On 11/14/15 4:08 PM, Leon wrote:
On 11/14/2015 2:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/14/15 1:39 PM, Leon wrote:
On 11/14/2015 12:55 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/14/15 12:34 PM, Leon wrote:
how much do the sheets weigh they sounds heavy

In the 65lb each range, typical for cabinet quality or paint
grade plywood.


do you use the track saw or the table saw to cut them


To get them down to workable size I use the track saw, then the
TS. I also use the track saw to straighten S2S lumber before
cutting on the TS, when I buy S2S.


I would appreciate further explanation for this. Is it because the
track saw doesn't yield finish quality results or is it just your
preference to finish cut on the table saw?

The track saw produces cuts equal to the TS so no, the quality of cut
is not the reason for going to the TS. In fact often at least one
edge on a piece was cut by the track saw. The TS offers a
consistency with its fixed fence that moving the track for each cut
does not afford. This is important when every thing must be precice.
I do have the Festool track positioning guides, thanks again
Swingman, but they tend to be a lot of work to set up. If I had a
lot of sheets to break down with the track saw the positioning guides
would be used. Wish I had that set up about 7~8 years ago when
Swingman sent me home with 27 sheets of plywood to cut for the two
kitchens that we built.



I'm entertaining the idea of getting a track saw. However, if they
don't produce a finished quality cut, that knowledge would help me
make the decision to go with a cheaper track saw.

The Festool track saws come with a standard blade, a quality blade
but not the best for cutting plywood. IIRC Swingman and I both have
plywood blades for our Festool Track saws.

IMHO that set up does not disappoint.

With that in mind, and I have mentioned this before, if you are
looking at Festool, there is the TS75 and TS55. The bigger is the
TS75 and considerably more expensive than the TS55. BUT to rip the
length of standard sheet of plywood you need an additional track and
couplings to join the additional track to the track that comes with
the saw. The difference in price of the saws shrunk to about $100 for
me as the additional shorter track was much less expensive than the
longer track. Basically the TS55 saw comes with a 55" track, the TS75
comes with a 75" track.


Thanks for that info, it is very helpful.
I also fear using 2-part guides as they seem to *never* go together
*perfectly* straight. Now, the ones I've attempted to use haven't been
green in color, but I still get weary of spending that kind of green
(PUN!) when the cut line might be a tad off. And when I say tad, I'm
talking any fraction of an inch. To me, if it's not *perfectly*
straight, it's not straight at all.



LOL. actually......


Swingman and I both have one of these. $100.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6F97WFYwkU

Swingman and I both have one of these.

Or if you need an excuse to get a 6' level.

I don't see that Betterly sells the alignment tool anymore. Some thing
to check on.

Still Festool does make very long rails....


I would certainly get that when and if I get track saw. Nice!
I have a 6' level and it has a bow in the middle.
I'm guessing it was either designed to be used with masonry or as....
wait... for.. it.....
A CAUL! HAHAHAHA!!!


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On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 16:08:09 -0600
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Wish I had that set up about 7~8 years ago when
Swingman sent me home with 27 sheets of plywood
I do have the Festool track positioning guides, thanks again
Swingman
Swingman and I both have one of these. $100.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6F97WFYwkU

Swingman and I both have one of these.

i think you and swingman should get a room

http://lemonparty.org

On Saturday, November 14, 2015 at 12:55:08 PM UTC-6, -MIKE- wrote:

I'm entertaining the idea of getting a track saw.

-MIKE-


Now's the time to write to Santa.

Sonny

On 11/14/2015 6:28 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/14/15 4:08 PM, Leon wrote:
On 11/14/2015 2:20 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/14/15 1:39 PM, Leon wrote:
On 11/14/2015 12:55 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 11/14/15 12:34 PM, Leon wrote:
how much do the sheets weigh they sounds heavy

In the 65lb each range, typical for cabinet quality or paint
grade plywood.


do you use the track saw or the table saw to cut them


To get them down to workable size I use the track saw, then the
TS. I also use the track saw to straighten S2S lumber before
cutting on the TS, when I buy S2S.


I would appreciate further explanation for this. Is it because the
track saw doesn't yield finish quality results or is it just your
preference to finish cut on the table saw?

The track saw produces cuts equal to the TS so no, the quality of cut
is not the reason for going to the TS. In fact often at least one
edge on a piece was cut by the track saw. The TS offers a
consistency with its fixed fence that moving the track for each cut
does not afford. This is important when every thing must be precice.
I do have the Festool track positioning guides, thanks again
Swingman, but they tend to be a lot of work to set up. If I had a
lot of sheets to break down with the track saw the positioning guides
would be used. Wish I had that set up about 7~8 years ago when
Swingman sent me home with 27 sheets of plywood to cut for the two
kitchens that we built.



I'm entertaining the idea of getting a track saw. However, if they
don't produce a finished quality cut, that knowledge would help me
make the decision to go with a cheaper track saw.

The Festool track saws come with a standard blade, a quality blade
but not the best for cutting plywood. IIRC Swingman and I both have
plywood blades for our Festool Track saws.

IMHO that set up does not disappoint.

With that in mind, and I have mentioned this before, if you are
looking at Festool, there is the TS75 and TS55. The bigger is the
TS75 and considerably more expensive than the TS55. BUT to rip the
length of standard sheet of plywood you need an additional track and
couplings to join the additional track to the track that comes with
the saw. The difference in price of the saws shrunk to about $100 for
me as the additional shorter track was much less expensive than the
longer track. Basically the TS55 saw comes with a 55" track, the TS75
comes with a 75" track.


Thanks for that info, it is very helpful.
I also fear using 2-part guides as they seem to *never* go together
*perfectly* straight. Now, the ones I've attempted to use haven't been
green in color, but I still get weary of spending that kind of green
(PUN!) when the cut line might be a tad off. And when I say tad, I'm
talking any fraction of an inch. To me, if it's not *perfectly*
straight, it's not straight at all.



LOL. actually......


Swingman and I both have one of these. $100.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6F97WFYwkU

Swingman and I both have one of these.

Or if you need an excuse to get a 6' level.

I don't see that Betterly sells the alignment tool anymore. Some thing
to check on.

Still Festool does make very long rails....


I would certainly get that when and if I get track saw. Nice!
I have a 6' level and it has a bow in the middle.
I'm guessing it was either designed to be used with masonry or as....
wait... for.. it.....
A CAUL! HAHAHAHA!!!



Have I mentioned the special wax? ;~)

On 11/14/2015 12:55 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

I'm entertaining the idea of getting a track saw.
However, if they don't produce a finished quality cut, that knowledge
would help me make the decision to go with a cheaper track saw.

As Leon said, nothing to do with the quality of cut, which is excellent
with a Festool plunge cut track saw.

The value of a fixed fence on a table saw, set once and used to batch
cut all like dimensions before moving it, is hard to beat for precision
production woodworking.

Festool has this parallel guide rail system in the photo below, which
will come close to accomplishing the same thing, but are a bit fussy in
initial set up, and require diligence when using to maintain your
settings. (you can see the small aluminum, support bars I've retrofitted
to each guide stop to help in that regard).

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...2 57557388034

Still, quite sufficient for onsite use where most portable table saws
won't give you the precision, or the repeatability.

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On 11/15/15 10:28 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/14/2015 12:55 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

I'm entertaining the idea of getting a track saw. However, if they
don't produce a finished quality cut, that knowledge would help me
make the decision to go with a cheaper track saw.

As Leon said, nothing to do with the quality of cut, which is
excellent with a Festool plunge cut track saw.

The value of a fixed fence on a table saw, set once and used to batch
cut all like dimensions before moving it, is hard to beat for
precision production woodworking.

Festool has this parallel guide rail system in the photo below, which
will come close to accomplishing the same thing, but are a bit fussy
in initial set up, and require diligence when using to maintain your
settings. (you can see the small aluminum, support bars I've
retrofitted to each guide stop to help in that regard).

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...2 57557388034



Still, quite sufficient for onsite use where most portable table saws
won't give you the precision, or the repeatability.


You should send that pic to Festool. I'm quite surprised, with their
engineering prowess, that they didn't incorporate those support bars on
the guide stops.

I like the design of the rails being on the edges of the plywood to keep
the saw guide square to the stock, but surely they could see that the
whole thing would want to tip down if not being used on a large table top.


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On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 12:34:10 -0600
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

To get them down to workable size I use the track saw, then the TS.
I also use the track saw to straighten S2S lumber before cutting on
the TS, when I buy S2S.

when i first heard of a track saw this is the use i imagined if i was to get
one

wrestling large sheets like that is not easy

On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:28:08 -0600
-MIKE- wrote:

I would certainly get that when and if I get track saw. Nice!
I have a 6' level and it has a bow in the middle.
I'm guessing it was either designed to be used with masonry or as....
wait... for.. it.....
A CAUL! HAHAHAHA!!!

but make sure it has the right curve for the task at hand

i read that luthiers and other instrument makers use curved cauls
and often make them custom for the instrument they are working on

of course these are small cauls mostly

On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 02:58:59 +0000
Electric Comet wrote:

i think you and swingman should

this is not a post by me it is from aioe.org

X-Complaints-To:

probably either overdosed or underdosed

-MIKE- wrote:
On 11/15/15 10:28 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/14/2015 12:55 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

I'm entertaining the idea of getting a track saw. However, if they
don't produce a finished quality cut, that knowledge would help me
make the decision to go with a cheaper track saw.

As Leon said, nothing to do with the quality of cut, which is
excellent with a Festool plunge cut track saw.

The value of a fixed fence on a table saw, set once and used to batch
cut all like dimensions before moving it, is hard to beat for
precision production woodworking.

Festool has this parallel guide rail system in the photo below, which
will come close to accomplishing the same thing, but are a bit fussy
in initial set up, and require diligence when using to maintain your
settings. (you can see the small aluminum, support bars I've
retrofitted to each guide stop to help in that regard).

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...2 57557388034



Still, quite sufficient for onsite use where most portable table saws
won't give you the precision, or the repeatability.


You should send that pic to Festool. I'm quite surprised, with their
engineering prowess, that they didn't incorporate those support bars on
the guide stops.

Well that and a better attachment to the track method. IIRC Woodpeckers
had a better set of parallel guides for the track, at least they seem to
attach better and have a larger capacity.





I like the design of the rails being on the edges of the plywood to keep
the saw guide square to the stock, but surely they could see that the
whole thing would want to tip down if not being used on a large table top.

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 07:51:44 -0600, Leon wrote:

-MIKE- wrote:
On 11/15/15 10:28 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/14/2015 12:55 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

I'm entertaining the idea of getting a track saw. However, if they
don't produce a finished quality cut, that knowledge would help me
make the decision to go with a cheaper track saw.

As Leon said, nothing to do with the quality of cut, which is
excellent with a Festool plunge cut track saw.

The value of a fixed fence on a table saw, set once and used to batch
cut all like dimensions before moving it, is hard to beat for
precision production woodworking.

Festool has this parallel guide rail system in the photo below, which
will come close to accomplishing the same thing, but are a bit fussy
in initial set up, and require diligence when using to maintain your
settings. (you can see the small aluminum, support bars I've
retrofitted to each guide stop to help in that regard).

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...2 57557388034



Still, quite sufficient for onsite use where most portable table saws
won't give you the precision, or the repeatability.


You should send that pic to Festool. I'm quite surprised, with their
engineering prowess, that they didn't incorporate those support bars on
the guide stops.

Well that and a better attachment to the track method. IIRC Woodpeckers
had a better set of parallel guides for the track, at least they seem to
attach better and have a larger capacity.

Woodpecker had a problem attaching to the rails, too. They just sent
new connection hardware to their guide users. The interesting part
was that the hardware was from Incra. Are they the same company?



I like the design of the rails being on the edges of the plywood to keep
the saw guide square to the stock, but surely they could see that the
whole thing would want to tip down if not being used on a large table top.

On 11/18/2015 8:19 PM, krw wrote:
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 07:51:44 -0600, Leon wrote:

-MIKE- wrote:
On 11/15/15 10:28 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 11/14/2015 12:55 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

I'm entertaining the idea of getting a track saw. However, if they
don't produce a finished quality cut, that knowledge would help me
make the decision to go with a cheaper track saw.

As Leon said, nothing to do with the quality of cut, which is
excellent with a Festool plunge cut track saw.

The value of a fixed fence on a table saw, set once and used to batch
cut all like dimensions before moving it, is hard to beat for
precision production woodworking.

Festool has this parallel guide rail system in the photo below, which
will come close to accomplishing the same thing, but are a bit fussy
in initial set up, and require diligence when using to maintain your
settings. (you can see the small aluminum, support bars I've
retrofitted to each guide stop to help in that regard).

https://picasaweb.google.com/1113554...2 57557388034



Still, quite sufficient for onsite use where most portable table saws
won't give you the precision, or the repeatability.


You should send that pic to Festool. I'm quite surprised, with their
engineering prowess, that they didn't incorporate those support bars on
the guide stops.

Well that and a better attachment to the track method. IIRC Woodpeckers
had a better set of parallel guides for the track, at least they seem to
attach better and have a larger capacity.

Woodpecker had a problem attaching to the rails, too. They just sent
new connection hardware to their guide users. The interesting part
was that the hardware was from Incra. Are they the same company?

Hummmm. The biggest problem that I have with the Festool parallel
guides is that they fit across the rubber strips under the tracks. the
makes movement of the guides difficult. That holds well but a relative
pain when adjusting the guides elsewhere along the track. Those rubber
strips hold on to the guides as well as the material being cut. ;~)

I have often thought that Woodpecker was some how related to Incra.
Incra IIRC is based in Dallas. Woodpeckers is in OH.







I like the design of the rails being on the edges of the plywood to keep
the saw guide square to the stock, but surely they could see that the
whole thing would want to tip down if not being used on a large table top.