On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:

I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of plywood
hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end of an 8ft
board.

My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.


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On 7/19/16 12:14 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:

I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of
plywood hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end
of an 8ft board.

My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.


You still have to hold it down, unless your miter slots are t-track or
something.
In any case, I guess we're all set up differently and come up with ways
to make things easier for our particular set-ups, which is the real sign
of a good woodworker. :-)


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-MIKE- writes:
On 7/19/16 12:14 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:

I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of
plywood hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end
of an 8ft board.

My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.


You still have to hold it down, unless your miter slots are t-track or
something.
In any case, I guess we're all set up differently and come up with ways
to make things easier for our particular set-ups, which is the real sign
of a good woodworker. :-)


yep, and crosscutting a 96" board on a tablesaw, even with a sled, makes
me nervous][*]. In my Dad's shop[**], I'll use the RAS. In my shop[***], I'll use
a router to cut the dadoes. We both have cabinet saws, but neither of us
have sufficient space on either side of the TS to crosscut dadoes with a sled
on long stock.
[*] too easy to cock it a bit and screw up the dado.
[**] Basement
[***] Garage

On 7/19/2016 12:14 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:

I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of plywood
hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end of an 8ft
board.

My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.



Or support the long panel with a "same thickness as sled" strip of wood.
I cut 8' lengths of 1x8 lumber with my sled and often 6' hangs past the
right side of the sled. I simply put a narrow strip under the panel/on
top of the extension table, to hole it up.

On 7/19/2016 1:12 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/19/16 12:14 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:

I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of
plywood hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end
of an 8ft board.

My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.


You still have to hold it down, unless your miter slots are t-track or
something.
In any case, I guess we're all set up differently and come up with ways
to make things easier for our particular set-ups, which is the real sign
of a good woodworker. :-)





Precisely! ;~)

On 7/19/2016 1:29 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
-MIKE- writes:
On 7/19/16 12:14 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:58:29 -0500, -MIKE- wrote:

I have a sled, too, and it doesn't support the other 6 feet of
plywood hanging off the side of the saw, when cutting near the end
of an 8ft board.

My sled has a couple of grooves for clamps - problem solved.


You still have to hold it down, unless your miter slots are t-track or
something.
In any case, I guess we're all set up differently and come up with ways
to make things easier for our particular set-ups, which is the real sign
of a good woodworker. :-)


yep, and crosscutting a 96" board on a tablesaw, even with a sled, makes
me nervous][*]. In my Dad's shop[**], I'll use the RAS. In my shop[***], I'll use
a router to cut the dadoes. We both have cabinet saws, but neither of us
have sufficient space on either side of the TS to crosscut dadoes with a sled
on long stock.

[*] too easy to cock it a bit and screw up the dado.
[**] Basement
[***] Garage



I am going to add that when I cut long dado's across long panels, on my
TS, I use a helper to insure that the panel stays against the fence.

Do this a few hundred times and you get pretty accustomed to performing
that cut.

With out a helper I would agree that the RAS would be easier for some
dado's.

On 7/19/2016 11:07 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/19/16 8:19 AM, Leon wrote:
On 7/18/2016 10:23 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 7/18/16 8:26 PM, Just Wondering wrote:
On 7/18/2016 11:21 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:
On 7/18/2016 11:18 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet writes:


Actually I have done both, wide dado's on a RAS and a TS.
I do many on the TS and IMHO a wide panel along with the
rip fence and proper precautions is easier to accomplish
than with a RAS. A RAS does have its limits, putting a
dado on a 24" wide panel on a TS is a piece of cake.

Not when it's 84" long (e.g. a bookshelf side).

Actually I have done this on almost 96" long panels. I have
a 50+" rip capacity so getting to the middle of an 8' long
panel is no issue.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Cross-cutting six or seven
dados on a 84" (or 96")x16 shelf support is a pain on a
tablesaw, particularly if one is space-constrained. Much
easier to simply slide it along on the RAS extensions (which
double as workbench surface).

If you have room for RAS extensions that size, you also have room
to support the work coming off a table saw. I fail to see how,
if you're sliding a long board across a sawblade, it's easier to
slide it on a RAS table than on a table saw table.

I'm sorry, but your failure to see how it would easier to move a
saw across an 8'x16" piece of plywood than it would be to move that
piece of plywood, sideways, across a tablesaw shows that you never
done either.



Well actually regardless if you are using a TS or a RAS you are
moving the work either on top of or under a blade. Having used both
for years, starting with a RAS, I naturally migrated to do all
cutting on a TS. I kept the RAS until I upgraded to a saw with 48"+
rip capacity, I even quit using my CMS after that.

The whole point is that you're *not* moving the work during the cut with
a RAS, you're moving the saw. All things equal, it's much easier to
move the saw on a RAS than to move an 8'x16" piece of plywood, sideways,
on s TS.

True, but with proper set up, cutting that on a TS repeatedly might be
faster on a TS. You do have to be more careful but my wife and I do
dado cuts on wide panels on the TS with just about every job I do. And
I hardly give her any instructions except to push on the end of the
panel to insure constant square contact with the fence.

Doing with only one person would absolutely put me in the RAS camp but
my previous RAS could not do dado's as long as what I do with my TS.


This concept is proven by the growing popularity of track saws, no?


I think we were talking dado's on long panels, probably not possible
with a track saw. ;~)

On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 5:19:16 PM UTC-7, Just Wondering wrote:
On 7/15/2016 2:17 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

You can't dado (as opposed to grove) with a CMS.
You can't rip with a CMS.
You can't put a moulding cutter on a CMS.

You can do all those things with a table saw.

With the right attachments, a radial arm saw can do planing and
act as horizontal borer, neither of which is a table saw capability,

As a one-man crosscut saw, the RAS can be replaced
with cheap (and light) miter saws, but not easily by a table saw.

On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:00:42 -0500
Gordon Shumway wrote:

The radial arm saw can also rip. A miter saw, slider or not, can not.


in the war department manual i linked to there are pictures of an old
dewalt radial arm saw and it looks like they attached a router bit to
it and used it sort of like a shaper

they also show it being used for ripping and plowing

i had never even heard of plowing in woodwork context so that is a new
term for me

Electric Comet wrote in news:nn6jpi$oio$2
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i had never even heard of plowing in woodwork context so that is a new
term for me

It's usually spelled "ploughing" in this context, and
now-a-days is usually only used when referring to cutting
a groove with a handplane (which, predictably, is called a
"plough plane").

John

John McCoy writes:
Electric Comet wrote in news:nn6jpi$oio$2
:

i had never even heard of plowing in woodwork context so that is a new
term for me

It's usually spelled "ploughing" in this context, and
now-a-days is usually only used when referring to cutting
a groove with a handplane (which, predictably, is called a
"plough plane").


Like my trusty Stanley #46, which can plow dadoes[*] in addition
to grooves. http://www.supertool.com/StanleyBG/stan7.htm
[*] Using knickers to prevent tearout.

Or these, which come in both right-hand and left-hand versions:

http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/pag...at=1,230,41182

You need to buy (or at least borrow) one or the other depends on the type of task you'd need. Both works differently. Table saws work perfectly when cutting huge pieces of wood especially plywood but if you need to have angled cuts, the RAS works better. Maybe it will do you good to read something like the link below to fully understand, too.

http://woodworkingtoolkit.com/radial...-vs-table-saw/

On 8/10/2016 7:09 AM, wrote:
You need to buy (or at least borrow) one or the other depends on the
type of task you'd need. Both works differently. Table saws work
perfectly when cutting huge pieces of wood especially plywood but if
you need to have angled cuts, the RAS works better. Maybe it will do
you good to read something like the link below to fully understand,
too.

http://woodworkingtoolkit.com/radial...-vs-table-saw/




Cutting miters on a TS is no problem at all for the experienced and with
a decent miter gauge. I have no problem cutting miters at all with my
TS and Incra miter gauge.

And with a sled, like the Dubby, miters on a TS are easy even for a novice.