the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
to cut wider material

they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running

would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
place in the woodshop

if they do how do they fit in

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet wrote:

the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
to cut wider material

they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running

would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
place in the woodshop

if they do how do they fit in

The radial arm saw can also rip. A miter saw, slider or not, can not.
Also, when not in use the radial arm saw provides more storage/assembly area.

Electric Comet writes:
the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
to cut wider material

Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.

You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.

You can't rip with a CMS.

You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:00:42 -0500
Gordon Shumway wrote:

The radial arm saw can also rip. A miter saw, slider or not, can not.
Also, when not in use the radial arm saw provides more
storage/assembly area.

forgot they can rip and that is a big difference

but i am not sure if that is a big enough selling point for potential
purchasers

i have never ripped on a radial arm saw but i guess in a pinch it is
a useful feature but i would not make it my go to method for ripping

of course you could rip thicker material than a skil saw

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:17:32 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Electric Comet writes:
the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
to cut wider material

Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.

You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.

You can't rip with a CMS.

You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.

There is a ton of things you cannot do with a slider. Not the least of
which is to use it as a sander, or buffer.

On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Electric Comet writes:
the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
be the ability to cut wider material

Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
You can't rip with a CMS.
You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.

You can do all those things with a table saw.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote:

the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
to cut wider material

Can you rip on your CMS?

they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running

Huh?

would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
place in the woodshop

I'd never buy one again but I have one (that needs to be put back
together).

if they do how do they fit in

They're better at some operations than a table saw. The depth for
dados and ploughs sets the thickness of the remaining material, rather
than the material removed. Since, in a cross cut operation (cut or
dado), you're not moving the material, it can be easier to get a good
cut. There is a board you're cutting against (cleaner kerf - less
tear out).

The downside is that rips are a bit scary, the reason I stopped using
mine. If had mine come after me on a crosscut, too. That's pretty
scary.

Cheap RASs (including all Crapsman) also aren't really stout enough,
though. The arms flex.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 18:20:21 -0600, Just Wondering
wrote:

On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Electric Comet writes:
the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
be the ability to cut wider material

Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
You can't rip with a CMS.
You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.

You can do all those things with a table saw.

The only big advantage of the RAS is its required floor space. They
can be stuck up against a wall, which *really* limits the utility of a
table saw.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:36:03 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote:

the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
to cut wider material

Can you rip on your CMS?

they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running

Huh?

would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
place in the woodshop

I'd never buy one again but I have one (that needs to be put back
together).

if they do how do they fit in

They're better at some operations than a table saw. The depth for
dados and ploughs sets the thickness of the remaining material, rather
than the material removed. Since, in a cross cut operation (cut or
dado), you're not moving the material, it can be easier to get a good
cut. There is a board you're cutting against (cleaner kerf - less
tear out).

The downside is that rips are a bit scary, the reason I stopped using
mine. If had mine come after me on a crosscut, too. That's pretty
scary.


If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.

Cheap RASs (including all Crapsman) also aren't really stout enough,
though. The arms flex.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:36:03 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote:

the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
to cut wider material

Can you rip on your CMS?

they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running

Huh?

would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
place in the woodshop

I'd never buy one again but I have one (that needs to be put back
together).

if they do how do they fit in

They're better at some operations than a table saw. The depth for
dados and ploughs sets the thickness of the remaining material, rather
than the material removed. Since, in a cross cut operation (cut or
dado), you're not moving the material, it can be easier to get a good
cut. There is a board you're cutting against (cleaner kerf - less
tear out).

The downside is that rips are a bit scary, the reason I stopped using
mine. If had mine come after me on a crosscut, too. That's pretty
scary.


If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.

Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
RAS. A slider is even worse.

Cheap RASs (including all Crapsman) also aren't really stout enough,
though. The arms flex.

On 7/16/2016 10:39 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:36:03 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote:

the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
to cut wider material

Can you rip on your CMS?

they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running

Huh?

would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
place in the woodshop

I'd never buy one again but I have one (that needs to be put back
together).

if they do how do they fit in

They're better at some operations than a table saw. The depth for
dados and ploughs sets the thickness of the remaining material, rather
than the material removed. Since, in a cross cut operation (cut or
dado), you're not moving the material, it can be easier to get a good
cut. There is a board you're cutting against (cleaner kerf - less
tear out).

The downside is that rips are a bit scary, the reason I stopped using
mine. If had mine come after me on a crosscut, too. That's pretty
scary.


If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.

Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
RAS. A slider is even worse.

The trade off might be more tear out on the top side of the cut.

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW
wrote:


If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.

Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
RAS. A slider is even worse.

We talking about push instead of pull? If so, the work piece isn't being
held firmly by the fence. Instead, the blade is trying to pick up the front
edge; if it does, things could get nasty. Better to mitigate any tendency
of the blade to climb by using a blade with a low rake.

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:04:33 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW
wrote:


If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.

Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
RAS. A slider is even worse.

We talking about push instead of pull? If so, the work piece isn't being
held firmly by the fence. Instead, the blade is trying to pick up the front
edge; if it does, things could get nasty. Better to mitigate any tendency
of the blade to climb by using a blade with a low rake.

Yes, the blade is trying to lift the board but it's still pushing
against the fence. A climbing blade isn't exactly a fun time, either.
These are the reasons I haven't used my RAS in over 20 years. I have
a table saw, so I don't miss it.

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:13:57 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 7/16/2016 10:39 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 22:36:03 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 12:34:06 -0700, Electric Comet
wrote:

the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
to cut wider material

Can you rip on your CMS?

they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running

Huh?

would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
place in the woodshop

I'd never buy one again but I have one (that needs to be put back
together).

if they do how do they fit in

They're better at some operations than a table saw. The depth for
dados and ploughs sets the thickness of the remaining material, rather
than the material removed. Since, in a cross cut operation (cut or
dado), you're not moving the material, it can be easier to get a good
cut. There is a board you're cutting against (cleaner kerf - less
tear out).

The downside is that rips are a bit scary, the reason I stopped using
mine. If had mine come after me on a crosscut, too. That's pretty
scary.


If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.

Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
RAS. A slider is even worse.

The trade off might be more tear out on the top side of the cut.

I skim the surface on the way out, and lower on the way in. Easier to
do on a slider since you don't have to crank it down.

But on wood cuts that don't matter I just make a cut going in.

On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:04:33 -0400, "dadiOH" wrote:


wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 20:43:02 -0700, OFWW
wrote:


If you cut from outside in they shouldn't come after you. That problem
is inherent on RAS and sliding miter saws.

Actually, I'd never thought of cutting the opposite direction. It
makes sense, though it makes setup a rather clumbsy operation on a
RAS. A slider is even worse.

We talking about push instead of pull? If so, the work piece isn't being
held firmly by the fence. Instead, the blade is trying to pick up the front
edge; if it does, things could get nasty. Better to mitigate any tendency
of the blade to climb by using a blade with a low rake.


use a hold down clamp, or your hand. I'd never let a board float under
any circumstance.The blade only climbs on the way out, just like a
slider saw does.

I've always been more careful with my table saw as it too can lift and
throw wood under the right circumstances.

As far as I am concerned all power saws are dangerous, except a band
saw perhaps.

OFWW wrote in
:


use a hold down clamp, or your hand. I'd never let a board float under
any circumstance.The blade only climbs on the way out, just like a
slider saw does.

I've always been more careful with my table saw as it too can lift and
throw wood under the right circumstances.

As far as I am concerned all power saws are dangerous, except a band
saw perhaps.


The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.

Puckdropper

On 17 Jul 2016 11:51:28 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

OFWW wrote in
:


use a hold down clamp, or your hand. I'd never let a board float under
any circumstance.The blade only climbs on the way out, just like a
slider saw does.

I've always been more careful with my table saw as it too can lift and
throw wood under the right circumstances.

As far as I am concerned all power saws are dangerous, except a band
saw perhaps.


The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.

You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
your hands into the sharp stuff, either.

On 7/17/2016 11:05 AM, wrote:


The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.

You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
your hands into the sharp stuff, either.


They take their share of fingers though
https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/Accide... yword_list=on

On 17 Jul 2016 11:51:28 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

OFWW wrote in
:


use a hold down clamp, or your hand. I'd never let a board float under
any circumstance.The blade only climbs on the way out, just like a
slider saw does.

I've always been more careful with my table saw as it too can lift and
throw wood under the right circumstances.

As far as I am concerned all power saws are dangerous, except a band
saw perhaps.


The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.

Puckdropper

True enough.

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:26:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/17/2016 11:05 AM, wrote:


The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.

You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
your hands into the sharp stuff, either.


They take their share of fingers though
https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/Accide... yword_list=on

A *lot* of the amputations are by meat cutters. They operate the
tools a little differently than woodworkers. The lacerations aren't
such a bid deal. The only time I did a number on myself with my table
saw, it was off. OTOH, surprisingly, there are a lot more than table
saws, presumably because there are so many more (meat cutting)
bandsaws in operation.

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:26:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/17/2016 11:05 AM, wrote:


The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.

You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
your hands into the sharp stuff, either.


They take their share of fingers though
https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/Accide... yword_list=on

Well the hint there is "Don't cut meat" on a bandsaw.
I wonder how much of that was due to cutting frozen meat.

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 12:26:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 7/17/2016 11:05 AM, wrote:


The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.

You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
your hands into the sharp stuff, either.


They take their share of fingers though
https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/Accide... yword_list=on

Well the hint there is "Don't cut meat" on a bandsaw.
I wonder how much of that was due to cutting frozen meat.

If you read the first one, he wasn't even cutting anything--some kind of
powered vise on the saw crushed his finger. That's something you have
to be careful about with such reports--they don't quite report what you
think they report.

wrote in :

On 17 Jul 2016 11:51:28 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.

You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
your hands into the sharp stuff, either.

I've sawn several logs that have been comprised of hard and soft spots.
You push at a pressure level appropriate to keep the feed going through the
hard stuff, and when you get to the soft stuff it just flies. By the time
you react, the wood is 2-3" further than when you said "ooh!" and went to
adjust.

While the saw isn't pulling your hands in, they are heading towards the
danger zone and suddenly accelerating can be just like being pulled in.

Puckdropper

On 17 Jul 2016 20:28:39 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

wrote in :

On 17 Jul 2016 11:51:28 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

The bandsaw is just as dangerous as the other saws. It feels tame, but
will slice through something without a second thought. It's much less
likely to throw something, but that's the only bit that's really safer.

You don't tend to feed as fast into a bandsaw (as a TS or RAS), so
reaction time helps. Bandsaws don't tend to grab the piece and pull
your hands into the sharp stuff, either.

I've sawn several logs that have been comprised of hard and soft spots.
You push at a pressure level appropriate to keep the feed going through the
hard stuff, and when you get to the soft stuff it just flies. By the time
you react, the wood is 2-3" further than when you said "ooh!" and went to
adjust.

Good point but I'd think an alarm should go off in your head when it
doesn't feed evenly.

While the saw isn't pulling your hands in, they are heading towards the
danger zone and suddenly accelerating can be just like being pulled in.

I've had that happen on a RAS, ripping bowed wood (rubbing against the
guard "nose"). The abnormal resistance is a warning.

Just Wondering writes:
On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Electric Comet writes:
the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
be the ability to cut wider material

Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
You can't rip with a CMS.
You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.

You can do all those things with a table saw.


So what? The OP compared a RAS to a CMS, not a tablesaw.

In any case, I'd much rather dado a wide panel on the RAS
than the TS.

On 7/18/2016 9:58 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Just Wondering writes:
On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Electric Comet writes:
the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
be the ability to cut wider material

Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
You can't rip with a CMS.
You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.

You can do all those things with a table saw.


So what? The OP compared a RAS to a CMS, not a tablesaw.

In any case, I'd much rather dado a wide panel on the RAS
than the TS.


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.
Dado's on narrow panels with a miter gauge is also pretty easy using the
rip fence as a repeatable stop.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 9:58 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Just Wondering writes:
On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Electric Comet writes:
the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
be the ability to cut wider material

Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
You can't rip with a CMS.
You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.

You can do all those things with a table saw.


So what? The OP compared a RAS to a CMS, not a tablesaw.

In any case, I'd much rather dado a wide panel on the RAS
than the TS.


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).

On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 9:58 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Just Wondering writes:
On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Electric Comet writes:
the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
be the ability to cut wider material

Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
You can't rip with a CMS.
You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.

You can do all those things with a table saw.


So what? The OP compared a RAS to a CMS, not a tablesaw.

In any case, I'd much rather dado a wide panel on the RAS
than the TS.


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).



Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a 50+" rip
capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is no issue.

Take a look here.
This was approximately 94" long with 3 dado's on each long panel.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...posted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...posted-public/

This was approximately 8' wide with a dado dead center and near the ends
on the bottom and top panel, 24" deep.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...posted-public/

And this was right at 8' wide with dado's for the dividers between the
side cabinets and the center. Never mind the French model in the
picture. :!)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb112...posted-public/

Actually I build a lot of cabinets with front and back face frames. All
plywood panels lock together with dado's and groves and dado's in the
mating sides of the front and back face frames have to also align with
all of those panels. So accuracy is very important for the x,y,z
components and dado's/groves to all come together at the same time.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).



Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a 50+" rip
capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is no issue.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven dados
on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw, particularly
if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply slide it along on the
RAS extensions (which double as workbench surface).

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:58:33 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Just Wondering writes:
On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Electric Comet writes:
the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to
be the ability to cut wider material

Spoken like someone who has never used a RAS.
You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
You can't rip with a CMS.
You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.

You can do all those things with a table saw.


So what? The OP compared a RAS to a CMS, not a tablesaw.

In any case, I'd much rather dado a wide panel on the RAS
than the TS.

My choice would be a router

On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).

Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a 50+" rip
capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is no issue.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven dados
on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw, particularly
if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply slide it along on the
RAS extensions (which double as workbench surface).

If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room to
support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how, if you're
sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to slide it on a RAS
table than on a table saw table.

On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:21:15 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).



Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a 50+" rip
capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is no issue.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven dados
on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw, particularly
if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply slide it along on the
RAS extensions (which double as workbench surface).

I'd rather use a router but that's just me.

On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 3:36:55 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
the only advantage of radial arm saws over a cms seems to be the ability
to cut wider material

they also are a little more squirrely and i would not say they require
more vigilance but they can require more force to prevent from running

would not consider buying a radial arm saw but maybe they still have a
place in the woodshop

if they do how do they fit in

Hard to cut steel plates on a CMS. Not so hard on a RAS.

Multiple shallow cuts, lowering the blade each time.

BTDT...many times.

On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I
do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip
fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish than
with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a dado on a
24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).

Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a
50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is
no issue.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw,
particularly if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply
slide it along on the RAS extensions (which double as workbench
surface).

If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room to
support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how, if
you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to slide
it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.

I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a saw
across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that piece of
plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never done either.


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On 7/18/16 8:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:21:15 GMT, (Scott
Lurndal) wrote:

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I
do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip
fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish than
with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a dado on a
24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).



Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a
50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is
no issue.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw,
particularly if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply
slide it along on the RAS extensions (which double as workbench
surface).

I'd rather use a router but that's just me.


For that particular operation, I would probably go to my router and my
dado jig.
I would have it done in the time it took me to put the dado stack on my
RAS and set the height properly. However, if I had a bunch to do, I
might go with the RAS for the horsepower and better dust collection,
plus i could set up some stops for repeated cuts.


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On 7/18/2016 9:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I
do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip
fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish than
with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a dado on a
24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).

Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a
50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is
no issue.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw,
particularly if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply
slide it along on the RAS extensions (which double as workbench
surface).

If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room to
support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how, if
you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to slide
it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.

I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a saw
across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that piece of
plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never done either.

I have actually done both. That kind of "cross" moving on a table saw
is easy with a simple sled. I had a RAS and got rid of it, and have
never regretted doing it.

On 7/18/2016 10:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I
do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip
fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish than
with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a dado on a
24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).

Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a
50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is
no issue.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw,
particularly if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply
slide it along on the RAS extensions (which double as workbench
surface).

If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room to
support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how, if
you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to slide
it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.

I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a saw
across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that piece of
plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never done either.



Well actually regardless if you are using a TS or a RAS you are moving
the work either on top of or under a blade. Having used both for years,
starting with a RAS, I naturally migrated to do all cutting on a TS. I
kept the RAS until I upgraded to a saw with 48"+ rip capacity, I even
quit using my CMS after that.

On 7/18/2016 12:21 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS. I do many on
the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the rip fence and proper
precautions is easier to accomplish than with a RAS. A RAS does have
its limits, putting a dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).



Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have a 50+" rip
capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long panel is no issue.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven dados
on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a tablesaw, particularly
if one is space-constrained. Much easier to simply slide it along on the
RAS extensions (which double as workbench surface).


Not a problem at all, I was not wanting to get in to which is better
debate and I am glad that it did not go there. But as some of my
pictures showed, 24" long dado's would be pretty tough on most RAS's.

FWIW that 50+" to the right of the blade doubles as a workbench surface
for me. ;~)

On 7/19/16 1:55 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 7/18/2016 9:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS.
I do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the
rip fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish
than with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a
dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).

Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have
a 50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long
panel is no issue.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a
tablesaw, particularly if one is space-constrained. Much
easier to simply slide it along on the RAS extensions (which
double as workbench surface).

If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room
to support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how,
if you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to
slide it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.

I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a
saw across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that
piece of plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never
done either.

I have actually done both. That kind of "cross" moving on a table
saw is easy with a simple sled. I had a RAS and got rid of it, and
have never regretted doing it.


I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of plywood
hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end of an 8ft
board. My RAS is built into the workbench that run lengthwise in the
shop and easily supports 10 or 12 feet in both directions of whatever
I'm crosscutting.


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On 7/19/16 8:19 AM, Leon wrote:
On 7/18/2016 10:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS.
I do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the
rip fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish
than with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a
dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).

Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have
a 50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long
panel is no issue.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a
tablesaw, particularly if one is space-constrained. Much
easier to simply slide it along on the RAS extensions (which
double as workbench surface).

If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room
to support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how,
if you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to
slide it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.

I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a
saw across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that
piece of plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never
done either.



Well actually regardless if you are using a TS or a RAS you are
moving the work either on top of or under a blade. Having used both
for years, starting with a RAS, I naturally migrated to do all
cutting on a TS. I kept the RAS until I upgraded to a saw with 48"+
rip capacity, I even quit using my CMS after that.

The whole point is that you're *not* moving the work during the cut with
a RAS, you're moving the saw. All things equal, it's much easier to
move the saw on a RAS than to move an 8'x16" piece of plywood, sideways,
on s TS.

This concept is proven by the growing popularity of track saws, no?


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