more within 15 miles - 2 Lowes.

on Tue, 08 Dec 2020 16:04:21 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:

That's funny. True, but funny.
I've worked for 50 years. It's about time to play.

I retired. Now I'm even busyier, working for the wife. Its all
good.

I will be in a few months (panned to the end of this year). I told my
boss that I'd finish up the project I'm on before retiring. He wants
to bring me back as a contractor a couple of days a week or maybe when
needed.

Seriously, good luck. I knew of a guy who retired, and came back
as a 'consultant'. Still doing the same sort of stuff, but now he
didn't have to get up at 5:30 to go in.

It would work out for both of us but management gets weirded
out by anything out of the norm. I'd have to make sure I don't screw
myself tax-wise. There is no state income tax on retirement income
below some (rather high) limit. Which side of non-retirement income
go on, top or bottom?

"ask you tax consultant."

With covid, working is easy. We work mostly from home (most are
completely remote) and when I do go in, there are so few people around
that it's easy. There are no "work hours" and in-person meetings are
banned. If I had more time to play I probably would never retire. ;-)

I have noticed that the main effect of "retiring" is that one no
longer works at tasks assigned by others, but at tasks one finds
'interesting'. One can afford to volunteer full time, and do what you
consider "important."

"I'm retired, I don't have time for a job."
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

on Tue, 08 Dec 2020 17:23:27 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 09:45:30 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet on Tue, 8 Dec 2020 08:29:46 -0600 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~) We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013. The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty. The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.

We are considering a projector with screen which can be rolled up
when not in use.

Projectors have never done it for me. I don't like the image and
they're unreliable. Wide screens are so flat now that if you're
worried about it just in thumb drive with a JPEG of the Mona Lisa and
pretend it's high art.

A wide screen will take up wall space, of which we have precious
little which doesn't have something on it: pictures, art, collections,
book cases, etc. So a projector and screen would serve for the few
times we really want to watch a movie.
I think the last movie we watch was "Young Frankenstein", the
anniversary release.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

J. Clarke on Tue, 08 Dec 2020 14:43:04
-0500 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 09:45:30 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Puckdropper on Tue, 08 Dec 2020 08:26:21 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

I didn't watch a lot of TV "in the old days" and then when it went
all digital, saw no reason to replace TV sets I was not watching
anyway.

Now the question is: "what else can they be used for?"

Mine's a 49" 4K computer monitor. I _could_ hook an antenna to it or
get a cable box, but why bother?

Cool. But I have a 6" portable B&W TV. I think, so much got
packed away or sent away, I'm not sure anymore.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

on Tue, 08 Dec 2020 17:13:00 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 08:26:21 GMT, Puckdropper
wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote in
m:


Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

There is a difference in what you can see vs. what you can't hear. ;-)

OTOH, the number of lines on the screen can't make up for the lack
of quality of the lines in the script.

Hi-def is needed because the screens are 100x larger than they were.
With '60s resolution, individual pixels would be the size of your
fist. ;-)

Downside of it is that _everything_ is in crisp focus. You can now
see how the books in the bookcase is just a random collection, with
the spines painted to look like a Collection of Important Books.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

on Tue, 08 Dec 2020 16:51:10 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Mon, 07 Dec 2020 15:53:10 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."
The only thing worse than not having a tool is having a bad tool.
Irritating, and dangerous


Yes, irritating, dangerous and worthless. I never felt bad about about buying
the finer things. I was happy I could afford it. A person needs to have at least
a few high end things in life. Improves your outlook. :-) Starrett, Hasselblad,
Linhof and such.

Delta, Festool, Laguna. ;-)

Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

Well, since I'm at the other end of that transaction I'd "officially"
have a different take on this. I like people spending money on audio
but "Intelligent" statements like this are said with straight faces:

"Pulling harmonics together from a jumbled auditory stream to form a
coherent harmonic envelope."

Or perhaps:

"Harmonic textures ebbed and flowed with startling dynamic nuances and
the sort of liquidity and purity one only comes to associate with
world-class audio products."

That's what they sound like to me, anyway. I can't hear anything
they're talking about but just nod and smile. Sure, their setup
sounds good but my ear buds are good enough for podcasts. ;-)

I had a link to a "random techno babble generator" but it is
broke.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

On Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:43:52 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Tue, 08 Dec 2020 16:04:21 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:

That's funny. True, but funny.
I've worked for 50 years. It's about time to play.

I retired. Now I'm even busyier, working for the wife. Its all
good.

I will be in a few months (panned to the end of this year). I told my
boss that I'd finish up the project I'm on before retiring. He wants
to bring me back as a contractor a couple of days a week or maybe when
needed.

Seriously, good luck. I knew of a guy who retired, and came back
as a 'consultant'. Still doing the same sort of stuff, but now he
didn't have to get up at 5:30 to go in.

That's my ideal. In this case, I'd only have two days a week that I'd
have to work and four to play (or work on the honeydo list), rather
part of one.

It would work out for both of us but management gets weirded
out by anything out of the norm. I'd have to make sure I don't screw
myself tax-wise. There is no state income tax on retirement income
below some (rather high) limit. Which side of non-retirement income
go on, top or bottom?

"ask you tax consultant."

Don't have one now. My taxes have been so simple the past couple
years that I really didn't even need software. I could have easily
done them by hand.

With covid, working is easy. We work mostly from home (most are
completely remote) and when I do go in, there are so few people around
that it's easy. There are no "work hours" and in-person meetings are
banned. If I had more time to play I probably would never retire. ;-)

I have noticed that the main effect of "retiring" is that one no
longer works at tasks assigned by others, but at tasks one finds
'interesting'. One can afford to volunteer full time, and do what you
consider "important."

I "was retired" in 2007 so took nine months off, until the "buy out"
money disappeared. I was busier than ever. I did a lot of things
around the house, including taking all of the woodwork, doors, and
windows off to restain them. We sold the house and moved later that
year.

"I'm retired, I don't have time for a job."

Exactly the plan.

On Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:43:53 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Tue, 08 Dec 2020 17:23:27 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 09:45:30 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet on Tue, 8 Dec 2020 08:29:46 -0600 typed
in rec.woodworking the following:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
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Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~) We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013. The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty. The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.

We are considering a projector with screen which can be rolled up
when not in use.

Projectors have never done it for me. I don't like the image and
they're unreliable. Wide screens are so flat now that if you're
worried about it just in thumb drive with a JPEG of the Mona Lisa and
pretend it's high art.

A wide screen will take up wall space, of which we have precious
little which doesn't have something on it: pictures, art, collections,
book cases, etc. So a projector and screen would serve for the few
times we really want to watch a movie.

Like I said, the picture is terrible, worse if you don't have a solid
screen intended for the use. Of course, that defeats the whole
purpose of a projector. They're also temperamental and unreliable.
The ones on the market are for presentations rather than
entertainment.

I think the last movie we watch was "Young Frankenstein", the
anniversary release.

At least you have good taste.

On Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:43:53 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Tue, 08 Dec 2020 17:13:00 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Tue, 08 Dec 2020 08:26:21 GMT, Puckdropper
wrote:

pyotr filipivich wrote in
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Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

There is a difference in what you can see vs. what you can't hear. ;-)

OTOH, the number of lines on the screen can't make up for the lack
of quality of the lines in the script.

The quality of the lines hasn't deteriorated much. Actors, at least
on-stage, are pretty good. The quality of the plot, however... There
is a reason they're remaking every old movie, even the unsuccessful
ones, for a reason.

Hi-def is needed because the screens are 100x larger than they were.
With '60s resolution, individual pixels would be the size of your
fist. ;-)

Downside of it is that _everything_ is in crisp focus. You can now
see how the books in the bookcase is just a random collection, with
the spines painted to look like a Collection of Important Books.

If you're into that sort of thing, it's an entertaining pastime of its
own. OTOH, you can't improve on the original image. If you didn't
see it in the theater you probably won't see it on the TeeVee either.
I do remember when HD came out. It revealed that the sets of many of
the nighttime variety shows was all cardboard.

On 12/8/2020 8:56 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 11:55:02 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 9:46 AM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a
ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo.Â*Â* Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning.Â* The picture still looked good enough for me.Â* Now
everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~)Â* We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for
$2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013.Â* The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty.Â* The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.


Well, you can probably get a 70 or 75" one now for less than you paid
for the 65-incher.Â*Â* I remember looking at the 20-30" LED versions at
Sears for $3K.Â* One of the reasons for the "bargains", of course, is
that the manufacturers are subsidizing the price by selling your
viewing
data.


I can get a 70Â* or 75 for $600.

Viewing data... Or competition and a way to manufacture cheaper.

I bought a 4/5 18" NEC monitor in 2000.Â* $850.00

Now I have a 28" UHD Samsung monitor.Â* $300.Â* No viewing data.

I love this monitor.Â* Lines, in Sketchup, that are not vertical or
horizontal, but are at some angle, are no longer made up of that big zig
zagÂ* pixel pattern.Â* They are straight and narrow, at least to me.Â* ;~)
Â* I know, they are still sig zag but you have to get up real close to
notice.

With proper aliasing, the zaggies are even less pronounced.


With "ray-tracing", maybe they will go away?Â* I remember vector graphics
in the 70s--screen (monotone) not based on pixels, I think.


Let me resay, I do not see the zig zags on diagonal lines with my
current UHD monitor.

On 12/8/2020 4:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:23:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 3:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 12:09:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 11:28 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
On 08/12/2020 8:50 am, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Puckdropper writes:
wrote in
:


Yep.Â* I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago.Â* The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then.Â* She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500.Â* Festools aren't the only expensive
tools.Â* ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of
stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

All-clad are stainless steel with a copper core for more even heat
transmission.Â* The copper does not come into direct contact with food.


Doesn't cast iron work well?

In June we had to retire all of our nonferrous pots and pans that we use
on the cook top.

The gas is GONE.!!! Along with all the nasty emissions.

We bought a new GE Profile induction/convection oven range.

My wife, the main cook, liked gas over our old electric flat glass top
range. Faster and easier to control the heat.

But her request was to get rid of the messy gas range and go with the
induction.

She demanded gas, so we put a bottle in the back yard and bought a
dual fuel Kitchenaid.

Facts. Induction heats the pot or pan 2-3 times faster than gas. Spill
overs can be immediately wiped up, while cooking, and do not bake on.
There are no control knobs on our model. All functions are via touch
screen. Clean up is shockingly easy and fast and can be done the
instant the cooking is done. There is nothing to remove. Induction
cooks more evenly under the entire bottom of the pot or pan, not just at
the ring of fire. You have more temperature choices.

And I'd be banned from the kitchen completely!


If she ever cooked with one, electric induction, you would be buying a
new one. LOL

I'm not allowed anywhere near one. They're about the only thing
that's found around the home that can drive pacemakers nuts. I'm
dependent (if it don't work, I don't work) on mine so it's a double
no-no.

Gas it is!




Welders above 60A, I think, are a problem too. My doctor ordered me
off riding lawn mowers, as well so I'm "forced" to pay someone to do
the lawn. ;-)


You can't walk behind a self propelled or would that be toooooooo strenuous?

On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:35:38 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 4:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:23:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 3:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 12:09:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 11:28 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
On 08/12/2020 8:50 am, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Puckdropper writes:
wrote in
:


Yep.* I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago.* The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then.* She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500.* Festools aren't the only expensive
tools.* ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of
stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

All-clad are stainless steel with a copper core for more even heat
transmission.* The copper does not come into direct contact with food.


Doesn't cast iron work well?

In June we had to retire all of our nonferrous pots and pans that we use
on the cook top.

The gas is GONE.!!! Along with all the nasty emissions.

We bought a new GE Profile induction/convection oven range.

My wife, the main cook, liked gas over our old electric flat glass top
range. Faster and easier to control the heat.

But her request was to get rid of the messy gas range and go with the
induction.

She demanded gas, so we put a bottle in the back yard and bought a
dual fuel Kitchenaid.

Facts. Induction heats the pot or pan 2-3 times faster than gas. Spill
overs can be immediately wiped up, while cooking, and do not bake on.
There are no control knobs on our model. All functions are via touch
screen. Clean up is shockingly easy and fast and can be done the
instant the cooking is done. There is nothing to remove. Induction
cooks more evenly under the entire bottom of the pot or pan, not just at
the ring of fire. You have more temperature choices.

And I'd be banned from the kitchen completely!


If she ever cooked with one, electric induction, you would be buying a
new one. LOL

I'm not allowed anywhere near one. They're about the only thing
that's found around the home that can drive pacemakers nuts. I'm
dependent (if it don't work, I don't work) on mine so it's a double
no-no.

Gas it is!




Welders above 60A, I think, are a problem too. My doctor ordered me
off riding lawn mowers, as well so I'm "forced" to pay someone to do
the lawn. ;-)


You can't walk behind a self propelled or would that be toooooooo strenuous?

I did that for the first two or three months. It took me four days, a
couple of hours a day after work. It needs mowing once a week so rain
really screws things up. Letting it get too long was a disaster. It's
a little warm (read: humid) here in the summer too.

I walk 10mi every morning so could probably do it now but I'd do
nothing else.

On 12/9/2020 10:21 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:35:38 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 4:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:23:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 3:16 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 12:09:56 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/8/2020 11:28 AM, gray_wolf wrote:
On 08/12/2020 8:50 am, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Puckdropper writes:
wrote in
:


Yep.Â* I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago.Â* The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then.Â* She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500.Â* Festools aren't the only expensive
tools.Â* ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of
stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

All-clad are stainless steel with a copper core for more even heat
transmission.Â* The copper does not come into direct contact with food.


Doesn't cast iron work well?

In June we had to retire all of our nonferrous pots and pans that we use
on the cook top.

The gas is GONE.!!! Along with all the nasty emissions.

We bought a new GE Profile induction/convection oven range.

My wife, the main cook, liked gas over our old electric flat glass top
range. Faster and easier to control the heat.

But her request was to get rid of the messy gas range and go with the
induction.

She demanded gas, so we put a bottle in the back yard and bought a
dual fuel Kitchenaid.

Facts. Induction heats the pot or pan 2-3 times faster than gas. Spill
overs can be immediately wiped up, while cooking, and do not bake on.
There are no control knobs on our model. All functions are via touch
screen. Clean up is shockingly easy and fast and can be done the
instant the cooking is done. There is nothing to remove. Induction
cooks more evenly under the entire bottom of the pot or pan, not just at
the ring of fire. You have more temperature choices.

And I'd be banned from the kitchen completely!


If she ever cooked with one, electric induction, you would be buying a
new one. LOL

I'm not allowed anywhere near one. They're about the only thing
that's found around the home that can drive pacemakers nuts. I'm
dependent (if it don't work, I don't work) on mine so it's a double
no-no.

Gas it is!




Welders above 60A, I think, are a problem too. My doctor ordered me
off riding lawn mowers, as well so I'm "forced" to pay someone to do
the lawn. ;-)


You can't walk behind a self propelled or would that be toooooooo strenuous?

I did that for the first two or three months. It took me four days, a
couple of hours a day after work. It needs mowing once a week so rain
really screws things up. Letting it get too long was a disaster. It's
a little warm (read: humid) here in the summer too.

I walk 10mi every morning so could probably do it now but I'd do
nothing else.


10 miles every morning is quite an accomplishment.
On nice days my wife and I ride our bikes 15~20 miles on an outing in
about 1.5~2 hours.
On the other days I spend on the tread mill, 4~5 times a week. That
tread mill has me climbing 240 feet and 1.75 miles in 30 minutes.