Just got the Craftsman 22124 yesterday. Walked it off the tailgate of my
****ant (S10) pick up and then noticed scraped metal on the gate. Once I got
the cardboard off the saw, I discovered a square steel tubing welded frame
around the entire saw. The legs scraped my tailgate. The extensions were packed
in 2" + styrofoam, and the motor had a thick, fitted styrofoam cover. Add that
to the overall strength of the cast iron trunnions on this machine, and I doubt
many will be delivered with cracked trunnions. Or much of anything else.

Unwieldy to get off without scratching the saw, but a great idea.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
...



Unwieldy to get off without scratching the saw, but a great idea.

Did a stint in a manufacturing setup and had a chance to chat with some
Packaging Engineers. Quite a science they've got there. Solid grounding in
Physics *and* accounting to balance all of the costs.

Always wondered why Griz and Delta and ... apparently feel that returns
are cheaper than packaging.

DIYGUY asks:

And I could not find it in the web
literature - does this saw have a left tilting blade?

Ayup. Its only fault, maybe.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn

Congrats on your new toy. Looks to be a solid tool, be sure to give us
a review of how it performs for you after you have had a chance to run a
few hundred bf through it! And I could not find it in the web
literature - does this saw have a left tilting blade?

Charlie Self wrote:
Just got the Craftsman 22124 yesterday. Walked it off the tailgate of my
****ant (S10) pick up and then noticed scraped metal on the gate. Once I got
the cardboard off the saw, I discovered a square steel tubing welded frame
around the entire saw. The legs scraped my tailgate. The extensions were packed
in 2" + styrofoam, and the motor had a thick, fitted styrofoam cover. Add that
to the overall strength of the cast iron trunnions on this machine, and I doubt
many will be delivered with cracked trunnions. Or much of anything else.

Unwieldy to get off without scratching the saw, but a great idea.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn

Charlie,

Is this one you're doing a review on or one you purchased for your shop?

Bob S.


"Charlie Self" wrote in message
...
Just got the Craftsman 22124 yesterday. Walked it off the tailgate of my
****ant (S10) pick up and then noticed scraped metal on the gate. Once I
got
the cardboard off the saw, I discovered a square steel tubing welded frame
around the entire saw. The legs scraped my tailgate. The extensions were
packed
in 2" + styrofoam, and the motor had a thick, fitted styrofoam cover. Add
that
to the overall strength of the cast iron trunnions on this machine, and I
doubt
many will be delivered with cracked trunnions. Or much of anything else.

Unwieldy to get off without scratching the saw, but a great idea.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest
Benn

Bob S. asks:


Is this one you're doing a review on or one you purchased for your shop?

Bob S.


It's for a review, for Woodworker's Journal electronic newsletter.

The Craftsman haters are going to hate the review.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn

Ya think....;-)

Bob S.


It's for a review, for Woodworker's Journal electronic newsletter.

The Craftsman haters are going to hate the review.

Charlie Self

Charlie Self wrote:

The Craftsman haters are going to hate the review.

Bean counters have ruined many a product / company, and enlightened
leadership / management can turn it around. I have no objection to
Craftsman improving their quality. I look forward to your review.

-- Mark

Where can one subscribe to the Woodworker's Journal electronic newsletter.

Thanks,
John

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
...
Bob S. asks:


Is this one you're doing a review on or one you purchased for your shop?

Bob S.


It's for a review, for Woodworker's Journal electronic newsletter.

The Craftsman haters are going to hate the review.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest
Benn

John Pilhoefer writes:

Where can one subscribe to the Woodworker's Journal electronic newsletter



or to see archives

http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/ezine/archivepage.cfm

WWJ is the best general newsletter going for woodworkers, IMO. Rob uses just
about every source possible to come up with useful information.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn

Charlie Self wrote:

John Pilhoefer writes:


Where can one subscribe to the Woodworker's Journal electronic newsletter




or to see archives

http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/ezine/archivepage.cfm

WWJ is the best general newsletter going for woodworkers, IMO. Rob uses just
about every source possible to come up with useful information.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn

That address bounced
550 5.1.2 ... Host unknown (Name
server: xtinmail1.exacttarget.com.: host not found)
but http://www.woodworkersjournal.com/ezine/subscribe.cfm works
Joe

"Mark Jerde" wrote in message
...

leadership / management can turn it around. I have no objection to
Craftsman improving their quality. I look forward to your review.

Yeah - look at the bright side: I don't have to change my opinion of
Craftsman. I grew up when they made good stuff. If they slip quality stuff
back in while I'm not looking, all the better.

Kind'a like Jeep: CJ - YJ - TJ.

Charlie:

Any plans by you/them to review the Saw Stop? based on all of threads all
over the Forumns it would be very popular. I was in a Sears Hardware store
the day before last and they did not have them on the floor. I'd be anxious
to see your writeup. Is there any comaprison to the Dewalt?

Regards
Rich


"Charlie Self" wrote in message
...
Just got the Craftsman 22124 yesterday. Walked it off the tailgate of my
****ant (S10) pick up and then noticed scraped metal on the gate. Once I
got
the cardboard off the saw, I discovered a square steel tubing welded frame
around the entire saw. The legs scraped my tailgate. The extensions were
packed
in 2" + styrofoam, and the motor had a thick, fitted styrofoam cover. Add
that
to the overall strength of the cast iron trunnions on this machine, and I
doubt
many will be delivered with cracked trunnions. Or much of anything else.

Unwieldy to get off without scratching the saw, but a great idea.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest
Benn

Rich asks:

Charlie:

Any plans by you/them to review the Saw Stop? based on all of threads all
over the Forumns it would be very popular. I was in a Sears Hardware store
the day before last and they did not have them on the floor. I'd be anxious
to see your writeup. Is there any comaprison to the Dewalt?

AFAIK, there are NO review samples of Sawstop saws. You are not going to see
them on the floor at Sears or any other retailer until they get past the
pre-order stage, a point at which they've been stuck for at least two years
now. When the time comes, I'd love to review one, but I'll do the same testing
Sawstop has done--much prefer sticking a Nathan's product in that blade rather
than my finger. The review would have to include setting the thing off, of
course. Then figure out how much hassle it is to replace the cartridge and
check to see how much damage it did to the rest of the saw.

If you mean you didn't see the new Craftsman 22124 saws on the floor, I've got
a feeling they're a bit thin on the ground right. Introduction was only a
little over a month ago. If, as I suspect, acceptance is high, it's going to be
hard to keep them in stock.

I have used the DeWalt hybrid, but haven't yet take it apart--or for that
matter, assembled one--so all I can say is that I like the fence on the
Craftsman a LOT better. Of course, it's a Biesemeyer commercial 30", so...but
DW does offer a sliding table, which, at this point, Craftsman does not.

I'm interested in seeing how this hybrid saw tune plays out over the next six
months or year. There should be some response from both Jet and DeWalt as to
changes in their saws to justify the cost--very close to that of the new
Craftsman.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 07:40:49 -0400, "RKON"
wrote:

Charlie:

Any plans by you/them to review the Saw Stop? based on all of threads all
over the Forumns it would be very popular. I was in a Sears Hardware store
the day before last and they did not have them on the floor. I'd be anxious
to see your writeup. Is there any comaprison to the Dewalt?

Regards
Rich

sawstop is reviewed (sorta) in the latest fine woodworking.

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
...


I'm interested in seeing how this hybrid saw tune plays out over the next
six
months or year. There should be some response from both Jet and DeWalt as
to
changes in their saws to justify the cost--very close to that of the new
Craftsman.

As I SuperSaw buyer, I too looked at the specs of the new Craftsman. The 1
3/4 horse lines up w/ the hybrids. But is the main difference in the
trunions? The Craftsman being more "cabinet-ish" and the hybrids more
"contractor-esque"?

Charlie Self wrote:

Rich asks:

Charlie:

Any plans by you/them to review the Saw Stop? based on all of threads all
over the Forumns it would be very popular. I was in a Sears Hardware store
the day before last and they did not have them on the floor. I'd be
anxious to see your writeup. Is there any comaprison to the Dewalt?

AFAIK, there are NO review samples of Sawstop saws. You are not going to
see them on the floor at Sears or any other retailer until they get past
the pre-order stage, a point at which they've been stuck for at least two
years now. When the time comes, I'd love to review one, but I'll do the
same testing Sawstop has done--much prefer sticking a Nathan's product in
that blade rather than my finger. The review would have to include setting
the thing off, of course. Then figure out how much hassle it is to replace
the cartridge and check to see how much damage it did to the rest of the
saw.

If you mean you didn't see the new Craftsman 22124 saws on the floor, I've
got a feeling they're a bit thin on the ground right. Introduction was
only a little over a month ago. If, as I suspect, acceptance is high, it's
going to be hard to keep them in stock.

FWIW, for those in the Hartford, CT area, there's one on display at the
Sears in the Enfield Mall.

I have used the DeWalt hybrid, but haven't yet take it apart--or for that
matter, assembled one--so all I can say is that I like the fence on the
Craftsman a LOT better. Of course, it's a Biesemeyer commercial 30",
so...but DW does offer a sliding table, which, at this point, Craftsman
does not.

I'm interested in seeing how this hybrid saw tune plays out over the next
six months or year. There should be some response from both Jet and DeWalt
as to changes in their saws to justify the cost--very close to that of the
new Craftsman.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists
or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest
Benn

--
--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Patrick Conroy asks:

I'm interested in seeing how this hybrid saw tune plays out over the next
six
months or year. There should be some response from both Jet and DeWalt as
to
changes in their saws to justify the cost--very close to that of the new
Craftsman.

As I SuperSaw buyer, I too looked at the specs of the new Craftsman. The 1
3/4 horse lines up w/ the hybrids. But is the main difference in the
trunions? The Craftsman being more "cabinet-ish" and the hybrids more
"contractor-esque"?

I think so, but as I said earlier, I have not examined the Jet and DeWalt saws
very closely, so I do NOT know for sure. I don't think either of the others has
the trunnions mounted on the cabinet, nor do I think they have cast iron
trunnions. But that's an impression, not a fact.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
...

I think so, but as I said earlier, I have not examined the Jet and DeWalt
saws
But that's an impression, not a fact.

I'm too stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hnew to know a trunnion from a mullion - but as I
said, I've got the Jet hybrid. If you need me to send you some digital pix
of the innards, let me know and I'd be happy to.

Patrick Conroy notes:

"Charlie Self" wrote in message
...

I think so, but as I said earlier, I have not examined the Jet and DeWalt
saws
But that's an impression, not a fact.

I'm too stupid^H^H^H^H^H^Hnew to know a trunnion from a mullion - but as I
said, I've got the Jet hybrid. If you need me to send you some digital pix
of the innards, let me know and I'd be happy to

That would be great. Drop the notforme from my email address.

Take your time, though. I'm up to my ears at the moment. Still suffering from
moving two weeks ago--in that the house is overfull, the shop is a mess, I just
got a new camera I'm trying to get used to, trying to get things in shape to
make the house livable and the shop usable, trying to get the youngest kid to
clear her unused things out what will be my new office, clear out the spare
bedroom in case anyone is ever crazy enough to visit and more fun stuff.

I will NOT move again. At least not this year.

Charlie Self
"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or
not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy." Ernest Benn

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
...

FWIW, for those in the Hartford, CT area, there's one on display at the
Sears in the Enfield Mall.



Hmmm. Interesting that the Sears Hardware in Vernon didn't have one but the
Enfield Sears did.

Rich

I am happy to see the Craftsman "Professional Grade" saw get reviewed.
I will be looking forward towards your review as well as others in the
rest of the woodworking magazine world. I think you are right about
these new saws being a little hard to get right now. I was very lucky
to get one right away within a week of the first display. Believe me,
it took some elbow wrangling and a very cooperative store mangager to
get it so quickly. Who knows! Maybe I'm the first one to buy one and
actually be using it on a daily basis! So far, I have been very happy
with the performance and accuracy of the cuts it makes. The Beismeyer
works as advertised and ripping is very smooth. The hold down miter
comes in very handy and has proven to yield 90 degrees every time,
once I set the positive stop. I am waiting til Monday for a dado
insert. Too new to have them stocked in store. Here in the Seattle
environs, the saws are on display in the Alderwood, Shoreline and Soho
stores. I'm sure there are others, but I can't verify.
Well,.........hope you have as much fun putting the saw together as I
did! I'm still using the steel cage it came in as a staining rack. For
others out there who might be curious, it's definitely worth a look!

MrMortise