With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Jim

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With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Jim


Go with Lithium Ion, probably in the 18V range. The Lithium Ion
batteries retain a charge for quite a while, both in use and while
waiting to be used.

I do like my Makita. Panasonic has/had a great reputation. (The one I
bought for my mom reminded me of a tribble with the noises it made.
Perhaps there's something to that.)

It might be useful to pick up and hold the tools before purchasing. I
love the way my Makitas are balanced, even with the bigger batteries that
I bought later.

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wrote:
With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Jim

I have fallen in love with my Ridgid stuff - especially with the lifetime
warranty that even covers the batteries. I don't think any other
manufacturer covers their batteries. Full on lifetime warranty. The only
thing is that you have to make sure you go to their web site and register
everything by serial number. Drill body, batteries, and any other component
you buy. I have used the warranty program and it is hassle free as long as
you have done your part. Plenty of power, balanced (to my hand), and
durable.

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On 6/11/14, 4:20 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
wrote:
With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Jim

I have fallen in love with my Ridgid stuff - especially with the lifetime
warranty that even covers the batteries. I don't think any other
manufacturer covers their batteries. Full on lifetime warranty. The only
thing is that you have to make sure you go to their web site and register
everything by serial number. Drill body, batteries, and any other component
you buy. I have used the warranty program and it is hassle free as long as
you have done your part. Plenty of power, balanced (to my hand), and
durable.


I'll second the Ridgid drills.
Mine have held up great and perform as good or better than any cordless
I've used.
The LiIon batts do not discharge in storage.


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On 6/11/2014 4:09 PM, wrote:

With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill.


What type of battery

What voltage

Lithium Ion is the most popular and generally best option today.

Voltage depends on intended use. The more volts, the more wight. It
you only ever drive 1" or 2" screws, why heft a heavy 24V drill every
time.

I really like my 15.6V Panasonic. I also have the Bosch quick change
adapter and use it for both screw and drill bits.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:33:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Lithium Ion is the most popular and generally best option today.

I'm not certain you could call it the most popular. It's the most
recent and that makes it the most wanted. But, that also makes it the
most expensive. If cost is a big concern to someone, then NiCads are
cheaper. "best option" depends on certain conditions.

On 6/12/2014 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:33:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Lithium Ion is the most popular and generally best option today.

I'm not certain you could call it the most popular. It's the most
recent and that makes it the most wanted. But, that also makes it the
most expensive. If cost is a big concern to someone, then NiCads are
cheaper. "best option" depends on certain conditions.

Would not even consider Nicads any longer.
First they don't hold a charge loosing 10% of their charge per day.
Second, cadmium is really toxic to the env. Lithium is not toxic by
comparison.

Third, The lithiums are priced about the same now... ABOUT, not the same
but about. If you consider how long the Lithium's last compared to
Nicads in regular use, it's a win to the Lithiums.. more longevity for
the same job.



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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:07:23 -0400, woodchucker
Would not even consider Nicads any longer.
First they don't hold a charge loosing 10% of their charge per day.
Second, cadmium is really toxic to the env. Lithium is not toxic by
comparison.

Don't know about your NiCads, but the two DeWalt XRP 18v NiCad
batteries I've got are the ones that came with the six tool set I
bought over five years ago. They charge properly and work fine.

Sure, Li-Ion are better, but they and the tools they power cost more.

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:07:23 -0400, woodchucker
Third, The lithiums are priced about the same now... ABOUT, not the same
but about. If you consider how long the Lithium's last compared to
Nicads in regular use, it's a win to the Lithiums.. more longevity for
the same job.

Sorry, can't agree. Two DeWalt 18v NiCads go for $99 right now in Home
Depot. The nearest comparable 20v DeWalt lithiums are $149. To me
anyway, that's not "about".

I do agree that lithiums are superior in almost every way, but they do
cost more, at least for now.

On 6/12/14, 6:33 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:07:23 -0400, woodchucker
Third, The lithiums are priced about the same now... ABOUT, not the
same but about. If you consider how long the Lithium's last
compared to Nicads in regular use, it's a win to the Lithiums..
more longevity for the same job.

Sorry, can't agree. Two DeWalt 18v NiCads go for $99 right now in
Home Depot. The nearest comparable 20v DeWalt lithiums are $149. To
me anyway, that's not "about".

I do agree that lithiums are superior in almost every way, but they
do cost more, at least for now.


You keep defending your purchase of a terrible, outdated technology.
You bought them, ok, we get it. But don't pee on my leg and tell me
it's raining.

The only people who will try to tell you NiCads are fine are those who
bought them and either don't know the difference or are suffering
buyer's remorse.


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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 07:07:23 -0400, woodchucker
wrote:

On 6/12/2014 12:50 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:33:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Lithium Ion is the most popular and generally best option today.

I'm not certain you could call it the most popular. It's the most
recent and that makes it the most wanted. But, that also makes it the
most expensive. If cost is a big concern to someone, then NiCads are
cheaper. "best option" depends on certain conditions.

Would not even consider Nicads any longer.
First they don't hold a charge loosing 10% of their charge per day.

Utter nonsense. 10% per month, *maybe*, unless they're shorted
(dendrites).

Second, cadmium is really toxic to the env. Lithium is not toxic by
comparison.

Third, The lithiums are priced about the same now... ABOUT, not the same
but about. If you consider how long the Lithium's last compared to
Nicads in regular use, it's a win to the Lithiums.. more longevity for
the same job.

You're right about the rest.

On 6/11/2014 3:09 PM, wrote:

With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Jim



Perhaps you should tell us what you expect out of the drill first. So
far every drill fits your description.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:48:41 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

I occasionally have a need to drive 3" screws or drill through some
tough lumber. Sometimes I need to drill with an augar thriough a 6 - 8
inch post.

My biggest concern in the past was that the batteries ran down because
I didn't use them often enough to charge them every day or two.



On 6/11/2014 3:09 PM, wrote:

With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Jim



Perhaps you should tell us what you expect out of the drill first. So
far every drill fits your description.

wrote:

I occasionally have a need to drive 3" screws or drill through some
tough lumber. Sometimes I need to drill with an augar thriough a 6 -
8
inch post.
---------------------------------------------------------
This is a comment on cordless technology rather than a specific
device.

Mid 90's, used a DeWalt 18 VDC drill to drive a 3" Bi-Metal hole saw
thru
3/4" of knitted glass and epoxy.

Unless your post is ironwood, wouldn't give your task a 2nd thought,
and then only momentarily.G

ION batteries are the way to go with today's technology.

As far as brands, I'll leave that to others for a recommendation.

Have fun.

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On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:48:41 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

I occasionally have a need to drive 3" screws or drill through some
tough lumber. Sometimes I need to drill with an augar thriough a 6 - 8
inch post.

My biggest concern in the past was that the batteries ran down because
I didn't use them often enough to charge them every day or two.



On 6/11/2014 3:09 PM, wrote:

With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Jim



Perhaps you should tell us what you expect out of the drill first. So
far every drill fits your description.

As many have commented, Li-ion batteries. When stored charged and not
under extreme temperatures they can hold a charge for several months. You
should probably stay with a drill rated greater than 12 volt.
Better brands that I have owned would be Festool, Panasonic, Makita.

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 23:54:48 -0500, Leon wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:48:41 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

I occasionally have a need to drive 3" screws or drill through some
tough lumber. Sometimes I need to drill with an augar thriough a 6 - 8
inch post.

My biggest concern in the past was that the batteries ran down because
I didn't use them often enough to charge them every day or two.



On 6/11/2014 3:09 PM, wrote:

With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Jim



Perhaps you should tell us what you expect out of the drill first. So
far every drill fits your description.

As many have commented, Li-ion batteries. When stored charged and not
under extreme temperatures they can hold a charge for several months. You
should probably stay with a drill rated greater than 12 volt.
Better brands that I have owned would be Festool, Panasonic, Makita.

Why only 12V? Higher is generally heavier but if I had only one
drill/driver it would be 16V (or whatever they claim the voltage is).

On 6/12/2014 8:08 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 23:54:48 -0500, Leon wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:48:41 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

I occasionally have a need to drive 3" screws or drill through some
tough lumber. Sometimes I need to drill with an augar thriough a 6 - 8
inch post.

My biggest concern in the past was that the batteries ran down because
I didn't use them often enough to charge them every day or two.



On 6/11/2014 3:09 PM, wrote:

With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Jim



Perhaps you should tell us what you expect out of the drill first. So
far every drill fits your description.

As many have commented, Li-ion batteries. When stored charged and not
under extreme temperatures they can hold a charge for several months. You
should probably stay with a drill rated greater than 12 volt.
Better brands that I have owned would be Festool, Panasonic, Makita.

Why only 12V? Higher is generally heavier but if I had only one
drill/driver it would be 16V (or whatever they claim the voltage is).



Might wanna reread what I writ.

On 2014-06-12, wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:48:41 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

I occasionally have a need to drive 3" screws or drill through some
tough lumber. Sometimes I need to drill with an augar thriough a 6 - 8
inch post.

My biggest concern in the past was that the batteries ran down because
I didn't use them often enough to charge them every day or two.

Sounds like you need one of these:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...carpenterA.jpg

Looks like it can handle augering through an 8" post.

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With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage



Pretty hard to go wrong with an 18v Milwaukee with lithium ion batteries. I
use the heck out of my cordless drills as a licensed communications
contractor, and I've let the magic smoke out of a few drills cordless and
otherwise in the last couple decades.

On 6/12/2014 12:18 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:

Pretty hard to go wrong with an 18v Milwaukee with lithium ion batteries.

While I do like my Makita 18v lithium's, gotta admit that the most
impressive bit of drilling/driving out of a cordless I've ever seen was
done using a Milwaukee 1/2 cordless, on 3500 psi concrete, to drill
holes 1/2x 7 for Simpson Titen anchors ... and then driving them in.

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With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

As I write, Lowes has two on sale for $99...one is Dewalt, the other
Hitachi. Both are 1/2", 20v, both come with two batteries (lithium) and
charger.

I would be content with either, you probably would too.

Hell, I am VERY happy with my $79 3/8" 12v Black & Decker. Lots here
denigrate B&D but I've never had a problem with any of their tools, either
pro or consumer grade. The 12v does 3" screws no problem. Lithium is
definitely the way to go...hold charge well, charge quickly. One charge
gets me maybe 200-250 1 1/2 - 2 1/2 screws. More voltage = more power.

Brand wise, I really don't think there is all that much difference among
them anymore. A few - a very few - still maintain a better than average
rep, Milwaukee for one, Makita for another.


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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:39:52 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

I was unable to find either online. Can you give me a link?

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With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

As I write, Lowes has two on sale for $99...one is Dewalt, the other
Hitachi. Both are 1/2", 20v, both come with two batteries (lithium) and
charger.

I would be content with either, you probably would too.

Hell, I am VERY happy with my $79 3/8" 12v Black & Decker. Lots here
denigrate B&D but I've never had a problem with any of their tools, either
pro or consumer grade. The 12v does 3" screws no problem. Lithium is
definitely the way to go...hold charge well, charge quickly. One charge
gets me maybe 200-250 1 1/2 - 2 1/2 screws. More voltage = more power.

Brand wise, I really don't think there is all that much difference among
them anymore. A few - a very few - still maintain a better than average
rep, Milwaukee for one, Makita for another.

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:39:52 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

I was unable to find either online. Can you give me a link?
..

Weekly ad and the specific items...

http://weeklyshoppingad.com/lowes/

http://www.lowes.com/pd_596956-67702...ill&facetInfo=

http://www.lowes.com/pd_506283-70-DC...l&fac etInfo=


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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:41:50 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:39:52 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

I was unable to find either online. Can you give me a link?
.

Weekly ad and the specific items...

http://weeklyshoppingad.com/lowes/

http://www.lowes.com/pd_596956-67702...ill&facetInfo=

http://www.lowes.com/pd_506283-70-DC...l&fac etInfo=

Neither of these are drill drivers.

Thanks for trying to help.

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:41:50 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 14:39:52 -0400, "dadiOH"
wrote:

I was unable to find either online. Can you give me a link?
.

Weekly ad and the specific items...

http://weeklyshoppingad.com/lowes/

http://www.lowes.com/pd_596956-67702...ill&facetInfo=

http://www.lowes.com/pd_506283-70-DC...l&fac etInfo=

Neither of these are drill drivers.

?? What do you consider a drill/driver to be? AFAIK, it is a drill with an
adjustable clutch to adjust torque. Both of the above have that.
Personally, I don't find a clutch of that type very useful, rarely use it.

Here's a Bosch - same price - that has the "drill/driver" label. It has an
amp/hour rating about 50% higer than the Dewalt and Hitachi ones.
http://www.lowes.com/ProductDisplay?...llow&cId=PDIO1

Are you looking for an impact driver maybe?


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On 6/12/2014 11:19 PM, wrote:


http://www.lowes.com/pd_596956-67702...ill&facetInfo=

http://www.lowes.com/pd_506283-70-DC...l&fac etInfo=

Neither of these are drill drivers.

Thanks for trying to help.


According to the specs it is
Includes: DCD771 1/2-in drill/driver, two 20-volt max compact Li-ion
battery packs, compact charger, and contractor bag

Maybe you don't know what you want?

wrote:


I was unable to find either online. Can you give me a link?
-----------------------------------------------
"dadiOH" wrote:

Weekly ad and the specific items...

http://weeklyshoppingad.com/lowes/

http://www.lowes.com/pd_596956-67702...ill&facetInfo=

http://www.lowes.com/pd_506283-70-DC...l&fac etInfo=
----------------------------------------------------------
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Neither of these are drill drivers.
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So what are they, chopped liver?

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I was unable to find either online. Can you give me a link?

.



Weekly ad and the specific items...



http://weeklyshoppingad.com/lowes/



http://www.lowes.com/pd_596956-67702...ill&facetInfo=



http://www.lowes.com/pd_506283-70-DC...l&fac etInfo=





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Thanks for this. The internets was useful today.

I think I am going in a different direction for a bit. I have an ancient Makita 14.4 ni cad (which I thought was working well for me, but reading this makes me realize how clueless I am) that will pull the balls of a rhino. I spent $329 for it about 9 years ago. While I have killed a few batteries, the smart charger does well with itself, and the helical cut bronze gears in the drill make it solid as the day I bought it. The chuck is an American made Jacobs with carbide liners and it will still grip a 1/16" to 1/2" with the same precision.

It has drilled thousands of holes, and driven many times that of screws. But the drill is large and weighs a bunch. Still, I will be undone if anything happens to it as it is my cabinet hanging monster.

It still works fine. But I am taking a look at this tool set for the first time.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/2034068...hop_This_Combo

My electrician uses it for all kinds of drilling, screw driving, and has even use it with a wire brush to clean up fixtures. He uses the hell out of both the drill and the driver every single day. He is on his third set. According to him, they last about 2 1/2 to 3 years, and then he simply tosses them. I have never had any of my DeWalt or Hitachi drills last longer than that.

I have several entry door replacements coming up, and I will see if it will bore a hole in a 1 3/4 door. If it will, I am in. I have to have a really light touch with the rhino killer when running in all the door hinge screws, and there will be a few hundred of them if I get all the work I have bid.

At any rate, I have used this little impact driver, and it is pretty sweet. I don't need one of those often so it might be the ticket for me. In fact, about the only time I could use one is when I am driving the 5" screws I use for roof repairs on occasion.

Looking at the DeWalt, Hitachi and Porter Cable offerings, they are all homeowner grade tools. If am going to get something that is more toy-like that (really... a $100 and you think you are getting a semi professional/professional tool?) I will get one with a store warranty like Ryobi. I haven't owned their tools before, but if my electrician likes them, I might, too. At $50 bucks a tool I am not in so deep that I will be ****ed off if they only last a year of good use.

OTOH, if I was going to buy a "professional grade" tool, I would scout the pawn shops for some of the older drills and saws. If I was buying new, I would buy Ridgid. I have two 12v drills that are not only well made, but have been excellent performers for years. I have 2 5" ROSs that have been literally abused sanding fascia to prep for paint, sanding wood floors for refinish, and used for any other dirty sanding jobs. Replaced a pad on one, that's it. They are about 10 years old and have outlasted two Bosch sanders that weren't used nearly as hard. I have two little rattler finishing sanders from Ridgid, and they both work great.

My Tim Taylor days are long gone. These days I try to get an exact match of the tool to the job and don't buy more than I need "just in case" of have some ridiculous fantasies of the job stalling out if my drill quits. If this little Ryobi can charge in 15 to 20 minutes, I can drive up the job, plug in the charger, get out the saw horses and set up the tools and I will be ready to drill. If I can use the drill to drive a couple of hundred 3/4" screws in and out all day to fit hinges, then I will be a happy guy.

YMMV.

Robert

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:09:56 -0500, wrote:


With the Father's Day sales going on it is time for me to buy a new
cordless drill. I want a drill driver but haven't kept up with the
differences between the major brands. I am not a professional
woodworker but with a farm there are plenty of times a cordless drill
comes in handy.

I would like some opinions on:

What brands to consider or reject

What type of battery

What voltage

Any replies would be greatly appreciated.

Jim

Thanks for all the advice. I looked at number of tools and finally
bought a Porter Cable. Drill and battery carries a 3 year warranty.

The Ridig battery warranty sounded good but the drills locally were
hard to find. The few at the big box stores were very pricey.
Jim