anyone know if there are still logs gettting harvested from lakes

was thinking that it may have all been harvested by now but i wonder


the wood is supposed to be very sought after once it has been
seasoned via air drying

heard that instrument makes really like this wood for its stability

"Electric Comet" wrote in message ...


anyone know if there are still logs gettting harvested from lakes

Yes... lots of it. Ax men shows it happening and there are plenty of other
operations going on.

There are TV shows and large businesses doing that every day.

What lake ? Superior YES.

Swamps in the south - YES.
Any lake that had barges and trains of barges have logs all over.
They are getting fewer but there are plenty.

Martin

On 5/21/2016 1:07 PM, Electric Comet wrote:

anyone know if there are still logs gettting harvested from lakes

was thinking that it may have all been harvested by now but i wonder


the wood is supposed to be very sought after once it has been
seasoned via air drying

heard that instrument makes really like this wood for its stability

Martin Eastburn wrote:

There are TV shows and large businesses doing that every day.

What lake ? Superior YES.

Swamps in the south - YES.
Any lake that had barges and trains of barges have logs all over.
They are getting fewer but there are plenty.

Shelby Stanga - swamp logger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMbYPZXEb8I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M1ihjpNJUE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KFPxSyTkXU

On 2016-05-21, Electric Comet wrote:

the wood is supposed to be very sought after once it has been
seasoned via air drying

Turns out wood is almost indestructible when "waterlogged". Venice
and parts of Naw'lins are built upon whole logs driven into the
wet/submerged earth, then built upon. From what I understand, once
logs are in place, they will last almost indefinitely. It's the logs
that are exposed to air that rot. Look at rotting pilings of old
piers. They always rot away right down near the water line.

nb

On Sat, 21 May 2016 23:31:16 -0500
Martin Eastburn wrote:

What lake ? Superior YES.

only there
thought other lakes would have them too
either natural or by man

Swamps in the south - YES.
Any lake that had barges and trains of barges have logs all over.
They are getting fewer but there are plenty.

did not know they got them from swamps

wonder if there are any in the ocean

On Sun, 22 May 2016 12:57:51 +0000
Spalted Walt wrote:

Shelby Stanga - swamp logger

long way for that guy to go for one log

On Sat, 21 May 2016 14:14:43 -0400
"John Grossbohlin" wrote:

Yes... lots of it. Ax men shows it happening and there are plenty of
other operations going on.

suprising the swamp stuff is any good
would think it would rot quick and be full of bugs

On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 3:23:25 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2016 14:14:43 -0400
"John Grossbohlin" wrote:

Yes... lots of it. Ax men shows it happening and there are plenty of
other operations going on.

suprising the swamp stuff is any good
would think it would rot quick and be full of bugs

Why would you think that?

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 7:39:47 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:

suprising the swamp stuff is any good
would think it would rot quick and be full of bugs

Why would you think that?

Because he's not knowledgeable. Swamp water tends to be low in oxygen, so it preserves boi-matter, rather than promote its decay.

Also, logs in the ocean: There are relative examples, i.e., sunken ships for one. Off shore of Alabama, in the Gulf, there's remnants of an ancient forest of bald cypress. I think the logs/area is protected against salvagers.
http://blog.al.com/live/2012/09/anci...0_miles_o.html

San Francisco plantation, Garyville, La., today the site of Marathon oil refinery: During the expansion of the refinery, some years ago, huge old 15'+ tall cypress stumps were discovered. Silt had covered the stumps, since the trees had been cut, back in the 1800s. The San Francisco Plantation folks recovered one stump, as historical record of what once had been part of the plantation property. The stump/log is on display on the remaining plantation site. All the other stumps, that were discovered, were reburied off/away from the immediate construction site. I suppose it was too expensive the salvage the logs and, also, Marathon didn't allow "outsiders" to enter the construction site, that way. *This info is from my nephew, who was the head Super, for James Construction doing the construction upgrading.. I, personally, never went to see the salvaged log or other logs, though I've wanted to.

Sonny

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 9:15:25 AM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 7:39:47 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:

suprising the swamp stuff is any good
would think it would rot quick and be full of bugs

Why would you think that?

Because he's not knowledgeable. Swamp water tends to be low in oxygen, so it preserves boi-matter, rather than promote its decay.

Also, logs in the ocean: There are relative examples, i.e., sunken ships for one. Off shore of Alabama, in the Gulf, there's remnants of an ancient forest of bald cypress. I think the logs/area is protected against salvagers.
http://blog.al.com/live/2012/09/anci...0_miles_o.html

San Francisco plantation, Garyville, La., today the site of Marathon oil refinery: During the expansion of the refinery, some years ago, huge old 15'+ tall cypress stumps were discovered. Silt had covered the stumps, since the trees had been cut, back in the 1800s. The San Francisco Plantation folks recovered one stump, as historical record of what once had been part of the plantation property. The stump/log is on display on the remaining plantation site. All the other stumps, that were discovered, were reburied off/away from the immediate construction site. I suppose it was too expensive the salvage the logs and, also, Marathon didn't allow "outsiders" to enter the construction site, that way. *This info is from my nephew, who was the head Super, for James Construction doing the construction upgrading. I, personally, never went to see the salvaged log or other logs, though I've wanted to.

Sonny

OK, color me confused...

"All the other stumps, that were discovered, were reburied off/away from
the immediate construction site. I suppose it was too expensive the
salvage the logs..."

Weren't they basically "salvaged" so that they could be moved? Instead of
moving them and reburying them, one would think they could have put them
on a logging truck and taken them off-site for sale. There must have been
a cost to move/rebury them, so some of the "salvage cost" was spent anyway.

I know that there are lots of other factors that I haven't even considered,
but it just seems a shame to let all that wood go to waste.

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 8:28:53 AM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:


OK, color me confused...

"All the other stumps, that were discovered, were reburied off/away from
the immediate construction site. I suppose it was too expensive the
salvage the logs..."

Weren't they basically "salvaged" so that they could be moved? Instead of
moving them and reburying them, one would think they could have put them
on a logging truck and taken them off-site for sale. There must have been
a cost to move/rebury them, so some of the "salvage cost" was spent anyway.

I know that there are lots of other factors that I haven't even considered,
but it just seems a shame to let all that wood go to waste.

From what I understood, the logs/stumps were huge. The one salvaged log, salvaged by San Francisco Plantation, barely fit onto a flatbed semi and cost 100K+ to salvage. James Construction didn't have a big enough dozer, on site, to move the log/stump units. Extra ordinary efforts were used to extract and move the remaining log/stumps. It wasn't just logs, alone, but the whole rootball/log unit to be dealt with.

I'll ask my nephew, further, for more specific info.

Sonny

On Sun, 22 May 2016 12:57:51 +0000
Spalted Walt wrote:

Shelby Stanga - swamp logger

he is putting holes in those future logs
those will fetch a premium later

looks like he is having fun

On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:
From what I understood, the logs/stumps were huge. The one salvaged log, salvaged by San Francisco Plantation, barely fit onto a flatbed semi and cost 100K+ to salvage. James Construction didn't have a big enough dozer, on site, to move the log/stump units. Extra ordinary efforts were used to extract and move the remaining log/stumps. It wasn't just logs, alone, but the whole rootball/log unit to be dealt with.

One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
transport and ponding of logs during that time.

Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

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On 2016-05-23, Swingman wrote:


....it also did not disprove it.....

So, it could be pixie dust?

and some of the chemicals found, that are not found in wood, during
analysis of the wood could have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

.....or merely the finish on those violins. One "stradi" freak
explored only varnishes/finishes, fer yrs/decades, trying to find the
"secret".

nb

On 5/23/2016 8:39 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 3:23:25 PM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
On Sat, 21 May 2016 14:14:43 -0400
"John Grossbohlin" wrote:

Yes... lots of it. Ax men shows it happening and there are plenty of
other operations going on.

suprising the swamp stuff is any good
would think it would rot quick and be full of bugs

Why would you think that?

Damned Water Termites.

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On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:

One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
transport and ponding of logs during that time.

Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....

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On 5/23/2016 11:46 AM, Jack wrote:

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....

LOL

Visual art I agree, but the sound, and playability, of a particular
instrument is an apples to oranges comparison to visual art.

Recorded a Cremona (Amati) cello many times during a 25 year period.

While I can attest that much of the sound of any instrument can come
from the hands/touch of the player, this particular cello was owned by
two different individuals, played by at least four on dozens of
recordings during that time, both in my studio, and others.

Having been asked asked on numerous occasions, have never failed to
identify that particular instrument on a recording.

That is the "acid" that brings the big bucks in that type of "art" ...

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On 5/23/2016 11:21 AM, notbob wrote:
On 2016-05-23, Swingman wrote:

and some of the chemicals found, that are not found in wood, during
analysis of the wood could have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

....or merely the finish on those violins. One "stradi" freak
explored only varnishes/finishes, fer yrs/decades, trying to find the
"secret".

Varnishes of that period were oil/resin based; and the adjective
"aqueous" was purposely used, both in my reply to stay on topic, and in
the study to differentiate that fact.

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On 2016-05-23, Swingman wrote:

Varnishes of that period were oil/resin based; and the adjective
"aqueous" was purposely used, both in my reply to stay on topic, and in
the study to differentiate that fact.

I was using the term thusly:

a : of, relating to, or resembling water

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aqueous

I could be wrong, but seems to me, the last time I brushed on some
varnish, it performed exactly like a substance "resembling water",
i.e. a thin liquid.

nb

On 5/23/2016 1:18 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 11:46 AM, Jack wrote:

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....

LOL

Visual art I agree, but the sound, and playability, of a particular
instrument is an apples to oranges comparison to visual art.

I was not speaking of visual art at all, other than tongue in cheek. I
was speaking specifically to the art of building fine violins, guitars,
cellos and such, although it applies to art in spades.

Recorded a Cremona (Amati) cello many times during a 25 year period.

While I can attest that much of the sound of any instrument can come
from the hands/touch of the player, this particular cello was owned by
two different individuals, played by at least four on dozens of
recordings during that time, both in my studio, and others.

Having been asked asked on numerous occasions, have never failed to
identify that particular instrument on a recording.

That is the "acid" that brings the big bucks in that type of "art" ...

Unfortunately, for those choosing to spend their Texas oil money on a
$45 MILLION Strad, they would be better off choosing a modern, high end
piece that costs far, far, far less because in double blind tests, top
players on earth discovered they liked the newer ones more for both
sound and playability.

Fortunately, they would be paying for hyperbole and rarity more than
anything, and that does have a price, and in this case a huge one, just
like much fine art. In the case of the Strad, I'm sticking with
hyperbolec acid, first because it's true, and more than that, I made the
term up, and I'm sticking with it, I think it's a winner...

Someone in the biz said the reason no one has been able to find out
exactly what it is that makes the Strad sound so awesome, varnish, water
soaked, **** in varnish (made that one up) is because nothing does, they
don't sound or play any better than any other top of the line piece,
even if made a few days ago. So far, tests have proven this to be true,
and actually a bit the opposite, they sound and play a bit worse.

An interesting insight I recall reading, people tend to think the Strad,
if sounding a little less than anticipated, it's the players fault as he
is not up to the task. Can't be the Strad, must be me.

Same situation with a comparable top end piece, and it is "what do you
expect, it's not like it's a Strad"

I think this syndrome might come into play a bit with power tools, but
damn, sure don't want to get anyone's panty's in bunch...

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On 5/23/2016 2:44 PM, Jack wrote:

I made the
term up, and I'm sticking with it, I'm deaf, but think it's a winner...

fify ...




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On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:

One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
transport and ponding of logs during that time.

Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....

More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
grade" video cables, power cables, and such.

On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:

One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
transport and ponding of logs during that time.

Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....

More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
grade" video cables, power cables, and such.

Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
Not an audible difference though!

On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:32:00 -0500, Markem
wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:

One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
transport and ponding of logs during that time.

Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....

More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
grade" video cables, power cables, and such.

Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
Not an audible difference though!

Power cables? HDMI cables? If it's not audible (or visible), there
is no difference.

On 5/23/2016 7:32 PM, Markem wrote:
On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:

One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
transport and ponding of logs during that time.

Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....

More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
grade" video cables, power cables, and such.

Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
Not an audible difference though!



I think Monster came up with a method of insulating their wires so that
the wires look 3 time larger than they actually are, inside the insulation.

On Mon, 23 May 2016 21:19:30 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:32:00 -0500, Markem
wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:

One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
transport and ponding of logs during that time.

Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....

More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
grade" video cables, power cables, and such.

Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
Not an audible difference though!

Power cables? HDMI cables? If it's not audible (or visible), there
is no difference.

They were very careful and had "lab reports" for the speaker cables
when they first brought them out, now .01db is measurable but not
audible. Does not matter really I have used at least 16 ga lamp cord
for my speakers, but I worked at Shure as tech in manufacturing and
R&D. So the mumbo jumbo of either Monster or Bose never matter much
cause I knew enough.

On Mon, 23 May 2016 20:27:54 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 5/23/2016 7:32 PM, Markem wrote:
On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:

One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
transport and ponding of logs during that time.

Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....

More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
grade" video cables, power cables, and such.

Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
Not an audible difference though!



I think Monster came up with a method of insulating their wires so that
the wires look 3 time larger than they actually are, inside the insulation.

And a very nice and flexible insulation it is.

But back to the Stradivarius, someone did a high power look at the
wood, a lot of the binding resins seems to have been removed. The wood
also used had grown during the Monder minimum. Treatment by soaking
the tight grain of the wood are thought to be part of the secret, the
varnish that hardens but not really that is a mystery.

On 5/23/2016 8:32 PM, Markem wrote:
On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack wrote:

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....

More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
grade" video cables, power cables, and such.

Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
Not an audible difference though!

Most likely then the result of more sophisticated measuring equipment.
The cool thing is a lot of folks will swear there is a big difference,
just like those that think they can differentiate the sound of a Strad
vs a modern, super high end violin.

On the other hand, it is easy to determine the difference between
quality and junk, at least in most things. A $3 HF clamp vs a $50 Irwin
is not difficult to asses, even in the dark:-) I own some HF clamps,
and they were worth every penny...

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On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 9:44:17 AM UTC-4, Jack wrote:

....snip...

A $3 HF clamp vs a $50 Irwin is not difficult to asses...

....snip...

Please don't mention "clamps" and "asses" in the same sentence.

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 9:44:17 AM UTC-4, Jack wrote:

...snip...

A $3 HF clamp vs a $50 Irwin is not difficult to asses...

...snip...

Please don't mention "clamps" and "asses" in the same sentence.

LOL

On 5/23/2016 10:41 PM, Markem wrote:
On Mon, 23 May 2016 20:27:54 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

I think Monster came up with a method of insulating their wires so that
the wires look 3 time larger than they actually are, inside the insulation.

And a very nice and flexible insulation it is.

I bought a 25' RCA cable at cablewholesale.com in 2006 for 11.44. The
cable has super nice heavy, flexable insulation, and is overall an
excellent cable. A 4' monster would cost like $30. Interesting, my
cable costs less today than when I bought it 10 years ago. I've bought a
number of cables, including HDMI cables there, and all have been good
quality at super prices.

cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video-cables/product-10r2-02125.php


But back to the Stradivarius, someone did a high power look at the
wood, a lot of the binding resins seems to have been removed. The wood
also used had grown during the Monder minimum. Treatment by soaking
the tight grain of the wood are thought to be part of the secret, the
varnish that hardens but not really that is a mystery.

I think they discovered the secret is they sound about the same as any
top quality violin. Just like some people listening to a monster cable
think the sound is better when it isn't. Proving something happened as
a result of a false premise can be difficult, even though a lot of so
called "scientists" make a good living at it, and our educational system
is polluted with their efforts.

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On 5/24/2016 8:44 AM, Jack wrote:

just like those that think they can differentiate the sound of a Strad
vs a modern, super high end violin.

Admit it, Jack ... your discernment is so lacking you think
Caitlin Jenner is beautiful.

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On 2016-05-24, Markem wrote:

So the mumbo jumbo of either Monster or Bose never matter much

I can attest to the nonsense that is Bose.

The only time Bose sold a fair product was when Fry's (electronics
chain store) usta sell the 101 spkr fer $40 ea. Then Bose got greedy
and made Fry's raise the price to the MSRP of $120. Heck, one rock
star (iggy pop?) even warned against listening to his latest album
release ona Bose sytem.

Insanely overpriced junk.

nb

On 5/23/2016 9:33 PM, Markem wrote:

They were very careful and had "lab reports" for the speaker cables
when they first brought them out, now .01db is measurable but not
audible. Does not matter really I have used at least 16 ga lamp cord
for my speakers, but I worked at Shure as tech in manufacturing and
R&D. So the mumbo jumbo of either Monster or Bose never matter much
cause I knew enough.

I never heard a difference, but it's not always all about sound.

I made a good living for a long time with a set of well trained ears,
some said "Golden", and despite the obvious quality of the connectors,
and the shielding and grounding, which did cut back somewhat on RF/EM
interference/hum, especially with instrument cables plugged into amps, I
could never hear any difference in sound with Monster cable that they,
and others claim.

.... and they were way too expensive for the amount of cabling we needed
in the recording studio.

That said, I have one of the first Monster instrument (Bass) cables
that, although it doesn't sound any better, has stood up better to
rigorous road than most other instrument cables I've owned the past 50
years.

And there has been noticeably less of a problem with RF/EM hum than with
cheaper cables, always a problem on stage.

Add the better build quality, the better shielding from RF/EM, and a
lifetime warranty, and I don't regret the premium $20 I paid it for over
ten years ago.

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On Tuesday, May 24, 2016 at 10:18:45 AM UTC-4, Jack wrote:
On 5/23/2016 10:41 PM, Markem wrote:
On Mon, 23 May 2016 20:27:54 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

I think Monster came up with a method of insulating their wires so that
the wires look 3 time larger than they actually are, inside the insulation.

And a very nice and flexible insulation it is.

I bought a 25' RCA cable at cablewholesale.com in 2006 for 11.44. The
cable has super nice heavy, flexable insulation, and is overall an
excellent cable. A 4' monster would cost like $30. Interesting, my
cable costs less today than when I bought it 10 years ago. I've bought a
number of cables, including HDMI cables there, and all have been good
quality at super prices.

cablewholesale.com/products/audio-video-products/audio-video-cables/product-10r2-02125.php


Have you ever dealt with Monoprice?

http://www.monoprice.com/

I have dealt with them exclusively for cables, not for anything else listed
on their home page. However, while grabbing their URL today I noticed that
they have done a *major* redesign of their website. It used to be not much
more than a on-line catalog and you kind of needed to know what you were
looking for to find it.

Now I see speakers, musical instruments, etc. I hope this isn't an indication
of a change in philosophy, which used be (IMO) quality cables at great
prices.

I looked up the cable you linked to and their equivalent (?) cable is
priced at $7.33, but I did not look at shipping costs. Theirs is 22AWG vs.
26AWG.

http://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=2866

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On Mon, 23 May 2016 21:33:45 -0500, Markem
wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 21:19:30 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 19:32:00 -0500, Markem
wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 18:38:57 -0400, krw wrote:

On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:46:38 -0400, Jack wrote:

On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 8:54 AM, Sonny wrote:

One rumor for years has been that one of the secrets to the sound of a
Stradivarius violin, and other Cremona instruments of the period, is
that the wood was submerged for months, if not years, due to the water
transport and ponding of logs during that time.

Although a spectroscopy study done a few years ago did not prove that
was the case, it also did not disprove it, and some of the chemicals
found, that are not found in wood, during analysis of the wood could
have been done by "aqueous" treatments.

I attribute it to hyperbolec acid, the main ingredient in many rare,
overpriced, works of art....

More recently used by Monster Inc. and others to make "audiophool
grade" video cables, power cables, and such.

Actually Monster Inc. cable and such did have a measurable difference.
Not an audible difference though!

Power cables? HDMI cables? If it's not audible (or visible), there
is no difference.

They were very careful and had "lab reports" for the speaker cables
when they first brought them out, now .01db is measurable but not
audible. Does not matter really I have used at least 16 ga lamp cord
for my speakers, but I worked at Shure as tech in manufacturing and
R&D. So the mumbo jumbo of either Monster or Bose never matter much
cause I knew enough.

Sure, I use 16Ga "zip" cord for speaker cables, too. The point is
that *power* cables don't affect sound quality and $60 HDMI cables
don't work any better than $2 ones. Either they work or they don't.

On 24 May 2016 14:39:47 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2016-05-24, Markem wrote:

So the mumbo jumbo of either Monster or Bose never matter much

I can attest to the nonsense that is Bose.

The only time Bose sold a fair product was when Fry's (electronics
chain store) usta sell the 101 spkr fer $40 ea. Then Bose got greedy
and made Fry's raise the price to the MSRP of $120. Heck, one rock
star (iggy pop?) even warned against listening to his latest album
release ona Bose sytem.

Insanely overpriced junk.

No highs, no lows. Must be Bose.

On 2016-05-24, krw wrote:

No highs, no lows. Must be Bose.

Testify!

nb

On 5/24/2016 9:32 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 5/24/2016 8:44 AM, Jack wrote:

just like those that think they can differentiate the sound of a Strad
vs a modern, super high end violin.

Admit it, Jack ... your discernment is so lacking you think
Caitlin Jenner is beautiful.

Euwwwwwwww