I just sprayed rustoleum primer on something.
The object was first cleaned by acetone and dry.
The primer went on fine.

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.

WTH. the primer should have setup the color coat.
The object was clean to begin with, then cleaned with acetone, dry ...
And now the finish coat won't stick to the primer????


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Jeff

"woodchucker" wrote in message
...
I just sprayed rustoleum primer on something.
The object was first cleaned by acetone and dry.
The primer went on fine.

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.

WTH. the primer should have setup the color coat.
The object was clean to begin with, then cleaned with acetone, dry ...
And now the finish coat won't stick to the primer????


--
Jeff

Rustoleum makes a bunch of different products. Are you sure you used a
compatible primer and paint?

On 5/8/2014 1:17 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
"woodchucker" wrote in message
...
I just sprayed rustoleum primer on something.
The object was first cleaned by acetone and dry.
The primer went on fine.

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.

WTH. the primer should have setup the color coat.
The object was clean to begin with, then cleaned with acetone, dry ...
And now the finish coat won't stick to the primer????


--
Jeff

Rustoleum makes a bunch of different products. Are you sure you used a
compatible primer and paint?




Yep, I'm sure. These are true blue rustoleum.
Just got off the phone with them, they had no clue other than saying
contamination. But that's not an issue ... Acetone cleaned.
Primer went on..
I use a turntable, so I didn't touch it at all.
Then the paint went on 15 minutes later and beaded up.


I tried to find out how to clean out these cans. They introduced those
spray from any angle cans 2 or so years ago. I have had disastorous
results with them. They clog up.. you are not cleaning the tube out when
you turn it over and spray. They told me to just stick the sprayer in MS
and it will clean that.. I told them that's not the problem, I am doing
that.. The problem is that once you start to use a can, you may not be
able to finish the can, as the tube inside is now clogged. I have a few
cans like that... they never heard of that problem either.

I am curious if anyone else is experiencing this on these new spray from
any angle cans.

So far 3 cans have failed. Not nozzles.

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Jeff

woodchucker wrote:
On 5/8/2014 1:17 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
"woodchucker" wrote in message
...
I just sprayed rustoleum primer on something.
The object was first cleaned by acetone and dry.
The primer went on fine.

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.

WTH. the primer should have setup the color coat.
The object was clean to begin with, then cleaned with acetone, dry
... And now the finish coat won't stick to the primer????


--
Jeff

Rustoleum makes a bunch of different products. Are you sure you
used a compatible primer and paint?




Yep, I'm sure. These are true blue rustoleum.
Just got off the phone with them, they had no clue other than saying
contamination. But that's not an issue ... Acetone cleaned.
Primer went on..
I use a turntable, so I didn't touch it at all.
Then the paint went on 15 minutes later and beaded up.


I tried to find out how to clean out these cans. They introduced those
spray from any angle cans 2 or so years ago. I have had disastorous
results with them. They clog up.. you are not cleaning the tube out
when you turn it over and spray. They told me to just stick the
sprayer in MS and it will clean that.. I told them that's not the
problem, I am doing that.. The problem is that once you start to use
a can, you may not be able to finish the can, as the tube inside is
now clogged. I have a few cans like that... they never heard of that
problem either.
I am curious if anyone else is experiencing this on these new spray
from any angle cans.

So far 3 cans have failed. Not nozzles.

I've quit using rustoleum spray products for these very reasons. Go to
Krylon. I've had the very same adheasion problems you describe, and you're
right - if you don't use a full can on your project... just throw the
remainder away because it's going to gum up in the can. Rustoleum denies
having heard about clogging problems but I've told them about it so I know
they've heard it at least once. I'm sure they hear it a lot. It's not just
the spray from any angle cans either. The traditional cans do the same
thing.

The reactions that you're seeing I have seen many times. I have no idea
what it's from but I'll assure you it's not in what you did. It's
Rustoleum. I paint more than any group of people here (probably...)...
except for Robert, and I've got a pretty good handle on how to prep for
paint, etc. The stuff is just junk.

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-Mike-

On 5/8/2014 1:15 PM, woodchucker wrote:
I just sprayed rustoleum primer on something.
The object was first cleaned by acetone and dry.
The primer went on fine.

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.

WTH. the primer should have setup the color coat.
The object was clean to begin with, then cleaned with acetone, dry ...
And now the finish coat won't stick to the primer????



Does the primer give a re-coat time? Some paints are OK for a short
time, but if you miss it, wait 24 hours. Others want you to wait at any
time. You can get some funky reactions.

"woodchucker" wrote in message

I just sprayed rustoleum primer on something.
The object was first cleaned by acetone and dry.
The primer went on fine.

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.

WTH. the primer should have setup the color coat.
The object was clean to begin with, then cleaned with
acetone, dry ... And now the finish coat won't stick to
the primer????

What did it say on the primer can about how soon you could top coat?
Fifteen minutes seems too quick to me.

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On 5/8/2014 1:52 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
....

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.
....

Does the primer give a re-coat time? Some paints are OK for a short
time, but if you miss it, wait 24 hours. Others want you to wait at any
time. You can get some funky reactions.


Be my guess...15 min isn't long at all, even for a light spray coat and
especially if did a couple coats. I'd lay odds the spots that beaded
were slightly heavier and while might appear dry on surface weren't
fully underneath. They recommend 15-30 min @70F/50%RH so that's a
possible effect, too.

I've not had the described problems w/ Rustoleum's cans--I've used quite
a number of them to less than full first time and then finished them off
later...sometimes many months later.

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dadiOH wrote:
"woodchucker" wrote in message

I just sprayed rustoleum primer on something.
The object was first cleaned by acetone and dry.
The primer went on fine.

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.

WTH. the primer should have setup the color coat.
The object was clean to begin with, then cleaned with
acetone, dry ... And now the finish coat won't stick to
the primer????

What did it say on the primer can about how soon you could top coat?
Fifteen minutes seems too quick to me.

Not to me - unless it's very humid, or some other condition that would
prevent the primer from flashing.

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-Mike-

dpb wrote:
On 5/8/2014 1:52 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
...

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.
...

Does the primer give a re-coat time? Some paints are OK for a short
time, but if you miss it, wait 24 hours. Others want you to wait at
any time. You can get some funky reactions.


Be my guess...15 min isn't long at all, even for a light spray coat
and especially if did a couple coats. I'd lay odds the spots that
beaded were slightly heavier and while might appear dry on surface
weren't fully underneath. They recommend 15-30 min @70F/50%RH so
that's a possible effect, too.

I've not had the described problems w/ Rustoleum's cans--I've used
quite a number of them to less than full first time and then finished
them off later...sometimes many months later.

As long as the primer flashed - which it should do in 15 minutes, then an
overcoat should be fine. It's what's called wet-on-wet painting, and it is
done every day.

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-Mike-

On 5/8/2014 2:52 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 5/8/2014 1:15 PM, woodchucker wrote:
I just sprayed rustoleum primer on something.
The object was first cleaned by acetone and dry.
The primer went on fine.

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.

WTH. the primer should have setup the color coat.
The object was clean to begin with, then cleaned with acetone, dry ...
And now the finish coat won't stick to the primer????



Does the primer give a re-coat time? Some paints are OK for a short
time, but if you miss it, wait 24 hours. Others want you to wait at any
time. You can get some funky reactions.
You must recoat within the hour.
after that after 48 hours.

What happens is the paint gasses off and causes bubbles in the upper coats.



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Jeff

woodchucker wrote:
I just sprayed rustoleum primer on something.
The object was first cleaned by acetone and dry.
The primer went on fine.

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.

WTH. the primer should have setup the color coat.
The object was clean to begin with, then cleaned with acetone, dry ...
And now the finish coat won't stick to the primer????



What is the weather or temp like. When you cleaned with acetone did the
object cool enough to cause condensation?

On 5/8/2014 10:52 PM, Leon wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
I just sprayed rustoleum primer on something.
The object was first cleaned by acetone and dry.
The primer went on fine.

15 minutes later, I tried putting rustoleum red on it.
In quite a few areas, it's just beading up.

WTH. the primer should have setup the color coat.
The object was clean to begin with, then cleaned with acetone, dry ...
And now the finish coat won't stick to the primer????



What is the weather or temp like. When you cleaned with acetone did the
object cool enough to cause condensation?


It's a warm day here. Shot it in the basement where it is cooler.
The acetone cleaning was also done about 5-10 before priming as I had to
find the good nozzles for the primer.

So it wasn't condensation, and any problem should have shown up on the
primer. But there was a nice coating. I apply primer fairly dry, not
really wet. My color coats start off with a dusting coat and I add and
come closer after I see a good bond, which I did not see , I saw the
beading even during dusting in some areas.

I'll let this dry and gas off for 48 hours, sand it out, and try again.
This time using sikkens m600 a paint prep cleaner. The acetone is
something I do for bare metal. The sikkens generally on previously
painted , but sometimes on bare metal too.



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Jeff