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Water Based Poly?
I have traditionally used oil based polyurethanes, mostly Minwax because of
availability, but I've used General Finishes in recent years too. The long dry times can be a real pain and tend to collect lots of dust. The fumes are also annoying indoors. Another issue I have had with oil based polys is that they tend to dissolve and pick up oil based gel stains on the first coat. So last year I tried Minwax Polycrylic Water Based poly on a bed frame. It applied easily with a brush, and seems to be fairly durable. Best of all, no odors and it dries quickly. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the Polycrylic at my local Lowes, so I picked up some "Minwax Oil-Modified Water Based Polyurethane". It seemed to apply nicely, didn't pick up the stain like oil based poly, dries quickly, and doesn't have any odor. Unfortunately, it only seems to come in 1/2 pint or gallon cans. I don't need a gallon, but I've already gone through two 1/2 pint cans on the first coat. It is also rather expensive. I'll probably pick up enough 1/2 pint cans to finish this project, but doubt I would use it again just due to availability. Kind of a shame. Anyway, I am curious what other water based poly you would recommend? Anthony Watson www.mountainsoftware.com www.watsondiy.com |
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On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 6:44:44 PM UTC-6, HerHusband wrote:
Anyway, I am curious what other water based poly you would recommend? I use Varathane floor finish, often. There's an oil & water base. Our local Lowes carries both. I don't use the oil based. Water based: About $45 a gallon. The shelf life is pretty good, too. I use a gallon maybe every 6 months to a year. My latest project may take half a gallon. It's pretty durable, too... should be, it's a floor finish. I put it on a CDX plywood sewing table, for upholstery. Still in good shape. It doesn't yellow, as spar urethane does. I like the results I get from it. I use it most often on salvaged lumber and not-so-fine of woodworking projects. For my higher end stuff, more refined projects, I spray lacquer. Water based Varathane project: Here, Braxton is putting the third coat on a mantle, salvaged cypress: https://www.flickr.com/photos/438361...in/photostream The installed mantle: https://www.flickr.com/photos/438361...in/photostream Sonny |
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HerHusband wrote:
I have traditionally used oil based polyurethanes, mostly Minwax because of availability, but I've used General Finishes in recent years too. The long dry times can be a real pain and tend to collect lots of dust. The fumes are also annoying indoors. Another issue I have had with oil based polys is that they tend to dissolve and pick up oil based gel stains on the first coat. So last year I tried Minwax Polycrylic Water Based poly on a bed frame. It applied easily with a brush, and seems to be fairly durable. Best of all, no odors and it dries quickly. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the Polycrylic at my local Lowes, so I picked up some "Minwax Oil-Modified Water Based Polyurethane". It seemed to apply nicely, didn't pick up the stain like oil based poly, dries quickly, and doesn't have any odor. Unfortunately, it only seems to come in 1/2 pint or gallon cans. I don't need a gallon, but I've already gone through two 1/2 pint cans on the first coat. It is also rather expensive. I'll probably pick up enough 1/2 pint cans to finish this project, but doubt I would use it again just due to availability. Kind of a shame. Anyway, I am curious what other water based poly you would recommend? Anthony Watson www.mountainsoftware.com www.watsondiy.com I also like polycrylic. Lowes (online) lists it in quarts in gloss, semi-gloss and satin. I bought mine at Lowes in the quart size, but it has been a few years ago. -- GW Ross I am a mental tourist. My mind wanders. |
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On 2/9/15 7:41 PM, Sonny wrote:
The installed mantle: https://www.flickr.com/photos/438361...in/photostream Sonny Hmmm, about the drums. :-) The head says Premier but those lugs and badges don't look like Premier. What year? -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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HerHusband wrote in
: Anyway, I am curious what other water based poly you would recommend? I've been happy with Varathane water based. The local Lowes stocks it on an intermittant basis (for some reason everything in the finishing aisle is intermittant - as if the manager keeps changing his mind about what to stock). I noticed in Home Depot the other day that some of the Minwax products were only available in tiny cans, not quarts. Dunno if that's Minwax being stupid or Home Depot. John |
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On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 8:36:21 PM UTC-6, -MIKE- wrote:
Hmmm, about the drums. :-) The head says Premier but those lugs and badges don't look like Premier. What year? I'm not sure... maybe early 1980s. I'll ask. They are my older brother's. Jonas, my nephew, likes to play, also, brought them to the camp/farm. No neighbors, out there, to bother. Sonny |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:25:25 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy
wrote: HerHusband wrote in : Anyway, I am curious what other water based poly you would recommend? I've been happy with Varathane water based. The local Lowes stocks it on an intermittant basis (for some reason everything in the finishing aisle is intermittant - as if the manager keeps changing his mind about what to stock). I noticed in Home Depot the other day that some of the Minwax products were only available in tiny cans, not quarts. Dunno if that's Minwax being stupid or Home Depot. John It's the despot. Helps the "turnover ratio" when the manager can say they moved 40 cans a month instead of 10 - - - |
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On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:25:25 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy wrote: HerHusband wrote in : Anyway, I am curious what other water based poly you would recommend? I've been happy with Varathane water based. The local Lowes stocks it on an intermittant basis (for some reason everything in the finishing aisle is intermittant - as if the manager keeps changing his mind about what to stock). I noticed in Home Depot the other day that some of the Minwax products were only available in tiny cans, not quarts. Dunno if that's Minwax being stupid or Home Depot. John It's the despot. Helps the "turnover ratio" when the manager can say they moved 40 cans a month instead of 10 - - - You think? I have a retail back ground and I don't recall excessive turnover meaning much more than lost sales. |
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On 2/10/2015 5:38 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
wrote: On Tue, 10 Feb 2015 03:25:25 +0000 (UTC), John McCoy wrote: HerHusband wrote in : Anyway, I am curious what other water based poly you would recommend? I've been happy with Varathane water based. The local Lowes stocks it on an intermittant basis (for some reason everything in the finishing aisle is intermittant - as if the manager keeps changing his mind about what to stock). I noticed in Home Depot the other day that some of the Minwax products were only available in tiny cans, not quarts. Dunno if that's Minwax being stupid or Home Depot. John It's the despot. Helps the "turnover ratio" when the manager can say they moved 40 cans a month instead of 10 - - - It's been a while since I left the Depot, but back when I worked there, they were going more and more to automatic restocking that was determined by Atlanta, and less and less by the store. I'd suspect that by today, the department heads and the store managers have even less to do with stocking levels than they did when I was there. Exactly and if you have staff that does not put new inventory where it can be found in the stock room it does not find it's way to the sales floor. Then the computer sees no sales of that item and reduces stock levels. |
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Water Based Poly?
Martin,
Is the Minwax in an oil base? The poly I was buying is called "water based, oil modified", whatever that means. restrictions to volume might be the issue. Lowes sells the same poly in gallon sizes, so I doubt volume is a factor. They just don't carry that poly in quart sizes. They also sell regular oil based poly in quart sizes. Actually, I haven't really seen the Minwax water based oil modified poly in quart sizes online either. Kind of weird. Anthony Watson www.mountainsoftware.com www.watsondiy.com |
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On 2/10/2015 4:01 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , Martin Eastburn wrote: I ran into this in Ca and could buy in my county Quarts, but over the hill in congestion city only in pints and half pints. So after a while, they put our county on restrictions because of the other county. They just came over the hill and bought what they wanted. Jayzuz! Do they cook meth with the stuff? That's nuts. Oh, you did say California... Wood workers were using their brand for years and when EPA or CA-EPA put the clamps on it - vocs and all that - tax higher and in smaller cans. Some were spraying other paints as well. Larger cans ran out and only the small sample cans were there. Touch-up size. Same on gasoline nozzles - sucking nozzle over the gas line or just a metal one that goes into the tank... Our county was just like 1940 - some still pumped for you for a while. But smog in Southern Ca was really bad and medium to nominal in Northern. Government stepped in and said Mother may I is NO. I'm sure the general rules are around the country due to the vapor that harms ozone... Martin |
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