So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

Project for the week is to run the Ethernet cable from the front
room into the middle room so the computers can get moved. Involves
drilling holes in lath and plaster walls. Wee.

But the real point of this is to comment on Bridge City Tools
"hand powered table saw." First thing up on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtpkbYCnwpI

Which has a link to the Bridge City Website.
https://bridgecitytools.com/products/jmpv2-jointmaker-pro
for the Jointmaker Pro V2(tm, pat pend, nil obstat, etc).

The basic idea is that by holding a Japanese saw blade in place
and then pushing a sled with the board over it, you get all the
functionality of using Japanese saws, without the problem of not
having the time to master the skills necessary to be a master of the
saw. In short: the skills are built into the machine.
Yeah, yeah, and all the usual. "Just take my money!"

On second thought, the base unit is on sale for a mere $799.00
(Regularly $1181.99) With the accessories total cost is $1972.95
(Regularly $2575.94.) Boy do I want, but I already tapped into the
retirement fund ("it was just sitting there.")

From the reading, this is a high end, precision machine. Starting
at $800, it is one of those machines you really need to use a lot to
justify the purchase. I mean, for a weekend hobbyist - well we're not
in it for the money anyway. But as with all Expensive Fine Tools(tm),
the question isn't "How often would this have been handy to have had?"
so much "If I had one, how often would I be able to use it?"

As I look at it, watch the videos, etc, it seems Just The Thing
for someone doing precision cuts, or angled cuts in very thin woods.
It is also quiet, so you can cut boards without waking up the rest of
the house, the neighbors, or disturbing a sleeping shop cat. As I
said, I want one, but I'm going to have to wait for my rich uncle to
get out of the poor house.

tschus
pyotr





--
pyotr filipivich.
Discussing the decline in the US's tech edge, James Niccol once wrote
"It used to be that the USA was pretty good at producing stuff teenaged
boys could lose a finger or two playing with."

So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

On Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:39:07 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


Project for the week is to run the Ethernet cable from the front
room into the middle room so the computers can get moved. Involves
drilling holes in lath and plaster walls. Wee.

But the real point of this is to comment on Bridge City Tools
"hand powered table saw." First thing up on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtpkbYCnwpI

Which has a link to the Bridge City Website.
https://bridgecitytools.com/products/jmpv2-jointmaker-pro
for the Jointmaker Pro V2(tm, pat pend, nil obstat, etc).

The basic idea is that by holding a Japanese saw blade in place
and then pushing a sled with the board over it, you get all the
functionality of using Japanese saws, without the problem of not
having the time to master the skills necessary to be a master of the
saw. In short: the skills are built into the machine.
Yeah, yeah, and all the usual. "Just take my money!"

On second thought, the base unit is on sale for a mere $799.00
(Regularly $1181.99) With the accessories total cost is $1972.95
(Regularly $2575.94.) Boy do I want, but I already tapped into the
retirement fund ("it was just sitting there.")

From the reading, this is a high end, precision machine. Starting
at $800, it is one of those machines you really need to use a lot to
justify the purchase. I mean, for a weekend hobbyist - well we're not
in it for the money anyway. But as with all Expensive Fine Tools(tm),
the question isn't "How often would this have been handy to have had?"
so much "If I had one, how often would I be able to use it?"

As I look at it, watch the videos, etc, it seems Just The Thing
for someone doing precision cuts, or angled cuts in very thin woods.
It is also quiet, so you can cut boards without waking up the rest of
the house, the neighbors, or disturbing a sleeping shop cat. As I
said, I want one, but I'm going to have to wait for my rich uncle to
get out of the poor house.

I've looked at that in amassment for years. Amazed that anyone would
drop that kind of money on that contraption. Bridge City has some
pretty tools but their purpose is really to fill display cases. I
guess it's no worse than collecting stamps.

OTOH, Bridge City does have some useful setup tools, though on the
pricey side. I have a couple, like the Kerf Makers.

So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

On Fri, 04 Dec 2020 20:47:13 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:39:07 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


But the real point of this is to comment on Bridge City Tools
"hand powered table saw." First thing up on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtpkbYCnwpI

snip

From the reading, this is a high end, precision machine. Starting
at $800, it is one of those machines you really need to use a lot to
justify the purchase. I mean, for a weekend hobbyist - well we're not
in it for the money anyway. But as with all Expensive Fine Tools(tm),
the question isn't "How often would this have been handy to have had?"
so much "If I had one, how often would I be able to use it?"
snip

I've looked at that in amassment for years. Amazed that anyone would
drop that kind of money on that contraption. Bridge City has some
pretty tools but their purpose is really to fill display cases. I
guess it's no worse than collecting stamps.

OTOH, Bridge City does have some useful setup tools, though on the
pricey side. I have a couple, like the Kerf Makers.

The small HP-8 mini block plane is reasonably priced ($79.99); the depth
skids are pretty cool.

Want a chopstick maker for $290 ($500 w/accessories)? Ten chopstick
blanks RE a rock bottom $30 - $3/chopstick. Think of all the money
you could save making chopsticks!

Most of their prices aren't all _that_ bad anymore, when compared to
companies like Woodpeckers. The full size plane is $800 but at one
time they had planes well over $1000, upwards of $2000, IIRC.

OTOH, your $80 mini-plane is $300 in blue. That'll make it work so
much better.

So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

On 12/4/2020 1:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:39:07 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


Project for the week is to run the Ethernet cable from the front
room into the middle room so the computers can get moved. Involves
drilling holes in lath and plaster walls. Wee.

But the real point of this is to comment on Bridge City Tools
"hand powered table saw." First thing up on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtpkbYCnwpI

Which has a link to the Bridge City Website.
https://bridgecitytools.com/products/jmpv2-jointmaker-pro
for the Jointmaker Pro V2(tm, pat pend, nil obstat, etc).

The basic idea is that by holding a Japanese saw blade in place
and then pushing a sled with the board over it, you get all the
functionality of using Japanese saws, without the problem of not
having the time to master the skills necessary to be a master of the
saw. In short: the skills are built into the machine.
Yeah, yeah, and all the usual. "Just take my money!"

On second thought, the base unit is on sale for a mere $799.00
(Regularly $1181.99) With the accessories total cost is $1972.95
(Regularly $2575.94.) Boy do I want, but I already tapped into the
retirement fund ("it was just sitting there.")

From the reading, this is a high end, precision machine. Starting
at $800, it is one of those machines you really need to use a lot to
justify the purchase. I mean, for a weekend hobbyist - well we're not
in it for the money anyway. But as with all Expensive Fine Tools(tm),
the question isn't "How often would this have been handy to have had?"
so much "If I had one, how often would I be able to use it?"

As I look at it, watch the videos, etc, it seems Just The Thing
for someone doing precision cuts, or angled cuts in very thin woods.
It is also quiet, so you can cut boards without waking up the rest of
the house, the neighbors, or disturbing a sleeping shop cat. As I
said, I want one, but I'm going to have to wait for my rich uncle to
get out of the poor house.

I've looked at that in amassment for years. Amazed that anyone would
drop that kind of money on that contraption. Bridge City has some
pretty tools but their purpose is really to fill display cases. I
guess it's no worse than collecting stamps.

OTOH, Bridge City does have some useful setup tools, though on the
pricey side. I have a couple, like the Kerf Makers.



While Bridge City tools are pricey, not so much since the owner, Mr.
Economackey sold out to the new group.

I have a kerfmaker and boy is it a lot less expensive not!!! LOL.

I also have a Squivel! First of any of the commiserative tools. It is
a trisquare with a penny hidden inside.

And I have a 4 piece set of their rules and an angle gauge. The rules
and angfle gauge are probably 27 years old...

So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 18:20:15 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/4/2020 1:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:39:07 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


Project for the week is to run the Ethernet cable from the front
room into the middle room so the computers can get moved. Involves
drilling holes in lath and plaster walls. Wee.

But the real point of this is to comment on Bridge City Tools
"hand powered table saw." First thing up on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtpkbYCnwpI

Which has a link to the Bridge City Website.
https://bridgecitytools.com/products/jmpv2-jointmaker-pro
for the Jointmaker Pro V2(tm, pat pend, nil obstat, etc).

The basic idea is that by holding a Japanese saw blade in place
and then pushing a sled with the board over it, you get all the
functionality of using Japanese saws, without the problem of not
having the time to master the skills necessary to be a master of the
saw. In short: the skills are built into the machine.
Yeah, yeah, and all the usual. "Just take my money!"

On second thought, the base unit is on sale for a mere $799.00
(Regularly $1181.99) With the accessories total cost is $1972.95
(Regularly $2575.94.) Boy do I want, but I already tapped into the
retirement fund ("it was just sitting there.")

From the reading, this is a high end, precision machine. Starting
at $800, it is one of those machines you really need to use a lot to
justify the purchase. I mean, for a weekend hobbyist - well we're not
in it for the money anyway. But as with all Expensive Fine Tools(tm),
the question isn't "How often would this have been handy to have had?"
so much "If I had one, how often would I be able to use it?"

As I look at it, watch the videos, etc, it seems Just The Thing
for someone doing precision cuts, or angled cuts in very thin woods.
It is also quiet, so you can cut boards without waking up the rest of
the house, the neighbors, or disturbing a sleeping shop cat. As I
said, I want one, but I'm going to have to wait for my rich uncle to
get out of the poor house.

I've looked at that in amassment for years. Amazed that anyone would
drop that kind of money on that contraption. Bridge City has some
pretty tools but their purpose is really to fill display cases. I
guess it's no worse than collecting stamps.

OTOH, Bridge City does have some useful setup tools, though on the
pricey side. I have a couple, like the Kerf Makers.



While Bridge City tools are pricey, not so much since the owner, Mr.
Economackey sold out to the new group.

I have a kerfmaker and boy is it a lot less expensive not!!! LOL.

Now or not? IIRC, I paid more than $55 for mine.

I also have a Squivel! First of any of the commiserative tools. It is
a trisquare with a penny hidden inside.

Had to look that one up.

And I have a 4 piece set of their rules and an angle gauge. The rules
and angfle gauge are probably 27 years old...

So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

On 12/4/2020 6:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 18:20:15 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/4/2020 1:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:39:07 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


Project for the week is to run the Ethernet cable from the front
room into the middle room so the computers can get moved. Involves
drilling holes in lath and plaster walls. Wee.

But the real point of this is to comment on Bridge City Tools
"hand powered table saw." First thing up on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtpkbYCnwpI

Which has a link to the Bridge City Website.
https://bridgecitytools.com/products/jmpv2-jointmaker-pro
for the Jointmaker Pro V2(tm, pat pend, nil obstat, etc).

The basic idea is that by holding a Japanese saw blade in place
and then pushing a sled with the board over it, you get all the
functionality of using Japanese saws, without the problem of not
having the time to master the skills necessary to be a master of the
saw. In short: the skills are built into the machine.
Yeah, yeah, and all the usual. "Just take my money!"

On second thought, the base unit is on sale for a mere $799.00
(Regularly $1181.99) With the accessories total cost is $1972.95
(Regularly $2575.94.) Boy do I want, but I already tapped into the
retirement fund ("it was just sitting there.")

From the reading, this is a high end, precision machine. Starting
at $800, it is one of those machines you really need to use a lot to
justify the purchase. I mean, for a weekend hobbyist - well we're not
in it for the money anyway. But as with all Expensive Fine Tools(tm),
the question isn't "How often would this have been handy to have had?"
so much "If I had one, how often would I be able to use it?"

As I look at it, watch the videos, etc, it seems Just The Thing
for someone doing precision cuts, or angled cuts in very thin woods.
It is also quiet, so you can cut boards without waking up the rest of
the house, the neighbors, or disturbing a sleeping shop cat. As I
said, I want one, but I'm going to have to wait for my rich uncle to
get out of the poor house.

I've looked at that in amassment for years. Amazed that anyone would
drop that kind of money on that contraption. Bridge City has some
pretty tools but their purpose is really to fill display cases. I
guess it's no worse than collecting stamps.

OTOH, Bridge City does have some useful setup tools, though on the
pricey side. I have a couple, like the Kerf Makers.



While Bridge City tools are pricey, not so much since the owner, Mr.
Economackey sold out to the new group.

I have a kerfmaker and boy is it a lot less expensive not!!! LOL.

Now or not? IIRC, I paid more than $55 for mine.

Sorry, Now. Purchased Nov 2009. $72 for early order.



I also have a Squivel! First of any of the commiserative tools. It is
a trisquare with a penny hidden inside.

Had to look that one up.

Did you find that one internet? I just did a quick search and came up
with nothing.

I don't use it but hope it will be worth $1,000,000.00 soon!


And I have a 4 piece set of their rules and an angle gauge. The rules
and angfle gauge are probably 27 years old...

So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 19:03:40 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/4/2020 6:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 18:20:15 -0600, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

On 12/4/2020 1:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:39:07 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


Project for the week is to run the Ethernet cable from the front
room into the middle room so the computers can get moved. Involves
drilling holes in lath and plaster walls. Wee.

But the real point of this is to comment on Bridge City Tools
"hand powered table saw." First thing up on this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtpkbYCnwpI

Which has a link to the Bridge City Website.
https://bridgecitytools.com/products/jmpv2-jointmaker-pro
for the Jointmaker Pro V2(tm, pat pend, nil obstat, etc).

The basic idea is that by holding a Japanese saw blade in place
and then pushing a sled with the board over it, you get all the
functionality of using Japanese saws, without the problem of not
having the time to master the skills necessary to be a master of the
saw. In short: the skills are built into the machine.
Yeah, yeah, and all the usual. "Just take my money!"

On second thought, the base unit is on sale for a mere $799.00
(Regularly $1181.99) With the accessories total cost is $1972.95
(Regularly $2575.94.) Boy do I want, but I already tapped into the
retirement fund ("it was just sitting there.")

From the reading, this is a high end, precision machine. Starting
at $800, it is one of those machines you really need to use a lot to
justify the purchase. I mean, for a weekend hobbyist - well we're not
in it for the money anyway. But as with all Expensive Fine Tools(tm),
the question isn't "How often would this have been handy to have had?"
so much "If I had one, how often would I be able to use it?"

As I look at it, watch the videos, etc, it seems Just The Thing
for someone doing precision cuts, or angled cuts in very thin woods.
It is also quiet, so you can cut boards without waking up the rest of
the house, the neighbors, or disturbing a sleeping shop cat. As I
said, I want one, but I'm going to have to wait for my rich uncle to
get out of the poor house.

I've looked at that in amassment for years. Amazed that anyone would
drop that kind of money on that contraption. Bridge City has some
pretty tools but their purpose is really to fill display cases. I
guess it's no worse than collecting stamps.

OTOH, Bridge City does have some useful setup tools, though on the
pricey side. I have a couple, like the Kerf Makers.



While Bridge City tools are pricey, not so much since the owner, Mr.
Economackey sold out to the new group.

I have a kerfmaker and boy is it a lot less expensive not!!! LOL.

Now or not? IIRC, I paid more than $55 for mine.

Sorry, Now. Purchased Nov 2009. $72 for early order.



I also have a Squivel! First of any of the commiserative tools. It is
a trisquare with a penny hidden inside.

Had to look that one up.

Did you find that one internet? I just did a quick search and came up
with nothing.

Yeah. Their whole art history.
https://bridgecitytools.com/pages/legend-tools

I don't use it but hope it will be worth $1,000,000.00 soon!

I don't think you're quite famous enough (and still alive).
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eddie-van-halen-guitars-auction-1098023/

And I have a 4 piece set of their rules and an angle gauge. The rules
and angfle gauge are probably 27 years old...

Price of tools was So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

Price of tools was So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

On Sun, 06 Dec 2020 07:19:13 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Fri, 04 Dec 2020 14:10:25 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Fri, 04 Dec 2020 08:39:07 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:
[edited]
But the real point of this is to comment on Bridge City Tools
"hand powered table saw."
[... snippage]
Yeah, yeah, and all the usual. "Just take my money!"

On second thought, the base unit is on sale for a mere $799.00
(Regularly $1181.99) With the accessories total cost is $1972.95
(Regularly $2575.94.) Boy do I want, but I already tapped into the
retirement fund ("it was just sitting there.")

From the reading, this is a high end, precision machine. Starting
at $800, it is one of those machines you really need to use a lot to
justify the purchase. I mean, for a weekend hobbyist - well we're not
in it for the money anyway. But as with all Expensive Fine Tools(tm),
the question isn't "How often would this have been handy to have had?"
so much "If I had one, how often would I be able to use it?"

As I look at it, watch the videos, etc, it seems Just The Thing
for someone doing precision cuts, or angled cuts in very thin woods.
It is also quiet, so you can cut boards without waking up the rest of
the house, the neighbors, or disturbing a sleeping shop cat. As I
said, I want one, but I'm going to have to wait for my rich uncle to
get out of the poor house.

I've looked at that in amassment for years. Amazed that anyone would
drop that kind of money on that contraption. Bridge City has some
pretty tools but their purpose is really to fill display cases. I
guess it's no worse than collecting stamps.

Yep. As my father said about objections a donation from a tavern
owner was 'tainted money': "Twice Tainted - t'ain't yours, and t'ain't
enough." But it is their money, so I suppose they can waste it on
fripperies.

On the other hand, Many Years ago, there was a freeze in central
California. Popped the freeze plugs on the boss's son's car. (I
didn't know they even existed.). They could get all but one back in,
but that last one, obviously required a Factory Tool. Said tool was
available.: "only $160." (~1200-1600 today). Nope. They spent the
rest of the day trying to get it back in, gave up and bought the tool.
Not many years after I heard that story, I needed to replace the
wheel on the company issued trailer. Dual axle on bogies. Meaning
that if I jacked one axle up, every thing flexed and I couldn't get
the tire off the ground. After three hours of this, I bit the bullet,
went and rented a floor jack. Took me longer to rent the jack and
return it than it did to change the wheel.

I have a couple of Harbor Freight floor jacks. One in the garage
that's rarely used anymore and one in the shop that's used all the
time. They're too cheap to think about renting one.

Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."
As the guy said in the video which plugged the device: "I haven't
the time to master the Japanese saw and get the skill into my hands."
The point is, yes it is a lot of money. So what? People say that
about a lot of items on the market. I mean, why buy a Dewalt when
Harbor Freight has one "just as good" for a whole lot less?

I'm not a Dewalt fan anymore but there is no way a HF even comes
close. For one-time use, good enough. As a go-to? Not a chance.

"There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make
a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who
consider price only are this man's lawful prey." John Ruskin

I can't see my plunking down $2500 for the kit (or $800 for the
basic saw) because for me, I don't do enough of that sort of work to
rationalize it. (That and I don't have cash on hand. I mean, "here I
am offered The Perfect Tool and They(tm) want me to waste my money on
food, rent, and utilities!")

Toys don't have to be (shouldn't be) justified. "I want" and "I can
afford" are the only considerations, IMO. If I want and I can't
afford, I just wait until the stars align. Delayed gratification is
still gratification. More so since one sleeps better. ;-)

Of course, if I had one, I'd probably use it more often. Much as
when discussing the option to purchase a chipper vs renting "how often
have you needed to use one?" How often would I have done the job if
I'd had one handy?
{Currently, the Mrs & I are talking about using an RV for away
events. Great Idea, and what do we do with it the other 50 weeks of
the year? Yet we know people who have one, because they use it more
than a couple times a year."}

A friend has a class-A motor home. I thought he was nuts buying it
but he lived in it half the year. He's getting older (well...) so has
more trouble driving it so will probably try to sell it soon.

OTOH, Bridge City does have some useful setup tools, though on the
pricey side. I have a couple, like the Kerf Makers.

I'm sure you can get something similar at Harbor Freight. B-)

I haven't seen Kerf Makers at HF.

Price of tools was So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Puckdropper

Price of tools was So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

Puckdropper on Mon, 07 Dec 2020 04:29:01 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Yep.

Doesn't matter if it is shop tools, or things for her kitchen.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Price of tools was So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

Price of tools was So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

Price of tools was So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

Price of tools was So it's been kind of quiet lately ... toolsemi review
 

On 06/12/2020 10:29 pm, Puckdropper wrote:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Puckdropper


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."

Price of tools was So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:19:56 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 06/12/2020 10:29 pm, Puckdropper wrote:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Puckdropper


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."
The only thing worse than not having a tool is having a bad tool.
Irritating, and dangerous

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gray_wolf on Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:19:56 -0600
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On 06/12/2020 10:29 pm, Puckdropper wrote:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Puckdropper


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."

It has also been said "We can't afford to be cost effective." B-)
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

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On 07/12/2020 11:19 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:19:56 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 06/12/2020 10:29 pm, Puckdropper wrote:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Puckdropper


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."
The only thing worse than not having a tool is having a bad tool.
Irritating, and dangerous


Yes, irritating, dangerous and worthless. I never felt bad about about buying
the finer things. I was happy I could afford it. A person needs to have at least
a few high end things in life. Improves your outlook. :-) Starrett, Hasselblad,
Linhof and such.

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On Sun, 06 Dec 2020 22:27:59 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

on Sun, 06 Dec 2020 16:45:54 -0500 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:

"There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make
a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who
consider price only are this man's lawful prey." John Ruskin

I can't see my plunking down $2500 for the kit (or $800 for the
basic saw) because for me, I don't do enough of that sort of work to
rationalize it. (That and I don't have cash on hand. I mean, "here I
am offered The Perfect Tool and They(tm) want me to waste my money on
food, rent, and utilities!")

Toys don't have to be (shouldn't be) justified.

Yep. But right now, well, "What are you going to do with it -
Exactly?" and "Where will it go - exactly?"

SWMBO doesn't want to know. I have 2000 ft^2 of walk-out basement
that's not quite full. ;-)

"I want" and "I can afford" are the only considerations, IMO.

I recall a comment from a family visiting Disneyland. "Dad's as
bad as a little kid."
"Worse - he has his own money."

That's funny. True, but funny.

I've worked for 50 years. It's about time to play.

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On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 04:29:01 GMT, Puckdropper
wrote:

Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Exactly. I was at Peachtree a couple of months ago looking at lathe
chucks (they have a great selection). The sales guy showed me an Easy
Wood chuck and said that it might hurt a lot but it would go away soon
enough.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

No question! I can't tell you how many tools I've replaced along the
line, that while they worked, were in some way painful to use. I
still have a bunch of them. I really should put them on Ebay. Some
have barely been used because I hated them from first use. The PC
bisquick jointer comes to mind, as does a Bosch 1/4 sheet sander.

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On Sun, 06 Dec 2020 22:27:59 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Puckdropper on Mon, 07 Dec 2020 04:29:01 GMT
typed in rec.woodworking the following:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Yep.

Doesn't matter if it is shop tools, or things for her kitchen.

Yep. I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago. The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then. She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500. Festools aren't the only expensive
tools. ;-)

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On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 14:21:06 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 07/12/2020 11:19 am, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:19:56 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 06/12/2020 10:29 pm, Puckdropper wrote:
Grendel was looking to make a beer cooler. He gave the guy at the
shop his parts list, and the guy said "It sounds like you want one of
these ...". How much? "A more than the parts." Grendel says "I'll
take it."

Smart man. I looked at the Kreg jig and said "Oh, I can do that." and
wound up spending 3 times as much. One to get the pieces I'd need, one to
get pieces to fix the problems with the original design, and one to buy the
tool I wanted in the first place.

An old saying here is "cry once." Buy what you want and only cry when you
see the cost. Every subsequent use you'll never cry about how much it
cost, you'll just enjoy it.

Speaking of price of tools, let me reiterate my favorite tool gift advice:
Buy a tool person a single high quality tool rather than multiple standard
quality tools. He'll enjoy using that high quality tool every time he uses
it, but those standard quality tools will just be lost in the noise.

Puckdropper


It's been said "Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten."
The only thing worse than not having a tool is having a bad tool.
Irritating, and dangerous


Yes, irritating, dangerous and worthless. I never felt bad about about buying
the finer things. I was happy I could afford it. A person needs to have at least
a few high end things in life. Improves your outlook. :-) Starrett, Hasselblad,
Linhof and such.

Delta, Festool, Laguna. ;-)

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Price of tools was So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

Price of tools was So it's been kind of quiet lately ... tool semi review
 

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J. Clarke wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I can't hear the difference between a cheap stereo and an expensive
one. Still, I'm looking for a better amp because this blasted thing
trips its overload any time there's a loud noise.


All things are relative. Personally, I don't care for the "Bose"
speakers because they are too smooth for me. Maybe it has something to
do with what one is used to. "Digitally-enhanced music"--Blah!
Give me a steel resonator guitar! : )

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pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper

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On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 01:39:55 -0500, Bill wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I can't hear the difference between a cheap stereo and an expensive
one. Still, I'm looking for a better amp because this blasted thing
trips its overload any time there's a loud noise.


All things are relative. Personally, I don't care for the "Bose"
speakers because they are too smooth for me. Maybe it has something to
do with what one is used to. "Digitally-enhanced music"--Blah!
Give me a steel resonator guitar! : )

I've got a pair of speakers from the late '60s, and a relatively new
set that has rather high ratings. The ones from the '60s have a lot
of bass and no highs, and to me they're what music is supposed to
sound like because that's what I was used to early on.

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On 12/8/2020 7:36 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 01:39:55 -0500, Bill wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I can't hear the difference between a cheap stereo and an expensive
one. Still, I'm looking for a better amp because this blasted thing
trips its overload any time there's a loud noise.


All things are relative. Personally, I don't care for the "Bose"
speakers because they are too smooth for me. Maybe it has something to
do with what one is used to. "Digitally-enhanced music"--Blah!
Give me a steel resonator guitar! : )

I've got a pair of speakers from the late '60s, and a relatively new
set that has rather high ratings. The ones from the '60s have a lot
of bass and no highs, and to me they're what music is supposed to
sound like because that's what I was used to early on.




What was in fashion and goes out, comes back. A lot of bass is what
Rappers use.

I have bass and mid range and treble. I prefer crisp clean sound.

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On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~) We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013. The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty. The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.

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Puckdropper writes:
wrote in
:


Yep. I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago. The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then. She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500. Festools aren't the only expensive
tools. ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

All-clad are stainless steel with a copper core for more even heat
transmission. The copper does not come into direct contact with food.

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Bill writes:
J. Clarke wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I can't hear the difference between a cheap stereo and an expensive
one. Still, I'm looking for a better amp because this blasted thing
trips its overload any time there's a loud noise.


All things are relative. Personally, I don't care for the "Bose"

No highs, No Lows, must be Bose.

901s were one of the more overrated speakers.

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Bill writes:
J. Clarke wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I can't hear the difference between a cheap stereo and an expensive
one. Still, I'm looking for a better amp because this blasted thing
trips its overload any time there's a loud noise.


All things are relative. Personally, I don't care for the "Bose"
speakers because they are too smooth for me. Maybe it has something to
do with what one is used to. "Digitally-enhanced music"--Blah!
Give me a steel resonator guitar! : )

I've used these as my primary speakers now for the past decade. Highly
recommended.

https://www.magnepan.com/model_MMG

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Leon wrote:
On 12/8/2020 2:26 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo.Â*Â* Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning.Â* The picture still looked good enough for me.Â* Now
everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper


;~)Â* We bought a 40" flatscreen hi def TV about 13 years ago for $2.2k.

My wife thought that was too big.

Then a 70" Sharp TV in 2013.Â* The first did not last a year and was
replaced under warranty.Â* The second did not last 2 weeks.

My wife thought that was too big.

So we went with a 65" Samsung and still have it.

My wife thinks it is too small.


Well, you can probably get a 70 or 75" one now for less than you paid
for the 65-incher. I remember looking at the 20-30" LED versions at
Sears for $3K. One of the reasons for the "bargains", of course, is
that the manufacturers are subsidizing the price by selling your viewing
data.

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Puckdropper wrote:
pyotr filipivich wrote in
:


Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo. Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I held on to standard definition TVs for a long time with that exact
reasoning. The picture still looked good enough for me. Now everything's
gone hi-def and the new TVs are worth it.

Puckdropper



Apple's new headphones: Just $549.
(I'm not an Apple fan)

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On 08/12/2020 12:39 am, Bill wrote:
J. Clarke wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Â*Â*Â*Â*Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo.Â*Â* Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I can't hear the difference between a cheap stereo and an expensive
one.Â* Still, I'm looking for a better amp because this blasted thing
trips its overload any time there's a loud noise.


All things are relative.Â* Personally, I don't care for the "Bose" speakers
because they are too smooth for me.Â* Maybe it has something to do with what one
is used to.Â* "Digitally-enhanced music"--Blah!
Give me a steel resonator guitar!Â* : )


https://youtu.be/bQzIztvRvjw : )

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On 08/12/2020 8:24 am, Leon wrote:
On 12/8/2020 7:36 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 01:39:55 -0500, Bill wrote:

J. Clarke wrote:
On Mon, 07 Dec 2020 21:14:19 -0800, pyotr filipivich

Â*Â*Â*Â*Other end is what my Dad said about stereos: if you have a ten
dollar ear, no sense buying a hundred dollar stereo.Â*Â* Of course, he
said that a long time ago.

I can't hear the difference between a cheap stereo and an expensive
one.Â* Still, I'm looking for a better amp because this blasted thing
trips its overload any time there's a loud noise.


All things are relative.Â* Personally, I don't care for the "Bose"
speakers because they are too smooth for me.Â* Maybe it has something to
do with what one is used to.Â* "Digitally-enhanced music"--Blah!
Give me a steel resonator guitar!Â* : )

I've got a pair of speakers from the late '60s, and a relatively new
set that has rather high ratings.Â* The ones from the '60s have a lot
of bass and no highs, and to me they're what music is supposed to
sound like because that's what I was used to early on.




What was in fashion and goes out, comes back.Â* A lot of bass is what Rappers use.

I have bass and mid range and treble.Â* I prefer crisp clean sound.

High end JBL are a good start. :-)

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On 08/12/2020 8:50 am, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Puckdropper writes:
wrote in
:


Yep. I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago. The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then. She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500. Festools aren't the only expensive
tools. ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

All-clad are stainless steel with a copper core for more even heat
transmission. The copper does not come into direct contact with food.


Doesn't cast iron work well?

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On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 11:28:37 -0600, gray_wolf
wrote:

On 08/12/2020 8:50 am, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Puckdropper writes:
wrote in
:


Yep. I bought her All Clad Copper-Core cookware, over a few years,
about ten years ago. The ye were about $300 per pan but they're just
as good today as they were then. She just bought a set of Japanese
steel knives for about $1500. Festools aren't the only expensive
tools. ;-)


I heard somewhere that sauces in copper pots don't need a lot of stirring.
Have you or your wife noticed anything like that?

All-clad are stainless steel with a copper core for more even heat
transmission. The copper does not come into direct contact with food.


Doesn't cast iron work well?

It does but it's high maintenance. And heavy.