On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 9:00:28 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 06 May 2018 16:42:04 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

DerbyDad03 writes:
On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 10:40:43 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 4 May 2018 17:48:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 7:44:35 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 4 May 2018 03:59:13 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 10:53:01 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
on Thu, 03 May 2018 22:41:25 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 03 May 2018 17:06:19 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Electric Comet on Thu, 3 May 2018
09:06:30 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:33:30 -0700
pyotr filipivich wrote:

One option is paint.
good idea
maybe even a uv stable clear coat would do
but even that can backfire as some plastics will not take a finish

Then don't get that model.

Or just budget for another cheap replacement down the road.

depends on the recipient and the use

better for it to last long and not need frequent replacement

Like shoes - you can buy a pair at Walmart for 17.88 and replace
them in four months. Or you can buy a better pair for $35 and replace
them in a year. (Or, buy two pair, alternate them daily, and replace
them in a year and four months)

Or, you can pay $150 and be able to actually walk for a year.

I shelled out for two pairs of Durashocks, alternated them, they
lasted years.
Then the day I needed gym shoes - walmart had them for 17.88. As
I wear them for at most two hours three times a week - they are
"lasting" a long time.

I can't
imagine a $20 pair of shoes even fitting on my dogs.

It's a "sermon illustration".

The reality is- if you buy two pair of shoes and alternate them,
they will last longer than if you buy one pair, wear them till they
'die', and then buy a second pair.

What your definition of "last longer"? Is it based on time or usage?

They won't last any longer based on usage. They'll both wear out after the same number
of steps, all else being equal. Alternate them or not, you'll double the number of steps
compared to having only one pair, but neither one lasted "longer" from a usage perspective.

The real advantages of buying 2 pairs are the cost (because of inflation) and the guarantee that
that that exact shoe will be "available" for longer than it might be otherwise.

Not really. Alternating shoes will allow them to dry completely,
between wearings.

Not counting walking through puddles, how long does it take for a pair of shoes to dry out
after a "normal" wearing session?

It depends on a lot of factors but it does take a while. There isn't
a lot of air flow inside a shoe.

"A while" doesn't help move the discussion forward.

When I was project manager for a Fortune 500 company, I learned very quickly
that "not too long", "not much", "fairly soon", etc. were not answers that were
going to move your career along. People can't make decisions or plan budgets
with nebulous answers like that.

If "a while" means it takes 18 hours for a pair of work shoes to dry, then
maybe a person shouldn't wear them 2 days in a row. However, if "a while" is
8 - 10 hours, then they'll most likely be dry by the time you need them the
next day.

How long is "a while" when it come to shoes drying?

Well, that would depend on the ambient humidity.

How wet the shoes are, the amount of padding in the shoes, the
size/shape of the shoe, wind (direction and speed), and probably a
dozen other variables.

So, in other words, it's not a given that buying 2 pairs of shoes and
alternating them will make them each last longer than they would if worn
every day. That process only helps in situations where the shoes do not
dry out in time to be worn the next day.

On Sun, 6 May 2018 19:31:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 9:00:28 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 06 May 2018 16:42:04 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

DerbyDad03 writes:
On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 10:40:43 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 4 May 2018 17:48:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 7:44:35 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 4 May 2018 03:59:13 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 10:53:01 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
on Thu, 03 May 2018 22:41:25 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 03 May 2018 17:06:19 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Electric Comet on Thu, 3 May 2018
09:06:30 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:33:30 -0700
pyotr filipivich wrote:

One option is paint.
good idea
maybe even a uv stable clear coat would do
but even that can backfire as some plastics will not take a finish

Then don't get that model.

Or just budget for another cheap replacement down the road.

depends on the recipient and the use

better for it to last long and not need frequent replacement

Like shoes - you can buy a pair at Walmart for 17.88 and replace
them in four months. Or you can buy a better pair for $35 and replace
them in a year. (Or, buy two pair, alternate them daily, and replace
them in a year and four months)

Or, you can pay $150 and be able to actually walk for a year.

I shelled out for two pairs of Durashocks, alternated them, they
lasted years.
Then the day I needed gym shoes - walmart had them for 17.88. As
I wear them for at most two hours three times a week - they are
"lasting" a long time.

I can't
imagine a $20 pair of shoes even fitting on my dogs.

It's a "sermon illustration".

The reality is- if you buy two pair of shoes and alternate them,
they will last longer than if you buy one pair, wear them till they
'die', and then buy a second pair.

What your definition of "last longer"? Is it based on time or usage?

They won't last any longer based on usage. They'll both wear out after the same number
of steps, all else being equal. Alternate them or not, you'll double the number of steps
compared to having only one pair, but neither one lasted "longer" from a usage perspective.

The real advantages of buying 2 pairs are the cost (because of inflation) and the guarantee that
that that exact shoe will be "available" for longer than it might be otherwise.

Not really. Alternating shoes will allow them to dry completely,
between wearings.

Not counting walking through puddles, how long does it take for a pair of shoes to dry out
after a "normal" wearing session?

It depends on a lot of factors but it does take a while. There isn't
a lot of air flow inside a shoe.

"A while" doesn't help move the discussion forward.

When I was project manager for a Fortune 500 company, I learned very quickly
that "not too long", "not much", "fairly soon", etc. were not answers that were
going to move your career along. People can't make decisions or plan budgets
with nebulous answers like that.

If "a while" means it takes 18 hours for a pair of work shoes to dry, then
maybe a person shouldn't wear them 2 days in a row. However, if "a while" is
8 - 10 hours, then they'll most likely be dry by the time you need them the
next day.

How long is "a while" when it come to shoes drying?

Well, that would depend on the ambient humidity.

How wet the shoes are, the amount of padding in the shoes, the
size/shape of the shoe, wind (direction and speed), and probably a
dozen other variables.

So, in other words, it's not a given that buying 2 pairs of shoes and
alternating them will make them each last longer than they would if worn
every day. That process only helps in situations where the shoes do not
dry out in time to be worn the next day.

That is the failure vector, yes. "Two days" allows about three times
the drying time as overnight.

BTW, they make shoe trees with small fans in them to help dry shoes
(boots).

On Sun, 06 May 2018 22:43:48 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 6 May 2018 19:31:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 9:00:28 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 06 May 2018 16:42:04 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

DerbyDad03 writes:
On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 10:40:43 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 4 May 2018 17:48:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 7:44:35 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 4 May 2018 03:59:13 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 10:53:01 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
on Thu, 03 May 2018 22:41:25 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 03 May 2018 17:06:19 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Electric Comet on Thu, 3 May 2018
09:06:30 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:33:30 -0700
pyotr filipivich wrote:

One option is paint.
good idea
maybe even a uv stable clear coat would do
but even that can backfire as some plastics will not take a finish

Then don't get that model.

Or just budget for another cheap replacement down the road.

depends on the recipient and the use

better for it to last long and not need frequent replacement

Like shoes - you can buy a pair at Walmart for 17.88 and replace
them in four months. Or you can buy a better pair for $35 and replace
them in a year. (Or, buy two pair, alternate them daily, and replace
them in a year and four months)

Or, you can pay $150 and be able to actually walk for a year.

I shelled out for two pairs of Durashocks, alternated them, they
lasted years.
Then the day I needed gym shoes - walmart had them for 17.88. As
I wear them for at most two hours three times a week - they are
"lasting" a long time.

I can't
imagine a $20 pair of shoes even fitting on my dogs.

It's a "sermon illustration".

The reality is- if you buy two pair of shoes and alternate them,
they will last longer than if you buy one pair, wear them till they
'die', and then buy a second pair.

What your definition of "last longer"? Is it based on time or usage?

They won't last any longer based on usage. They'll both wear out after the same number
of steps, all else being equal. Alternate them or not, you'll double the number of steps
compared to having only one pair, but neither one lasted "longer" from a usage perspective.

The real advantages of buying 2 pairs are the cost (because of inflation) and the guarantee that
that that exact shoe will be "available" for longer than it might be otherwise.

Not really. Alternating shoes will allow them to dry completely,
between wearings.

Not counting walking through puddles, how long does it take for a pair of shoes to dry out
after a "normal" wearing session?

It depends on a lot of factors but it does take a while. There isn't
a lot of air flow inside a shoe.

"A while" doesn't help move the discussion forward.

When I was project manager for a Fortune 500 company, I learned very quickly
that "not too long", "not much", "fairly soon", etc. were not answers that were
going to move your career along. People can't make decisions or plan budgets
with nebulous answers like that.

If "a while" means it takes 18 hours for a pair of work shoes to dry, then
maybe a person shouldn't wear them 2 days in a row. However, if "a while" is
8 - 10 hours, then they'll most likely be dry by the time you need them the
next day.

How long is "a while" when it come to shoes drying?

Well, that would depend on the ambient humidity.

How wet the shoes are, the amount of padding in the shoes, the
size/shape of the shoe, wind (direction and speed), and probably a
dozen other variables.

So, in other words, it's not a given that buying 2 pairs of shoes and
alternating them will make them each last longer than they would if worn
every day. That process only helps in situations where the shoes do not
dry out in time to be worn the next day.

That is the failure vector, yes. "Two days" allows about three times
the drying time as overnight.

BTW, they make shoe trees with small fans in them to help dry shoes
(boots).


Just tack this thing and some compress air you should be able to dry
them out in a hurry.

https://carbondale.craigslist.org/tl...581542976.html

On Sun, 06 May 2018 23:52:41 -0500, Markem
wrote:

On Sun, 06 May 2018 22:43:48 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 6 May 2018 19:31:45 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Sunday, May 6, 2018 at 9:00:28 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sun, 06 May 2018 16:42:04 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

DerbyDad03 writes:
On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 10:40:43 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 4 May 2018 17:48:20 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 7:44:35 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 4 May 2018 03:59:13 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote:

On Thursday, May 3, 2018 at 10:53:01 PM UTC-4, pyotr filipivich wrote:
on Thu, 03 May 2018 22:41:25 -0400 typed in
rec.woodworking the following:
On Thu, 03 May 2018 17:06:19 -0700, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

Electric Comet on Thu, 3 May 2018
09:06:30 -0700 typed in rec.woodworking the following:
On Mon, 30 Apr 2018 18:33:30 -0700
pyotr filipivich wrote:

One option is paint.
good idea
maybe even a uv stable clear coat would do
but even that can backfire as some plastics will not take a finish

Then don't get that model.

Or just budget for another cheap replacement down the road.

depends on the recipient and the use

better for it to last long and not need frequent replacement

Like shoes - you can buy a pair at Walmart for 17.88 and replace
them in four months. Or you can buy a better pair for $35 and replace
them in a year. (Or, buy two pair, alternate them daily, and replace
them in a year and four months)

Or, you can pay $150 and be able to actually walk for a year.

I shelled out for two pairs of Durashocks, alternated them, they
lasted years.
Then the day I needed gym shoes - walmart had them for 17.88. As
I wear them for at most two hours three times a week - they are
"lasting" a long time.

I can't
imagine a $20 pair of shoes even fitting on my dogs.

It's a "sermon illustration".

The reality is- if you buy two pair of shoes and alternate them,
they will last longer than if you buy one pair, wear them till they
'die', and then buy a second pair.

What your definition of "last longer"? Is it based on time or usage?

They won't last any longer based on usage. They'll both wear out after the same number
of steps, all else being equal. Alternate them or not, you'll double the number of steps
compared to having only one pair, but neither one lasted "longer" from a usage perspective.

The real advantages of buying 2 pairs are the cost (because of inflation) and the guarantee that
that that exact shoe will be "available" for longer than it might be otherwise.

Not really. Alternating shoes will allow them to dry completely,
between wearings.

Not counting walking through puddles, how long does it take for a pair of shoes to dry out
after a "normal" wearing session?

It depends on a lot of factors but it does take a while. There isn't
a lot of air flow inside a shoe.

"A while" doesn't help move the discussion forward.

When I was project manager for a Fortune 500 company, I learned very quickly
that "not too long", "not much", "fairly soon", etc. were not answers that were
going to move your career along. People can't make decisions or plan budgets
with nebulous answers like that.

If "a while" means it takes 18 hours for a pair of work shoes to dry, then
maybe a person shouldn't wear them 2 days in a row. However, if "a while" is
8 - 10 hours, then they'll most likely be dry by the time you need them the
next day.

How long is "a while" when it come to shoes drying?

Well, that would depend on the ambient humidity.

How wet the shoes are, the amount of padding in the shoes, the
size/shape of the shoe, wind (direction and speed), and probably a
dozen other variables.

So, in other words, it's not a given that buying 2 pairs of shoes and
alternating them will make them each last longer than they would if worn
every day. That process only helps in situations where the shoes do not
dry out in time to be worn the next day.

That is the failure vector, yes. "Two days" allows about three times
the drying time as overnight.

BTW, they make shoe trees with small fans in them to help dry shoes
(boots).


Just tack this thing and some compress air you should be able to dry
them out in a hurry.

https://carbondale.craigslist.org/tl...581542976.html

Or use your wife's hair dryer, on low, for a lot less money and faster
as well.