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On Topic. How to stretch a board.
I have seen this joint (or one similar) before.
I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y -- Jeff |
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote:
I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. |
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Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine (not that they used one). Thanks for sharing! Bill |
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400
woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. seems like they were fitting the final peg or at least that is what i interpreted from watching it saw a video where the architect wanted vast spans with no need for load bearing posts in the room it was in japan and the design included only joinery techniques with no metal he designed the joint in cad and it was so complex that it could only be done by machine the joints were curved but did something similar to these joints all the master carpenters agreed that only a machine could provide the precision required the room was actually a music hall iirc |
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woodchucker wrote:
I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y Looks like it did not fit as well on the left side of the joint. The right side was beautiful. -- GW Ross Prozac, cause sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. |
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On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 05:53:51 -0400, "G. Ross"
wrote: woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y Looks like it did not fit as well on the left side of the joint. The right side was beautiful. The left side "poor fit" was to allow dissassenbly by driving in a wedge, as clearly shown later in the video. |
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On Thu, 9 Jun 2016 05:53:51 -0400, "G. Ross" wrote: woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y Looks like it did not fit as well on the left side of the joint. The right side was beautiful. The left side "poor fit" was to allow dissassenbly by driving in a wedge, as clearly shown later in the video. Now I see. It is not the surface but the deeper part of the assembly that has a slot. Thanks. -- GW Ross Prozac, cause sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. |
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Gordon Shumway wrote in
: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. Made, no doubt, with negative set. John |
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On 6/8/2016 10:48 PM, Bill wrote:
Gordon Shumway wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine (not that they used one). Thanks for sharing! Bill WHATTTTT???? That makes no sense Bill -- Jeff |
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woodchucker wrote:
On 6/8/2016 10:48 PM, Bill wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine. Thanks for sharing! Bill WHATTTTT???? That makes no sense Bill Are you sure??? I thought it was remarkable engineering. I wonder if the guy who made the joint could cut nice dovetails too? |
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On 6/9/2016 4:12 PM, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote: On 6/8/2016 10:48 PM, Bill wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine. Thanks for sharing! Bill WHATTTTT???? That makes no sense Bill Are you sure??? I thought it was remarkable engineering. I wonder if the guy who made the joint could cut nice dovetails too? Probably learned DT's while still in diapers. |
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On Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:25:44 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That's the tool you need when you've cut the board twice and it's still too short. |
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On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 5:13:31 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote: On 6/8/2016 10:48 PM, Bill wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine. Thanks for sharing! Bill WHATTTTT???? That makes no sense Bill Are you sure??? I thought it was remarkable engineering. I wonder if the guy who made the joint could cut nice dovetails too? I was confused by your comment also. What did you mean by "I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine."? |
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DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 5:13:31 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: woodchucker wrote: On 6/8/2016 10:48 PM, Bill wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine. Thanks for sharing! Bill WHATTTTT???? That makes no sense Bill Are you sure??? I thought it was remarkable engineering. I wonder if the guy who made the joint could cut nice dovetails too? I was confused by your comment also. What did you mean by "I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine."? That I found it more a feat of engineering than a feat of woodworking. Nothing more...but my comment seems to have offended some. No offense intended--honest! Bill |
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On 6/10/2016 2:59 PM, Bill wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 5:13:31 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: woodchucker wrote: On 6/8/2016 10:48 PM, Bill wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine. Thanks for sharing! Bill WHATTTTT???? That makes no sense Bill Are you sure??? I thought it was remarkable engineering. I wonder if the guy who made the joint could cut nice dovetails too? I was confused by your comment also. What did you mean by "I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine."? That I found it more a feat of engineering than a feat of woodworking. Nothing more...but my comment seems to have offended some. No offense intended--honest! Bill Quite the contrary. I have a book on joints(somewhere in the house) , many of which I could not make, and it goes back hundreds of years that these joints have been made. Many are no longer done, probably because of the skill required, and the fact that we have other ways of doing things these days (steel bolts and plates). Some are quite exotic. The one in the video is simple, yet complex. -- Jeff |
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woodchucker wrote:
On 6/10/2016 2:59 PM, Bill wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 5:13:31 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: woodchucker wrote: On 6/8/2016 10:48 PM, Bill wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine. Thanks for sharing! Bill WHATTTTT???? That makes no sense Bill Are you sure??? I thought it was remarkable engineering. I wonder if the guy who made the joint could cut nice dovetails too? I was confused by your comment also. What did you mean by "I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine."? That I found it more a feat of engineering than a feat of woodworking. Nothing more...but my comment seems to have offended some. No offense intended--honest! Bill Quite the contrary. I have a book on joints(somewhere in the house) , I have two, one really old ("Woodworking Joints", by Fairham) and "The Joint Book" by Terrie Noll. The latter has colored diagrams throughout and that would be the one I would select if I could only have one of these two. I see Amazon has some others too. Bill many of which I could not make, and it goes back hundreds of years that these joints have been made. Many are no longer done, probably because of the skill required, and the fact that we have other ways of doing things these days (steel bolts and plates). Some are quite exotic. The one in the video is simple, yet complex. |
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On 6/10/2016 2:59 PM, Bill wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 5:13:31 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: woodchucker wrote: On 6/8/2016 10:48 PM, Bill wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine. Thanks for sharing! Bill WHATTTTT???? That makes no sense Bill Are you sure??? I thought it was remarkable engineering. I wonder if the guy who made the joint could cut nice dovetails too? I was confused by your comment also. What did you mean by "I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine."? That I found it more a feat of engineering than a feat of woodworking. Nothing more...but my comment seems to have offended some. No offense intended--honest! Bill I don't find it offensive at all, but i do find it bewildering. My interpretation: That cabinet you made is nice, but Ikea has cabinets too. They use CNC machines, well programmed. We don't need no stinkin traditional skills. |
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On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 7:15:17 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 6/10/2016 2:59 PM, Bill wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 5:13:31 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: woodchucker wrote: On 6/8/2016 10:48 PM, Bill wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine. Thanks for sharing! Bill WHATTTTT???? That makes no sense Bill Are you sure??? I thought it was remarkable engineering. I wonder if the guy who made the joint could cut nice dovetails too? I was confused by your comment also. What did you mean by "I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine."? That I found it more a feat of engineering than a feat of woodworking. Nothing more...but my comment seems to have offended some. No offense intended--honest! Bill I don't find it offensive at all, but i do find it bewildering. My interpretation: That cabinet you made is nice, but Ikea has cabinets too. They use CNC machines, well programmed. We don't need no stinkin traditional skills. That's kind of where I was at. |
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DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 7:15:17 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 6/10/2016 2:59 PM, Bill wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 5:13:31 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: woodchucker wrote: On 6/8/2016 10:48 PM, Bill wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine. Thanks for sharing! Bill WHATTTTT???? That makes no sense Bill Are you sure??? I thought it was remarkable engineering. I wonder if the guy who made the joint could cut nice dovetails too? I was confused by your comment also. What did you mean by "I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine."? That I found it more a feat of engineering than a feat of woodworking. Nothing more...but my comment seems to have offended some. No offense intended--honest! Bill I don't find it offensive at all, but i do find it bewildering. My interpretation: That cabinet you made is nice, but Ikea has cabinets too. They use CNC machines, well programmed. We don't need no stinkin traditional skills. That's kind of where I was at. Ed Pawlowski (sarcastically, I believe) well-captured much of my reaction. My soul was not as touched as it might be if I were looking at a nice piece of furniture. However, I'm sure the builder having the need for the long beam was very satisfied! I am not really "into" woodworking for its technological elements--in fact, probably just the opposite is true. It may sound strange to hear that I think I would rather go back in time with it--not forward in time with it, if that makes any sense. So the novel engineering joint struck me thus. YMMV. I think folks are over-thinking this! : ) Bill |
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On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 9:03:12 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote: On Friday, June 10, 2016 at 7:15:17 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 6/10/2016 2:59 PM, Bill wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 5:13:31 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote: woodchucker wrote: On 6/8/2016 10:48 PM, Bill wrote: Gordon Shumway wrote: On Wed, 8 Jun 2016 21:35:06 -0400, woodchucker wrote: I have seen this joint (or one similar) before. I thought it was cool to see how they put it together and take it apart. Appears to be really strong too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NYqAGvgM2Y All this time I've been using my negative kerf blade. That represents an interesting category of joinery. I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine. Thanks for sharing! Bill WHATTTTT???? That makes no sense Bill Are you sure??? I thought it was remarkable engineering. I wonder if the guy who made the joint could cut nice dovetails too? I was confused by your comment also. What did you mean by "I find it hard to praise something that is probably best cranked out by a cnc machine."? That I found it more a feat of engineering than a feat of woodworking. Nothing more...but my comment seems to have offended some. No offense intended--honest! Bill I don't find it offensive at all, but i do find it bewildering. My interpretation: That cabinet you made is nice, but Ikea has cabinets too. They use CNC machines, well programmed. We don't need no stinkin traditional skills. That's kind of where I was at. Ed Pawlowski (sarcastically, I believe) well-captured much of my reaction. My soul was not as touched as it might be if I were looking at a nice piece of furniture. However, I'm sure the builder having the need for the long beam was very satisfied! I am not really "into" woodworking for its technological elements--in fact, probably just the opposite is true. It may sound strange to hear that I think I would rather go back in time with it--not forward in time with it, if that makes any sense. So the novel engineering joint struck me thus. YMMV. I think folks are over-thinking this! : ) Bill Wait! Am I in the wrong ng? Isn't this rec.overthink-everything? |
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Bill wrote in
: Ed Pawlowski (sarcastically, I believe) well-captured much of my reaction. My soul was not as touched as it might be if I were looking at a nice piece of furniture. That's fair. That joint was not a cabinetry joint, which is the subject we're mainly concerned with. It was a joint from the ship-building or timber-framing world. Interesting from an engineering standpoint, and interesting from a historical standpoint (as others noted, exceptionally complex joints were used in ship-building and timber-framing back to the 1300's), but not especially relevant to furniture. John |
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In article ,
says... Bill wrote in : Ed Pawlowski (sarcastically, I believe) well-captured much of my reaction. My soul was not as touched as it might be if I were looking at a nice piece of furniture. That's fair. That joint was not a cabinetry joint, which is the subject we're mainly concerned with. It was a joint from the ship-building or timber-framing world. Interesting from an engineering standpoint, and interesting from a historical standpoint (as others noted, exceptionally complex joints were used in ship-building and timber-framing back to the 1300's), but not especially relevant to furniture. John Who is this "we"? This isn't rec.fine-furniture-making. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in
: In article , says... That's fair. That joint was not a cabinetry joint, which is the subject we're mainly concerned with. Who is this "we"? This isn't rec.fine-furniture-making. Ah, "we" is the participants in the wreck. Having watched it for a while now, cabinetry of one kind or another - how to do it, what tools to use, etc, etc - is the bulk of the on-topic discussion. Which isn't to say that other wood working topics aren't discussed (not to mention any number of off-topic topics). But furniture has been the core as far back as I can remember. John |
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In article ,
says... "J. Clarke" wrote in : In article , says... That's fair. That joint was not a cabinetry joint, which is the subject we're mainly concerned with. Who is this "we"? This isn't rec.fine-furniture-making. Ah, "we" is the participants in the wreck. Having watched it for a while now, cabinetry of one kind or another - how to do it, what tools to use, etc, etc - is the bulk of the on-topic discussion. Which isn't to say that other wood working topics aren't discussed (not to mention any number of off-topic topics). But furniture has been the core as far back as I can remember. The "core" perhaps but hardly the totality. However it's clear that you want to be netnanny and you need to get over that because nobody likes a netnanny. |
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J. Clarke wrote:
In article , says... "J. Clarke" wrote in : In article , says... That's fair. That joint was not a cabinetry joint, which is the subject we're mainly concerned with. Who is this "we"? This isn't rec.fine-furniture-making. Ah, "we" is the participants in the wreck. Having watched it for a while now, cabinetry of one kind or another - how to do it, what tools to use, etc, etc - is the bulk of the on-topic discussion. Which isn't to say that other wood working topics aren't discussed (not to mention any number of off-topic topics). But furniture has been the core as far back as I can remember. The "core" perhaps but hardly the totality. However it's clear that you want to be netnanny and you need to get over that because nobody likes a netnanny. I think you owe everyone who read your post an apology. |
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