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On Sat, 38 Mar 1436 28:29:30 +03000 (UTC) wrote:
Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? i think it is an amc pacer |
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Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? i think it is an amc pacer Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. John T. |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:46:41 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:42:47 -0400 wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price I used to own one, and you'd be surprised how comfortable they were. A whole lot MORE comfortable with A/C, mind you!! The greenhouse had more glass than a '61 new yorker station wagon!!! We actually rallied the "fishbowl" a couple times early in our first season while we were "getting the kinks out of" the R12.. The K frame made a pretty good road grader, from what I remember!!! The 232 was a bit weak for a car of that heft - the 258 was better - the 304 was too heavy. |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:46:41 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:42:47 -0400 wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:11:26 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:50:05 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:09:35 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:46:41 -0700, Electric Comet wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:42:47 -0400 wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! Ours was a 232 but the engine was the only part of the car that didn't have a problem. Everything from the alternator to the window frames broke in the first few months. The dash was warped so badly that the glove box door wouldn't close properly. The brakes were crap, as was the clutch, drive shaft, and pretty much everything else. The only thing worse than the car was the dealer and the manufacturer. Pure junk. I'd say your dealer was your biggest problem. The ones that had the prestolite alternators did have some regulator problems. AMC actually made some pretty good stuff. |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:18:24 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:11:26 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:50:05 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:09:35 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:46:41 -0700, Electric Comet wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:42:47 -0400 wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! Ours was a 232 but the engine was the only part of the car that didn't have a problem. Everything from the alternator to the window frames broke in the first few months. The dash was warped so badly that the glove box door wouldn't close properly. The brakes were crap, as was the clutch, drive shaft, and pretty much everything else. The only thing worse than the car was the dealer and the manufacturer. Pure junk. I'd say your dealer was your biggest problem. The ones that had the prestolite alternators did have some regulator problems. AMC actually made some pretty good stuff. The original electrical problem was in the brushes. One was sheared clean off somehow. It took everything else with it. The dealer blamed it on someone shorting a spark plug, of all asinine arguments to not fix it. Oh, and I forgot the extra nut in the front brake *drum*. It really chewed the crap out of the brake when it broke loose. Of course the dealer AND AMC wouldn't believe the nut did the damage. It didn't. All the rest of the stuff it knocked loose (self adjusting stuff) did the damage. Yes, the dealer sucked but AMC wasn't any better and the car was absolute crap. It didn't last three years and the problem wasn't rust. |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:24:42 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:18:24 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:11:26 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:50:05 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:09:35 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:46:41 -0700, Electric Comet wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:42:47 -0400 wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! Ours was a 232 but the engine was the only part of the car that didn't have a problem. Everything from the alternator to the window frames broke in the first few months. The dash was warped so badly that the glove box door wouldn't close properly. The brakes were crap, as was the clutch, drive shaft, and pretty much everything else. The only thing worse than the car was the dealer and the manufacturer. Pure junk. I'd say your dealer was your biggest problem. The ones that had the prestolite alternators did have some regulator problems. AMC actually made some pretty good stuff. The original electrical problem was in the brushes. One was sheared clean off somehow. It took everything else with it. The dealer blamed it on someone shorting a spark plug, of all asinine arguments to not fix it. Oh, and I forgot the extra nut in the front brake *drum*. It really chewed the crap out of the brake when it broke loose. Of course the dealer AND AMC wouldn't believe the nut did the damage. It didn't. All the rest of the stuff it knocked loose (self adjusting stuff) did the damage. Yes, the dealer sucked but AMC wasn't any better and the car was absolute crap. It didn't last three years and the problem wasn't rust. Your problem was your dealer - pure and simple. Yes, thewre were some assembly problem issues (due to labour problems) but a properly done pre-delivery service solved the vast majority of them - and the dealer was paid to perform that inspection/service. It was not out of the ordinary to spend over 2 hours on a PDI - and the dealer was paid for something like 3 hours. Ford and Chrysler had every bit as many problems in those years - and GM? They've ALWAYS had issues.. Toyota and Honda had their issues back then too.(as did Datsun - and VW. When they say "they don't make 'em like they used to" i say "THANK GOD!!!" |
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Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) http://www.hotrod.com/articles/red-w...rebel-machine/ Previous owner a friend & AMX fan had it painted black and kept the stripe pattern but made it a white stripe - it looked pretty good, John T. |
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On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote:
Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. http://www.hotrod.com/articles/red-w...rebel-machine/ Previous owner a friend & AMX fan had it painted black and kept the stripe pattern but made it a white stripe - it looked pretty good, John T. |
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Now something like a 1.0 liter Chevy Sprint or Pontiac Firefly with a 35+ lb flywheel COULD break 'em loose if you dumped the clutch at about half throttle - just the inertia of the flywheel produced significantly more instantaneous torque than the engine - - - But they didn't spin for long. http://www.hotrod.com/articles/red-w...rebel-machine/ Previous owner a friend & AMX fan had it painted black and kept the stripe pattern but made it a white stripe - it looked pretty good, John T. |
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 22:42:48 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote: wrote in news:lcu8dc1fcbhpfdd1i213prqgk9r3m0i0on@ 4ax.com: I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. Well, yes and no. They had some good engineering, but production quality was all over the map - sometimes great, sometimes abysmal - perhaps not worse than GM et al, but not different enough to be called "good". Friend of mine had a pair of AMXs - a 69 with a 390 that he used for drag racing, and a 70 with the 360 that was his daily driver - at least, when he wasn't rebuilding the transmission (the 4 speed manual was a bit underspec'd for that engine, and ate first gear fairly regularly). He had a long list of stuff he'd fixed on both cars when they were new, but after correcting all the factory mistakes he figured they were good cars. John The AMC V8s are some of the most under-appreciated engines of the sixties and seventies in North America - both as far as reliability and performance. Our family owned a fair number of "rumblers" - a 62 American, a '63 or '64 classic, '66 Classic, 68 Rebel wagon, 72 or '73 Ambassador wagon and '75 Pacer. Dad owned the American, and my brother inherited it, Dad owned the rebel, my sister owned the 63/64, I owned the 66 and the Pacer. All were bought used - the rebel was sold as a demonstrator but we found out it was a Budget Rent-a-car - all the rest were well used and abused. The 62 was a bell telephone car that dad bought and used as a truck for his electrical business. He traded it in on something else, and ended up buying it again about a year later. Couldn't kill that miserable beast - as ugly as they come. |
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In article jvcbdctuaks93ea6b2cbfkpc160iu2rbnd@
4ax.com, says... On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Now something like a 1.0 liter Chevy Sprint or Pontiac Firefly with a 35+ lb flywheel COULD break 'em loose if you dumped the clutch at about half throttle - just the inertia of the flywheel produced significantly more instantaneous torque than the engine - - - But they didn't spin for long. What was annoying was a small block V-8 with powerglide and a high ratio rear end. My mothers Olds would burn rubber at the drop of a hat--if there was even the slightest bit of moisture on the road it was difficult to get it to start moving. Finally caught up with me one rainy afternoon--went to cross an intersection, nothing in sight as far as I could see in either direction, and there I was a quarter of the way across spinning the wheel like all getout and not moving at all when some guy hit me. Of course the cop thought I had run the stop sign and there was no convincing him otherwise. |
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:34:37 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: In article jvcbdctuaks93ea6b2cbfkpc160iu2rbnd@ 4ax.com, says... On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Now something like a 1.0 liter Chevy Sprint or Pontiac Firefly with a 35+ lb flywheel COULD break 'em loose if you dumped the clutch at about half throttle - just the inertia of the flywheel produced significantly more instantaneous torque than the engine - - - But they didn't spin for long. What was annoying was a small block V-8 with powerglide and a high ratio rear end. My mothers Olds would burn rubber at the drop of a hat--if there was even the slightest bit of moisture on the road it was difficult to get it to start moving. Finally caught up with me one rainy afternoon--went to cross an intersection, nothing in sight as far as I could see in either direction, and there I was a quarter of the way across spinning the wheel like all getout and not moving at all when some guy hit me. Of course the cop thought I had run the stop sign and there was no convincing him otherwise. That was more a function of really crappy tires than horsepower - particularly going through a "slip and slide powerglide" - and to the best of my knowlege NO oldsmobile came from the factory with a powerglide.. By the time GM was putting "corporate' engines into Oldsmobiles the "powerslide" was history - The chevy smallblock first arrived in Olds cars in about 1977. the last Powerglide slush pump was built in 1973. Olds used Hydra-Matic transmissions - and the 3 speed Turbo Hydra-matic replaced the 2 speed Powerglide in Chevies. by 1974. Replacing the powerglide with a TH250 in an early Chevy 11 Nova made a HUGE performance improvement.. |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:53:04 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:24:42 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:18:24 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:11:26 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:50:05 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:09:35 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:46:41 -0700, Electric Comet wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:42:47 -0400 wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! Ours was a 232 but the engine was the only part of the car that didn't have a problem. Everything from the alternator to the window frames broke in the first few months. The dash was warped so badly that the glove box door wouldn't close properly. The brakes were crap, as was the clutch, drive shaft, and pretty much everything else. The only thing worse than the car was the dealer and the manufacturer. Pure junk. I'd say your dealer was your biggest problem. The ones that had the prestolite alternators did have some regulator problems. AMC actually made some pretty good stuff. The original electrical problem was in the brushes. One was sheared clean off somehow. It took everything else with it. The dealer blamed it on someone shorting a spark plug, of all asinine arguments to not fix it. Oh, and I forgot the extra nut in the front brake *drum*. It really chewed the crap out of the brake when it broke loose. Of course the dealer AND AMC wouldn't believe the nut did the damage. It didn't. All the rest of the stuff it knocked loose (self adjusting stuff) did the damage. Yes, the dealer sucked but AMC wasn't any better and the car was absolute crap. It didn't last three years and the problem wasn't rust. Your problem was your dealer - pure and simple. Yes, thewre were some assembly problem issues (due to labour problems) but a properly done pre-delivery service solved the vast majority of them - and the dealer was paid to perform that inspection/service. It was not out of the ordinary to spend over 2 hours on a PDI - and the dealer was paid for something like 3 hours. Ford and Chrysler had every bit as many problems in those years - and GM? They've ALWAYS had issues.. Toyota and Honda had their issues back then too.(as did Datsun - and VW. The dealer was crap, for sure, but the company behind them wasn't any better (and the workers, probably not up to that level)... When they say "they don't make 'em like they used to" i say "THANK GOD!!!" +(can't count that high) |
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On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 23:09:23 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:53:04 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:24:42 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:18:24 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 22:11:26 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:50:05 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:09:35 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 14:46:41 -0700, Electric Comet wrote: On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 17:42:47 -0400 wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! Ours was a 232 but the engine was the only part of the car that didn't have a problem. Everything from the alternator to the window frames broke in the first few months. The dash was warped so badly that the glove box door wouldn't close properly. The brakes were crap, as was the clutch, drive shaft, and pretty much everything else. The only thing worse than the car was the dealer and the manufacturer. Pure junk. I'd say your dealer was your biggest problem. The ones that had the prestolite alternators did have some regulator problems. AMC actually made some pretty good stuff. The original electrical problem was in the brushes. One was sheared clean off somehow. It took everything else with it. The dealer blamed it on someone shorting a spark plug, of all asinine arguments to not fix it. Oh, and I forgot the extra nut in the front brake *drum*. It really chewed the crap out of the brake when it broke loose. Of course the dealer AND AMC wouldn't believe the nut did the damage. It didn't. All the rest of the stuff it knocked loose (self adjusting stuff) did the damage. Yes, the dealer sucked but AMC wasn't any better and the car was absolute crap. It didn't last three years and the problem wasn't rust. Your problem was your dealer - pure and simple. Yes, thewre were some assembly problem issues (due to labour problems) but a properly done pre-delivery service solved the vast majority of them - and the dealer was paid to perform that inspection/service. It was not out of the ordinary to spend over 2 hours on a PDI - and the dealer was paid for something like 3 hours. Ford and Chrysler had every bit as many problems in those years - and GM? They've ALWAYS had issues.. Toyota and Honda had their issues back then too.(as did Datsun - and VW. The dealer was crap, for sure, but the company behind them wasn't any better (and the workers, probably not up to that level)... When they say "they don't make 'em like they used to" i say "THANK GOD!!!" +(can't count that high) Well, I worked for an AMC dealer in '72, and American Motors Canada went the extra mile for their dealers to satisfy the customers. Labour problems affected build quality - mostly in fit and finish - things like ball bearings or bolts welded into closed body chanels (the fix I devised was to drill a hole and shoot the channel full of undercoating to glue the nut or bearing in place) and beer cans inside tires. AMC paid what was required to fix those problems. |
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4ax.com, says... On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:34:37 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article jvcbdctuaks93ea6b2cbfkpc160iu2rbnd@ 4ax.com, says... On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Now something like a 1.0 liter Chevy Sprint or Pontiac Firefly with a 35+ lb flywheel COULD break 'em loose if you dumped the clutch at about half throttle - just the inertia of the flywheel produced significantly more instantaneous torque than the engine - - - But they didn't spin for long. What was annoying was a small block V-8 with powerglide and a high ratio rear end. My mothers Olds would burn rubber at the drop of a hat--if there was even the slightest bit of moisture on the road it was difficult to get it to start moving. Finally caught up with me one rainy afternoon--went to cross an intersection, nothing in sight as far as I could see in either direction, and there I was a quarter of the way across spinning the wheel like all getout and not moving at all when some guy hit me. Of course the cop thought I had run the stop sign and there was no convincing him otherwise. That was more a function of really crappy tires than horsepower - particularly going through a "slip and slide powerglide" - and to the best of my knowlege NO oldsmobile came from the factory with a powerglide.. By the time GM was putting "corporate' engines into Oldsmobiles the "powerslide" was history - The chevy smallblock first arrived in Olds cars in about 1977. the last Powerglide slush pump was built in 1973. Olds used Hydra-Matic transmissions - and the 3 speed Turbo Hydra-matic replaced the 2 speed Powerglide in Chevies. by 1974. Replacing the powerglide with a TH250 in an early Chevy 11 Nova made a HUGE performance improvement.. Thank you for providing a Mona Lisa Vito-worthy automotive infodump. However Mona's boyfriend would have first ascertained such particulars as he could before turning Miss Vito loose on the court. And in this case it was a 1968 Cutlass. However I do see the source of my confusion, I did not realize that GM had foisted two DIFFERENT 2-speed automatic abominations on the world. As for the "corporate" engine, no, it did not have a Chevrolet engine, it had Oldsmobile's quite adequate 350--"small block" is not restricted to Chevrolet. I agree that the tires were at least part of the issue, however after that relatively minor fender bender (one tiny piece of trim on the Olds bent) my mother decided to sell it instead of doing something sensible like putting a set of Michelins on it. |
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 00:38:38 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: In article eclbdc1r3l4l8nm3cvmop230gg6tkmclrq@ 4ax.com, says... On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:34:37 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article jvcbdctuaks93ea6b2cbfkpc160iu2rbnd@ 4ax.com, says... On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Now something like a 1.0 liter Chevy Sprint or Pontiac Firefly with a 35+ lb flywheel COULD break 'em loose if you dumped the clutch at about half throttle - just the inertia of the flywheel produced significantly more instantaneous torque than the engine - - - But they didn't spin for long. What was annoying was a small block V-8 with powerglide and a high ratio rear end. My mothers Olds would burn rubber at the drop of a hat--if there was even the slightest bit of moisture on the road it was difficult to get it to start moving. Finally caught up with me one rainy afternoon--went to cross an intersection, nothing in sight as far as I could see in either direction, and there I was a quarter of the way across spinning the wheel like all getout and not moving at all when some guy hit me. Of course the cop thought I had run the stop sign and there was no convincing him otherwise. That was more a function of really crappy tires than horsepower - particularly going through a "slip and slide powerglide" - and to the best of my knowlege NO oldsmobile came from the factory with a powerglide.. By the time GM was putting "corporate' engines into Oldsmobiles the "powerslide" was history - The chevy smallblock first arrived in Olds cars in about 1977. the last Powerglide slush pump was built in 1973. Olds used Hydra-Matic transmissions - and the 3 speed Turbo Hydra-matic replaced the 2 speed Powerglide in Chevies. by 1974. Replacing the powerglide with a TH250 in an early Chevy 11 Nova made a HUGE performance improvement.. Thank you for providing a Mona Lisa Vito-worthy automotive infodump. However Mona's boyfriend would have first ascertained such particulars as he could before turning Miss Vito loose on the court. And in this case it was a 1968 Cutlass. However I do see the source of my confusion, I did not realize that GM had foisted two DIFFERENT 2-speed automatic abominations on the world. As for the "corporate" engine, no, it did not have a Chevrolet engine, it had Oldsmobile's quite adequate 350--"small block" is not restricted to Chevrolet. I agree that the tires were at least part of the issue, however after that relatively minor fender bender (one tiny piece of trim on the Olds bent) my mother decided to sell it instead of doing something sensible like putting a set of Michelins on it. That critter had a "jet-away" transmission -which had a dual stage converter - also called a "switch pitch" which made it act more like a 3 or 4 speed automatic than a powerglide. - it had 2 planetary ratios and 2 converter "ratios". Thepowerglide has 2 planetary ratios and that's all. The Jet-away WOULD burn the tires with a 350 rocket if it was set up right. It would start in low with the highg pitch converter, then "upshift" the converter, before finally shifting into high (sometimes downshifting the converter to give the effect of a 4 speed ) The car would have had E or F78-14 tires from the factory (roughly a 200-70 in P Metric) G78 or H70 tires would hold a lot better, particularly with the right rubber, and a lot of guys used L70-14 or L60-15s on the w31 and 442. Belteds stuck better than straight bias plies - Firestone Wide Ovals were popular - and BF Goodrich TAs were a good upgrade with a lot better traction. |
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On 3/24/2017 7:09 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Yes with the stock 4 banger, A70-13 Firestones. Well there were 2 versions of the stock Vega engine. One had a different cam. Still about 92 HP. Because of the coil springs in the back I got all kinds of wheel hop if I was not careful. If you start with enough enough RPM's you could easily spin the tires. |
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On 3/24/2017 8:34 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article jvcbdctuaks93ea6b2cbfkpc160iu2rbnd@ 4ax.com, says... On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Now something like a 1.0 liter Chevy Sprint or Pontiac Firefly with a 35+ lb flywheel COULD break 'em loose if you dumped the clutch at about half throttle - just the inertia of the flywheel produced significantly more instantaneous torque than the engine - - - But they didn't spin for long. What was annoying was a small block V-8 with powerglide and a high ratio rear end. My mothers Olds would burn rubber at the drop of a hat--if there was even the slightest bit of moisture on the road it was difficult to get it to start moving. Finally caught up with me one rainy afternoon--went to cross an intersection, nothing in sight as far as I could see in either direction, and there I was a quarter of the way across spinning the wheel like all getout and not moving at all when some guy hit me. Of course the cop thought I had run the stop sign and there was no convincing him otherwise. Radial Tires eleminate most of that problem. Old biased ply tires were horrible on wet surfaces especially adphault surfaces. |
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On 3/25/2017 12:26 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 00:38:38 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article eclbdc1r3l4l8nm3cvmop230gg6tkmclrq@ 4ax.com, says... On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:34:37 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article jvcbdctuaks93ea6b2cbfkpc160iu2rbnd@ 4ax.com, says... On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Now something like a 1.0 liter Chevy Sprint or Pontiac Firefly with a 35+ lb flywheel COULD break 'em loose if you dumped the clutch at about half throttle - just the inertia of the flywheel produced significantly more instantaneous torque than the engine - - - But they didn't spin for long. What was annoying was a small block V-8 with powerglide and a high ratio rear end. My mothers Olds would burn rubber at the drop of a hat--if there was even the slightest bit of moisture on the road it was difficult to get it to start moving. Finally caught up with me one rainy afternoon--went to cross an intersection, nothing in sight as far as I could see in either direction, and there I was a quarter of the way across spinning the wheel like all getout and not moving at all when some guy hit me. Of course the cop thought I had run the stop sign and there was no convincing him otherwise. That was more a function of really crappy tires than horsepower - particularly going through a "slip and slide powerglide" - and to the best of my knowlege NO oldsmobile came from the factory with a powerglide.. By the time GM was putting "corporate' engines into Oldsmobiles the "powerslide" was history - The chevy smallblock first arrived in Olds cars in about 1977. the last Powerglide slush pump was built in 1973. Olds used Hydra-Matic transmissions - and the 3 speed Turbo Hydra-matic replaced the 2 speed Powerglide in Chevies. by 1974. Replacing the powerglide with a TH250 in an early Chevy 11 Nova made a HUGE performance improvement.. Thank you for providing a Mona Lisa Vito-worthy automotive infodump. However Mona's boyfriend would have first ascertained such particulars as he could before turning Miss Vito loose on the court. And in this case it was a 1968 Cutlass. However I do see the source of my confusion, I did not realize that GM had foisted two DIFFERENT 2-speed automatic abominations on the world. As for the "corporate" engine, no, it did not have a Chevrolet engine, it had Oldsmobile's quite adequate 350--"small block" is not restricted to Chevrolet. I agree that the tires were at least part of the issue, however after that relatively minor fender bender (one tiny piece of trim on the Olds bent) my mother decided to sell it instead of doing something sensible like putting a set of Michelins on it. That critter had a "jet-away" transmission -which had a dual stage converter - also called a "switch pitch" which made it act more like a 3 or 4 speed automatic than a powerglide. - it had 2 planetary ratios and 2 converter "ratios". Thepowerglide has 2 planetary ratios and that's all. The Jet-away WOULD burn the tires with a 350 rocket if it was set up right. It would start in low with the highg pitch converter, then "upshift" the converter, before finally shifting into high (sometimes downshifting the converter to give the effect of a 4 speed ) The car would have had E or F78-14 tires from the factory In 68, it probably had 7.35 or 7.75 tires. E78-F78. ;~) I was in the tire business in the early 70's when the switch to the letter rated sizing began to happen. When working PT for the tire store, in 72, I had to learn to convert the old style sizing to the letter sizing. And that did not last long, I went through the same thing when going to the metric sizing change around 1977. Oddly the sizing went full circle, back to the approximate width of the tread, except it went metric instead of inches. Approximate because every manufacturer has a different start and end point for the width measurement. (roughly a 200-70 in P Metric) G78 or H70 tires would hold a lot better, particularly with the right rubber, and a lot of guys used L70-14 or L60-15s on the w31 and 442. Belteds stuck better than straight bias plies - Firestone Wide Ovals were popular - and BF Goodrich TAs were a good upgrade with a lot better traction. |
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, lcb11211@swbelldotnet says... On 3/25/2017 12:26 AM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 00:38:38 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article eclbdc1r3l4l8nm3cvmop230gg6tkmclrq@ 4ax.com, says... On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:34:37 -0400, "J. Clarke" wrote: In article jvcbdctuaks93ea6b2cbfkpc160iu2rbnd@ 4ax.com, says... On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Now something like a 1.0 liter Chevy Sprint or Pontiac Firefly with a 35+ lb flywheel COULD break 'em loose if you dumped the clutch at about half throttle - just the inertia of the flywheel produced significantly more instantaneous torque than the engine - - - But they didn't spin for long. What was annoying was a small block V-8 with powerglide and a high ratio rear end. My mothers Olds would burn rubber at the drop of a hat--if there was even the slightest bit of moisture on the road it was difficult to get it to start moving. Finally caught up with me one rainy afternoon--went to cross an intersection, nothing in sight as far as I could see in either direction, and there I was a quarter of the way across spinning the wheel like all getout and not moving at all when some guy hit me. Of course the cop thought I had run the stop sign and there was no convincing him otherwise. That was more a function of really crappy tires than horsepower - particularly going through a "slip and slide powerglide" - and to the best of my knowlege NO oldsmobile came from the factory with a powerglide.. By the time GM was putting "corporate' engines into Oldsmobiles the "powerslide" was history - The chevy smallblock first arrived in Olds cars in about 1977. the last Powerglide slush pump was built in 1973. Olds used Hydra-Matic transmissions - and the 3 speed Turbo Hydra-matic replaced the 2 speed Powerglide in Chevies. by 1974. Replacing the powerglide with a TH250 in an early Chevy 11 Nova made a HUGE performance improvement.. Thank you for providing a Mona Lisa Vito-worthy automotive infodump. However Mona's boyfriend would have first ascertained such particulars as he could before turning Miss Vito loose on the court. And in this case it was a 1968 Cutlass. However I do see the source of my confusion, I did not realize that GM had foisted two DIFFERENT 2-speed automatic abominations on the world. As for the "corporate" engine, no, it did not have a Chevrolet engine, it had Oldsmobile's quite adequate 350--"small block" is not restricted to Chevrolet. I agree that the tires were at least part of the issue, however after that relatively minor fender bender (one tiny piece of trim on the Olds bent) my mother decided to sell it instead of doing something sensible like putting a set of Michelins on it. That critter had a "jet-away" transmission -which had a dual stage converter - also called a "switch pitch" which made it act more like a 3 or 4 speed automatic than a powerglide. - it had 2 planetary ratios and 2 converter "ratios". Thepowerglide has 2 planetary ratios and that's all. The Jet-away WOULD burn the tires with a 350 rocket if it was set up right. It would start in low with the highg pitch converter, then "upshift" the converter, before finally shifting into high (sometimes downshifting the converter to give the effect of a 4 speed ) The car would have had E or F78-14 tires from the factory In 68, it probably had 7.35 or 7.75 tires. E78-F78. ;~) I was in the tire business in the early 70's when the switch to the letter rated sizing began to happen. When working PT for the tire store, in 72, I had to learn to convert the old style sizing to the letter sizing. And that did not last long, I went through the same thing when going to the metric sizing change around 1977. Oddly the sizing went full circle, back to the approximate width of the tread, except it went metric instead of inches. Approximate because every manufacturer has a different start and end point for the width measurement. (roughly a 200-70 in P Metric) G78 or H70 tires would hold a lot better, particularly with the right rubber, and a lot of guys used L70-14 or L60-15s on the w31 and 442. Belteds stuck better than straight bias plies - Firestone Wide Ovals were popular - and BF Goodrich TAs were a good upgrade with a lot better traction. It's amazing what aspect ratio does to appearance. My Jeep has 16 inch wheels and they look like great huge things. My electric has 17 inch and with that tiny bit of rubber around them they look tiny. |
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:16:47 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 3/24/2017 7:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Yes with the stock 4 banger, A70-13 Firestones. Well there were 2 versions of the stock Vega engine. One had a different cam. Still about 92 HP. Because of the coil springs in the back I got all kinds of wheel hop if I was not careful. If you start with enough enough RPM's you could easily spin the tires. And take out the clutch, u-joints, diff, or rear axles if you did it too often. And A-70 13s were skinny tires - I ran c70s on my 63 valiant and on my (don't die laughing) Pontiac Firenza (Vauxhaull HC Magnum). The a 70 is equivalent to a 165-70 p metric tire - I call them "bicycle tires" or "Roller skate wheels" A C70 was the same as a 215 p-metric and actually filled out the fender-wells a bit - particularly on the F'renza with vega or chevette GT wheels (6 inch width instead of the 4.5 or 5 inch Vauxhall rims) |
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 14:42:08 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote: SNIP Oddly the sizing went full circle, back to the approximate width of the tread, except it went metric instead of inches. Approximate because every manufacturer has a different start and end point for the width measurement. (roughly a 200-70 in P Metric) G78 or H70 tires would hold a lot better, particularly with the right rubber, and a lot of guys used L70-14 or L60-15s on the w31 and 442. Belteds stuck better than straight bias plies - Firestone Wide Ovals were popular - and BF Goodrich TAs were a good upgrade with a lot better traction. It's amazing what aspect ratio does to appearance. My Jeep has 16 inch wheels and they look like great huge things. My electric has 17 inch and with that tiny bit of rubber around them they look tiny. The jeep tires ARE huge, and the electric's tires ARE tiny. The jeep tires are likely wider to start with (235mm vs 205?)- and then a higher profile, so the Jeep wheels are likley something like 30 inches in diameter while the electric's are likely on the shy side of 25 inches. |
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What is this old car, with rounded shell, inch thick woodinterior?
On 3/25/2017 2:22 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:16:47 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 7:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Yes with the stock 4 banger, A70-13 Firestones. Well there were 2 versions of the stock Vega engine. One had a different cam. Still about 92 HP. Because of the coil springs in the back I got all kinds of wheel hop if I was not careful. If you start with enough enough RPM's you could easily spin the tires. And take out the clutch, u-joints, diff, or rear axles if you did it too often. And A-70 13s were skinny tires Skinny by today's standards, but most small American cars back then had A78-13 tires. Still the same width but taller and less responsive to handling - I ran c70s on my 63 valiant and on my (don't die laughing) Pontiac Firenza (Vauxhaull HC Magnum). The a 70 is equivalent to a 165-70 p metric tire - I call them "bicycle tires" or "Roller skate wheels" A C70 was the same as a 215 p-metric and actually filled out the fender-wells a bit - particularly on the F'renza with vega or chevette GT wheels (6 inch width instead of the 4.5 or 5 inch Vauxhall rims) IIRC about 6" for "A". A "C" was about 6.5", still pretty narrow. The 70 did not make tires wider but made them "look" wider. Same is true for 60, 50, etc series tires. You probably know that the number after the letter represented the height of side wall to tread width ratio. Old VW tires were 5.60-15's. Really narrow looking. |
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:09:23 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 3/25/2017 2:22 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:16:47 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 7:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Yes with the stock 4 banger, A70-13 Firestones. Well there were 2 versions of the stock Vega engine. One had a different cam. Still about 92 HP. Because of the coil springs in the back I got all kinds of wheel hop if I was not careful. If you start with enough enough RPM's you could easily spin the tires. And take out the clutch, u-joints, diff, or rear axles if you did it too often. And A-70 13s were skinny tires Skinny by today's standards, but most small American cars back then had A78-13 tires. Still the same width but taller and less responsive to handling - I ran c70s on my 63 valiant and on my (don't die laughing) Pontiac Firenza (Vauxhaull HC Magnum). The a 70 is equivalent to a 165-70 p metric tire - I call them "bicycle tires" or "Roller skate wheels" A C70 was the same as a 215 p-metric and actually filled out the fender-wells a bit - particularly on the F'renza with vega or chevette GT wheels (6 inch width instead of the 4.5 or 5 inch Vauxhall rims) IIRC about 6" for "A". A "C" was about 6.5", still pretty narrow. The 70 did not make tires wider but made them "look" wider. Same is true for 60, 50, etc series tires. You probably know that the number after the letter represented the height of side wall to tread width ratio. Old VW tires were 5.60-15's. Really narrow looking. But the C was a lot wider than an A, and a C 70 was about the same diameter as an A78. And that wasn't an "old" volhswagen tire. An "old" VW beetle had 16 inch rims - with 500X16 tires. (I owned a '49 splitwindow beetle) |
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On 3/26/2017 3:15 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:09:23 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/25/2017 2:22 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:16:47 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 7:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Yes with the stock 4 banger, A70-13 Firestones. Well there were 2 versions of the stock Vega engine. One had a different cam. Still about 92 HP. Because of the coil springs in the back I got all kinds of wheel hop if I was not careful. If you start with enough enough RPM's you could easily spin the tires. And take out the clutch, u-joints, diff, or rear axles if you did it too often. And A-70 13s were skinny tires Skinny by today's standards, but most small American cars back then had A78-13 tires. Still the same width but taller and less responsive to handling - I ran c70s on my 63 valiant and on my (don't die laughing) Pontiac Firenza (Vauxhaull HC Magnum). The a 70 is equivalent to a 165-70 p metric tire - I call them "bicycle tires" or "Roller skate wheels" A C70 was the same as a 215 p-metric and actually filled out the fender-wells a bit - particularly on the F'renza with vega or chevette GT wheels (6 inch width instead of the 4.5 or 5 inch Vauxhall rims) IIRC about 6" for "A". A "C" was about 6.5", still pretty narrow. The 70 did not make tires wider but made them "look" wider. Same is true for 60, 50, etc series tires. You probably know that the number after the letter represented the height of side wall to tread width ratio. Old VW tires were 5.60-15's. Really narrow looking. But the C was a lot wider than an A, About .5" or 8% wider. and a C 70 was about the same diameter as an A78. What is your point there? And that wasn't an "old" volhswagen tire. An "old" VW beetle had 16 inch rims - with 500X16 tires. (I owned a '49 splitwindow beetle) Are you saying a 65 VW is not old? 52 years... |
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 16:49:36 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 3/26/2017 3:15 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:09:23 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/25/2017 2:22 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:16:47 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 7:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Yes with the stock 4 banger, A70-13 Firestones. Well there were 2 versions of the stock Vega engine. One had a different cam. Still about 92 HP. Because of the coil springs in the back I got all kinds of wheel hop if I was not careful. If you start with enough enough RPM's you could easily spin the tires. And take out the clutch, u-joints, diff, or rear axles if you did it too often. And A-70 13s were skinny tires Skinny by today's standards, but most small American cars back then had A78-13 tires. Still the same width but taller and less responsive to handling - I ran c70s on my 63 valiant and on my (don't die laughing) Pontiac Firenza (Vauxhaull HC Magnum). The a 70 is equivalent to a 165-70 p metric tire - I call them "bicycle tires" or "Roller skate wheels" A C70 was the same as a 215 p-metric and actually filled out the fender-wells a bit - particularly on the F'renza with vega or chevette GT wheels (6 inch width instead of the 4.5 or 5 inch Vauxhall rims) IIRC about 6" for "A". A "C" was about 6.5", still pretty narrow. The 70 did not make tires wider but made them "look" wider. Same is true for 60, 50, etc series tires. You probably know that the number after the letter represented the height of side wall to tread width ratio. Old VW tires were 5.60-15's. Really narrow looking. But the C was a lot wider than an A, About .5" or 8% wider. and a C 70 was about the same diameter as an A78. What is your point there? What was YOUR point with: IIRC about 6" for "A". A "C" was about 6.5", still pretty narrow. The 70 did not make tires wider but made them "look" wider. Same is true for 60, 50, etc series tires. You probably know that the number after the letter represented the height of side wall to tread width ratio. And that wasn't an "old" volhswagen tire. An "old" VW beetle had 16 inch rims - with 500X16 tires. (I owned a '49 splitwindow beetle) Are you saying a 65 VW is not old? 52 years... There is old and ther is OLD. And there is "narrow looking" and there is NARROW. The whole discussion started with burning rubber in second gear with a Vega GT. I said only with skinny tires. Most people who really DROVE a Vega GT didn't replace the tires with A70s. (there were quite a few C60 and D60 tires on Vegas and Astres around here. - and even 14 inchers with V6 and V8 transplants) |
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On 3/26/2017 5:53 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 16:49:36 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/26/2017 3:15 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:09:23 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/25/2017 2:22 PM, wrote: On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:16:47 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 7:09 PM, wrote: On Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:40:09 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote: On 3/24/2017 8:14 AM, wrote: Yep - the bullet holes were put there by the owner. and he saved one for himself. haha apparently and believe or not they are sought after in good condition they even get a pretty good price That's because one in good condition has always been exceedingly rare, even when they were new (owned a '71 Gremlin - the most appropriately named car in history). I worked for a short time for an AMC dealer back in '72, and they were actually pretty good cars when compared to products from GM. Ford, and Chrysler at the same time. One big problem with the gremy and hornet was the latch pins breaking out of the doorposts after the hinge pins wore out or sagged.. They had pretty well solved the rocker arm oiling issue on the 232 by that time. The 258 was a better motor for the car - and the 340 was AWSOME. There was a dealer in Mesa Arizona that put the 401 AMX engine in the Grem. - Randall Motors XR401. There were quite a few 360s transplanted into Grems too - They were HAIRY!!!! My brother had "The Machine" when we were teenagers. It was geared so low that I could accidently take off in 3rd gear when being a careful designated driver - feathering the clutch because I wasn't accustomed to the car .. half way through the intersection I would realize that I didn't need to shift quite yet. :-) I had a 72 Vega GT. I'll wait for the laughing to stop. ;!) From a stop I could spin the tires starting in second gear. Not with the stock aluminum 4 cyl unless you are running real skinny tires at high pressure. Even a Cosworth would be stresses to get much rubber in second with decent tires. Yes with the stock 4 banger, A70-13 Firestones. Well there were 2 versions of the stock Vega engine. One had a different cam. Still about 92 HP. Because of the coil springs in the back I got all kinds of wheel hop if I was not careful. If you start with enough enough RPM's you could easily spin the tires. And take out the clutch, u-joints, diff, or rear axles if you did it too often. And A-70 13s were skinny tires Skinny by today's standards, but most small American cars back then had A78-13 tires. Still the same width but taller and less responsive to handling - I ran c70s on my 63 valiant and on my (don't die laughing) Pontiac Firenza (Vauxhaull HC Magnum). The a 70 is equivalent to a 165-70 p metric tire - I call them "bicycle tires" or "Roller skate wheels" A C70 was the same as a 215 p-metric and actually filled out the fender-wells a bit - particularly on the F'renza with vega or chevette GT wheels (6 inch width instead of the 4.5 or 5 inch Vauxhall rims) IIRC about 6" for "A". A "C" was about 6.5", still pretty narrow. The 70 did not make tires wider but made them "look" wider. Same is true for 60, 50, etc series tires. You probably know that the number after the letter represented the height of side wall to tread width ratio. Old VW tires were 5.60-15's. Really narrow looking. But the C was a lot wider than an A, About .5" or 8% wider. and a C 70 was about the same diameter as an A78. What is your point there? What was YOUR point with: IIRC about 6" for "A". A "C" was about 6.5", still pretty narrow. The 70 did not make tires wider but made them "look" wider. Same is true for 60, 50, etc series tires. You probably know that the number after the letter represented the height of side wall to tread width ratio. And that wasn't an "old" volhswagen tire. An "old" VW beetle had 16 inch rims - with 500X16 tires. (I owned a '49 splitwindow beetle) Are you saying a 65 VW is not old? 52 years... There is old and ther is OLD. And there is "narrow looking" and there is NARROW. The whole discussion started with burning rubber in second gear with a Vega GT. I said only with skinny tires. Most people who really DROVE a Vega GT didn't replace the tires with A70s. (there were quite a few C60 and D60 tires on Vegas and Astres around here. - and even 14 inchers with V6 and V8 transplants) I am not trying to argue here, When you mentioned only with skinny tires I was only making a point that the tires were as wide as any other vehicle of that size, Pinto, Toyota, etc. And Yes I really drove a Vega GT, it was my first car, got in in November 1971 and had to order it from the factory. I was 17, Yes I could spin the Firestone 70 series tires with the stock engine in second gear. I did replace the original set of RWL tires with BFG Lifesaver Radials. Now I don't recall if the Lifesavers were A,B, or C but they did have much more traction than the Firestone Wide Ovals and I could break the tires loose then too. Then engine in that car was crap. I replaced the short block in my parents garage when the vehicle was 3 years old. A piston skirt broke and allowed the piston to turn at an angle in the cylinder that punched a hole in the cylinder. I traded for a 75 Olds Starfire, new. Virtually the same vehicle as the Vega other than body and engine. I always like the Vega other than the engine. The Olds with the Buick V6 was a giant step forward in durability. The Chev Monza, same car had a V8 with the same rated HP as the V6, IIRC. |
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The whole discussion started with burning rubber in second gear with a Vega GT. I said only with skinny tires. My second car - '71 Vega not a GT bought in 1975 for $ 550. - would leave a lot of smoke behind when I stomped on it ! :-) It had flow-through ventillation - in through the rust holes in the front fenders ; and out through the rust holes in the doors ! I drove it almost 2 1/2 years before the roadside safety check got me - I was so afraid they'd pull it off the road and charge me - but they let me go with 30 days to turn in the plates ! No ticket ! John T. |
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And Yes I really drove a Vega GT, it was my first car, got in in November 1971 and had to order it from the factory. I was 17, Yes I could spin the Firestone 70 series tires with the stock engine in second gear. You were revving it up for so long - the oil blowing out of it was coating everything within 50 feet - hence the tire spin ! :-) I traded for a 75 Olds Starfire, new. Virtually the same vehicle as the Vega other than body and engine. I always like the Vega other than the engine. The early Vega/Astra HAD no equal - thank goodness ! One of my fav Vega stories - I was stuck in a few inches of snow - a kind neighbour plants his boots and braces one hand against the drivers door handle and the other under the rear fender lip - - he gives a good heave-ho and comes up with a piece of my rear fender in his hand ! looking quite sheepish. I thanked him and said - " You can keep that . " This was a 5 year old car - big rust holes all along the top of both front fenders ; the rest of the car getting very rusty, very quickly. Engine blowing oil from the start. .. not a single good thing to say about a '71 Vega. Whenever I see a brag about Motor Trend Car-Of-The-Year I think of the 1971 Vega .. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_...ar_of_the_Year John T. |
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 16:49:36 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: ... And that wasn't an "old" volhswagen tire. An "old" VW beetle had 16 inch rims - with 500X16 tires. (I owned a '49 splitwindow beetle) Are you saying a 65 VW is not old? 52 years... Compared to most here, it seems, no. ;-) |
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 19:10:43 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote: On 3/26/2017 6:57 PM, wrote: The whole discussion started with burning rubber in second gear with a Vega GT. I said only with skinny tires. My second car - '71 Vega not a GT bought in 1975 for $ 550. - would leave a lot of smoke behind when I stomped on it ! :-) It had flow-through ventillation - in through the rust holes in the front fenders ; and out through the rust holes in the doors ! I drove it almost 2 1/2 years before the roadside safety check got me - I was so afraid they'd pull it off the road and charge me - but they let me go with 30 days to turn in the plates ! No ticket ! John T. I understand that the Vegas had rust issues but mine never has a speck of rust on it. And I lived 3 miles from the Gulf Coast. BUT I did wash and wax it almost every weekend and the dealer undercoated it before we took delivery. Before replacing the short block a trip to the gas station went like this. Fill it with oil and check the gas. Sounds like my '61 Mini 850 Mk1.50mpg of gas and 50mpq of oil. I was running SAE50 with 3 cans of STP before I tore it down and rebuilt it. 196000 miles and no measurable wear on cyls or crank but halt the rings were butter, and the other half glass.Shortly after the rebuild the head let go - cracked around about half of the head bolt bosses and lifted the head off the block. I got another head from the wrecking yard, did the valves and put it back together. I got rid of it at 214000 miles. The guy I sold it to brought it back a few months later along with an "austin America" 1300 engine and trans designed for 12 inch wheels. I put it in and they burned all 4 tires off in just over a week, blowing the doors off Datsun 240Zs at stoplights. Then they tore the rear subframe out doing handbrake power turns in a donut shop parking lot. |
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