Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1269926

On 5/6/2013 10:11 PM, wrote:
Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1269926

What controversy?

Richard wrote:
On 5/6/2013 10:11 PM, wrote:
Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1269926

What controversy?

Whether to outlaw 3D printers and pressure cookers.

--
 GW Ross 

 That does not compute. 

wrote in message ...

Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1269926

This is little more than noise... a goal oriented attacker will find a
means to carry out their deed whether the means are legal or not.

On 5/7/2013 7:11 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
wrote in message ...

Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1269926

This is little more than noise... a goal oriented attacker will find a
means to carry out their deed whether the means are legal or not.



Are you saying that someone who wants to commit a crime will do so even
if it's illegal?

On 5/7/2013 10:29 AM, Richard wrote:
On 5/7/2013 7:11 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
wrote in message ...

Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1269926

This is little more than noise... a goal oriented attacker will find a
means to carry out their deed whether the means are legal or not.



Are you saying that someone who wants to commit a crime will do so even
if it's illegal?
An amazing idea isn't it!

"Richard" wrote in message
m...

On 5/7/2013 7:11 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
wrote in message ...

Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1269926

This is little more than noise... a goal oriented attacker will find a
means to carry out their deed whether the means are legal or not.



Are you saying that someone who wants to commit a crime will do so even if
it's illegal?

Yup... funny how that notion is lost on folks...

On 5/7/2013 10:00 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
"Richard" wrote in message
m...

On 5/7/2013 7:11 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
wrote in message ...

Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1269926

This is little more than noise... a goal oriented attacker will find a
means to carry out their deed whether the means are legal or not.



Are you saying that someone who wants to commit a crime will do so
even if it's illegal?

Yup... funny how that notion is lost on folks...




That is because those folks are used to being told what to think.

There is no controversy except in the press. I haven't met anyone
that thinks this is a topic of any value. Why? A few minutes of
reading:

http://news.yahoo.com/not-easy-3-d-p...135843235.html

I can't see any criminal putting that much effort into an enterprise
with such a small return. Real guns are just too cheap and easy to
get from underground sources.

This is the second source I have read that says the gun is good for
one shot. Again, since most drive-bys, street assassinations and
gangster gunfights burn up a lot of rounds because the folks shooting
the guns don't spend much time at the range, I can't imagine a one
shot, completely inaccurate gun being of much interest.

This is just another hysterical offshoot topic of gun control
nonsense.

Robert

replying to none , passerby wrote:
none wrote:
Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

What exactly is the controversy? All you can do with this silly looking
thing is to kill *yourself*. You can't hit any target with it but you
definitely can put it in your mouth and pull the trigger. You can also
accidentally kill yourself if it just blows up in your face due to
printing or assembly defects, material quality and such. And there won't
be a manufacturer that your widow can sue...

But people have been using firearms for killing themselves for a long time
now

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...al/gun-deaths/

So, where is the controversy? A (properly working) 3D printer is nowhere
near as available as a ready-to-kill hand gun is and costs *way* more.
Plus the cost of the college education to use the printer and the software
that runs it ... Reminds of Chris Rock's $5000 bullet:

"
...

And people would think before they killed somebody if a bullet cost five
thousand dollars. €˜Man I would blow your f*cking head off€¦if I could
afford it. €˜Im gonna get me another job, Im going to start
saving some money, and youre a dead man. Youd better hope I cant
get no bullets on layaway.

...

"

So, no, not a controversy. Probably the best thing that ever happened to
both gun control and 3D printing industry which could use some cash
infusion by 3D printing gun enthusiasts.

--
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"passerby" wrote in message
roups.com...

replying to none , passerby wrote:
none wrote:
Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

What exactly is the controversy? All you can do with this silly looking
thing is to kill *yourself*. You can't hit any target with it but you
definitely can put it in your mouth and pull the trigger. You can also
accidentally kill yourself if it just blows up in your face due to
printing or assembly defects, material quality and such. And there won't
be a manufacturer that your widow can sue...

But people have been using firearms for killing themselves for a long time
now

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...al/gun-deaths/

So, where is the controversy? A (properly working) 3D printer is nowhere
near as available as a ready-to-kill hand gun is and costs *way* more.
Plus the cost of the college education to use the printer and the software
that runs it ... Reminds of Chris Rock's $5000 bullet:

"
...

And people would think before they killed somebody if a bullet cost five
thousand dollars. €˜Man I would blow your f*cking head off€¦if I could
afford it. €˜Im gonna get me another job, Im going to start
saving some money, and youre a dead man. Youd better hope I cant
get no bullets on layaway.

...

"

So, no, not a controversy. Probably the best thing that ever happened to
both gun control and 3D printing industry which could use some cash
infusion by 3D printing gun enthusiasts.
================================================== =========================
I hear this from time to time. Does everyone think that technology stands
still? 3D printing is the hot up and commer of manufacturing. Making a fully
functional gun is quite possible using existing technology. There is a
company now that can 3D print metals such as titanium, stainless steel,
cobalt chrome and tool steel. This technology has a ways to go but,
eventually I believe that 3D printing, or an offshoot of it, will replace
machining as a manufacturing process.

replying to CW , passerby wrote:
cmagers wrote:


================================================== =========================
I hear this from time to time. Does everyone think that technology stands
still? 3D printing is the hot up and commer of manufacturing. Making a
fully
functional gun is quite possible using existing technology. There is a
company now that can 3D print metals such as titanium, stainless steel,
cobalt chrome and tool steel. This technology has a ways to go but,
eventually I believe that 3D printing, or an offshoot of it, will replace
machining as a manufacturing process.

Did you see the size of the machine that prints with steel powder on
Science Channel's How It's Made? It's about half the size of my house,
costs in 100s of thousands and requires a team of skilled operators to
run. I suppose you can print parts of a gun from metal with it (the fact
that it will be porous notwithstanding) but it will cost you an arm, a
leg, a kidney and a lung. This is definitely *not* what the guys at
Defense Distributed had in mind.

You are absolutely right and technology does not stand still. But 3D
printing is most certainly not an up and coming tech! 30 years ago all of
the tech used in 3D printing today was already invented and machines
(insanely expensive) were already available, too. It took 30 years or so
for it to become somewhat accessible to the general public and will
perhaps take just as long for there to be a way to print with metal at
home. As for 3D printing completely replacing machining - that'll happen
at about the same time we'll park flying cars in our garages.

I admire your belief in progress, I really do. But I just think that by
the time the tech will catch up with the specs needed to print a gun, we
might have different issues to worry about other than guns.

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Why would anyone want a plastic gun that takes hours to make on an
expensive 3D printer, and will only fire 1 shot, when for about $10
worth of hardware from Lowe's or HD they can make a reliable shotgun that,
though time consuming to reload, will last indefinitely?
--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)

Larry W. - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

On Tue, 7 May 2013 22:34:10 +0000 (UTC),
(Larry W) wrote:

Why would anyone want a plastic gun that takes hours to make on an
expensive 3D printer, and will only fire 1 shot, when for about $10
worth of hardware from Lowe's or HD they can make a reliable shotgun that,
though time consuming to reload, will last indefinitely?

To get past the TSA?

"G. Ross" wrote:
Richard wrote:
On 5/6/2013 10:11 PM, wrote:
Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1269926

What controversy?

Whether to outlaw 3D printers and pressure cookers.

LMAO ...

--
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wrote in message ...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 22:34:10 +0000 (UTC),
(Larry W) wrote:

Why would anyone want a plastic gun that takes hours to make on an
expensive 3D printer, and will only fire 1 shot, when for about $10
worth of hardware from Lowe's or HD they can make a reliable shotgun that,
though time consuming to reload, will last indefinitely?

To get past the TSA?

Another non-issue... Armored cockpit doors installed post-9/11 makes
anything but bombs pretty much useless in commandeering airliners. That is
what led to the changes recently that allows for small pocket knives, nail
clippers, etc., to be carried on-board again...

passerby
wrote in
roups.com:

replying to CW , passerby wrote:
cmagers wrote:


I admire your belief in progress, I really do. But I just
think that by the time the tech will catch up with the
specs needed to print a gun, we might have different issues
to worry about other than guns.


Maybe so but a homebuilt CNC is very doable, right now. I have
one in my garage.

Larry

On Tue, 7 May 2013 21:34:34 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 22:34:10 +0000 (UTC),
(Larry W) wrote:

Why would anyone want a plastic gun that takes hours to make on an
expensive 3D printer, and will only fire 1 shot, when for about $10
worth of hardware from Lowe's or HD they can make a reliable shotgun that,
though time consuming to reload, will last indefinitely?

To get past the TSA?

Another non-issue... Armored cockpit doors installed post-9/11 makes
anything but bombs pretty much useless in commandeering airliners.

There are other places were such things would be "useful". Suicide
assins, anyone?

That is
what led to the changes recently that allows for small pocket knives, nail
clippers, etc., to be carried on-board again...

....except they aren't.

wrote in message news
On Tue, 7 May 2013 21:34:34 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"

To get past the TSA?

Another non-issue... Armored cockpit doors installed post-9/11 makes
anything but bombs pretty much useless in commandeering airliners.

There are other places were such things would be "useful". Suicide
assins, anyone?

Seriously? The risk of being struck by lightening is way higher than the
risk of this for all but a small number of people in the world... They have
security details and technology on their side. On the other hand, while at
an academic law conference in Phoenix I heard one participant remark that
the most dangerous place in Washington, DC is between Chuck Schumer and a
television camera. I chuckled at the time but from what I've seen since
then I believe there is a lot of truth to that: It is no surprise that he is
out talking of the fantasy evils of these guns...


That is
what led to the changes recently that allows for small pocket knives, nail
clippers, etc., to be carried on-board again...

...except they aren't.

The regs are changing... http://www.tsa.gov/pil-sharpobjects and
http://www.tsa.gov/pil-sportequip

"Larry" wrote in message ...

I admire your belief in progress, I really do. But I just
think that by the time the tech will catch up with the
specs needed to print a gun, we might have different issues
to worry about other than guns.


Maybe so but a homebuilt CNC is very doable, right now. I have
one in my garage.

If you can teach it by running a stylus over it writing a program wouldn't
be necessary... Lay your 1911 or AR frame on the bench and trace it. That
would be cool!

.... waiting for pics in ABPW ! ;~)

"John Grossbohlin" wrote:

On the other hand, while at an academic law conference in Phoenix I
heard one participant remark that the most dangerous place in
Washington, DC is between Chuck Schumer and a television camera.
-----------------------------------------------------
You sure that wasn't McCain?

Lew

On Tue, 07 May 2013 21:44:01 +0000, passerby
Science Channel's How It's Made? It's about half the size of my house,
costs in 100s of thousands and requires a team of skilled operators to
run. I suppose you can print parts of a gun from metal with it (the fact
that it will be porous notwithstanding) but it will cost you an arm, a
leg, a kidney and a lung.

Interesting that you chose to use a kidney as one of you examples to
purchase such a machine. Not so long ago, (this lifetime in fact), the
first kidney dialysis machines were the size of a room. Now, they're
down to the size of a large bread basket.

And, considering the rush of technology these days, your house sized
machine example above, should be consumer sized and priced in less
than ten years I'd guess.

On Tue, 7 May 2013 22:34:10 +0000 (UTC),
Why would anyone want a plastic gun that takes hours to make on an
expensive 3D printer, and will only fire 1 shot, when for about $10
worth of hardware from Lowe's or HD they can make a reliable shotgun that,
though time consuming to reload, will last indefinitely?

You're completely missing the point. It's technology this is here now
and will be improved up very quickly.

On Tue, 7 May 2013 10:37:07 -0700 (PDT), "
I can't see any criminal putting that much effort into an enterprise
with such a small return. Real guns are just too cheap and easy to
get from underground sources.

Don't put much real thought into stuff like this do you? This isn't
about current criminals using it to make their guns. It's about the
very real chance it could happen in the very near future.

In any event, it was just an article posted for interest. Seems
everytime a gun is mentioned, there's an immediate conflict between
the two opposing camps of haves and have not's to owning a gun.

On Tue, 7 May 2013 23:39:03 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
wrote:

wrote in message news
On Tue, 7 May 2013 21:34:34 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"

To get past the TSA?

Another non-issue... Armored cockpit doors installed post-9/11 makes
anything but bombs pretty much useless in commandeering airliners.

There are other places were such things would be "useful". Suicide
assins, anyone?

Seriously?

I see you're blind to the facts of life.

The risk of being struck by lightening is way higher than the
risk of this for all but a small number of people in the world...

Ah, so I'm not important enough to be "assassinated", there is no one
on the planet who is. Go it.

They have
security details and technology on their side.

Good grief. They're going to be of no help against a lone gunman with
a suicide wish. Perhaps John Hinkley didn't exist in your universe.

On the other hand, while at
an academic law conference in Phoenix I heard one participant remark that
the most dangerous place in Washington, DC is between Chuck Schumer and a
television camera. I chuckled at the time but from what I've seen since
then I believe there is a lot of truth to that: It is no surprise that he is
out talking of the fantasy evils of these guns...


That is
what led to the changes recently that allows for small pocket knives, nail
clippers, etc., to be carried on-board again...

...except they aren't.

The regs are changing... http://www.tsa.gov/pil-sharpobjects and
http://www.tsa.gov/pil-sportequip

They've already said that it's not going to happen. Keep up.

wrote in message ...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 23:39:03 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"

Good grief. They're going to be of no help against a lone gunman with
a suicide wish. Perhaps John Hinkley didn't exist in your universe.

You make my earlier point... a goal oriented attacker will find a means
regardless of any laws.

The regs are changing... http://www.tsa.gov/pil-sharpobjects and
http://www.tsa.gov/pil-sportequip

They've already said that it's not going to happen. Keep up.

They postponed implementing them according to their blog and web site. Not
canceled the changes...

"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
...

Maybe so but a homebuilt CNC is very doable, right now. I have
one in my garage.

If you can teach it by running a stylus over it writing a program wouldn't
be necessary... Lay your 1911 or AR frame on the bench and trace it. That
would be cool!

I think this is a model that may apply here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=q-e9lp7ZJ9w

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message ...

On 5/7/2013 10:29 AM, Richard wrote:
On 5/7/2013 7:11 AM, John Grossbohlin wrote:
wrote in message ...

Just to add some additional fuel to the gun controversy.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?playlistId=1.1269926

This is little more than noise... a goal oriented attacker will find a
means to carry out their deed whether the means are legal or not.



Are you saying that someone who wants to commit a crime will do so even
if it's illegal?

An amazing idea isn't it!

First local failure of NY's new SAFE Act... SURPRISE!

http://www.news10.com/story/22192047...r-nys-safe-act

TROY, N.Y. €” After receiving reports of shots fired around 8:30 Tuesday
night, Troy Police arrested Raysheem Washington more two hours later when
they found a fully loaded .9 mm handgun with a high capacity magazine in his
possession.

Police remained vigilant following the unsolved shots fired call until
patrols narrowed their efforts on a group of three male subjects at
approximately 10:45 p.m. The shots fired call occurred at Jefferson and
Third streets and the suspects had been seen walking in the area just south
of that location when patrols blanketed the premises.

Police said that within minutes of their arrival, a group matching the
description of the suspects implicated in the investigation was reported to
have been walking on Second Street in the area of Madison Street. Shortly
after, police said two of the suspects were safely detained, but the third
suspect ran from the scene.

Officer Charles Rockwell pursued the suspect, who police now identify as
25-year-old Raysheem Washington of Troy. A struggle ensued between the two,
until backup arrived to assist in the arrest. As officers attempted to cuff
Washington, he reached for his right side, where officers discovered and
secured a fully loaded .9 mm handgun with 13 rounds of ammunition.

Officer Rockwell sustained a broken hand from the altercation. He was
treated and released from Samaritan Hospital Tuesday night.

Washington was charged with Criminal Possession of a Weapon 2nd degree,
Criminal Possession of a Weapon 3rd (large capacity ammunition feeding
device), Obstruction of Governmental Administration 2nd, Resisting Arrest,
and Possession of Marijuana. He will be arraigned Wednesday morning in Troy
Police Court.


http://readme.readmedia.com/Recent-e...k-safe/6080391


"Clearly the alleged suspect was not deterred by the Governor's new
prohibition on keeping more than seven rounds in magazine," said NYSRPA
President Tom King. "He also was unfazed by the 100+ year old Sullivan Act
and it's prohibition on unlicensed possession of a handgun. This is another
clear example of how New York's gun laws, old and new, do not make the state
any safer."

On Wed, 8 May 2013 10:19:30 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
wrote:

wrote in message ...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 23:39:03 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"

Good grief. They're going to be of no help against a lone gunman with
a suicide wish. Perhaps John Hinkley didn't exist in your universe.

You make my earlier point... a goal oriented attacker will find a means
regardless of any laws.

Of course, but beside the point. A plastic gun will be of use to
someone, even if it is single-shot.

The regs are changing... http://www.tsa.gov/pil-sharpobjects and
http://www.tsa.gov/pil-sportequip

They've already said that it's not going to happen. Keep up.

They postponed implementing them according to their blog and web site. Not
canceled the changes...

It's government. They've never going to admit that they were wrong.
They should have floated the idea in the industry before burning the
bush. Not their style, though.

On Tue, 7 May 2013 20:52:56 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"John Grossbohlin" wrote:

On the other hand, while at an academic law conference in Phoenix I
heard one participant remark that the most dangerous place in
Washington, DC is between Chuck Schumer and a television camera.
-----------------------------------------------------
You sure that wasn't McCain?


And the most dangerous place in Texas anywhere on the muzzle side of
Cheney.

"Markem" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 7 May 2013 20:52:56 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"John Grossbohlin" wrote:

On the other hand, while at an academic law conference in Phoenix I
heard one participant remark that the most dangerous place in
Washington, DC is between Chuck Schumer and a television camera.
-----------------------------------------------------
You sure that wasn't McCain?


And the most dangerous place in Texas anywhere on the muzzle side of
Cheney.

At least he used an elegant little 28 gauge.... ;~)

"John Grossbohlin"
wrote in :

"John Grossbohlin" wrote in message
...

Maybe so but a homebuilt CNC is very doable, right now. I
have one in my garage.

If you can teach it by running a stylus over it writing a
program wouldn't be necessary... Lay your 1911 or AR frame
on the bench and trace it. That would be cool!

I think this is a model that may apply here!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...bedded&v=q-e9l
p7ZJ9w



That's pretty damn cool! However, there's no danger of mine
doing that any time soon.

Larry

On Wed, 8 May 2013 20:45:50 -0400, "John Grossbohlin"
wrote:

"Markem" wrote in message
.. .

On Tue, 7 May 2013 20:52:56 -0700, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote:


"John Grossbohlin" wrote:

On the other hand, while at an academic law conference in Phoenix I
heard one participant remark that the most dangerous place in
Washington, DC is between Chuck Schumer and a television camera.
-----------------------------------------------------
You sure that wasn't McCain?


And the most dangerous place in Texas anywhere on the muzzle side of
Cheney.

At least he used an elegant little 28 gauge.... ;~)

....and shot a lawyer.

John Grossbohlin wrote:

Another non-issue... Armored cockpit doors installed post-9/11 makes
anything but bombs pretty much useless in commandeering airliners. That is
what led to the changes recently that allows for small pocket
knives, nail clippers, etc., to be carried on-board again...

How about getting past the metal detectors at federal courthouses? The
Capitol? And other similar places.

Fortunately, my state (Texas) allows regular concealed handguns in the
capitol, the governor's office, just about anywhere.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...

John Grossbohlin wrote:

Another non-issue... Armored cockpit doors installed post-9/11 makes
anything but bombs pretty much useless in commandeering airliners. That
is what led to the changes recently that allows for small pocket
knives, nail clippers, etc., to be carried on-board again...

How about getting past the metal detectors at federal courthouses? The
Capitol? And other similar places.

The response was to TSA detection... However, that said, we as a society,
need to forget the notion of stopping ALL violent crime and stopping ALL
terrorism through legislation and law enforcement. It is an impossible state
of affairs for a number of reasons. Firstly, a goal oriented attacker will
find a means to attack whether it's legal or not. In line with this thread,
making 3D printed non-metallic guns illegal will not stop people from making
them... and it will not stop people from substituting other weapons. In
theory if there were armed, skilled police officers assigned to follow
everyone 24/7 crime and terrorism could be eliminated... but to hire that
many police surely criminals would be hired and the taxes would be pretty
unreasonable for all... there is plenty of historical information to support
those statements.

Fortunately, my state (Texas) allows regular concealed handguns in the
capitol, the governor's office, just about anywhere.

How odd... a government that trusts it's people! Then again, the "unpaid"
police force that it creates further raises the opportunity costs to
criminals and thus supplements the paid police with no increase in taxes. A
win/win for society.

John Grossbohlin wrote:

Fortunately, my state (Texas) allows regular concealed handguns in
the capitol, the governor's office, just about anywhere.

How odd... a government that trusts it's people! Then again, the
"unpaid" police force that it creates further raises the opportunity
costs to criminals and thus supplements the paid police with no
increase in taxes. A win/win for society.

Heh! Imagine a MSM journalist with a Concealed Handgun License (CHL)! That's
exactly what happened in Texas - they must really be conflicted.

Here's what happened: A couple of years ago, some dufus exited our state
capitol, pulled out his pistol and popped a few rounds into the air. This
freaked out some, so a policy was put in place to require passing through a
metal detector for visitors to the building.

This rule, however, conflicted with state law on, as you said, trusting
those with a CHL.

So, a separate queue was set up for CHL holders - "Speak Friend, and Enter"
(flash your license and boogie). So, if you're a reporter, and want to avoid
the sometimes lengthy metal-detector line, you get the license.

One wonders how the media types sleep at night...

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...

John Grossbohlin wrote:

Fortunately, my state (Texas) allows regular concealed handguns in
the capitol, the governor's office, just about anywhere.

How odd... a government that trusts it's people! Then again, the
"unpaid" police force that it creates further raises the opportunity
costs to criminals and thus supplements the paid police with no
increase in taxes. A win/win for society.

Heh! Imagine a MSM journalist with a Concealed Handgun License (CHL)!
That's exactly what happened in Texas - they must really be conflicted.
....
One wonders how the media types sleep at night...

I'm no fan of the bias exhibited by the press. However, like with painting
all gun owners with the same brush there is risk with painting all
journalists with the same brush... Personally I know a guy who spent his
career in the newspaper industry as a reporter, editor and managing editor.
He also taught journalism at a SUNY school which is where I first
encountered him. He was also the student advisor for the Legislative
Gazette, a publication held in high regard by all parties. While there he
mentored hundreds of journalism students. http://www.legislativegazette.com/
Later I encountered him at a gun show... turns out he was a gun dealer too!
The last time I saw him was in a State Senator's office in Albany, NY where
we were both there to discuss some pending legislation that was not
justified by anything but emotions and lots of irrationality. The recent
SAFE Act includes pretty much all of it... the story of which needs no
repeating here.

Maybe the MSM journalist is a closet gun owner? ;~)