On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:18:53 -0500
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

So you do know that Festool has products based on your comment above
but don't know what it means. Do you know that Makita, Porter Cable,
Fein, Bosch, Powermatic, etc. mean?

humor has left you
or
actually you are someone that takes the internet seriously

On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:20:24 -0500
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Oh, ok, that is sensible. FWIW there are some here that do buy
products based on my reviews.

but do they get a discount

On 9/25/2015 1:54 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:20:24 -0500
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Oh, ok, that is sensible. FWIW there are some here that do buy
products based on my reviews.

but do they get a discount


No one gets a discount on Festool or SawStop

Leon wrote:
On 9/25/2015 1:54 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:20:24 -0500
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Oh, ok, that is sensible. FWIW there are some here that do buy
products based on my reviews.

but do they get a discount


No one gets a discount on Festool or SawStop

You mean besides those sponsored? I'll bet I could get them to throw in
a hat or t-shirt, at least...lol

On 9/25/2015 5:55 PM, Baxter wrote:

IOW, the doctorine of selfishness.

And if the manufacturer makes his product using slave and/or child labor?


This has come up wit other groups and other products. Child labor is a
problem in some countries, but not buying the product is not the answer.
If you put those factories out of business the kids can no longer
afford a bowl of rice. What is the solution? Since you want them shut
down, you must have a better idea.

On Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:47:21 -0400, Bill
wrote:

Leon wrote:
On 9/25/2015 1:54 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 12:20:24 -0500
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:

Oh, ok, that is sensible. FWIW there are some here that do buy
products based on my reviews.

but do they get a discount


No one gets a discount on Festool or SawStop

You mean besides those sponsored? I'll bet I could get them to throw in
a hat or t-shirt, at least...lol

Only if it's sponsored. ;-)

On 9/25/2015 7:00 PM, Baxter wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:

On 9/25/2015 5:55 PM, Baxter wrote:

IOW, the doctorine of selfishness.

And if the manufacturer makes his product using slave and/or child
labor?

This has come up wit other groups and other products. Child labor is
a problem in some countries, but not buying the product is not the
answer.
If you put those factories out of business the kids can no longer
afford a bowl of rice. What is the solution? Since you want them shut
down, you must have a better idea.

Buying products manufactured with slave or child labor only perpetuates
that abuse and that poverty. Buy the competing product that costs just a
little bit more and pays a free adult a better wage so they can send their
kids to school.

Period.


So let the other kids starve? I don't see where you offered a solution,
just some self righteous posturing.

On 9/25/2015 4:55 PM, Baxter wrote:
Leon wrote in
:

Baxter wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

... You are basing a decision on a product, not by
the product, but by your feelings towards the inventor.

Actually a resonable factor in one's decision. Environment, source,
impact on others, etc are all important factors in any decision.
Certainly reasonable to boycott a product based on an unethical
manufacturer.

That is an emotional decision and perfectly fine if that way of
deciding which is best for you, I try to use facts about the product
with out considering anything else. You are not buying the
manufacturer,

But you ARE supporting that manufacturer.

Oh Well...


you should not consider that if you want to make the
best educated decision on closing a product that best works for you.

IOW, the doctorine of selfishness.

Absolutely if that is they way you want to look at it.


And if the manufacturer makes his product using slave and/or child labor?

Now you are being emotional and speculating and using what if's. I deal
with product facts information. I suppose one could find a problem with
some kind of exploitation with most anything you might purchase.

On 9/25/2015 5:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/25/2015 5:55 PM, Baxter wrote:

IOW, the doctorine of selfishness.

And if the manufacturer makes his product using slave and/or child labor?


This has come up wit other groups and other products. Child labor is a
problem in some countries, but not buying the product is not the answer.
If you put those factories out of business the kids can no longer
afford a bowl of rice. What is the solution? Since you want them shut
down, you must have a better idea.


I believe migrant workers and their families, including kids, work in
the fields to harvest.

On 9/25/2015 6:00 PM, Baxter wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:

On 9/25/2015 5:55 PM, Baxter wrote:

IOW, the doctorine of selfishness.

And if the manufacturer makes his product using slave and/or child
labor?

This has come up wit other groups and other products. Child labor is
a problem in some countries, but not buying the product is not the
answer.
If you put those factories out of business the kids can no longer
afford a bowl of rice. What is the solution? Since you want them shut
down, you must have a better idea.

Buying products manufactured with slave or child labor only perpetuates
that abuse and that poverty. Buy the competing product that costs just a
little bit more and pays a free adult a better wage so they can send their
kids to school.

Period.

Seriously? You believe that if you don't buy a product, that might be
produced by a child, that it will put a stop to that? While I agree
that child labor is not a great scenario, if not manufacturing, they
might be sold or traded as slaves.

In article ,
says...

On 9/25/2015 7:00 PM, Baxter wrote:
Ed Pawlowski wrote in
:

On 9/25/2015 5:55 PM, Baxter wrote:

IOW, the doctorine of selfishness.

And if the manufacturer makes his product using slave and/or child
labor?

This has come up wit other groups and other products. Child labor is
a problem in some countries, but not buying the product is not the
answer.
If you put those factories out of business the kids can no longer
afford a bowl of rice. What is the solution? Since you want them shut
down, you must have a better idea.

Buying products manufactured with slave or child labor only perpetuates
that abuse and that poverty. Buy the competing product that costs just a
little bit more and pays a free adult a better wage so they can send their
kids to school.

Period.


So let the other kids starve? I don't see where you offered a solution,
just some self righteous posturing.

So you're saying that in China the options are to be slave-labor for
Apple and Nike or to starve? So much for Communism and the state-
controlled economy.

On 9/26/2015 1:33 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


And if the manufacturer makes his product using slave and/or child
labor?

This has come up wit other groups and other products. Child labor is
a problem in some countries, but not buying the product is not the
answer.
If you put those factories out of business the kids can no longer
afford a bowl of rice. What is the solution? Since you want them shut
down, you must have a better idea.

Buying products manufactured with slave or child labor only perpetuates
that abuse and that poverty. Buy the competing product that costs just a
little bit more and pays a free adult a better wage so they can send their
kids to school.

Period.


So let the other kids starve? I don't see where you offered a solution,
just some self righteous posturing.

So you're saying that in China the options are to be slave-labor for
Apple and Nike or to starve? So much for Communism and the state-
controlled economy.


I don't see where I said that or brought particular brands into the mix.

In India, a bunch of do-gooders from outside were demanding the children
not work for a clothing manufacturer. The kids begged them to go away
because without the meager wages, they had nothing.

If for have a solution, I'm all for it, but don't put them out of work
until you do. I'm not in favor of child labor, but I'm against
starvation.

Ask your parents and grandparents when they went to work. Many of them
did not finish elementary school because they had to go to work to help
support the family.

In article ,
says...

On 9/26/2015 1:33 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


And if the manufacturer makes his product using slave and/or child
labor?

This has come up wit other groups and other products. Child labor is
a problem in some countries, but not buying the product is not the
answer.
If you put those factories out of business the kids can no longer
afford a bowl of rice. What is the solution? Since you want them shut
down, you must have a better idea.

Buying products manufactured with slave or child labor only perpetuates
that abuse and that poverty. Buy the competing product that costs just a
little bit more and pays a free adult a better wage so they can send their
kids to school.

Period.


So let the other kids starve? I don't see where you offered a solution,
just some self righteous posturing.

So you're saying that in China the options are to be slave-labor for
Apple and Nike or to starve? So much for Communism and the state-
controlled economy.


I don't see where I said that or brought particular brands into the mix.

In India, a bunch of do-gooders from outside were demanding the children
not work for a clothing manufacturer. The kids begged them to go away
because without the meager wages, they had nothing.

If for have a solution, I'm all for it, but don't put them out of work
until you do. I'm not in favor of child labor, but I'm against
starvation.

Ask your parents and grandparents when they went to work. Many of them
did not finish elementary school because they had to go to work to help
support the family.

It's not my job to fix some other country's social problems. Maybe if
they spent more money on developing their economy and less on building
space rockets and nuclear weapons and buying used aircraft carriers and
the like their people would be better off.

On 9/26/2015 7:20 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/26/2015 1:33 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


And if the manufacturer makes his product using slave and/or child
labor?

This has come up wit other groups and other products. Child labor is
a problem in some countries, but not buying the product is not the
answer.
If you put those factories out of business the kids can no longer
afford a bowl of rice. What is the solution? Since you want them shut
down, you must have a better idea.

Buying products manufactured with slave or child labor only perpetuates
that abuse and that poverty. Buy the competing product that costs
just a
little bit more and pays a free adult a better wage so they can send
their
kids to school.

Period.


So let the other kids starve? I don't see where you offered a solution,
just some self righteous posturing.

So you're saying that in China the options are to be slave-labor for
Apple and Nike or to starve? So much for Communism and the state-
controlled economy.


I don't see where I said that or brought particular brands into the mix.

In India, a bunch of do-gooders from outside were demanding the children
not work for a clothing manufacturer. The kids begged them to go away
because without the meager wages, they had nothing.

If for have a solution, I'm all for it, but don't put them out of work
until you do. I'm not in favor of child labor, but I'm against starvation.

Ask your parents and grandparents when they went to work. Many of them
did not finish elementary school because they had to go to work to help
support the family.

Exactly. This is a lesson of don't tell me what is good for me until
you have walked a mile in my shoes. Don't help me starve to death.

On 9/26/2015 8:51 AM, J. Clarke wrote:


It's not my job to fix some other country's social problems. Maybe if
they spent more money on developing their economy and less on building
space rockets and nuclear weapons and buying used aircraft carriers and
the like their people would be better off.


I'm OK with that, but I'll still buy the tool that suites me best. If
it keeps someone working very hard, but not to starve, so much the better.