I'm in the process of making this
http://www.kitchensource.com/cau/na-p0650mnl1.htm but I need the
sliding hardware to complete the project. It cannot be a full drawer
slide for obvious reasons you'll see when viewing the site. I'm thinking
I may be able to use these
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalo...hp?p_ref=21462

Can anyone confirm they will work and/or suggest a place I can purchase
the proper slides needed?

Thanks

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Meanie wrote:
I'm in the process of making this
http://www.kitchensource.com/cau/na-p0650mnl1.htm but I need the
sliding hardware to complete the project. It cannot be a full drawer
slide for obvious reasons you'll see when viewing the site. I'm
thinking I may be able to use these
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalo...hp?p_ref=21462

Can anyone confirm they will work and/or suggest a place I can
purchase the proper slides needed?


The pocket door slide in your second link is not what you want for the
cabinet in the first link. The slides in the first link are just standard
slides. You can get those at any big box store. The only difference
between them and a traditional drawer is that they are mounted sideways.
The swingaway is just mounted to the style with a piano hinge.

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On 12/1/2013 9:17 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Meanie wrote:
I'm in the process of making this
http://www.kitchensource.com/cau/na-p0650mnl1.htm but I need the
sliding hardware to complete the project. It cannot be a full drawer
slide for obvious reasons you'll see when viewing the site. I'm
thinking I may be able to use these
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalo...hp?p_ref=21462

Can anyone confirm they will work and/or suggest a place I can
purchase the proper slides needed?


The pocket door slide in your second link is not what you want for the
cabinet in the first link. The slides in the first link are just standard
slides. You can get those at any big box store. The only difference
between them and a traditional drawer is that they are mounted sideways.
The swingaway is just mounted to the style with a piano hinge.

The standard slides will not work. You will notice the cabinet unit
mount with hinge is mounted to the 14" x 6" piece of stock mounted to
the slide. A standard slide uses equal length tracks. There isn't any
way to install that mount to the track without it hindering the function
of the swing out cabinet.

The 14 x 6 mount cannot be mounted on the front section of the slides
since it needs to retract all the way in. It needs to be fastened at the
back of the slides. If you do that, you'll have the entire front section
of the slides sticking out, thus, hindering the area for the cabinet to
swing out. Therefore, the type of slides needed would contain an entire
outer track length with a small inner track section to allow full
movement within the entire outer track.

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Meanie wrote:
On 12/1/2013 9:17 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Meanie wrote:
I'm in the process of making this
http://www.kitchensource.com/cau/na-p0650mnl1.htm but I need the
sliding hardware to complete the project. It cannot be a full drawer
slide for obvious reasons you'll see when viewing the site. I'm
thinking I may be able to use these
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalo...hp?p_ref=21462

Can anyone confirm they will work and/or suggest a place I can
purchase the proper slides needed?


The pocket door slide in your second link is not what you want for the
cabinet in the first link. The slides in the first link are just standard
slides. You can get those at any big box store. The only difference
between them and a traditional drawer is that they are mounted sideways.
The swingaway is just mounted to the style with a piano hinge.

The standard slides will not work. You will notice the cabinet unit mount
with hinge is mounted to the 14" x 6" piece of stock mounted to the
slide. A standard slide uses equal length tracks. There isn't any way to
install that mount to the track without it hindering the function of the swing out cabinet.

The 14 x 6 mount cannot be mounted on the front section of the slides
since it needs to retract all the way in. It needs to be fastened at the
back of the slides. If you do that, you'll have the entire front section
of the slides sticking out, thus, hindering the area for the cabinet to
swing out. Therefore, the type of slides needed would contain an entire
outer track length with a small inner track section to allow full
movement within the entire outer track.

Never tried this, but it might be worth looking into, and provide a
solution.

There are two basic components to "drawer" slides: the cabinet side part,
and the drawer side part.

It appears that the problem you're facing is that the drawer side part must
be considerably shorter than the cabinet side part, and still be able to
slide the entire length of the cabinet side part, for the hinged unit to
work and still go inside the cabinet box.

It looks like this is what has been done by the manufacturer, who has had
custom drawer slides made for this particular purpose.

Have you thought about the possibility of trying to interchange the parts
of two pairs of drawer slides, same make and model, but of different
lengths, to see if that would work, either out of the box, or with some
modification to the shorter, drawer side part?

Might also be worth a call to a slide manufacturer to explore this
possibility.

FWIW ...

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Meanie wrote:
On 12/1/2013 9:17 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Meanie wrote:
I'm in the process of making this
http://www.kitchensource.com/cau/na-p0650mnl1.htm but I need the
sliding hardware to complete the project. It cannot be a full drawer
slide for obvious reasons you'll see when viewing the site. I'm
thinking I may be able to use these
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalo...hp?p_ref=21462

Can anyone confirm they will work and/or suggest a place I can
purchase the proper slides needed?


The pocket door slide in your second link is not what you want for
the cabinet in the first link. The slides in the first link are
just standard slides. You can get those at any big box store. The
only difference between them and a traditional drawer is that they
are mounted sideways. The swingaway is just mounted to the style
with a piano hinge.
The standard slides will not work. You will notice the cabinet unit
mount with hinge is mounted to the 14" x 6" piece of stock mounted to
the slide. A standard slide uses equal length tracks. There isn't any
way to install that mount to the track without it hindering the
function of the swing out cabinet.

I do not see the 14x6in piece mounted to the slide at all. The photo seems
to me to clearly show the slides simply mounted 90 degrees from their normal
orientation, to allow them to slide left/right. I see no connection at all
between the slides and the swing out cabinet. It appears to simply be
hinged at the style.


The 14 x 6 mount cannot be mounted on the front section of the slides
since it needs to retract all the way in. It needs to be fastened at
the back of the slides. If you do that, you'll have the entire front
section of the slides sticking out, thus, hindering the area for the
cabinet
to swing out. Therefore, the type of slides needed would contain an
entire outer track length with a small inner track section to allow full
movement within the entire outer track.


Look at the enlarged photo. At least to my eye, it looks very clear how the
cabinet is built, and is a simply use of traditional slides.

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Swingman wrote:


It appears that the problem you're facing is that the drawer side
part must be considerably shorter than the cabinet side part, and
still be able to slide the entire length of the cabinet side part,
for the hinged unit to work and still go inside the cabinet box.


I'm not seeing that Karl, but you have a lot more experience than I do in
these things. Why wouldn't a standard slide work? All the hinged part
requires is that the slides be retracted to a point flush with the right
hand style - right? That could be accomplished with blocking to mount the
cabinet portion of the slide to, that sits a bit weak of the style.
Probably just use blocking to mount the rear of the slides inside to corner
piece as well. At least that's what my mind see...


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Mike Marlow wrote:
Meanie wrote:
On 12/1/2013 9:17 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Meanie wrote:
I'm in the process of making this
http://www.kitchensource.com/cau/na-p0650mnl1.htm but I need the
sliding hardware to complete the project. It cannot be a full
drawer slide for obvious reasons you'll see when viewing the site.
I'm thinking I may be able to use these
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalo...hp?p_ref=21462

Can anyone confirm they will work and/or suggest a place I can
purchase the proper slides needed?



So - once again displaying my highly refined ability to be dense... while
out in the garage, smoking a cigarette - which is where I do all of my best
thinking... it finally dawned on my what you were originally asking.

Yeah - it does look like one of those pocket door slides like used on
entertainment centers, would be in order - or perhaps even standard drawer
slides mounted to the left wall of the cabinet.

You might ask how it did not occur to me that a pantry that deep could not
simply hinge into an opening of that size - don't bother asking...

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On 12/1/2013 11:13 AM, Swingman wrote:
Meanie wrote:
On 12/1/2013 9:17 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Meanie wrote:
I'm in the process of making this
http://www.kitchensource.com/cau/na-p0650mnl1.htm but I need the
sliding hardware to complete the project. It cannot be a full drawer
slide for obvious reasons you'll see when viewing the site. I'm
thinking I may be able to use these
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalo...hp?p_ref=21462

Can anyone confirm they will work and/or suggest a place I can
purchase the proper slides needed?


The pocket door slide in your second link is not what you want for the
cabinet in the first link. The slides in the first link are just standard
slides. You can get those at any big box store. The only difference
between them and a traditional drawer is that they are mounted sideways.
The swingaway is just mounted to the style with a piano hinge.

The standard slides will not work. You will notice the cabinet unit mount
with hinge is mounted to the 14" x 6" piece of stock mounted to the
slide. A standard slide uses equal length tracks. There isn't any way to
install that mount to the track without it hindering the function of the swing out cabinet.

The 14 x 6 mount cannot be mounted on the front section of the slides
since it needs to retract all the way in. It needs to be fastened at the
back of the slides. If you do that, you'll have the entire front section
of the slides sticking out, thus, hindering the area for the cabinet to
swing out. Therefore, the type of slides needed would contain an entire
outer track length with a small inner track section to allow full
movement within the entire outer track.

Never tried this, but it might be worth looking into, and provide a
solution.

There are two basic components to "drawer" slides: the cabinet side part,
and the drawer side part.

It appears that the problem you're facing is that the drawer side part must
be considerably shorter than the cabinet side part, and still be able to
slide the entire length of the cabinet side part, for the hinged unit to
work and still go inside the cabinet box.

It looks like this is what has been done by the manufacturer, who has had
custom drawer slides made for this particular purpose.

Have you thought about the possibility of trying to interchange the parts
of two pairs of drawer slides, same make and model, but of different
lengths, to see if that would work, either out of the box, or with some
modification to the shorter, drawer side part?

Might also be worth a call to a slide manufacturer to explore this
possibility.

FWIW ...

You're dead on about the drawer slide needing to be much shorter.

I have thought about cutting/modifying an existing slide by reducing the
drawer side to the required length needed but have not thought about
interchanging parts. I'll look into that.

I have also thought about contacting the manufacturer to determine if I
can purchase the slide separately, but being it's Sunday, they'll be
closed, I have to wait till tomorrow.

Thank you

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"Mike Marlow" wrote:
Swingman wrote:


It appears that the problem you're facing is that the drawer side
part must be considerably shorter than the cabinet side part, and
still be able to slide the entire length of the cabinet side part,
for the hinged unit to work and still go inside the cabinet box.


I'm not seeing that Karl, but you have a lot more experience than I do in
these things. Why wouldn't a standard slide work? All the hinged part
requires is that the slides be retracted to a point flush with the right
hand style - right? That could be accomplished with blocking to mount the
cabinet portion of the slide to, that sits a bit weak of the style.
Probably just use blocking to mount the rear of the slides inside to corner
piece as well. At least that's what my mind see...

Look carefully at the "installation instructions" PDF in the first link.

The way these 'pull out and pivot' units work is to use a "follower strip"
mounted to a "drawer side" component that is shorter than the length of the
"cabinet side" component of the slide.

The pullout unit is attached to this follower strip.

Three things must be possible: the pullout unit must be capable of being
pushed all the way in in order to be able to close the cabinet door; and
pulled out far enough to pivot.

You can neither attach the pullout unit, nor a "follower strip", to a full
length "drawer side" component and have are three actions possible.

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On 12/1/2013 9:17 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Meanie wrote:
I'm in the process of making this
http://www.kitchensource.com/cau/na-p0650mnl1.htm but I need the
sliding hardware to complete the
project. It cannot be a full drawer slide for obvious
reasons you'll see when viewing the site. I'm
thinking I may be able to use these
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalo...hp?p_ref=21462

Can anyone confirm they will work and/or suggest a
place I can purchase the proper slides needed?


The pocket door slide in your second link is not what
you want for the cabinet in the first link. The slides
in the first link are just standard slides. You can
get those at any big box store. The only difference
between them and a traditional drawer is that they are
mounted sideways. The swingaway is just mounted to the
style with a piano hinge.
The standard slides will not work. You will notice the
cabinet unit mount with hinge is mounted to the 14" x 6" piece of
stock mounted to the slide. A standard slide uses equal length tracks.
There isn't any way to install that mount to the track without it
hindering the function of the swing out cabinet.

The 14 x 6 mount cannot be mounted on the front section
of the slides since it needs to retract all the way in. It needs to be
fastened at the back of the slides. If you do that, you'll have the
entire front section of the slides sticking out, thus, hindering the area
for
the cabinet to swing out. Therefore, the type of slides needed would
contain an entire outer track length with a small inner track section to
allow full movement within the entire outer track.

Perhaps I'm not understanding what you are talking about but from the
picture it seems to me that...

1. The cabinet has a standard door, hinged on the right. Open that door and
you have...

2. A compartment with two bins, hinged on the left. Open that and you
have...

3. Two trays which slide to the left and which are mounted on standard
drawer slides.

The only restriction I see is the depth of #2...that depth from hinge pivot
point to the opposite diagonal point has to be less than the width of the
opening covered by door #1.

IOW, I don't see any reason that standard drawer slides won't work for #3.

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"Meanie" wrote in message

On 12/1/2013 9:17 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
Meanie wrote:
I'm in the process of making this
http://www.kitchensource.com/cau/na-p0650mnl1.htm but I need the
sliding hardware to complete the
project. It cannot be a full drawer slide for obvious
reasons you'll see when viewing the site. I'm
thinking I may be able to use these
http://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalo...hp?p_ref=21462

Can anyone confirm they will work and/or suggest a
place I can purchase the proper slides needed?


The pocket door slide in your second link is not what
you want for the cabinet in the first link. The slides
in the first link are just standard slides. You can
get those at any big box store. The only difference
between them and a traditional drawer is that they are
mounted sideways. The swingaway is just mounted to the
style with a piano hinge.
The standard slides will not work. You will notice the
cabinet unit mount with hinge is mounted to the 14" x 6" piece of
stock mounted to the slide. A standard slide uses equal length
tracks. There isn't any way to install that mount to the track
without it hindering the function of the swing out cabinet.

The 14 x 6 mount cannot be mounted on the front section
of the slides since it needs to retract all the way in. It needs to
be fastened at the back of the slides. If you do that, you'll have
the entire front section of the slides sticking out, thus, hindering
the area for
the cabinet to swing out. Therefore, the type of slides needed would
contain an entire outer track length with a small inner track
section to allow full movement within the entire outer track.

Perhaps I'm not understanding what you are talking about but from the
picture it seems to me that...

1. The cabinet has a standard door, hinged on the right. Open that
door and you have...

2. A compartment with two bins, hinged on the left. Open that and you
have...

3. Two trays which slide to the left and which are mounted on standard
drawer slides.

The only restriction I see is the depth of #2...that depth from hinge
pivot point to the opposite diagonal point has to be less than the
width of the opening covered by door #1.

IOW, I don't see any reason that standard drawer slides won't work
for #3.

Ok - you're seeing it exactly as I am. Somehow we are not seeing the whole
picture. Karl just pointed me to the installation instructions which I'll
look at later. If it were me - I think I'd just do the obvious and the heck
with the complications. But that's just me...

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On 12/1/2013 3:46 PM, dadiOH wrote:


Perhaps I'm not understanding what you are talking about but from the
picture it seems to me that...

1. The cabinet has a standard door, hinged on the right. Open that door and
you have...

2. A compartment with two bins, hinged on the left. Open that and you
have...

3. Two trays which slide to the left and which are mounted on standard
drawer slides.

The only restriction I see is the depth of #2...that depth from hinge pivot
point to the opposite diagonal point has to be less than the width of the
opening covered by door #1.

IOW, I don't see any reason that standard drawer slides won't work for #3.

Carefully view the top view PDF diagram with the shelf system inside the
cabinet. You'll notice the mounted board at the very rear of the
slide/track. That means the rest of the track, in front of the mount,
has nothing mounted to it and will protrude outward if you pull the
entire assembly forward till the main mount reaches the front. Thus, you
now have two tracks sticking out along the side of the shelf assembly.
Those tracks sticking out will hinder it's ability to pivot out of the
way in the direction where the hinge intended it to go.

Obviously, it cannot be mounted forward on the tracks because it will
not retract all the way into the cabinet.

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On 12/1/2013 3:24 PM, Meanie wrote:

Carefully view the top view PDF diagram with the shelf system inside the
cabinet. You'll notice the mounted board at the very rear of the
slide/track. That means the rest of the track, in front of the mount,
has nothing mounted to it and will protrude outward if you pull the
entire assembly forward till the main mount reaches the front. Thus, you
now have two tracks sticking out along the side of the shelf assembly.
Those tracks sticking out will hinder it's ability to pivot out of the
way in the direction where the hinge intended it to go.

Obviously, it cannot be mounted forward on the tracks because it will
not retract all the way into the cabinet.

Exactly.

All 'pullout and pivot' flipper/pocket doors and shelves generally have
this type of "follow strip" setup and slide assembly.

In this case, the "follow strip" is what the pullout unit is actually
hinged to.

Here is similar to what you're looking for, but IME you need something
with at least 100lb rating:

http://www.cabinetparts.com/p/accuri...ides-AC411318/

I've used this pocket door hardware quite a bit on old style TV cabinets
in years past, and one would be tempted to try use one of those, except
I don't know if you can find one with a high enough weight capacity ...
but I haven't looked.

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So - once again displaying my highly refined ability to
be dense... while out in the garage, smoking a cigarette
- which is where I do all of my best thinking... it
finally dawned on my what you were originally asking.
Yeah - it does look like one of those pocket door slides
like used on entertainment centers, would be in order -
or perhaps even standard drawer slides mounted to the
left wall of the cabinet.
You might ask how it did not occur to me that a pantry
that deep could not simply hinge into an opening of that
size - don't bother asking...

Not to worry, I was thinking the same thing. Actually, I didn't realize it
is as deep as it is.

I wonder if this would work...

1. make a bottom maybe 2" thick, drawer slides - possibly over travel ones -
on the bottom

2. attach a back to the bottom

3. make the pantry, hinge to the back


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On 12/1/2013 4:53 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 12/1/2013 3:24 PM, Meanie wrote:

Carefully view the top view PDF diagram with the shelf system inside the
cabinet. You'll notice the mounted board at the very rear of the
slide/track. That means the rest of the track, in front of the mount,
has nothing mounted to it and will protrude outward if you pull the
entire assembly forward till the main mount reaches the front. Thus, you
now have two tracks sticking out along the side of the shelf assembly.
Those tracks sticking out will hinder it's ability to pivot out of the
way in the direction where the hinge intended it to go.

Obviously, it cannot be mounted forward on the tracks because it will
not retract all the way into the cabinet.

Exactly.

All 'pullout and pivot' flipper/pocket doors and shelves generally have
this type of "follow strip" setup and slide assembly.

In this case, the "follow strip" is what the pullout unit is actually
hinged to.

Here is similar to what you're looking for, but IME you need something
with at least 100lb rating:

http://www.cabinetparts.com/p/accuri...ides-AC411318/


I've used this pocket door hardware quite a bit on old style TV cabinets
in years past, and one would be tempted to try use one of those, except
I don't know if you can find one with a high enough weight capacity ...
but I haven't looked.


That may actually be perfect. I have no intentions of using the shelf
assembly for cans and such as you see in the site photos. my objective
is to use the two inner drawers for pots and pans, and the pullout
hinged assembly for lids, at least that's how I hope it works.

Thank you

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On 12/1/2013 4:58 PM, Meanie wrote:

That may actually be perfect. I have no intentions of using the shelf
assembly for cans and such as you see in the site photos. my objective
is to use the two inner drawers for pots and pans, and the pullout
hinged assembly for lids, at least that's how I hope it works.

I really like the way you've gone about solving the problem.

Accessing and utilizing the space in a blind corner cabinet is one of
the toughest nuts to crack in populating spaces with cabinets. Almost
everything available 'off the shelf' is a less than desirable kludge and
a customized solution for a particular situation is the best way to go.

Be sure to keep us posted on what you do.

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On 12/1/2013 7:23 PM, Swingman wrote:
On 12/1/2013 4:58 PM, Meanie wrote:

That may actually be perfect. I have no intentions of using the shelf
assembly for cans and such as you see in the site photos. my objective
is to use the two inner drawers for pots and pans, and the pullout
hinged assembly for lids, at least that's how I hope it works.

I really like the way you've gone about solving the problem.

Thank you. That means much.

Accessing and utilizing the space in a blind corner cabinet is one of
the toughest nuts to crack in populating spaces with cabinets. Almost
everything available 'off the shelf' is a less than desirable kludge and
a customized solution for a particular situation is the best way to go.

Be sure to keep us posted on what you do.

Will do.

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I found a old link that Karl(Swingman) posted a while back and it is
really quite a neat solution for corners.

http://www.kornerking.com/

and the D.I.Y. solution:

http://www.kornerking.com/DIY-Plans-Parts-s/238.htm

Take a few minutes to watch this guy's video.

He really gives you great reasons to get his stuff.



On 12/1/2013 2:58 PM, Meanie wrote:

That may actually be perfect. I have no intentions of using the shelf
assembly for cans and such as you see in the site photos. my objective
is to use the two inner drawers for pots and pans, and the pullout
hinged assembly for lids, at least that's how I hope it works.