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Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos?
http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? |
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:29:31 +0000 (UTC), Alice Jones
wrote: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? 1928 Durant white ash someone shot it |
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:29:31 +0000 (UTC), Alice Jones
wrote: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? Looks to me a lot like a 31/32 Chevy Baby Grand, going by the shape, the between-the rails rear mounted fuel tank, and the double bead at the top of the body. Being an open body, not a sedan, I'd definitely say there is a VERY good chance. |
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:29:31 +0000 (UTC), Alice Jones
wrote: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? Ash and Oak were commonly used for automotive body framing - Fischer Body division of General Motors used wood framing up untill 1937. |
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What were 'Woodies' made from - station wagons were in the 50's.
We had Wood carrier top that had to have Spar put on it now and then. I want to say the tailgate also, but not the sides. Martin On 3/18/2017 4:12 PM, wrote: On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:29:31 +0000 (UTC), Alice Jones wrote: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? Ash and Oak were commonly used for automotive body framing - Fischer Body division of General Motors used wood framing up untill 1937. |
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 21:16:06 -0500, Martin Eastburn
wrote: What were 'Woodies' made from - station wagons were in the 50's. We had Wood carrier top that had to have Spar put on it now and then. I want to say the tailgate also, but not the sides. Martin On 3/18/2017 4:12 PM, wrote: On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:29:31 +0000 (UTC), Alice Jones wrote: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? Ash and Oak were commonly used for automotive body framing - Fischer Body division of General Motors used wood framing up untill 1937. The Chrysler Town and Country convertible in the forties just had decorative wood trim on an all steel body, as did Ford's woodies from '53 on. Very shortly thereafter, even that trim was "fake wood" |
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Alice Jones wrote:
Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? 69 Mustang, V8, with AC |
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Alice Jones was heard to mutter:
Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? For comparison... http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=39076 |
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Casper wrote:
Alice Jones was heard to mutter: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? For comparison... http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=39076 So it was *not* a 1928 Durant D-60 4-door Sedan. |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:45:55 -0600, (Neill
Massello) wrote: Casper wrote: Alice Jones was heard to mutter: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? For comparison... http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=39076 So it was *not* a 1928 Durant D-60 4-door Sedan. Take a look at ANY durant - the closest would be a 28 Star (or "RUGBY" as it was exported as) but the Durany is a 3 piece tub, not a stamped steel tub as shown - and the side panel is too long for a 4 door or touring. I've been around a lot of old cars - and the first thing that came to mind, with the way the gas tank is mounted, the double "bead" or "feature line" around the top, the moderate curve to the obviously stamped steel tub, and the lever shocks peaking through the floor on the one picture is "32 Chebby". Looked like a Phaeton except the side panel matches a 2 door body, not a 4.- and all "Chebbies" of that era did not have a separate roof - so it looks like somebody took off the roof to make a "topless" two door - not to use the roof elsewheere because the "riser" which would be left after removing the roof appears to have been metal-worked out (if indead it WAS a 2dr Chebby) I'm still wracking my brain to find a better answer. |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:24:34 -0400, wrote:
On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:45:55 -0600, (Neill Massello) wrote: Casper wrote: Alice Jones was heard to mutter: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? For comparison... http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=39076 So it was *not* a 1928 Durant D-60 4-door Sedan. Take a look at ANY durant - the closest would be a 28 Star (or "RUGBY" as it was exported as) but the Durany is a 3 piece tub, not a stamped steel tub as shown - and the side panel is too long for a 4 door or touring. I've been around a lot of old cars - and the first thing that came to mind, with the way the gas tank is mounted, the double "bead" or "feature line" around the top, the moderate curve to the obviously stamped steel tub, and the lever shocks peaking through the floor on the one picture is "32 Chebby". Looked like a Phaeton except the side panel matches a 2 door body, not a 4.- and all "Chebbies" of that era did not have a separate roof - so it looks like somebody took off the roof to make a "topless" two door - not to use the roof elsewheere because the "riser" which would be left after removing the roof appears to have been metal-worked out (if indead it WAS a 2dr Chebby) I'm still wracking my brain to find a better answer. H'mmm, you just answered a question I had in my head, I saw a 2dr Chevy sedan and the tub near as I could see, seemed to fit, and I saw a sedan where the top was off, but there was a wooden post left attached to the hub. |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:18:25 -0400, Casper
wrote: Alice Jones was heard to mutter: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? For comparison... http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=39076 Note the Durant doesn't have the "double bead" across the back of the body. That is pretty common on the GM cars of the period - and the rounded, curved in at the bottom profile was pretty well exclusive to 1932 - '28-30 were a lot straighter, for sure. It's NOT a Durant - only a 28 Star would be close, and it does not have a one piece pressed steel bustle - the sides and rear quarters are separate and have a "bead" vertically on both sides to join them. This is a pressed steel "bucket" - That, with the double bead around the top of the beltline, rules our any Durant - and if it's a Chevy pretty well narrows it down ro a '32 . On closer inspection, it's not a touring or Phaeton because the door of a phaeton or fordoor would go back over the fender So whatever it is, it started life as a 2 door, it's a stamped steel tub, I'd say LIKELY a 32 Chevy 2 door with the roof cut off. (Assuming it is a North American built vehicle) |
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On closer inspection, it's not a touring or Phaeton because the door of a phaeton or fordoor would go back over the fender For me, that was clue that it couldn't be the model Casper linked to in his post. |
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On closer inspection, it's not a touring or Phaeton because the door of a
phaeton or fordoor would go back over the fender claire@snyder (Neill Massello) was heard to mutter: For me, that was clue that it couldn't be the model Casper linked to in his post. I only posted the link for visual reference to a (any) Durant as hubops mentioned it. FWIW, after looking at the back of a few Chevys (got a friend in a car club with a few Chevys, Fords, etc), can't say I see a resemblance. I'm not as into cars as some and anyway I prefer British ones. Looks like Mother Earth is taking all those parts back in the photos. |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 10:28:28 -0400, Casper
wrote: On closer inspection, it's not a touring or Phaeton because the door of a phaeton or fordoor would go back over the fender claire@snyder (Neill Massello) was heard to mutter: For me, that was clue that it couldn't be the model Casper linked to in his post. I only posted the link for visual reference to a (any) Durant as hubops mentioned it. FWIW, after looking at the back of a few Chevys (got a friend in a car club with a few Chevys, Fords, etc), can't say I see a resemblance. I'm not as into cars as some and anyway I prefer British ones. Looks like Mother Earth is taking all those parts back in the photos. There is only ONE YEAR of Chevy yhat resembles that body - and it resembles it very closely. That year is 1932. NOT 1931, and NOT 1933. Totally different animals. 1932 was a 1 year only "baby Cadillac" see: http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/stagi...rofile_Web.jpg and http://www.remarkablecars.com/main/c...te-sedan-3.jpg That one is a deluxe, not a standard. Deluxe is a "6 wheeler" while the standard only has one spare, on the rear. It is also a 4 door - so you can see the one referenced by the OP definitely is NOT a 4 door anything. Here is another 2 door - not as rough as the one referenced -- https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...d1c053f025.jpg and another http://dansoldcars.net/100_4056.jpg http://dansoldcars.net/100_3335.jpg and another: http://davidsclassiccars.com/images/...dr-sedan-5.jpg and another: http://www.cars-on-line.com/photo/50...hev50237-1.jpg and another: http://davidsclassiccars.com/images/...ent-orig-7.jpg and another: http://smclassiccars.com/uploads/pos...-hot-rod-5.JPG Note the "feature lines" at the beltline. and around the bottom of the "tub" - and the gastank cover. In all my years working on and playing with old cars I have not seen ANY other vehicle that so closely matches the "tub" referenced by the OP. It IS rather unique, when you get right down to it. |
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On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:18:25 -0400, Casper
wrote: Alice Jones was heard to mutter: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? For comparison... http://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=39076 As I said - no double bead at the top, and it's a 3 piece body instead of a preswsed steal tub. Defineitely NOT a Durant of any stripe. Almost CERTAINLY a 32 Chevy from all the clues. |
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On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-5, Alice Jones wrote:
Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? Cars are not my thing, but I have a friend who could put it back in pristine condition. What the man does is simply amazing. He just finished his last restoration (he is retiring), which was a 32 Ford Cabrolet. When he started all he had was a body, which was in much worse shape than what you are showing here (rusted up 4-6" all around the bottom, no floor pan, no top mechanism, no rumble seat, no hood, no chassis) , and the cowl. He delivered it (drove it over to the owner's house) Sunday and you could comb your hair in the paint job. |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 05:26:13 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Deb"
wrote: On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-5, Alice Jones wrote: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? Cars are not my thing, but I have a friend who could put it back in pristine condition. What the man does is simply amazing. He just finished his last restoration (he is retiring), which was a 32 Ford Cabrolet. When he started all he had was a body, which was in much worse shape than what you are showing here (rusted up 4-6" all around the bottom, no floor pan, no top mechanism, no rumble seat, no hood, no chassis) , and the cowl. He delivered it (drove it over to the owner's house) Sunday and you could comb your hair in the paint job. I've seen some real magic done too, but there is hardly enough left of that Chevy to make it worth while. Lots of more complete vehicles around that even if more expensive to buy, will cost MUCH less to complete. That "tub" might be a good repair part for a more badly rusted, more complete, vehicle. |
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On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 3:47:22 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 05:26:13 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Deb" On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-5, Alice Jones wrote: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? Cars are not my thing, but I have a friend who could put it back in pristine condition. What the man does is simply amazing. He just finished his last restoration (he is retiring), which was a 32 Ford Cabrolet. When he started all he had was a body, which was in much worse shape than what you are showing here (rusted up 4-6" all around the bottom, no floor pan, no top mechanism, no rumble seat, no hood, no chassis) , and the cowl. He delivered it (drove it over to the owner's house) Sunday and you could comb your hair in the paint job. I've seen some real magic done too, but there is hardly enough left of that Chevy to make it worth while. Lots of more complete vehicles around that even if more expensive to buy, will cost MUCH less to complete. That "tub" might be a good repair part for a more badly rusted, more complete, vehicle. Believe me, on the last car, and it was also the last car he is doing, he had much less to start with and rolled out his door looking like it just came out of the showroom. |
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On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 05:05:52 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Deb"
wrote: On Wednesday, March 22, 2017 at 3:47:22 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 05:26:13 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Deb" On Saturday, March 18, 2017 at 1:29:35 PM UTC-5, Alice Jones wrote: Can you tell anything about this old auto from the photos? http://i.cubeupload.com/rHHKQq.jpg (*) round back http://i.cubeupload.com/RjfyRW.jpg (*) wood interior http://i.cubeupload.com/JtyYNW.jpg (*) external fenders http://i.cubeupload.com/9UecSp.jpg (*) mounted on a frame http://i.cubeupload.com/gWrN0H.jpg Is there a good way to tell what kind of solid wood was used? And why would it have what looks like bullet holes in the back? Cars are not my thing, but I have a friend who could put it back in pristine condition. What the man does is simply amazing. He just finished his last restoration (he is retiring), which was a 32 Ford Cabrolet. When he started all he had was a body, which was in much worse shape than what you are showing here (rusted up 4-6" all around the bottom, no floor pan, no top mechanism, no rumble seat, no hood, no chassis) , and the cowl. He delivered it (drove it over to the owner's house) Sunday and you could comb your hair in the paint job. I've seen some real magic done too, but there is hardly enough left of that Chevy to make it worth while. Lots of more complete vehicles around that even if more expensive to buy, will cost MUCH less to complete. That "tub" might be a good repair part for a more badly rusted, more complete, vehicle. Believe me, on the last car, and it was also the last car he is doing, he had much less to start with and rolled out his door looking like it just came out of the showroom. Like I said - anything is possible - including building an accurate reproduction from scratch - but that only really makes sense for very rare cars - not a '32 Chevy. with totally roached fenders, no doors or front sheet metal and no roof. Except for rare vehicles, it NEVER makes any financial sense (and yes, I HAVE restored some old vehicles, including a few "basket cases" Even at Barrett Jackson auctions, you can usually buy very good to excellent cars for significantly less than the cost to build - even strting from a reasonably good junker. |
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On Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 7:25:48 AM UTC-5, wrote:
.. Except for rare vehicles, it NEVER makes any financial sense (and yes, I HAVE restored some old vehicles, including a few "basket cases" Even at Barrett Jackson auctions, you can usually buy very good to excellent cars for significantly less than the cost to build - even strting from a reasonably good junker. One of my long time friends would certainly give you an "AMEN" on that. He loved early Mustangs and the old 240Z from Datsun. The amount of knowledge needed to "authentically restore" the cars correctly was staggering. The money needed to find original parts, just as much. The time to learn what to do, which parts went on which variant (depending on manufacturing dates, etc.) and on and on was a full time job. He gave up on the last Mustang and sold it dismantled for parts as he couldn't get it restored to his standards. After about 5-6 years in the garage, his wife stepped in, and that was that. He got two 240s up and running and couldn't find the parts needed to restore them. He found that certain pieces from 260s fit the 240s, so he went that route. Now all he had when finished was a running sports car. He lost money on all of his efforts. Restoring is 1) a labor of love and/or 2) a full time job. We went to a local car show after that, and he was crushed as he found what I had told him all along, you can buy a finished product for about 1/2 (or less) of what it costs to restore one in your garage by yourself. He hasn't turned a wrench to restore a vehicle since. Check out the prices on some of these mid 60s Mustangs: https://goo.gl/d0Hsfv Check out the '69 Ford Fastback Mustang with the 351 Cleveland V8 and less than 19,000 miles. Great paint, Cragar mags, new shoes, and $28,500. No muss, no fuss. My boy had 25K in the engine rebuild, transmission rebuild, new drive shaft and rebuilt rear end of the '67 he was last working on. That did include the J.C. Whitney (remember them?) interior kit that was formed carpet, door panels, and seat covers that were sitting in the car when he sold it. He needed a new steering wheel, appropriate AM radio, all knobs and handles, badges, body work, paint, and the correct age rims. He figured another 10K and a couple of years of his elbow grease and he would have it finished if he had found the time. He sold the car (not running) with the papers on the rebuilds along with all the parts and pieces he collected for $5500 after coming down on his price many times. The guy that bought it was a lucky break for him as he bought it as a project for him and his son that was a 16 year old motor head. Robert |
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