If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:

http://www.woodworksbb.es/

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.

Bill wrote:
If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:

http://www.woodworksbb.es/

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.

Not bad at all!

On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 1:53:38 AM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand tools you might like this: http://www.woodworksbb.es/ I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.

Long drawn out video, because of the slow-mo presentation. I kinna got bored watching it, but the project and work was nice.

Seems he used Trewax as the finish (on raw wood?), though I can't tell, for sure, which wax that is. After finish sanding, I've used Trewax on raw ER Cedar, 20-25 yrs ago, and this display cabinet still looks great, still smooth as a baby's bottom. I may have applied one other coat, in those years, but I don't recall for sure. Dusting the cabinet is a snap, as the dust wipes off, much better, than with my other non-waxed or other topcoated furnitures.

At that time, applying a paste wax to raw wood was a new idea for me . I was impressed as to how the wax, only, produced the "finish" results, so well.

Other paste waxes may do a similar job, as my experience with Trewax, but I have been impressed with this application and I've used Trewax for a few other small projects.... and for waxing my big iron tool's tops. I think Briwax (or is it Breewax) is similar to Trewax.

One drawback, to applying paste wax to raw wood: It takes lots of elbow grease to polish the wood, i.e., to remove the dried wax surface film or crust, from the wood, as per the instructions.

Also, I don't know if the wax has anything to do with it, but this cedar cabinet hasn't shown any signs of the resin leaching out, from the wood, as I've had resin leaching out from pieces coated with a dedicated finish. I think the wax is not a sealant, so it allows the wood to "breathe"(?), hence the resin doesn't leach out.... this is speculation on my part.

I haven't heard of anyone using paste wax, only, as a finish on raw wood, so seeing him do so, if that's what he did, was noteworthy, for me.

Sonny

On 4/15/2014 2:53 AM, Bill wrote:
If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:

http://www.woodworksbb.es/

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.
Really Nice Bill...

A couple of comments... geez, couldn't he use a crappy chisel to clean
the glue out????

And it looks like an ad for Lee Valley/Veritas.... mostly all Lee Valley
stuff..

Very nice build, no burning on the cherry, since there was no machines....

Wax for a finish..... I guess no blotching that way either.

He is a very good craftsman.

Too bad it was Vimeo... mine kept freezing and I had to hit pause then
continue... was this just me... or do others experience this.

--
Jeff

"woodchucker" wrote

Too bad it was Vimeo... mine kept freezing and I had to hit pause then
continue... was this just me... or do others experience this.

I have always had problems with vimeo. I think it is used to **** off
people and computers. It seems to run better in chrome. My wife's computer
won't run it at all. I can get it to work in chrome on her machine about
half the time with chrome.

And among people we have sent videos to, about half of them can't run vimeo
either. Why do people use us problematic formats?

"Bill" wrote in message ...

If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand tools
you might like this:

http://www.woodworksbb.es/

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.

Interesting... nicely demonstrated the proficient application of
conventional techniques.

I liked his thick steel straight edges for checking flatness.

I also liked his use of shooting boards for shooting the long edges. I often
do that... something that occurred to me as being a reasonable technique
after watching the carpenters at Colonial Williamsburg shoot flooring boards
that were perhaps 20 feet long. I hadn't seen it done by anyone else
since...

The dovetail layout technique was interesting... though I had to watch that
section twice as I missed his spacing layout the first time. It was
effective but complicated compared to my technique... I used to get confused
when I drew a lot of lines... now I keep it real simple!

The wax finish was a nice touch. I dare say it is the oldest finish there is
and I've used it on some utility (but not crude) items made from pine and
fir.

The video was a nice diversion and I was amused to find that the sanding was
the most offensive part of the whole process... to the demonstrator!

John

"woodchucker" wrote in message
...

Too bad it was Vimeo... mine kept freezing and I had to hit pause then
continue... was this just me... or do others experience this.

I had no problem... I use Chrome...

On 4/15/2014 9:32 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:


"woodchucker" wrote

Too bad it was Vimeo... mine kept freezing and I had to hit pause then
continue... was this just me... or do others experience this.

I have always had problems with vimeo. I think it is used to **** off
people and computers. It seems to run better in chrome. My wife's
computer won't run it at all. I can get it to work in chrome on her
machine about half the time with chrome.

And among people we have sent videos to, about half of them can't run
vimeo either. Why do people use us problematic formats?



I use chrome and I had problems.

--
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On 4/15/2014 9:33 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Bill" wrote in message ...

If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:

http://www.woodworksbb.es/

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.

Interesting... nicely demonstrated the proficient application of
conventional techniques.

I liked his thick steel straight edges for checking flatness.

I also liked his use of shooting boards for shooting the long edges. I
often do that... something that occurred to me as being a reasonable
technique after watching the carpenters at Colonial Williamsburg shoot
flooring boards that were perhaps 20 feet long. I hadn't seen it done
by anyone else since...

The dovetail layout technique was interesting... though I had to watch
that section twice as I missed his spacing layout the first time. It was
effective but complicated compared to my technique... I used to get
confused when I drew a lot of lines... now I keep it real simple!

The wax finish was a nice touch. I dare say it is the oldest finish
there is and I've used it on some utility (but not crude) items made
from pine and fir.

The video was a nice diversion and I was amused to find that the sanding
was the most offensive part of the whole process... to the demonstrator!

John









One more thing about the video, I like when no one talks..I get the
picture perfectly clear. Too many of todays videos are blah blah blahhhh...

They like to hear themselves talk... I like to watch them work.

John, I agree about the dovetail layouts... it was a lot of layout work.

--
Jeff

If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this: http://www.woodworksbb.es/

Outstanding video. Often I find myself FF thru a video, especially one
this long, but this was a joy to watch over coffee.

And I absolutely love the table. A clean lined utilitarian table.
Where can I get one? ;-)

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.

I was beginning to think him devoid of facial expression until the end
when he smiled. A table to be proud of indeed. :-)

Thanks for sharing!

On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 02:53:38 -0400, Bill
wrote:

If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:

http://www.woodworksbb.es/

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.

Great video and a true craftsman.

I use FF and have a very slow DSL and had no problems with the video.

wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 02:53:38 -0400, Bill
wrote:

If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:

http://www.woodworksbb.es/

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.

Great video and a true craftsman.

I use FF and have a very slow DSL and had no problems with the video.

I didn't have any issue with the streaming, but I did find the amount of
echo in the video to be very annoying.

--

-Mike-

Lee Michaels wrote:


"woodchucker" wrote

Too bad it was Vimeo... mine kept freezing and I had to hit pause
then continue... was this just me... or do others experience this.

I have always had problems with vimeo. I think it is used to **** off
people and computers. It seems to run better in chrome. My wife's
computer won't run it at all. I can get it to work in chrome on her
machine about half the time with chrome.

And among people we have sent videos to, about half of them can't run
vimeo either. Why do people use us problematic formats?


I didn't have any problems at all with it, but I expect the difference
may be due to having a separate video card on my computer compared to
one with a graphics processor which is built into the main processor
(CPU). The latter may be fine for most purposes, but is lesser in
comparison.

If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:
http://www.woodworksbb.es/

Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.

wrote:
If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:
http://www.woodworksbb.es/
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.

I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.

On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.

I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.

??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.

On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
WHY?

--
Jeff

On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 10:22:52 -0500, wrote:


Great video and a true craftsman.

I use FF and have a very slow DSL and had no problems with the video.

I use FF also and It played well for me. I do run into jerky videos
from time to time. I think their servers get throttled back for some
reason.

woodchucker wrote:
On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
WHY?



http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

On 4/16/2014 9:36 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.

Might want to reconsider. Dave is not a troll by any definition of the
word, or deed.

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On 4/16/2014 10:00 AM, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
WHY?



http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html


You just have not gotten to know him. He does not raise hell to be a
PIA. He just likes to defend his position, like some on else I know. ;~0

On 4/15/2014 2:53 AM, Bill wrote:
If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:

http://www.woodworksbb.es/

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.

Geez. His pile of shavings is nicer than some of my work, and his shop
is neater than my house. Whoever complained about the reverberation on
the video can blame the large uncluttered shop. As if that isn't enough
to be jealous of, apparently the video was shot "con luz natural".

I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand? Untouched as I am by any
personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".

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writes:
If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:
http://www.woodworksbb.es/

Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.

In the day, it was called an apprentice :-)

On 4/16/2014 12:08 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 4/15/2014 2:53 AM, Bill wrote:
If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:

http://www.woodworksbb.es/

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.

Geez. His pile of shavings is nicer than some of my work, and his shop
is neater than my house. Whoever complained about the reverberation on
the video can blame the large uncluttered shop. As if that isn't enough
to be jealous of, apparently the video was shot "con luz natural".

I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand? Untouched as I am by any
personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".

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I don't know about others but I am quite happy just to get good Joinery
by machine

On 4/16/2014 12:08 PM, Greg Guarino wrote:
On 4/15/2014 2:53 AM, Bill wrote:
If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:

http://www.woodworksbb.es/

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.

Geez. His pile of shavings is nicer than some of my work, and his shop
is neater than my house. Whoever complained about the reverberation on
the video can blame the large uncluttered shop. As if that isn't enough
to be jealous of, apparently the video was shot "con luz natural".

I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand? Untouched as I am by any
personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".

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Before I got a jointer, I had to flatten everything by hand. I kept
wishing for a scrub plane, but just took one of my planes and cambered
the blade heavily and moved the frog back... still a scrub would be
nice. At times I had no problem , being able to move quickly..
Others... I was frustrated as all hell. I kept getting better though,
but still ran into wood that was hard to understand... swirling grain
where a growth must have been on a slice further out on the log...
change in direction... Where it swirls is gets hard and gnarly.

I have flattened , but also thickness planed by hand with wide boards,
that were too big to bandsaw....

I would still if I had to work wider boards by hand, and now that I Have
a proper bench (solid) for sure. It can be satisfying, but it can be
frustrating. When you are able to get it the way you want, after
struggling, it's particularly satisfying, as you realize you climbed Mt
Everest.

I am not sure I would rip long pieces by hand though... I just don't see
the need. I have a beautiful rip saw, and use it for small work..
something that I would be afraid to do on the TS, or BS. I am going to
restore it.. I had cleaned it up long ago, but after seeing some work
that one LJ guy does, it might be worth it. I just didn't want to put
that much effort into it. But it's a saw that should get passed down...
Too bad the notches and finger reliefs are for a righty, I am a lefty..
but it's still pretty comfortable.


I mostly do Dovetails by hand, I have only done machined a couple of
times... I like hand dovetailing, I just consider it a nice touch.. If I
had a lot of draws, I might bring out the jig, but I always find that I
get the precision I desire, and look from hand cut.


--
Jeff

On 4/16/2014 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
WHY?



http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

I know what a troll is, what bothered you about his post.

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On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:08:04 AM UTC-5, Greg Guarino wrote:

I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand? Untouched as I am by any
personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".

As woodchucker pointed out, it has a lot to do with having the right hand tools. Same as with power woodworking. Right tool makes the job easier. Using a scrub plane makes dimensioning boards fairly quick. Not as quick as with powered jointers and planers, but still fairly quick. Scrub planes remove a lot of wood quickly. Whereas when you use a regular plane to remove wood and dimension it, it takes a long time because regular planes cannot cut a lot of wood. Scrub planes are fun to use.

Dimensioning wood is not fun with hand tools. Its physically demanding work. Its not really skilled work. Its hard physical work. I think there are a fair number of handtool woodworkers who use machines to dimension the wood. Joint, plane, rip. Then use handtools to final dimension, smooth, joints. Mix.

"Greg Guarino" wrote in message ...

I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the rip-sawing
and thickness-planing by hand? Untouched as I am by any personal
experience, I think I can see how there would be real satisfaction in doing
the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I would find all that
thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".


I've done it... and still do at times. I also taught my sons, starting at
about age 8, how to resaw, rip saw, crosscut, 4-square, and shoot with
handtools... They understand the intent, purpose and process now rather than
just know they have to shove a board through a machine.

In recent times they've been using my large stationary tools (bandsaw,
jointer, thickness planer, table saw). This coming weekend my youngest will
use the shaper for the first time to shape and mold using the template I
recently mentioned in another thread. This would have happened last weekend
but the rub collar I needed didn't show up until yesterday... I tested the
set up last evening and it works like a charm.

It is satisfying and with small stock it is often the right way to go.

John

On 4/16/2014 11:08 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:

I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand?

Not any more ... but, the ability to be able to do it, if it is the only
way to get the job done ... Priceless.

Untouched as I am by any
personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".

Luckily, both my grandfather's, and my Dad, were self reliant men in a
self reliant culture, so I was blessed to have been exposed to the use
of woodworking hand tools early in life. Mostly by my maternal
grandfather who had a shop, sawmill, and built his farm buildings, home,
and the furniture that went into it.

I wouldn't necessarily advocate that everyone start off with only hand
tools in the 21 century, but skills, once learned to a level adequate
for most jobs, tend to stick with you, and come in handy even though you
may be rusty.

I recently installed crown, base and shoe mostly by hand (I did use a
finish nail gun) in a bedroom remodel. Learned to cope inside miter
joints when I was around ten, and here, 60 later, it's was like riding a
bicycle. And, by being able to do so, I managed to save and reuse a
quite a bit of trim that was no longer available in a house 90 years
old; and a good deal of time to boot by not having to remove but one
side of the trim on intersecting walls.

Basically, and though I have never even been anything but barely
adequate with hand tools, I can't count the number of times what I did
learn as a youngster has saved my bacon.

And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
regard.

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On 4/16/2014 4:57 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/16/2014 11:08 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:

I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand?

Not any more ... but, the ability to be able to do it, if it is the only
way to get the job done ... Priceless.

Untouched as I am by any
personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".

Luckily, both my grandfather's, and my Dad, were self reliant men in a
self reliant culture, so I was blessed to have been exposed to the use
of woodworking hand tools early in life. Mostly by my maternal
grandfather who had a shop, sawmill, and built his farm buildings, home,
and the furniture that went into it.

I wouldn't necessarily advocate that everyone start off with only hand
tools in the 21 century, but skills, once learned to a level adequate
for most jobs, tend to stick with you, and come in handy even though you
may be rusty.

I think this holds true with most anything and may be one of the reasons
that some people have difficulty in learning to using computer drawing
programs. Having a formally taught back ground in analog? drafting
seemed to have helped me greatly 28 years ago when I first started using
CAD programs.


I recently installed crown, base and shoe mostly by hand (I did use a
finish nail gun) in a bedroom remodel. Learned to cope inside miter
joints when I was around ten, and here, 60 later, it's was like riding a
bicycle. And, by being able to do so, I managed to save and reuse a
quite a bit of trim that was no longer available in a house 90 years
old; and a good deal of time to boot by not having to remove but one
side of the trim on intersecting walls.

Basically, and though I have never even been anything but barely
adequate with hand tools, I can't count the number of times what I did
learn as a youngster has saved my bacon.

And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
regard.

woodchucker wrote:
On 4/16/2014 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power
tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
WHY?



http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

I know what a troll is, what bothered you about his post.

That along with "unnecessary bickering" with krw made me put him in the
"troll" category.
Am I wrong? I want to do what I can to reduce troll-participation.
Trolls seek to waste our time and
denigrate our newsgroups.

Swingman wrote:
On 4/16/2014 9:36 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.

Might want to reconsider. Dave is not a troll by any definition of the
word, or deed.

I'm willing to reconsider and apologize. Wasn't he the one carrying on
an ongoing bicker-session with krw?
As you may know, I don't come here to argue with anyone. Maybe it was a
misunderstanding?
His post appeared to exhibit "troll behavior" though. Maybe I can take
classes on recognizing troll behavior
when I see it...

Bill

wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

No, it's trolling if you try to split the group too.
Since you have some supporters, I unkill-filed you (not that you have to
care..lol).
I've been wrong before, this surely won't be the last time.

Bill

On 4/16/2014 5:57 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/16/2014 11:08 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:

I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand?

Not any more ... but, the ability to be able to do it, if it is the only
way to get the job done ... Priceless.

Untouched as I am by any
personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".

Luckily, both my grandfather's, and my Dad, were self reliant men in a
self reliant culture, so I was blessed to have been exposed to the use
of woodworking hand tools early in life. Mostly by my maternal
grandfather who had a shop, sawmill, and built his farm buildings, home,
and the furniture that went into it.

I wouldn't necessarily advocate that everyone start off with only hand
tools in the 21 century, but skills, once learned to a level adequate
for most jobs, tend to stick with you, and come in handy even though you
may be rusty.

I recently installed crown, base and shoe mostly by hand (I did use a
finish nail gun) in a bedroom remodel. Learned to cope inside miter
joints when I was around ten, and here, 60 later, it's was like riding a
bicycle. And, by being able to do so, I managed to save and reuse a
quite a bit of trim that was no longer available in a house 90 years
old; and a good deal of time to boot by not having to remove but one
side of the trim on intersecting walls.

Basically, and though I have never even been anything but barely
adequate with hand tools, I can't count the number of times what I did
learn as a youngster has saved my bacon.

And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
regard.


It is sad. You know theres a song, in the year 2525, ..... if you look
it up, we are headed that way, useless ... just useless... no more arms,
or legs.... just useless pieces of crap..

--
Jeff

On 4/16/2014 6:43 PM, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 4/16/2014 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power
tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
WHY?



http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

I know what a troll is, what bothered you about his post.

That along with "unnecessary bickering" with krw made me put him in the
"troll" category.
Am I wrong? I want to do what I can to reduce troll-participation.
Trolls seek to waste our time and
denigrate our newsgroups.

You picked the wrong one to put in the troll category. KRW fits the
TROLL...

--
Jeff

On 4/16/2014 5:47 PM, Bill wrote:
Swingman wrote:

Might want to reconsider. Dave is not a troll by any definition of the
word, or deed.

I'm willing to reconsider and apologize. Wasn't he the one carrying on
an ongoing bicker-session with krw?
As you may know, I don't come here to argue with anyone. Maybe it was a
misunderstanding?
His post appeared to exhibit "troll behavior" though. Maybe I can take
classes on recognizing troll behavior
when I see it...

Dave, an exceptionally good guy, has added a lot to the newsgroup down
through the years. He, simply put, doesn't take **** off anyone. Give
him a break.

Started lurking here in the late nineties, starting posting under
another name ("Chakra", if you can believe that) around 2000, and my
current in 2001, and trust me, we will all have our turn in that barrel
at some point ... some of us more than others.

--
eWoodShop: www.eWoodShop.com
Wood Shop: www.e-WoodShop.net
https://www.google.com/+eWoodShop
https://plus.google.com/+KarlCaillouet/posts
http://www.custommade.com/by/ewoodshop/
KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious)

On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 18:43:11 -0400, Bill wrote:

woodchucker wrote:
On 4/16/2014 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power
tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
WHY?



http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

I know what a troll is, what bothered you about his post.

That along with "unnecessary bickering" with krw made me put him in the
"troll" category.
Am I wrong? I want to do what I can to reduce troll-participation.
Trolls seek to waste our time and
denigrate our newsgroups.


Congratulations Billy boy ! You are even a bigger pussy than Leon ! ~g~
You wouldn't know a troll if it crawled up your vagina and set fire to
your ovaries.

Good luck - let us all know how that kill-file works out for ya.
John T.








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On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 10:45:29 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
You just have not gotten to know him. He does not raise hell to be a
PIA. He just likes to defend his position, like some on else I know. ;~0

HAR That's just about the best definition of me that I've seen.

On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:24:05 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.

In the day, it was called an apprentice :-)

Sounds similar to my first shop teacher. He had us saw wood by hand
until we almost had blisters and then taught us to use the table saw.
His reasoning was we had to learn the basics before we went onto the
advanced stuff.