Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

Did you notice he wet his finger first to make conduction? Also why did it
not work on the meat section? Won't work on dry skin????? just wondering.
WW

"Leon" wrote in message
...

Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

Leon wrote:
Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

Yeah... that's been around for a few years. What were we supposed to see?
I didn't notice anything that I thought I should have seen before but may
have missed. Maybe I missed it again?

--

-Mike-

WW wrote:
Did you notice he wet his finger first to make conduction?

Yeah - but if it were me, I'd want to ensure I had everything in my favor
for a demo too.


Also why
did it not work on the meat section? Won't work on dry skin????? just
wondering. WW

What makes you think that was a SawStop in that shot? It is more likely
that it was a traditional table saw.

--

-Mike-

"Mike Marlow" wrote in message
...

WW wrote:
Did you notice he wet his finger first to make conduction?

Yeah - but if it were me, I'd want to ensure I had everything in my favor
for a demo too.


Also why
did it not work on the meat section? Won't work on dry skin????? just
wondering. WW

What makes you think that was a SawStop in that shot? It is more likely
that it was a traditional table saw.

-- Never thought of that. WW

-Mike-

If one's finger's surface has to be the slightest degree of wet, for sawstop to work, then someone will eventually get cut. When that happens, then there will be a handsome suit filed! ... and Sawstops' claim (and likely "monopoly") will likely plummet. I'll bet an illegal alien will get cut first, aka, file suit first!

Sonny

wrote in
:

If one's finger's surface has to be the slightest degree of wet, for
sawstop to work, then someone will eventually get cut. When that
happens, then there will be a handsome suit filed! ... and Sawstops'
claim (and likely "monopoly") will likely plummet. I'll bet an
illegal alien will get cut first, aka, file suit first!

Sonny

In addition, how fast was he moving his finger into the blade? Or the
frank? I still consider this technology worthwhile for my next saw, but
I'd like to know how much damage to the frank if it moves at the speed I
would use for 1/2" pine.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 10/3/12 4:01 PM, Han wrote:
wrote in
:

If one's finger's surface has to be the slightest degree of wet, for
sawstop to work, then someone will eventually get cut. When that
happens, then there will be a handsome suit filed! ... and Sawstops'
claim (and likely "monopoly") will likely plummet. I'll bet an
illegal alien will get cut first, aka, file suit first!

Sonny

In addition, how fast was he moving his finger into the blade? Or the
frank? I still consider this technology worthwhile for my next saw, but
I'd like to know how much damage to the frank if it moves at the speed I
would use for 1/2" pine.


There's a video out there that shows that very thing. I don't care
enough to look it up, though. :-)
When I saw that original show on Discovery Channel, I contacted SawStop
and asked if they had a video showing a hot dog moving into the blade at
the speed of a hand slipping into the blade. They directed me to
something, somewhere that showed it at that speed, and it definitely
nicked the skin and drew some blood.

Consider the alternative.


Wow, we keep reviving this horse, killing it again, and beating it some
more. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

-MIKE- wrote in news:k4ia9a$ac3$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

Wow, we keep reviving this horse, killing it again, and beating it some
more. :-)

Not a horse, a hot dog.
LOL

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 10/3/2012 1:15 PM, WW wrote:
Did you notice he wet his finger first to make conduction? Also why did
it not work on the meat section? Won't work on dry skin????? just
wondering. WW

"Leon" wrote in message
...

Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1


It did not work on the steak because they turned the protection off.

On 10/3/2012 3:05 PM, wrote:
If one's finger's surface has to be the slightest degree of wet, for sawstop to work, then someone will eventually get cut. When that happens, then there will be a handsome suit filed! ... and Sawstops' claim (and likely "monopoly") will likely plummet. I'll bet an illegal alien will get cut first, aka, file suit first!

Sonny



Ones finger does not have to be wet. There is a chance you will get a
scratch as witnessed by the hot dog and the hundreds of times it has
saved an operator from a bad accident. The SawStop has been around long
enough that you would have heard of a problem by now if there had been one.

On 10/3/2012 4:21 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
On 10/3/12 4:01 PM, Han wrote:
wrote in
:

If one's finger's surface has to be the slightest degree of wet, for
sawstop to work, then someone will eventually get cut. When that
happens, then there will be a handsome suit filed! ... and Sawstops'
claim (and likely "monopoly") will likely plummet. I'll bet an
illegal alien will get cut first, aka, file suit first!

Sonny

In addition, how fast was he moving his finger into the blade? Or the
frank? I still consider this technology worthwhile for my next saw, but
I'd like to know how much damage to the frank if it moves at the speed I
would use for 1/2" pine.


There's a video out there that shows that very thing. I don't care
enough to look it up, though. :-)
When I saw that original show on Discovery Channel, I contacted SawStop
and asked if they had a video showing a hot dog moving into the blade at
the speed of a hand slipping into the blade. They directed me to
something, somewhere that showed it at that speed, and it definitely
nicked the skin and drew some blood.

Consider the alternative.


Wow, we keep reviving this horse, killing it again, and beating it some
more. :-)



No ****.. LOL I recall some one and or several people wanting to see
Steve Gass use his actual finger to prove that the thing worked.
Apparently for some people seeing is not believing.

In article ,
wrote:
If one's finger's surface has to be the slightest degree of wet, for
sawstop to work, then someone will eventually get cut. When that
happens, then there will be a handsome suit filed! ... and Sawstops'
claim (and likely "monopoly") will likely plummet. I'll bet an illegal
alien will get cut first, aka, file suit first!

Sonny

I'm not a fan of the Sawstop, but even if the blade did cut someone's finger,
I believe the saw would then quickly shut down. It could make the difference
between a bad cut and losing a finger.


--
There are no stupid questions, but there are lots of stupid answers.

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:42:33 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

I want to see the greedy mo fo jam his hand into the blade as proof of
safety. If you slipped on sawdust and your hand hit the table to stop
your face from going into the blade, it would be moving a wee bit
faster than he micrometered his pinky into that blade. Feh!

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On 03 Oct 2012 21:01:50 GMT, Han wrote:

wrote in
:

If one's finger's surface has to be the slightest degree of wet, for
sawstop to work, then someone will eventually get cut. When that
happens, then there will be a handsome suit filed! ... and Sawstops'
claim (and likely "monopoly") will likely plummet. I'll bet an
illegal alien will get cut first, aka, file suit first!

Sonny

In addition, how fast was he moving his finger into the blade? Or the
frank? I still consider this technology worthwhile for my next saw, but
I'd like to know how much damage to the frank if it moves at the speed I
would use for 1/2" pine.

How about dropping a weenie onto the blade?

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On 10/3/2012 6:22 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:42:33 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

I want to see the greedy mo fo jam his hand into the blade as proof of
safety. If you slipped on sawdust and your hand hit the table to stop
your face from going into the blade, it would be moving a wee bit
faster than he micrometered his pinky into that blade. Feh!

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson



Kind of a sadistic ******* are you.

Larry Jaques wrote in
:

How about dropping a weenie onto the blade?

What's the difference between a weenie and a hot dog?

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

A local wood working supply store had a demo of this a couple of weeks
ago. I wan't interested enough to drive across town to wee it.

But the lady who invited me said the were going to "break some blades".

Stopping a blade revolving at 3600 RPM - in less that 1 tooth probably
does break some blades.

And throw saw teeth all over the place...

I'm all for safety. But this is a bit over the top.

On 10/3/12 8:23 PM, Richard wrote:
A local wood working supply store had a demo of this a couple of weeks
ago. I wan't interested enough to drive across town to wee it.

But the lady who invited me said the were going to "break some blades".

Stopping a blade revolving at 3600 RPM - in less that 1 tooth probably
does break some blades.

And throw saw teeth all over the place...

I'm all for safety. But this is a bit over the top.


Did you even see how it works? The aluminum block surrounds the teeth as
it stops them. If a tooth broke from this, the aluminum block would be
the catcher's mitt.

However, if you're thinking the simple deceleration of the blade is
enough to somehow throw teeth off the blade, you need some physics
lessons. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Larry Jaques wrote in
:


How about dropping a weenie onto the blade?


I'm not sure that would work. The weenie or hot dog would generate nothing
for the saw to sense and thus the saw wouldn't activate.

However, something like the sword swinging rig on Mythbusters with a hot
dog at the end and transmitting the appropriate input would be interesting.
How fast can the rig swing the hot dog before the saw either does
appreciable damage or fails to activate?

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

On 04 Oct 2012 00:50:52 GMT, Han wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote in
:

How about dropping a weenie onto the blade?

What's the difference between a weenie and a hot dog?

We'd better not get into that here. g


Interchangeable names: hot dog, frank, weenie. OK?

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On 04 Oct 2012 02:22:05 GMT, Puckdropper
puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com wrote:

Larry Jaques wrote in
:


How about dropping a weenie onto the blade?


I'm not sure that would work. The weenie or hot dog would generate nothing
for the saw to sense and thus the saw wouldn't activate.

Weenie-on-a-wire, then. Electrical contact made?

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson

On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:02:16 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/3/2012 6:22 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:42:33 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

I want to see the greedy mo fo jam his hand into the blade as proof of
safety. If you slipped on sawdust and your hand hit the table to stop
your face from going into the blade, it would be moving a wee bit
faster than he micrometered his pinky into that blade. Feh!


Kind of a sadistic ******* are you.

What's sadistic about a plain old real-world test, Leon?

--
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson

-MIKE- wrote:
On 10/3/12 8:23 PM, Richard wrote:
A local wood working supply store had a demo of this a couple of weeks
ago. I wan't interested enough to drive across town to wee it.

But the lady who invited me said the were going to "break some blades".

Stopping a blade revolving at 3600 RPM - in less that 1 tooth probably
does break some blades.

And throw saw teeth all over the place...

I'm all for safety. But this is a bit over the top.


Did you even see how it works? The aluminum block surrounds the teeth as
it stops them. If a tooth broke from this, the aluminum block would be
the catcher's mitt.

However, if you're thinking the simple deceleration of the blade is
enough to somehow throw teeth off the blade, you need some physics
lessons. :-)




What happens with wet wood ?

On 10/3/2012 7:50 PM, Han wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote in
:

How about dropping a weenie onto the blade?

What's the difference between a weenie and a hot dog?



Weenie is what Larry's mother called it, he still uses it.

Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

On 10/3/2012 7:50 PM, Han wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote in
:

How about dropping a weenie onto the blade?

What's the difference between a weenie and a hot dog?



Weenie is what Larry's mother called it, he still uses it.

Come-on Leon, that's cruel.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 10/3/2012 8:23 PM, Richard wrote:
A local wood working supply store had a demo of this a couple of weeks
ago. I wan't interested enough to drive across town to wee it.

But the lady who invited me said the were going to "break some blades".

Stopping a blade revolving at 3600 RPM - in less that 1 tooth probably
does break some blades.

And throw saw teeth all over the place...

I'm all for safety. But this is a bit over the top.


You do realize that this has probably been done thousands of times with
out incident? It all goes on under the cast iron table top.

On Oct 3, 12:42*pm, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

As I'm reading this the header below this one is "Could you whack off
an inch?"

On 04 Oct 2012 00:50:52 GMT, Han wrote:
What's the difference between a weenie and a hot dog?

Certainly less than six inches...

On 10/3/2012 9:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:02:16 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/3/2012 6:22 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:42:33 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

I want to see the greedy mo fo jam his hand into the blade as proof of
safety. If you slipped on sawdust and your hand hit the table to stop
your face from going into the blade, it would be moving a wee bit
faster than he micrometered his pinky into that blade. Feh!


Kind of a sadistic ******* are you.

What's sadistic about a plain old real-world test, Leon?

I want to see the greedy mo fo jam his hand into the blade as proof of
safety.

You play stupid splendidly.

On 10/3/2012 10:00 PM, Han wrote:
Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote in
:

On 10/3/2012 7:50 PM, Han wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote in
:

How about dropping a weenie onto the blade?

What's the difference between a weenie and a hot dog?



Weenie is what Larry's mother called it, he still uses it.

Come-on Leon, that's cruel.


;~) He is just so easy at times.

In article , Han
wrote:

-MIKE- wrote in news:k4ia9a$ac3$1
@speranza.aioe.org:

Wow, we keep reviving this horse, killing it again, and beating it some
more. :-)

Not a horse, a hot dog.
LOL

Hotdogs... The particle board of meat.

--
I used to like fishing because I thought it had some larger significance. Now I
like fishing because it¹s the one thing I can think of that probably doesn¹t. *
John Gierach

Dave Balderstone wrote:


Hotdogs... The particle board of meat.

That is perfect! I'm gonna steal that one!

--

-Mike-

On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 21:58:49 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/3/2012 7:50 PM, Han wrote:
Larry Jaques wrote in
:

How about dropping a weenie onto the blade?

What's the difference between a weenie and a hot dog?

Weenie is what Larry's mother called it, he still uses it.

Yup. And I'll use it to my dying day, I will.

--
Doctors prescribe medicine of which they know little,
to cure diseases of which they know less,
in human beings of which they know nothing.
--Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire, about 250 years ago

On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:03:21 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/3/2012 9:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:02:16 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/3/2012 6:22 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:42:33 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

I want to see the greedy mo fo jam his hand into the blade as proof of
safety. If you slipped on sawdust and your hand hit the table to stop
your face from going into the blade, it would be moving a wee bit
faster than he micrometered his pinky into that blade. Feh!


Kind of a sadistic ******* are you.

What's sadistic about a plain old real-world test, Leon?

I want to see the greedy mo fo jam his hand into the blade as proof of
safety.

You play stupid splendidly.

Au contraire, mon ami. If it's so safe, as he repeatedly says it is,
it won't harm him in the slightest. Would YOU jam your hand into the
spinning blade of a SawStop? I'm requesting real-world testing, not
this inch-a-pinky crap. NOBODY working on a saw moves that slowly.

--
Doctors prescribe medicine of which they know little,
to cure diseases of which they know less,
in human beings of which they know nothing.
--Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire, about 250 years ago

On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 20:01:25 -0700 (PDT), Amy Guarino
wrote:

On Oct 3, 12:42*pm, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

As I'm reading this the header below this one is "Could you whack off
an inch?"

Leon does. (See, Han? I can be cruel, too.)

P.S: Greg, Amy's gonna get you for using her account for that post.

--
Doctors prescribe medicine of which they know little,
to cure diseases of which they know less,
in human beings of which they know nothing.
--Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire, about 250 years ago

On 10/4/2012 6:41 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:03:21 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/3/2012 9:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:02:16 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/3/2012 6:22 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:42:33 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

I want to see the greedy mo fo jam his hand into the blade as proof of
safety. If you slipped on sawdust and your hand hit the table to stop
your face from going into the blade, it would be moving a wee bit
faster than he micrometered his pinky into that blade. Feh!


Kind of a sadistic ******* are you.

What's sadistic about a plain old real-world test, Leon?

I want to see the greedy mo fo jam his hand into the blade as proof of
safety.

You play stupid splendidly.

Au contraire, mon ami. If it's so safe, as he repeatedly says it is,
it won't harm him in the slightest. Would YOU jam your hand into the
spinning blade of a SawStop? I'm requesting real-world testing, not
this inch-a-pinky crap. NOBODY working on a saw moves that slowly.

I think only you would expect the SawStop to protect youself from
yourself. It FYI the SawStop would also not protect you from slamming
your head against the table top to see if it would raise a knot.

On 10/4/2012 7:44 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 20:01:25 -0700 (PDT), Amy Guarino
wrote:

On Oct 3, 12:42 pm, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet wrote:
Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

As I'm reading this the header below this one is "Could you whack off
an inch?"

Leon does. (See, Han? I can be cruel, too.)

P.S: Greg, Amy's gonna get you for using her account for that post.

Nah. No one under 50 knows what Usenet is. The average "mental age" is
of course a good deal lower.

On Thu, 04 Oct 2012 08:24:40 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/4/2012 6:41 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:03:21 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/3/2012 9:46 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:02:16 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

On 10/3/2012 6:22 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2012 11:42:33 -0500, Leon lcb11211@swbelldotnet
wrote:

Watch the whole video?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=E3mzhvMgrLE&NR=1

I want to see the greedy mo fo jam his hand into the blade as proof of
safety. If you slipped on sawdust and your hand hit the table to stop
your face from going into the blade, it would be moving a wee bit
faster than he micrometered his pinky into that blade. Feh!


Kind of a sadistic ******* are you.

What's sadistic about a plain old real-world test, Leon?

I want to see the greedy mo fo jam his hand into the blade as proof of
safety.

You play stupid splendidly.

Au contraire, mon ami. If it's so safe, as he repeatedly says it is,
it won't harm him in the slightest. Would YOU jam your hand into the
spinning blade of a SawStop? I'm requesting real-world testing, not
this inch-a-pinky crap. NOBODY working on a saw moves that slowly.

I think only you would expect the SawStop to protect youself from
yourself. It FYI the SawStop would also not protect you from slamming
your head against the table top to see if it would raise a knot.

For you to continually deflect questions and come back with totally
off-the-wall scenarios is reason to suspect you of being a secret
liberal. You really want our government to take over and force all of
us to buy SawStops, don't you? sigh

--
Doctors prescribe medicine of which they know little,
to cure diseases of which they know less,
in human beings of which they know nothing.
--Francois-Marie Arouet Voltaire, about 250 years ago