have been trying out a program for making 3d models called openscad

instead of clicking a mouse to create your object you define it
programatically

so far just playing with it to understand how it works

not sure how to generate dimension text

the syntax is not too abstract but it is an entirely new way to design
in 3d

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:55:48 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote:


have been trying out a program for making 3d models called openscad

What's wrong with Sketchup?

instead of clicking a mouse to create your object you define it
programatically

You can do that in Sketchup, too.

so far just playing with it to understand how it works

not sure how to generate dimension text

the syntax is not too abstract but it is an entirely new way to design
in 3d

Doesn't sound very useful to me.

In article 2isr5chr1ouvp3bfemuebt1140uovrhuk1@
4ax.com, says...

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:55:48 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote:


have been trying out a program for making 3d models called openscad

What's wrong with Sketchup?

instead of clicking a mouse to create your object you define it
programatically

You can do that in Sketchup, too.

so far just playing with it to understand how it works

not sure how to generate dimension text

the syntax is not too abstract but it is an entirely new way to design
in 3d

Doesn't sound very useful to me.

If the "new thing" about it is "defining
programmatically", there's nothing new about
that. That's how Autocad has _always_ worked.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 23:09:06 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article 2isr5chr1ouvp3bfemuebt1140uovrhuk1@
4ax.com, says...

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:55:48 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote:


have been trying out a program for making 3d models called openscad

What's wrong with Sketchup?

instead of clicking a mouse to create your object you define it
programatically

You can do that in Sketchup, too.

so far just playing with it to understand how it works

not sure how to generate dimension text

the syntax is not too abstract but it is an entirely new way to design
in 3d

Doesn't sound very useful to me.

If the "new thing" about it is "defining
programmatically", there's nothing new about
that. That's how Autocad has _always_ worked.

Autocad has not always been a "parametric cad" I believe it has only
been a fully parametric cad since Acad 2010 while design View, for
instance, has been a parametric cad since at least 1992 in 2D

In article qcvr5c9g5rgeh99cennk4bu8sld2m2a5ok@
4ax.com, says...

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 23:09:06 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article 2isr5chr1ouvp3bfemuebt1140uovrhuk1@
4ax.com, says...

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:55:48 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote:


have been trying out a program for making 3d models called openscad

What's wrong with Sketchup?

instead of clicking a mouse to create your object you define it
programatically

You can do that in Sketchup, too.

so far just playing with it to understand how it works

not sure how to generate dimension text

the syntax is not too abstract but it is an entirely new way to design
in 3d

Doesn't sound very useful to me.

If the "new thing" about it is "defining
programmatically", there's nothing new about
that. That's how Autocad has _always_ worked.

Autocad has not always been a "parametric cad" I believe it has only
been a fully parametric cad since Acad 2010 while design View, for
instance, has been a parametric cad since at least 1992 in 2D

Whatever "parametric cad" is, there was a time
when point and click was a new innovation that
was added to Autocad. You have always run it by
typing commands and after a while a programming
language was added.

That's "defining programmatically" in my book.
If he meant something else he should have said
it.

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 00:14:00 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article qcvr5c9g5rgeh99cennk4bu8sld2m2a5ok@
4ax.com, says...

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 23:09:06 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article 2isr5chr1ouvp3bfemuebt1140uovrhuk1@
4ax.com, says...

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:55:48 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote:


have been trying out a program for making 3d models called openscad

What's wrong with Sketchup?

instead of clicking a mouse to create your object you define it
programatically

You can do that in Sketchup, too.

so far just playing with it to understand how it works

not sure how to generate dimension text

the syntax is not too abstract but it is an entirely new way to design
in 3d

Doesn't sound very useful to me.

If the "new thing" about it is "defining
programmatically", there's nothing new about
that. That's how Autocad has _always_ worked.

Autocad has not always been a "parametric cad" I believe it has only
been a fully parametric cad since Acad 2010 while design View, for
instance, has been a parametric cad since at least 1992 in 2D

Whatever "parametric cad" is, there was a time
when point and click was a new innovation that
was added to Autocad. You have always run it by
typing commands and after a while a programming
language was added.

That's "defining programmatically" in my book.
If he meant something else he should have said
it.
Parametric cad uses a database of dimensions and by redefining either
a linear measurement or an angle, the entire diagram is redrawn. You
can lengthen a part by 50 thou, or by 2 inches, or by 2 feet by simply
redefining a line segment. If a hole is defined as being centered to
that line segment, it is properly relocated. Just a few really basic
examples of a VERY powerful design tool..

J. Clarke wrote:
In article qcvr5c9g5rgeh99cennk4bu8sld2m2a5ok@
4ax.com, says...

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 23:09:06 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article 2isr5chr1ouvp3bfemuebt1140uovrhuk1@
4ax.com, says...

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:55:48 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote:


have been trying out a program for making 3d models called openscad

What's wrong with Sketchup?

instead of clicking a mouse to create your object you define it
programatically

You can do that in Sketchup, too.

so far just playing with it to understand how it works

not sure how to generate dimension text

the syntax is not too abstract but it is an entirely new way to design
in 3d

Doesn't sound very useful to me.

If the "new thing" about it is "defining
programmatically", there's nothing new about
that. That's how Autocad has _always_ worked.

Autocad has not always been a "parametric cad" I believe it has only
been a fully parametric cad since Acad 2010 while design View, for
instance, has been a parametric cad since at least 1992 in 2D

Whatever "parametric cad" is, there was a time
when point and click was a new innovation that
was added to Autocad. You have always run it by
typing commands and after a while a programming
language was added.

That's "defining programmatically" in my book.
If he meant something else he should have said
it.


Agreed!

On 12/23/2016 11:14 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article qcvr5c9g5rgeh99cennk4bu8sld2m2a5ok@
4ax.com, says...

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 23:09:06 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

In article 2isr5chr1ouvp3bfemuebt1140uovrhuk1@
4ax.com, says...

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:55:48 -0800, Electric Comet
wrote:


have been trying out a program for making 3d models called openscad

What's wrong with Sketchup?

instead of clicking a mouse to create your object you define it
programatically

You can do that in Sketchup, too.

so far just playing with it to understand how it works

not sure how to generate dimension text

the syntax is not too abstract but it is an entirely new way to design
in 3d

Doesn't sound very useful to me.

If the "new thing" about it is "defining
programmatically", there's nothing new about
that. That's how Autocad has _always_ worked.

Autocad has not always been a "parametric cad" I believe it has only
been a fully parametric cad since Acad 2010 while design View, for
instance, has been a parametric cad since at least 1992 in 2D

Whatever "parametric cad" is, there was a time
when point and click was a new innovation that
was added to Autocad. You have always run it by
typing commands and after a while a programming
language was added.

That's "defining programmatically" in my book.
If he meant something else he should have said
it.


IIRC AutoCAD LT was developed and used a Windows environment, clickable
icons and DDE, before AutoCAD.

Electric Comet wrote:

have been trying out a program for making 3d models called openscad

instead of clicking a mouse to create your object you define it
programatically

so far just playing with it to understand how it works

not sure how to generate dimension text

the syntax is not too abstract but it is an entirely new way to design
in 3d

.

New to you maybe but a very old method of drawing. Sketchup is pretty much
'it' for woodworking.

On 2016-12-24, Leon wrote:

New to you maybe but a very old method of drawing. Sketchup is pretty much
'it' for woodworking.

Too bad Gobble never made it fer Linux. I've never quite understood
Gobble's reluctance. C'mon, their entire server system is Linux.

Anywho, I gave my ex lead designer an old precursor to Sketchup, to
try. It was like E (an old early modeling SGI program), but he didn't
like it --over AutoCad-- cuz it did not have a "stretch" function.

nb

On 12/24/2016 9:14 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2016-12-24, Leon wrote:

New to you maybe but a very old method of drawing. Sketchup is pretty much
'it' for woodworking.

Too bad Gobble never made it fer Linux. I've never quite understood
Gobble's reluctance. C'mon, their entire server system is Linux.

Anywho, I gave my ex lead designer an old precursor to Sketchup, to
try. It was like E (an old early modeling SGI program), but he didn't
like it --over AutoCad-- cuz it did not have a "stretch" function.

nb



Google was just an interim owner of Sketchup. Sketchup was originally
developed by another company that charged for the product. Some years
later Google bought Sketchup and offered it as a free tool.

About 3 years ago Google sold Sketchup to Trimble, a software company.

In article WvWdnYHFlfT4LsPFnZ2dnUU7-
, lcb11211@swbelldotnet
says...

On 12/24/2016 9:14 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2016-12-24, Leon wrote:

New to you maybe but a very old method of drawing. Sketchup is pretty much
'it' for woodworking.

Too bad Gobble never made it fer Linux. I've never quite understood
Gobble's reluctance. C'mon, their entire server system is Linux.

Anywho, I gave my ex lead designer an old precursor to Sketchup, to
try. It was like E (an old early modeling SGI program), but he didn't
like it --over AutoCad-- cuz it did not have a "stretch" function.

nb



Google was just an interim owner of Sketchup. Sketchup was originally
developed by another company that charged for the product. Some years
later Google bought Sketchup and offered it as a free tool.

About 3 years ago Google sold Sketchup to Trimble, a software company.

Trimble's not actually a software company--
they're a GPS, navigation systems, and surveying
systems company with a large software component.

notbob wrote:
On 2016-12-24, Leon wrote:

New to you maybe but a very old method of drawing. Sketchup is pretty much
'it' for woodworking.
Too bad Gobble never made it fer Linux. I've never quite understood
Gobble's reluctance. C'mon, their entire server system is Linux.

Does SketchUp not run on WINE? When there are more Linux users, there
will be more software ported to it. BTW, Google sold SU to another
company in recent years, I believe.

Bill




Anywho, I gave my ex lead designer an old precursor to Sketchup, to
try. It was like E (an old early modeling SGI program), but he didn't
like it --over AutoCad-- cuz it did not have a "stretch" function.

nb

Bill wrote in
news

Does SketchUp not run on WINE? When there are more Linux users, there
will be more software ported to it. BTW, Google sold SU to another
company in recent years, I believe.

Bill




It's coming. Linux will eventually make it to the desktop in a big way.

Windows is on its way out, people are tired of constant updates, they're
tired of being spied on, they're slowly coming to realize their systems
were pwned from the moment Windows was installed *for real this time*.
Windows 7 will be the last version of Windows for me unless something
changes.

Hey, I just saw Raspberry Pi's desktop was ported to run on X86. I've
used it on the Pi, it's nice.

Puckdropper
--
http://www.puckdroppersplace.us/rec.woodworking
A mini archive of some of rec.woodworking's best and worst!

On 24 Dec 2016 22:50:49 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Bill wrote in
news

Does SketchUp not run on WINE? When there are more Linux users, there
will be more software ported to it. BTW, Google sold SU to another
company in recent years, I believe.

Bill




It's coming. Linux will eventually make it to the desktop in a big way.

Windows is on its way out, people are tired of constant updates, they're
tired of being spied on, they're slowly coming to realize their systems
were pwned from the moment Windows was installed *for real this time*.
Windows 7 will be the last version of Windows for me unless something
changes.

I've been hearing that for almost thirty years.

Hey, I just saw Raspberry Pi's desktop was ported to run on X86. I've
used it on the Pi, it's nice.

Puckdropper

Puckdropper wrote:
Bill wrote in
news
Does SketchUp not run on WINE? When there are more Linux users, there
will be more software ported to it. BTW, Google sold SU to another
company in recent years, I believe.

Bill



It's coming. Linux will eventually make it to the desktop in a big way.

Windows is on its way out, people are tired of constant updates, they're
tired of being spied on, they're slowly coming to realize their systems
were pwned from the moment Windows was installed *for real this time*.
Windows 7 will be the last version of Windows for me unless something
changes.

I have Linux installed as a dual boot. Mostly, I like Linux for running
some freeware Java programs of foreign origin, in which I then don't
have to instill "my full faith and trust".



Hey, I just saw Raspberry Pi's desktop was ported to run on X86. I've
used it on the Pi, it's nice.

Puckdropper

Puckdropper puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote in
eb.com:

Bill wrote in
news

Does SketchUp not run on WINE? When there are more Linux users,
there will be more software ported to it. BTW, Google sold SU to
another company in recent years, I believe.

Bill




It's coming. Linux will eventually make it to the desktop in a
big way.

Windows is on its way out, people are tired of constant updates,
they're tired of being spied on, they're slowly coming to realize
their systems were pwned from the moment Windows was installed
*for real this time*. Windows 7 will be the last version of
Windows for me unless something changes.

Hey, I just saw Raspberry Pi's desktop was ported to run on X86.
I've used it on the Pi, it's nice.

Puckdropper

For those who think Linux doesn't do "constant updates", guess again.
Almost every distro is updated daily. You mentioned Raspberry Pi and
if you did any work at all on the Raspbian system (a specialized Debian
distribution) you would be doing apt-get update/apt-get upograde and
see that the software has updates EVERY day. The only difference is
that Linux users are not required to update their system (exception of
Windows 10 Professional can turn off auto updates), but there must be a
reason for updates. If you don't want to upate your system, you will
have to live with the results. Your call. The thing is most Windows
users are more interested in using it, not maintaining it.

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:55:48 -0800
Electric Comet wrote:


have been trying out a program for making 3d models called openscad

lots of models on thigiverse

also notice that 3d printers like this software much better than some
of the commercial software

so it talks correctly to cnc whereas other popular ones do not

On Fri, 23 Dec 2016 18:55:48 -0800
Electric Comet wrote:

instead of clicking a mouse to create your object you define it
programatically

the program can only be used by defining parts programatically

there is no mouse interface at all

the built in editor is not much help
it does not do function completion or anything thing like that

but they are not even at version 1 yet so it is a wip