Hi all.
Im building a roof on my extension.
New roof will require several hundred screws since I will not drive my
neighbours mental banging in nails for a week.
I have at present-
1 an excellent old B&D cordless screwdriver cost £35 a few years
back--lacks stamina.
2 a 2 year old drill driver 9 volts B&D excellent weight compact---lacks
stamina.
3 a brand new 18 volt Screwfix jobbie £50-- weighs a ton--lacks
stamina--useless c--p.

I am contemplating buying a mains powered magazine type powered screwdriver
£200 approx----comments on this would be usefull.

I am also considering a lipo battery powered driver drill instead--are they
worth it.

Cost is not important lightness and ease of use are paramount since the new
roof must be installed ASAP when the existing roof is opened.

"tom patton" wrote in message
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Hi all.
Im building a roof on my extension.
New roof will require several hundred screws since I will not drive my
neighbours mental banging in nails for a week.
I have at present-
1 an excellent old B&D cordless screwdriver cost £35 a few years
back--lacks stamina.
2 a 2 year old drill driver 9 volts B&D excellent weight compact---lacks
stamina.
3 a brand new 18 volt Screwfix jobbie £50-- weighs a ton--lacks
stamina--useless c--p.

I am contemplating buying a mains powered magazine type powered
screwdriver
£200 approx----comments on this would be usefull.

I am also considering a lipo battery powered driver drill instead--are
they
worth it.

Cost is not important lightness and ease of use are paramount since the
new
roof must be installed ASAP when the existing roof is opened.


See what on offer at a specialist tool company, Makita, and Bosh are the
ones we use in the trade 18 or 24 volt, batteries are as important as the
driver, some come with 3 and some with 2 batteries, also ask what the
charging rate and time is. While your at it get your self a magnetic driver
bit holder and a few extra PZ tips

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 19:52:37 GMT, "tom patton"
wrote:

Hi all.
Im building a roof on my extension.
New roof will require several hundred screws since I will not drive my
neighbours mental banging in nails for a week.
I have at present-
1 an excellent old B&D cordless screwdriver cost £35 a few years
back--lacks stamina.
2 a 2 year old drill driver 9 volts B&D excellent weight compact---lacks
stamina.
3 a brand new 18 volt Screwfix jobbie £50-- weighs a ton--lacks
stamina--useless c--p.

I am contemplating buying a mains powered magazine type powered screwdriver
£200 approx----comments on this would be usefull.

I did a similar project to yours and have a Senco Duraspin cordless
screw gun. www.senco.com I bought one of the cordless ones in
the U.S. where they are pretty popular (cost about $200 IIRC a couple
of years ago).

They are also widely available here now as well in both corded
(slightly less expensive) and corded. You should be able to get one
for about your budget. For this job, if you can stretch to the
cordless, I would recommend it, simply not to have the cable trailing
around.

There are two main screw types - Phillips and square (I believe they
are called Richardson). You simply buy the appropriate driver bits
for the screwdriver. The screws come in many types and sizes, and
are on bandoliers normally of 50 packed in tubs. Loading these is
very fast - thread and slide into the head of the tool.

http://www.duraspin.com/pdf/catalog/sg_chart.pdf

You do need to pick the suitable ones for the job.

e.g. www.topgun.co.uk (click on collated screwdrivers) I've bought
nailers, nails and screws from this company and they are pretty good
at service and sourcing what you want. You might find better prices
though.





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Rent a nailer

Regards
Capitol

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"keith_765" writes:

See what on offer at a specialist tool company, Makita, and Bosh

*grin*. "Bosh" drills. That's so appropriate I think I might start
spelling it that way, too.



Congratulations.
You spotted the deliberate mistake.
How about Muketer

"Capitol" wrote in message
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Rent a nailer

Regards
Capitol
He doesn't want to disturb his neighbour.
By a rubber hammer.

keith_765 wrote:

He doesn't want to disturb his neighbour.

A nailer is quieter than a drill inserting screws IMO.

Regards
Capitol

tom patton wrote:
Hi all.
Im building a roof on my extension.
New roof will require several hundred screws since I will not drive my
neighbours mental banging in nails for a week.


Cost is not important lightness and ease of use are paramount since the new
roof must be installed ASAP when the existing roof is opened.

For about 150 notes, you can get a *really* good cordless drill-driver.
I have a couple of the Atlas Copco/Miluwakee PST12T "shorty" which comes
in at about this price, or a little under. But any of the "sensible pro"
brands - Metabo, Hitachi (Axminster have a good price right now on a
nice compact one with three batteries thrown in:
http://www.axminster.co.uk/product.a...=24275&recno=6), Makita, and
the like - will do you very nicely. No point fannying about with a combi
cordless, I'd say -- if it's got 'throbology action' it'll inevitably
have more slop than one whose only mechanical function is to go round at
various speeds and plenty of torque.

In your position I'd spend my cash on a reasonably light drill-driver
like this, rather than a magazine driver - if you were putting up
plasterboard with bugle screws for a living then the magazine driver
would be worth the specialisation, but the cordless drill-driver will
have plenty of other uses later, while the magazine driver will be used
only on 'big projects'.

Now, if you want real lightness, and yet long-lasting batteries (both
per-charge and, through having decent cells and a good charger), I'm
addicted to a Panasonic 3.6V bend-in-the-middle jobbie - priced at RS
(rswww.com) under partnum 329-9657 at 110squid+VAT, a bit cheaper at
other places such as www.powertools.co.uk. A bit of a luxury tool, I'll
admit, since you can get similar-idea palmhelds for well under half the
price, but the ones I've had just go on and on and on working, while the
wide range and repeatable torque adjustment makes it the one I reach for
for everything from installing disk drives in cases, through putting
stuff in racks, to umfing scores of 4mm and upwards 'no-predrilling'
screws into softwood.

HTH - Stefek

Many thanks for the advice you guys.
I should have mentioned another reason for using a screwdriver is that I
have neuron disease and the constant hammer shock in my arms is very tiring.
I tried a Paslode nailer its a great tool but I do nt have the strength to
hold it for any length of time in fact if it was nt for power tools I just
could not contemplate building this extension.
"Capitol" wrote in message
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keith_765 wrote:

He doesn't want to disturb his neighbour.

A nailer is quieter than a drill inserting screws IMO.

Regards
Capitol

tom patton wrote:

Im building a roof on my extension.
New roof will require several hundred screws since I will not drive my
neighbours mental banging in nails for a week.

Lots of 4" screws by the sounds of it....

I have at present-
1 an excellent old B&D cordless screwdriver cost ï½£35 a few years
back--lacks stamina.
2 a 2 year old drill driver 9 volts B&D excellent weight compact---lacks
stamina.

I found that my (reasonably decent) 9V drill driver was not really up to
framing work with 4" screws - ok with 3".

3 a brand new 18 volt Screwfix jobbie ï½£50-- weighs a ton--lacks
stamina--useless c--p.

I am contemplating buying a mains powered magazine type powered screwdriver
ï½£200 approx----comments on this would be usefull.

Cost is not important lightness and ease of use are paramount since the new
roof must be installed ASAP when the existing roof is opened.

With this sort of application there is not much point messing about. A
top end 14.4V drill driver with two or three high capacity bats and a
really good charger should be able to keep you running non stop without
being too physically demanding to use. (the weight, and balance are
going to matter here as much as the performance by the sounds of it. A
good speed controller also helps keep the bit in the screw with less
physical effort required)

Based on experience with my 18V Makita combi drill, I would expect that
a 14.4 non combi version would be ideal. It ought to have plenty of
torque and controllability, it also has stamina in spades.

Something like:

http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...&product=29444

The Bosch one here looks like a good possibility as well:

http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...V&product=1177


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http://www.itslondon.co.uk/ProductDe...um =6280DWPE3

you'll have change left over for a nice ...

http://www.itslondon.co.uk/ProductDe...delNum=ML1 40

I bought one recently and it's been invaluable.

Cheers

Nicholas


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"John Rumm" wrote in message
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tom patton wrote:

Im building a roof on my extension.
New roof will require several hundred screws since I will not drive my
neighbours mental banging in nails for a week.

Lots of 4" screws by the sounds of it....

I have at present-
1 an excellent old B&D cordless screwdriver cost ?35 a few years
back--lacks stamina.
2 a 2 year old drill driver 9 volts B&D excellent weight compact---lacks
stamina.

I found that my (reasonably decent) 9V drill driver was not really up to
framing work with 4" screws - ok with 3".

3 a brand new 18 volt Screwfix jobbie ?50-- weighs a ton--lacks
stamina--useless c--p.

I am contemplating buying a mains powered magazine type powered
screwdriver
?200 approx----comments on this would be usefull.

Cost is not important lightness and ease of use are paramount since the
new
roof must be installed ASAP when the existing roof is opened.

With this sort of application there is not much point messing about. A top
end 14.4V drill driver with two or three high capacity bats and a really
good charger should be able to keep you running non stop without being too
physically demanding to use. (the weight, and balance are going to matter
here as much as the performance by the sounds of it. A good speed
controller also helps keep the bit in the screw with less physical effort
required)

Based on experience with my 18V Makita combi drill, I would expect that a
14.4 non combi version would be ideal. It ought to have plenty of torque
and controllability, it also has stamina in spades.

Something like:

http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...&product=29444

The Bosch one here looks like a good possibility as well:

http://www.lawson-his.co.uk/scripts/...V&product=1177


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Nicholas wrote:

http://www.itslondon.co.uk/ProductDe...um =6280DWPE3

Nice price, although this version does not have the 2.6Ah NiMh batteries
or the "marathon" motor which I would have thought were both worth
having for this application.

you'll have change left over for a nice ...

http://www.itslondon.co.uk/ProductDe...delNum=ML1 40

I bought one recently and it's been invaluable.

He could get one anyway - just about in the 200 budget specified ;-)


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Steve Firth wrote:

No idea what a "lipo" battery is

Lithium-Polymer


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Are these batteries making an impact on power tools yet--they have been
around for a few years now---Although a bit dangerous if abused they are
lighter and much more powerfull than nicads.
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John Rumm wrote:

Steve Firth wrote:

No idea what a "lipo" battery is

Lithium-Polymer

Ah, righto, thanks. For some reason I was thinking of a battery powered
by bacon fat.

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