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Finish for red oak on stair treads
I'm fixin' to sculpture some stair treads from some rough cut red oak i
practically stole from an Amish auction ( 85 cents per BF). What i need to know is what finish i can use that meets the following criteria: 1. not water based poly 2. natural (as clear as oil based can do) 3. not too slick to sock feet Things that don't matter: 1. odor while applying 2. cost 3. time takes to finish properly thanks in advance! , -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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So I am particular to shellac.
I would do blonde or super blonde dewaxed shellac since you want it as clear as possible. That will still help pop the grain. As far as not too slick. That can be mitigated with sanding after, with any finish. Other advantages, in one day you can get 4 coats done. Fast drying so less dust nubs. Low odor. On 2/18/2012 4:42 PM, Steve Barker wrote: I'm fixin' to sculpture some stair treads from some rough cut red oak i practically stole from an Amish auction ( 85 cents per BF). What i need to know is what finish i can use that meets the following criteria: 1. not water based poly 2. natural (as clear as oil based can do) 3. not too slick to sock feet Things that don't matter: 1. odor while applying 2. cost 3. time takes to finish properly thanks in advance! , |
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On 2/18/2012 4:07 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
So I am particular to shellac. I would do blonde or super blonde dewaxed shellac since you want it as clear as possible. That will still help pop the grain. As far as not too slick. That can be mitigated with sanding after, with any finish. Other advantages, in one day you can get 4 coats done. Fast drying so less dust nubs. Low odor. thanks for the reply. I've never even touched a speck of shellac, but i must admit after reading all the stuff on this group, my curiosity is sparked. |
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On Feb 18, 9:14*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/18/2012 4:07 PM, tiredofspam wrote: So I am particular to shellac. I would do blonde or super blonde dewaxed shellac since you want it as clear as possible. That will still help pop the grain. As far as not too slick. That can be mitigated with sanding after, with any finish. Other advantages, in one day you can get 4 coats done. Fast drying so less dust nubs. Low odor. thanks for the reply. *I've never even touched a speck of shellac, but i must admit after reading all the stuff on this group, my curiosity is sparked. Shellac is soft and mars easily. Not suitable for stairs IMHO. I would use 1 coat BLO to pop the grain, one coat zinsser "seal coat " shellac for sanding seal and 3-4 coats water poly after. The BLO and shellac will make the oak beautiful and then the water poly won't give the lifeless look it would without the 2 steps before it. I do it all the time with kitchens and such and the look is fabulous. Amish red oak sounds like it is ~not~ kiln dried. I would be sure it is KD for stair treads. RP |
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On 2/18/2012 3:42 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
I'm fixin' to sculpture some stair treads from some rough cut red oak i practically stole from an Amish auction ( 85 cents per BF). What i need to know is what finish i can use that meets the following criteria: 1. not water based poly 2. natural (as clear as oil based can do) 3. not too slick to sock feet Things that don't matter: 1. odor while applying 2. cost 3. time takes to finish properly thanks in advance! , You need a tough finish, shellac as mentioned would probably be a less than desirable finish. A lot of what you want is not going to be easily achieved. You need a hard finish and a hard finish tends to be slippery. To make a surface less slick you can mix in sand. but test with and with out for desired results. The clearest finish will be water based. If you absolutely must have an oil based varnish consider General Finishes Arm R Seal http://www.generalfinishes.com/retai...base-top-coats Simply put, you need to be careful on stairs. Solid wood stairs and socked feet are going to add an element of risk. |
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On 2/18/2012 3:42 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
I'm fixin' to sculpture some stair treads from some rough cut red oak i practically stole from an Amish auction ( 85 cents per BF). What i need to know is what finish i can use that meets the following criteria: 1. not water based poly 2. natural (as clear as oil based can do) 3. not too slick to sock feet What all sane floor finishers use ... polyurethane. Follow the instructions on the can. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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Before poly, shellac was a common wood floor finish.
It was durable enough, dried quickly. Shellac's downside is alcohol resistance. As far as fixing spots, shellac beats them all. Why? Because it repairs easily remelting the previous layers for repairs. Lacquer does this too, but it requires more prep, and smells. But yes, Poly is more durable. But can't be repaired. Poly won't stick to long cured poly. On 2/19/2012 9:46 AM, Leon wrote: On 2/18/2012 3:42 PM, Steve Barker wrote: I'm fixin' to sculpture some stair treads from some rough cut red oak i practically stole from an Amish auction ( 85 cents per BF). What i need to know is what finish i can use that meets the following criteria: 1. not water based poly 2. natural (as clear as oil based can do) 3. not too slick to sock feet Things that don't matter: 1. odor while applying 2. cost 3. time takes to finish properly thanks in advance! , You need a tough finish, shellac as mentioned would probably be a less than desirable finish. A lot of what you want is not going to be easily achieved. You need a hard finish and a hard finish tends to be slippery. To make a surface less slick you can mix in sand. but test with and with out for desired results. The clearest finish will be water based. If you absolutely must have an oil based varnish consider General Finishes Arm R Seal http://www.generalfinishes.com/retai...base-top-coats Simply put, you need to be careful on stairs. Solid wood stairs and socked feet are going to add an element of risk. |
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Wow, shellac soft?
I don't think so. It is very hard once fully cured. On 2/19/2012 8:15 AM, RP wrote: On Feb 18, 9:14 pm, Steve wrote: On 2/18/2012 4:07 PM, tiredofspam wrote: So I am particular to shellac. I would do blonde or super blonde dewaxed shellac since you want it as clear as possible. That will still help pop the grain. As far as not too slick. That can be mitigated with sanding after, with any finish. Other advantages, in one day you can get 4 coats done. Fast drying so less dust nubs. Low odor. thanks for the reply. I've never even touched a speck of shellac, but i must admit after reading all the stuff on this group, my curiosity is sparked. Shellac is soft and mars easily. Not suitable for stairs IMHO. I would use 1 coat BLO to pop the grain, one coat zinsser "seal coat " shellac for sanding seal and 3-4 coats water poly after. The BLO and shellac will make the oak beautiful and then the water poly won't give the lifeless look it would without the 2 steps before it. I do it all the time with kitchens and such and the look is fabulous. Amish red oak sounds like it is ~not~ kiln dried. I would be sure it is KD for stair treads. RP |
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What all finishers used to use before POLY? Shellac.
On 2/19/2012 10:31 AM, Swingman wrote: On 2/18/2012 3:42 PM, Steve Barker wrote: I'm fixin' to sculpture some stair treads from some rough cut red oak i practically stole from an Amish auction ( 85 cents per BF). What i need to know is what finish i can use that meets the following criteria: 1. not water based poly 2. natural (as clear as oil based can do) 3. not too slick to sock feet What all sane floor finishers use ... polyurethane. Follow the instructions on the can. |
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On 2/19/2012 9:54 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
What all finishers used to use before POLY? Shellac. Not necessarily ... plain old wax was a finish of choice for floor finishing at one time. FWIW, at this point you have well established that you are a proponent of shellac for hardwood floors ... no need to reply to every post that says otherwise ... you can quit now. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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On 2/19/2012 9:52 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
Before poly, shellac was a common wood floor finish. It was durable enough, dried quickly. Shellac's downside is alcohol resistance. .... For flooring it's even bigger disadvantage is water resistance, so particularly if this is in an entry area that's a consideration. It is, as noted here and elsewhere, the traditional/historic floor finish but there are reasons it was surpassed by the poly's and other floor varnishes and that prime reason is wear. The key item in choosing here imo would be how much traffic the area will get and what kind...up and down once in the morning and then again when go upstairs at night; not such a maintenance issue. Three kids, two dogs and running up and down constantly; think again... -- |
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On 2/19/2012 10:15 AM, Swingman wrote:
On 2/19/2012 9:54 AM, tiredofspam wrote: What all finishers used to use before POLY? Shellac. Not necessarily ... plain old wax was a finish of choice for floor finishing at one time. FWIW, at this point you have well established that you are a proponent of shellac for hardwood floors ... no need to reply to every post that says otherwise ... you can quit now. I seem to recall regular ol' alkyd resin varnish being around for quite a few years before poly hit the scene. Pretty much the same stuff as today's "Rock Hard Tabletop Varnish", if I'm not mistaken. -- Any given amount of traffic flow, no matter how sparse, will expand to fill all available lanes. To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com writes:
Wow, shellac soft? I don't think so. It is very hard once fully cured. It is considered a soft finish when compared to hard film finishes such as polyurethane or spar varnish. Shellac is not commonly recommended for high traffic areas for that reason. Shellac also doesn't tolerate alcohol spills well (but it does repair easily). I'd use a good poly for stairs, or a blo-spar-turps blend. scott |
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On Feb 19, 10:53*am, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
Wow, shellac soft? I don't think so. It is very hard once fully cured. Still fairly soft even when fully cured compared to poly. Mars real easy. Period. No need to reply. We got ~your~ message. RP |
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tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com writes:
On 2/19/2012 10:31 AM, Swingman wrote: On 2/18/2012 3:42 PM, Steve Barker wrote: I'm fixin' to sculpture some stair treads from some rough cut red oak i practically stole from an Amish auction ( 85 cents per BF). What i need to know is what finish i can use that meets the following criteria: 1. not water based poly 2. natural (as clear as oil based can do) 3. not too slick to sock feet What all sane floor finishers use ... polyurethane. Follow the instructions on the can. What all finishers used to use before POLY? Shellac. So why did they switch to POLY? Because shellac is inferior for that application. scott |
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"Swingman" wrote in message ... On 2/19/2012 9:54 AM, tiredofspam wrote: What all finishers used to use before POLY? Shellac. Not necessarily ... plain old wax was a finish of choice for floor finishing at one time. And before that... nothing! Bare wood was typical in the 18th century and much of the 19th here in America. BLO was was pretty common too. John |
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On 2/19/2012 7:15 AM, RP wrote:
On Feb 18, 9:14 pm, Steve wrote: On 2/18/2012 4:07 PM, tiredofspam wrote: So I am particular to shellac. I would do blonde or super blonde dewaxed shellac since you want it as clear as possible. That will still help pop the grain. As far as not too slick. That can be mitigated with sanding after, with any finish. Other advantages, in one day you can get 4 coats done. Fast drying so less dust nubs. Low odor. thanks for the reply. I've never even touched a speck of shellac, but i must admit after reading all the stuff on this group, my curiosity is sparked. Shellac is soft and mars easily. Not suitable for stairs IMHO. I would use 1 coat BLO to pop the grain, one coat zinsser "seal coat " shellac for sanding seal and 3-4 coats water poly after. The BLO and shellac will make the oak beautiful and then the water poly won't give the lifeless look it would without the 2 steps before it. I do it all the time with kitchens and such and the look is fabulous. Amish red oak sounds like it is ~not~ kiln dried. I would be sure it is KD for stair treads. RP no, not dried. But it's been sawn now for about 2+ years. In a garage, up off the floor. Thanks for the suggestions. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On 2/19/2012 10:29 AM, dpb wrote:
On 2/19/2012 9:52 AM, tiredofspam wrote: Before poly, shellac was a common wood floor finish. It was durable enough, dried quickly. Shellac's downside is alcohol resistance. ... For flooring it's even bigger disadvantage is water resistance, so particularly if this is in an entry area that's a consideration. It is, as noted here and elsewhere, the traditional/historic floor finish but there are reasons it was surpassed by the poly's and other floor varnishes and that prime reason is wear. The key item in choosing here imo would be how much traffic the area will get and what kind...up and down once in the morning and then again when go upstairs at night; not such a maintenance issue. Three kids, two dogs and running up and down constantly; think again... -- two (almost) senior adults. Twice a day travel. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On 2/19/2012 11:22 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com writes: Wow, shellac soft? I don't think so. It is very hard once fully cured. It is considered a soft finish when compared to hard film finishes such as polyurethane or spar varnish. Shellac is not commonly recommended for high traffic areas for that reason. Shellac also doesn't tolerate alcohol spills well (but it does repair easily). I'd use a good poly for stairs, or a blo-spar-turps blend. scott well we don't make a habit of carrying open containers of alcohol up and down the stairs...... -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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Ok, Shellac can water spot, leave an ice cold glass on the floor
overnight and you probably will have a water spot. As far as mopping, no problem. Years ago someone did a scientific study on the supposed advantage of poly over shellac... Well poly just nudged shellac, it really was such a small margin on durability. Water testing showed poly was marginally better. Which surprised everyone. All the hype. Shellac is a great finish. But to those that believe poly rules... have at it. My wife kept watering a plant on the poly floor. Major damage. No difference between poly and shellac there. My dog has destroyed our poly floor. My shellac floor was easily repaired. The poly floor needs to be sanded all the way down, and refinished. I'll continue to use shellac... beauty, ease of application, ease of maintenance, and nice to know that it is used on pills, so it is safe to your system. It is very hard, and therefore polishes beautifuly, buffs up to a high polished finish, easily sands to a luster. Try that with poly. On 2/19/2012 11:29 AM, dpb wrote: On 2/19/2012 9:52 AM, tiredofspam wrote: Before poly, shellac was a common wood floor finish. It was durable enough, dried quickly. Shellac's downside is alcohol resistance. ... For flooring it's even bigger disadvantage is water resistance, so particularly if this is in an entry area that's a consideration. It is, as noted here and elsewhere, the traditional/historic floor finish but there are reasons it was surpassed by the poly's and other floor varnishes and that prime reason is wear. The key item in choosing here imo would be how much traffic the area will get and what kind...up and down once in the morning and then again when go upstairs at night; not such a maintenance issue. Three kids, two dogs and running up and down constantly; think again... -- |
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Spar finish is soft.. That's it's purpose, it's supposed to be flexible.
Shellac is harder than spar. On 2/19/2012 12:22 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com writes: Wow, shellac soft? I don't think so. It is very hard once fully cured. It is considered a soft finish when compared to hard film finishes such as polyurethane or spar varnish. Shellac is not commonly recommended for high traffic areas for that reason. Shellac also doesn't tolerate alcohol spills well (but it does repair easily). I'd use a good poly for stairs, or a blo-spar-turps blend. scott |
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On 2/19/2012 1:03 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
Ok, Shellac can water spot, leave an ice cold glass on the floor overnight and you probably will have a water spot. .... Leave a wet shoe or a puddle from a snow melt off the kids' overshoes and you _will_ have a white spot. Fixed can be, yes...more likely to need fixing--also, yes. -- |
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Just trying to beat the thing to death. Many misconceptions about shellac.
On 2/19/2012 11:15 AM, Swingman wrote: On 2/19/2012 9:54 AM, tiredofspam wrote: What all finishers used to use before POLY? Shellac. Not necessarily ... plain old wax was a finish of choice for floor finishing at one time. FWIW, at this point you have well established that you are a proponent of shellac for hardwood floors ... no need to reply to every post that says otherwise ... you can quit now. |
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On 2/19/2012 1:03 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
Years ago someone did a scientific study on the supposed advantage of poly over shellac... Well poly just nudged shellac, it really was such a small margin on durability. Water testing showed poly was marginally better. Which surprised everyone. All the hype. Shellac is a great finish. But to those that believe poly rules... have at it. What's the difference in cost? -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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Maybe, or rather than buy lac from India, they can manufacture it right
here. Yes it is marginally stronger, but given all the downsides.. it is marginal... Have you tried Shellac on a floor? On 2/19/2012 12:24 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com writes: On 2/19/2012 10:31 AM, Swingman wrote: On 2/18/2012 3:42 PM, Steve Barker wrote: I'm fixin' to sculpture some stair treads from some rough cut red oak i practically stole from an Amish auction ( 85 cents per BF). What i need to know is what finish i can use that meets the following criteria: 1. not water based poly 2. natural (as clear as oil based can do) 3. not too slick to sock feet What all sane floor finishers use ... polyurethane. Follow the instructions on the can. What all finishers used to use before POLY? Shellac. So why did they switch to POLY? Because shellac is inferior for that application. scott |
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On 2/19/2012 1:07 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
Just trying to beat the thing to death. Many misconceptions about shellac. So far I haven't find a flooring contractor who will warrant a shellac floor finish like they will their recommended finish product, which for many years now has always been a polyurethane. That said, you're preaching at the choir in most respects ... my finish of choice, for just about everything I build in the shop, excluding kitchen cabinets (and floors), is indeed shellac. -- www.eWoodShop.com Last update: 4/15/2010 KarlCaillouet@ (the obvious) http://gplus.to/eWoodShop |
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Probably about the same, it was 12 years ago.
I did 3 rooms in poly, and 3 in shellac. the 3 in poly were dining, living and family room. I have a ranch. My 3 bedrooms and HALLWAY were going to be a problem for poly. I needed to get to the bathrooms. And poly's one day to dry per coat was not going to allow us to live there. Shellac would allow me to finish the job in one day, and be able to walk to the bathroom an hour after application in socks. The HALLWAY takes the most abuse... and has exceeded expectations. It has exceeded the poly too. Which would I do next time in the family , dining and living room? Shellac. No questions about it. Even if longevity winds up being 1 year less. I have 12 years on both now. The ease of finish is about the same. You need to work a little faster with Shellac to keep a wet edge. For both I used lambs wool applicator... Poly keep the lambs wool in a saran wrap... Same for shellac, or keep it in shellac... or clean with alcohol... For poly apply wait a day, sand nubs, vacuum, apply, wait a day. sand, vacuum, apply.. 4 days for 3 coats. For shellac, apply, light sanding in 3 hours, vacuum, apply, apply, apply, wait until fully cured, and either sand or use a green scotchbrite. Can't use scotchbrite with poly. its too hard (I guess that goes to the hardness issue). The first sanding is necessary for nubs. Whatever was not picked up by vacuum.... But after your just building coats. It dries so quick that you don't need sanding each time.. the dust won't settle in like poly. Either poly or shellac are good finishes, but I don't see the big advantages to poly. Which looked better when done. Both, they both look awesome when done. Over time they both wear and lose their sheen. With shellac I can get most of look back with a maroon then white scotchbrite. Not with poly. It won't pop back up. Is it oxidation, just scratches not being able to be rubbed out??? I don't know. On 2/19/2012 2:07 PM, Swingman wrote: On 2/19/2012 1:03 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Years ago someone did a scientific study on the supposed advantage of poly over shellac... Well poly just nudged shellac, it really was such a small margin on durability. Water testing showed poly was marginally better. Which surprised everyone. All the hype. Shellac is a great finish. But to those that believe poly rules... have at it. What's the difference in cost? |
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On 2/19/2012 1:04 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
Spar finish is soft.. That's it's purpose, it's supposed to be flexible. Shellac is harder than spar. On 2/19/2012 12:22 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com writes: Wow, shellac soft? I don't think so. It is very hard once fully cured. It is considered a soft finish when compared to hard film finishes such as polyurethane or spar varnish. Shellac is not commonly recommended for high traffic areas for that reason. Shellac also doesn't tolerate alcohol spills well (but it does repair easily). I'd use a good poly for stairs, or a blo-spar-turps blend. scott I used spar on b grade plywood in my darkroom. Indestructible for many years even with the chemicals. But way to yellow for my red oak. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:04:35 -0500, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 10:15:43 -0600, Swingman wrote:
On 2/19/2012 9:54 AM, tiredofspam wrote: What all finishers used to use before POLY? Shellac. Not necessarily ... plain old wax was a finish of choice for floor finishing at one time. Waxing and rewaxing was a real, time-consuming chore back in the day. Now, both water-borne & oil-based polys and polycrylics are used. Flooring is the one area I won't argue that poly is best. I've used Future floor wax (acrylic) for decades now, but on lino flooring. I have carpeting everywhere but the kitchen. Commercial Indoor/Outdoor went into the bathroom. It's much warmer and nicer for those nocturnal jaunts down the hall, knowwhatImean,Vern? FWIW, at this point you have well established that you are a proponent of shellac for hardwood floors ... no need to reply to every post that says otherwise ... you can quit now. Maybe that's his sig or sumpin'? (He's filtered here.) -- The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer |
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On 2/19/2012 11:22 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com writes: Wow, shellac soft? I don't think so. It is very hard once fully cured. It is considered a soft finish when compared to hard film finishes such as polyurethane or spar varnish. Ok, careful there, a spar varnish is absolutely not hard, it remains flexible so that it will not crack when flexed. |
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On 2/19/2012 12:41 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/19/2012 11:22 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com writes: Wow, shellac soft? I don't think so. It is very hard once fully cured. It is considered a soft finish when compared to hard film finishes such as polyurethane or spar varnish. Shellac is not commonly recommended for high traffic areas for that reason. Shellac also doesn't tolerate alcohol spills well (but it does repair easily). I'd use a good poly for stairs, or a blo-spar-turps blend. scott well we don't make a habit of carrying open containers of alcohol up and down the stairs...... That could be beer or wine. |
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On 2/19/2012 2:18 PM, Steve Barker wrote:
On 2/19/2012 1:04 PM, tiredofspam wrote: Spar finish is soft.. That's it's purpose, it's supposed to be flexible. Shellac is harder than spar. On 2/19/2012 12:22 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote: tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com writes: Wow, shellac soft? I don't think so. It is very hard once fully cured. It is considered a soft finish when compared to hard film finishes such as polyurethane or spar varnish. Shellac is not commonly recommended for high traffic areas for that reason. Shellac also doesn't tolerate alcohol spills well (but it does repair easily). I'd use a good poly for stairs, or a blo-spar-turps blend. scott I used spar on b grade plywood in my darkroom. Indestructible for many years even with the chemicals. But way to yellow for my red oak. Spar varnish is more of a marine varnish for out door use. Designed to not harden but to remain flexible so that a spar does not crack it when it flexes. Not really a furniture grade varnish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spar |
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Finish for red oak on stair treads
On 2/19/2012 5:59 PM, Leon wrote:
On 2/19/2012 12:41 PM, Steve Barker wrote: On 2/19/2012 11:22 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote: tiredofspamnospam.nospam.com writes: Wow, shellac soft? I don't think so. It is very hard once fully cured. It is considered a soft finish when compared to hard film finishes such as polyurethane or spar varnish. Shellac is not commonly recommended for high traffic areas for that reason. Shellac also doesn't tolerate alcohol spills well (but it does repair easily). I'd use a good poly for stairs, or a blo-spar-turps blend. scott well we don't make a habit of carrying open containers of alcohol up and down the stairs...... That could be beer or wine. LOL. not here. -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email |
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:27:56 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: tiredofspam wrote: Can't use scotchbrite with poly. its too hard (I guess that goes to the hardness issue). Huh? Who ever told you that? Now do you see why I filtered him? /rhetorical question -- The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer |
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 23:27:56 -0500, "Mike Marlow" wrote: tiredofspam wrote: Can't use scotchbrite with poly. its too hard (I guess that goes to the hardness issue). Huh? Who ever told you that? Now do you see why I filtered him? /rhetorical question ================================================== ====== Personally, I have never used scotchbrite on poly. I have used a lot of it on steel. Works great for that. Poly must be some tuff stuff. -- The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools. -- Herbert Spencer |
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On Feb 18, 3:42*pm, Steve Barker wrote:
I'm fixin' to sculpture some stair treads from some rough cut red oak i practically stole from an Amish auction ( 85 cents per BF). *What i need to know is what finish i can use that meets the following criteria: 1. not water based poly 2. natural (as clear as oil based can do) 3. not too slick to sock feet Things that don't matter: 1. odor while applying 2. cost 3. time takes to finish properly thanks in advance! , -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email Here is what we did, partially at the suggestion of an area wood floor manufacturer: 1) Using pre-made Red Oak treads we sanded to desired surface prior to installation. and covered them with cardboard as they were installed. 2) Applied one coat of MinWax Natural stain which was recommended by the floor manufacturer to match the flooring we had previously purchased. 3) Applied three fairly heavy coats of MinWax Satin Poly with some sanding between coats. I know the word MinWax drives some of the folks here to distraction but, again, this was the floor manufacturer's recommendation. They use a higher class of finish on their hardwood flooring but this is the process they recommended for a contractor and homeowner. They also steered me away from using MinWax floor finish because it was more costly and provided no real wear advantage. Apparently it does dry faster. The odor is what you expect from the MinWax products mentioned. We were able to put two coats of finish on one day and the third the second day. Then stayed off of it, with shoes, for another day. The color we ended up with is a great match for the flooring. We did the first half of the staircase about 2-1/2 to 3 years ago when we were finishing the house. We followed up last spring with the bottom half which is at an angle to the upper part (as part of the basement finish). after the two year or so time lapse the two stair sections are perfectly matched, and we have seen no appreciable wear on the first half. BTW - Don't varnish you way into the basement or upper floor! (not that I would) :O) RonB |
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On Feb 19, 1:03*pm, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
It is very hard, and therefore polishes beautifuly, buffs up to a high polished finish, easily sands to a luster. Try that with poly. If that wasn't rhetorical and you are interested in learning, http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas...igh_Gloss.html There is a lot of info on how to do it, including articles and opinions of luthiers and others that do just that. There used to be a picture (may still be) on J. Jewitt's site of how he polished his own waterborne poly to a mirror finish so fine you could read the writing on the can of finish in the image reflection from the table top. Robert |
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"Steve Barker" wrote in message ... I'm fixin' to sculpture some stair treads from some rough cut red oak i practically stole from an Amish auction ( 85 cents per BF). What i need to know is what finish i can use that meets the following criteria: 1. not water based poly 2. natural (as clear as oil based can do) 3. not too slick to sock feet Things that don't matter: 1. odor while applying 2. cost 3. time takes to finish properly thanks in advance! , -- Steve Barker remove the "not" from my address to email Personally, red oak with a clear finish is an ugly wood, and it turns orange in time as light ages it. I would first do something to adjust the color to something more pleasing to the eye then coat it with a very durable finish. Stairs get a lot of abuse, more than most floor areas, most of the wear is concentrated in the middle and front of the the tread, and it will wear very quickly if it is not finished properly. Shellac is great but it won't last very long. |
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