On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:31:39 -0400, woodchucker
I mostly do Dovetails by hand, I have only done machined a couple of
times... I like hand dovetailing, I just consider it a nice touch.. If I
had a lot of draws, I might bring out the jig, but I always find that I
get the precision I desire, and look from hand cut.

And, from what I've read by a few other experienced woodworkers here,
dovetail jigs are frequently a pain to setup properly.

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:31:39 AM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
Greg Guarino wrote: Bill wrote: I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video. Geez. His pile of shavings is nicer than some of my work, .... Before I got a jointer, ....

Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach over night, either.

I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time, do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious to rip with a hand saw, either.

Sonny

On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:57:24 -0500, Swingman wrote:
And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
regard.

The ridiculous thing about all of it is that now, some of the well
paying, life supporting jobs are the plumber, electrician and similar
type jobs. When I went to school, those were the lower tier jobs that
the less motivated students were streamed into.

wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:57:24 -0500, Swingman wrote:
And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
regard.
The ridiculous thing about all of it is that now, some of the well
paying, life supporting jobs are the plumber, electrician and similar
type jobs.

When I went to school, those were the lower tier jobs that
the less motivated students were streamed into.

Schools don't get rewarded with tax money for successfully streaming
students into those jobs. Now the schools don't even help students to
prepare for those jobs.
Community colleges have some programs, such as HVAC.

On 4/16/2014 9:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 11:31:39 AM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
Greg Guarino wrote: Bill wrote: I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video. Geez. His pile of shavings is nicer than some of my work, .... Before I got a jointer, ....

Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach over night, either.

I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time, do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious to rip with a hand saw, either.

Sonny

Nice.

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On 4/16/2014 8:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach over night, either.

I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time, do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious to rip with a hand saw, either.

Thursday Throwback, a few hours early.

JOAT (Jack-Of-All-Trades), one of the denizens of the WREC a few years
back, described this "shop thing" succinctly:

"My shop helps me relax, makes me feel better (more "up" I guess you
would say), and helps ease the headache. It is enough sometimes just to
know it is there, that it's mine. Sometimes I go out there for hours
making something, sometimes I just piddle around, sometimes I do a
little and then just sit for awhile, and sometimes all I do is just sit,
listen to music, smell the sawdust, watch the birds and squirrels, and
don't think about anything much at all."

Once again, thanks JOAT, that pretty well still describes it for me!

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On 04/16/2014 08:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/16/2014 8:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing
precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach
over night, either.

I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop
just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually
on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time,
do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the
like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the
power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious
to rip with a hand saw, either.

Thursday Throwback, a few hours early.

JOAT (Jack-Of-All-Trades), one of the denizens of the WREC a few years
back, described this "shop thing" succinctly:

"My shop helps me relax, makes me feel better (more "up" I guess you
would say), and helps ease the headache. It is enough sometimes just to
know it is there, that it's mine. Sometimes I go out there for hours
making something, sometimes I just piddle around, sometimes I do a
little and then just sit for awhile, and sometimes all I do is just sit,
listen to music, smell the sawdust, watch the birds and squirrels, and
don't think about anything much at all."

Once again, thanks JOAT, that pretty well still describes it for me!

AMEN

On 4/16/2014 8:07 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 10:45:29 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
You just have not gotten to know him. He does not raise hell to be a
PIA. He just likes to defend his position, like some on else I know. ;~0

HAR That's just about the best definition of me that I've seen.



I'm glad that you did not take that the wrong way. I believe that we
have been acquainted long enough on here that we intend no malice is in
either direction.

On 4/16/2014 5:43 PM, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 4/16/2014 11:00 AM, Bill wrote:
woodchucker wrote:
On 4/16/2014 10:36 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power
tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.
WHY?



http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

I know what a troll is, what bothered you about his post.

That along with "unnecessary bickering" with krw made me put him in the
"troll" category.
Am I wrong? I want to do what I can to reduce troll-participation.
Trolls seek to waste our time and
denigrate our newsgroups.



Consider Bill the disagreement that you and I had a few days back about
steel strings. ;~) I don't think that either of us was kill filed
although that discussion might have been seen as a similar incident. We
all get rubbed the wrong way now and then but I don't believe any of us,
well except maybe Stinky, deserves to be censored.

On 4/16/2014 5:47 PM, Bill wrote:
Swingman wrote:
On 4/16/2014 9:36 AM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

You're kill-filed. Recommend others consider likewise.

Might want to reconsider. Dave is not a troll by any definition of the
word, or deed.

I'm willing to reconsider and apologize. Wasn't he the one carrying on
an ongoing bicker-session with krw?
As you may know, I don't come here to argue with anyone. Maybe it was a
misunderstanding?
His post appeared to exhibit "troll behavior" though. Maybe I can take
classes on recognizing troll behavior
when I see it...

Bill




If you want an exact definition of a troll, take a look at who responded
to you in a rather vulgar manner at 8:05 pm.

On 4/16/2014 5:55 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 09:13:36 -0400, Bill
Nice drop leaf table. Imagine what he could do with some power tools
or machinery to handle some of the more mundane tasks.
I caught you---too obvious. You're trolling.
??? It's only trolling if I was seeking some type of response. ~ I
wasn't.

No, it's trolling if you try to split the group too.
Since you have some supporters, I unkill-filed you (not that you have to
care..lol).
I've been wrong before, this surely won't be the last time.

Bill


Great!

Leon wrote:
On 4/16/2014 5:47 PM, Bill wrote:

His post appeared to exhibit "troll behavior" though. Maybe I can take
classes on recognizing troll behavior
when I see it...

Bill




If you want an exact definition of a troll, take a look at who
responded to you in a rather vulgar manner at 8:05 pm.

I had already forgotten about that one until I looked it up! It looks
like he likes you too!

On 4/16/2014 11:44 PM, Bill wrote:
Leon wrote:
On 4/16/2014 5:47 PM, Bill wrote:

His post appeared to exhibit "troll behavior" though. Maybe I can take
classes on recognizing troll behavior
when I see it...

Bill




If you want an exact definition of a troll, take a look at who
responded to you in a rather vulgar manner at 8:05 pm.

I had already forgotten about that one until I looked it up! It looks
like he likes you too!



I attract all the crack pots.

On 4/16/2014 11:04 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
On 04/16/2014 08:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/16/2014 8:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing
precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach
over night, either.

I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop
just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually
on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time,
do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the
like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the
power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious
to rip with a hand saw, either.

Thursday Throwback, a few hours early.

JOAT (Jack-Of-All-Trades), one of the denizens of the WREC a few years
back, described this "shop thing" succinctly:

"My shop helps me relax, makes me feel better (more "up" I guess you
would say), and helps ease the headache. It is enough sometimes just to
know it is there, that it's mine. Sometimes I go out there for hours
making something, sometimes I just piddle around, sometimes I do a
little and then just sit for awhile, and sometimes all I do is just sit,
listen to music, smell the sawdust, watch the birds and squirrels, and
don't think about anything much at all."

Once again, thanks JOAT, that pretty well still describes it for me!

AMEN




Yep..

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woodchucker writes:
On 4/16/2014 5:57 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/16/2014 11:08 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:

I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand?

Not any more ... but, the ability to be able to do it, if it is the only
way to get the job done ... Priceless.

Untouched as I am by any
personal experience, I think I can see how there would be real
satisfaction in doing the joinery by hand, but I'm less convinced that I
would find all that thickness-planing "un trabajo feliz".

Luckily, both my grandfather's, and my Dad, were self reliant men in a
self reliant culture, so I was blessed to have been exposed to the use
of woodworking hand tools early in life. Mostly by my maternal
grandfather who had a shop, sawmill, and built his farm buildings, home,
and the furniture that went into it.

I wouldn't necessarily advocate that everyone start off with only hand
tools in the 21 century, but skills, once learned to a level adequate
for most jobs, tend to stick with you, and come in handy even though you
may be rusty.

I recently installed crown, base and shoe mostly by hand (I did use a
finish nail gun) in a bedroom remodel. Learned to cope inside miter
joints when I was around ten, and here, 60 later, it's was like riding a
bicycle. And, by being able to do so, I managed to save and reuse a
quite a bit of trim that was no longer available in a house 90 years
old; and a good deal of time to boot by not having to remove but one
side of the trim on intersecting walls.

Basically, and though I have never even been anything but barely
adequate with hand tools, I can't count the number of times what I did
learn as a youngster has saved my bacon.

And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
regard.


It is sad. You know theres a song, in the year 2525, ..... if you look
it up, we are headed that way, useless ... just useless... no more arms,
or legs.... just useless pieces of crap..

In the year 9595, I'm kinda wonderin' if Man is gonna be alive.
He's taken everything this old Earth can give, and he ain't put back nothin'

Now it's been 10,000 years, Man has cried a billion tears,
For what, he never knew. Now man's reign is through.

-- Zager & Evans, 1969

OBWW: Denny Zager now builds custom guitars in Lincon Nebraska.

writes:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 16:57:24 -0500, Swingman wrote:
And ... I grew up in an age when there were actually SHOPS to be seen in
public schools ... Man, have we lost an incalculable amount of desirable
human traits, skills, and basic psychological/cultural health, in that
regard.

The ridiculous thing about all of it is that now, some of the well
paying, life supporting jobs are the plumber, electrician and similar
type jobs. When I went to school, those were the lower tier jobs that
the less motivated students were streamed into.

Oddly enough, the many silicon valley high schools have industrial
arts programs, including wood shops.

writes:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:31:39 -0400, woodchucker
I mostly do Dovetails by hand, I have only done machined a couple of
times... I like hand dovetailing, I just consider it a nice touch.. If I
had a lot of draws, I might bring out the jig, but I always find that I
get the precision I desire, and look from hand cut.

And, from what I've read by a few other experienced woodworkers here,
dovetail jigs are frequently a pain to setup properly.

For a one-off jewelry box drawer, probably. For a production run of
20 drawers, the jigs are invaluable. I do like my D4.

"Bill" wrote in message ...

If you have 31 minutes to watch someone do some woodworking with hand
tools you might like this:

http://www.woodworksbb.es/

I don't think he drips a bead of sweat during the entire video.


Very sharp tools and determination to get job perfect. Great craftsman. WW

On 4/16/2014 11:48 PM, Leon wrote:

I attract all the crack pots.

Hereah! ... I thought it was French models? LOL

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On 4/16/2014 11:01 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 4/16/2014 8:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing
precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach
over night, either.

I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop
just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools (usually
on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to kill time,
do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come over) and the
like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't always use the
power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but I'm not anxious
to rip with a hand saw, either.

Thursday Throwback, a few hours early.

JOAT (Jack-Of-All-Trades), one of the denizens of the WREC a few years
back, described this "shop thing" succinctly:

"My shop helps me relax, makes me feel better (more "up" I guess you
would say), and helps ease the headache. It is enough sometimes just to
know it is there, that it's mine. Sometimes I go out there for hours
making something, sometimes I just piddle around, sometimes I do a
little and then just sit for awhile, and sometimes all I do is just sit,
listen to music, smell the sawdust, watch the birds and squirrels, and
don't think about anything much at all."

Once again, thanks JOAT, that pretty well still describes it for me!

I'm something of a "thinker" by nature, and I am blessed/afflicted with
many of the consequences of that condition.

The last couple of years have presented a lot of challenges, and a guy
like me might tend to spend idle moments churning the permutations
around in my head. Having a project in progress ("in progress" is a
long-lasting condition for my projects) gives me something else for my
brain to chew on, during my commute to work, for instance. I turn the
pieces around in my head, reshape them, fit them together and mostly
puzzle out how to turn those ideas into reality given my current
limitations. Definitely an aid to good mental health.

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On 4/18/2014 9:18 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:

I'm something of a "thinker" by nature, and I am blessed/afflicted with
many of the consequences of that condition.

Know the feeling all too well. My mind chews on a problem, and goes over
and over possible solutions, like a dog on a bone ...even when I'm asleep.

Can't tell you how many times I've woken out of a sleep with solutions
to a problem, or ways to do something, I'd been wrestling with the day
before.

When I took an interest in computer programming in the late sixties
there were no books at the bookstore, no online sources and you
bascially had to puzzle things out yourself, sometimes by the brute
force of trial and error.

The reward is coming up with an "elegant" solution, even though you
might find out later that you rebuilt a wheel some Wizard came up with
before ... than you can just say "Great minds ..."

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On 4/18/2014 9:18 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:

brain to chew on, during my commute to work, for instance. I turn the
pieces around in my head, reshape them, fit them together and mostly
puzzle out how to turn those ideas into reality given my current
limitations. Definitely an aid to good mental health.

In woodworking one often gets greater satisfaction from how you did
something than you get out of the actual piece itself.

This is especially true when devising jigs and fixtures to do something
that no tool can do, and/or do it safely.

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Swingman wrote:
On 4/18/2014 9:18 AM, Greg Guarino wrote:

I'm something of a "thinker" by nature, and I am blessed/afflicted with
many of the consequences of that condition.

Know the feeling all too well. My mind chews on a problem, and goes
over and over possible solutions, like a dog on a bone ...even when
I'm asleep.

Can't tell you how many times I've woken out of a sleep with solutions
to a problem, or ways to do something, I'd been wrestling with the day
before.

When I took an interest in computer programming in the late sixties
there were no books at the bookstore, no online sources and you
bascially had to puzzle things out yourself, sometimes by the brute
force of trial and error.
Welcome to my life. ; )

The reward is coming up with an "elegant" solution, even though you
might find out later that you rebuilt a wheel some Wizard came up with
before ... than you can just say "Great minds ..."

Greg Guarino wrote:

I'm curious. Given adequate free time, would any of you do the
rip-sawing and thickness-planing by hand?
-----------------------------------------
"Swingman" wrote:

Not any more ... but, the ability to be able to do it, if it is the
only way to get the job done ... Priceless.
----------------------------------------
So you are here to tell me that still being able to shoot a sight with
a sextant from the deck of a pitching boat or still being able to
use my Post, log-log-desi-trig slide rule to run a string of
calculations,
still has value for something other than collecting a few drinks
proving you still know how to use those tools?


Who would have thunk it?


Lew

On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:54:19 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
So you are here to tell me that still being able to shoot a sight with
a sextant from the deck of a pitching boat or still being able to
use my Post, log-log-desi-trig slide rule to run a string of
calculations,

still has value for something other than collecting a few drinks
proving you still know how to use those tools?
Who would have thunk it?

You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar storm
could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone remembers
how to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting hired
for outlandish wages.

On 4/19/2014 1:28 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 17:54:19 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
So you are here to tell me that still being able to shoot a sight with
a sextant from the deck of a pitching boat or still being able to
use my Post, log-log-desi-trig slide rule to run a string of
calculations,

still has value for something other than collecting a few drinks
proving you still know how to use those tools?
Who would have thunk it?

You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar storm
could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone remembers
how to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting hired
for outlandish wages.


And the way Russia, the US, the middle east , N Korea and terrorists are
going, who knows we may experience the first Atomic bomb since it's
first test in the deserts of NM.. we may do it in a populous area and we
might need to go old fashion for a while.

BTW had a recruiter call the other day. After initial intro and stuff he
told me he had a job in Princetion, he asked if I were a citizen.. I
said yes. He said he would call me back in a few minutes... He never
did.. Being a citizen is not necessarily what they are looking for.
There's a push on again to eliminate the H1B quotas by the big companies.

How did we get here?

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wrote:


You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar
storm
could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone
remembers
how to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting
hired
for outlandish wages.
-------------------------------------------------
Doesn't only apply to boomers.

There are numerous times when old timers have been brought out
of retirement to document processes, or underground utilities
locations
that hadn't been documented except in the memories of old timers,

Lew

On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:58:03 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
Doesn't only apply to boomers.

There are numerous times when old timers have been brought out
of retirement to document processes, or underground utilities
locations
that hadn't been documented except in the memories of old timers,

Well, boomers are just hitting the 65 retirement range and that's what
I was thinking of. But yeah, there's plenty who are older with the
skills to go entirely manual.

Only thing is, can they remember how? I just hit 60 and damned if I
can remember how to use a slide rule. Or course, I never had to use
one for a living, so that may make a big difference.

On Sat, 19 Apr 2014 14:58:03 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


wrote:


You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar
storm
could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone
remembers
how to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting
hired
for outlandish wages.
-------------------------------------------------
Doesn't only apply to boomers.

There are numerous times when old timers have been brought out
of retirement to document processes, or underground utilities
locations
that hadn't been documented except in the memories of old timers,

It certainly happened during the runup to Y2K. COBOL programmers were
worth some money.

wrote:


"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

Only thing is, can they remember how? I just hit 60 and damned if I
can remember how to use a slide rule. Or course, I never had to use
one for a living, so that may make a big difference.
----------------------------------------------
When I graduated, you either used a slide rule or you didn't
study engineering.

10 years later, man had landed on the moon.

Lew

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
b.com...

wrote:

You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar storm
could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone remembers how
to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting
hired for outlandish wages.
-------------------------------------------------
Doesn't only apply to boomers.

There are numerous times when old timers have been brought out
of retirement to document processes, or underground utilities locations
that hadn't been documented except in the memories of old timers,

When I worked at Colonial Williamsburg in the '80s there were others there
who resurrected tasks like brick making, gun making (lock, stock and barrel
using the technology available in the 18th century), the bloomery process
for turning bog iron into steel, etc. While there I came to understand that
pretty much the whole world had been built without electricity. ;~)

John

Hoover dam comes to mind. As they retire, they're hired for consultants
and trainers. Colleges don't teach old tech.



On 4/19/2014 5:58 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
wrote:


You never know, a series of electromagnetic surges from a solar
storm
could well knock out power for considerable time. Those sextants and
slide rules might be worth their weight in gold ~ If anyone
remembers
how to use them. There might be a surge of baby boomers getting
hired
for outlandish wages.
-------------------------------------------------
Doesn't only apply to boomers.

There are numerous times when old timers have been brought out
of retirement to document processes, or underground utilities
locations
that hadn't been documented except in the memories of old timers,

Lew

On Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:08:48 AM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
who knows we may experience the first Atomic bomb since it's
first test in the deserts of NM.. we may do it in a populous area and we
might need to go old fashion for a while.

How did we get here?

Jeff

Hiroshima. Nagasaki. Not sure what it implies about people when they forget there were two atomic bombs dropped on Japan in August 1945 after the test atomic explosion in the deserts of New Mexico.

On 4/20/2014 6:58 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, April 19, 2014 9:08:48 AM UTC-5, woodchucker wrote:
who knows we may experience the first Atomic bomb since it's
first test in the deserts of NM.. we may do it in a populous area and we
might need to go old fashion for a while.

How did we get here?

Jeff

Hiroshima. Nagasaki. Not sure what it implies about people when they forget there were two atomic bombs dropped on Japan in August 1945 after the test atomic explosion in the deserts of New Mexico.

I meant in the states.
There were actually a few above ground before they went below ground,
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Jeff

Swingman wrote:
On 4/16/2014 8:23 PM, Sonny wrote:
Seems to me he's in his shop just relaxing, taking his time, doing
precision work. He didn't learn his skills or develope that approach
over night, either.

I'm rarely in a rush to finish any project and I often go in the shop
just to hang out, maybe plan a project, plan to sharpen tools
(usually on a rainy day), etc. I may do a simple project just to
kill time, do some carving, have a beer, visit (if someone has come
over) and the like. When doing small "relaxing" projects, I don't
always use the power tools. Using hand tools is gratifying.... but
I'm not anxious to rip with a hand saw, either.

Thursday Throwback, a few hours early.

JOAT (Jack-Of-All-Trades), one of the denizens of the WREC a few years
back, described this "shop thing" succinctly:

"My shop helps me relax, makes me feel better (more "up" I guess you
would say), and helps ease the headache. It is enough sometimes just
to know it is there, that it's mine. Sometimes I go out there for
hours making something, sometimes I just piddle around, sometimes I do
a little and then just sit for awhile, and sometimes all I do is just
sit, listen to music, smell the sawdust, watch the birds and
squirrels, and don't think about anything much at all."

Once again, thanks JOAT, that pretty well still describes it for me!

I went out there for a while to resume my spring tidying-up. After we
get the holiday decorations out of the way ("squatters!"), things will
be dandy! I think JOAT knew what he was talking about!