Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam

On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

In article 8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

On Feb 3, 8:54*pm, sam wrote:
In article 8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

Man, do I have to spell it out for you?

Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

In article fe7855bc-ffe7-4808-8ab3-
,
says...

On Feb 3, 8:54*pm, sam wrote:
In article 8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

Man, do I have to spell it out for you?

Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

Got it. Good idea.

Thanks,

s

On 2/3/2011 8:57 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:54 pm, wrote:
In article8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Feb 3, 8:41 pm, wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

Man, do I have to spell it out for you?

Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

Besides even though is a knock off, it still could be valuable, and
worth significantly more that the cost of repair. Don't you watch
Antiques Roadshow? ;-)

On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:54:47 -0600, sam wrote:

In article 8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
, says...

On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

It likely wouldn't resonate with that goop on it. Howzbout brown duct
tape?

--
Woe be to him that reads but one book.
-- George Herbert

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

In article , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

sam wrote:
In , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

Sam,

If you want to read more along these lines, you might browse the "setup
and repair" forums at: http://www.fiddlehangout.com/
There are also several experts there that will probably be glad to help
you with your questions. Be prepared to invest more time than the
instrument's probably worth and read a bunch before you do anything.
Do you realize that just to get the tuning pegs to work "nicely", you
may spend close to $100 on tools? Maybe you should take it to a luthier
as has already suggested by others? If you aren't committed to doing
this sort of thing as a hobby, I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

http://www.stewmac.com/Shopping?&off...h&sort =score
desc

Bill

In article , says...

sam wrote:
In , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

Sam,

If you want to read more along these lines, you might browse the "setup
and repair" forums at: http://www.fiddlehangout.com/
There are also several experts there that will probably be glad to help
you with your questions. Be prepared to invest more time than the
instrument's probably worth and read a bunch before you do anything.
Do you realize that just to get the tuning pegs to work "nicely", you
may spend close to $100 on tools? Maybe you should take it to a luthier
as has already suggested by others? If you aren't committed to doing
this sort of thing as a hobby, I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

http://www.stewmac.com/Shopping?&off...h&sort =score
desc

Bill

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the great links. I'm going to wait until
summer when I'm in full woodworking mode and I'll
study up and try to do it right.

Thanks again,

Sam

Bill wrote:
sam wrote:
In , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No
kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

Sam,

If you want to read more along these lines, you might browse the "setup
and repair" forums at: http://www.fiddlehangout.com/
There are also several experts there that will probably be glad to help
you with your questions. Be prepared to invest more time than the
instrument's probably worth and read a bunch before you do anything. Do
you realize that just to get the tuning pegs to work "nicely", you may
spend close to $100 on tools? Maybe you should take it to a luthier as
has already suggested by others? If you aren't committed to doing this
sort of thing as a hobby, I think the argument to do so is compelling.
Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

http://www.stewmac.com/Shopping?&off...h&sort =score
desc

Bill



Try
http://www.mimf.com/

I think the argument to do so is
compelling. *Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

Bill

Do you know of a similar site for harps?

Thanks
Bob AZ

On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:12:23 -0600, sam wrote:

In article , says...

sam wrote:
In , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

Sam,

If you want to read more along these lines, you might browse the "setup
and repair" forums at: http://www.fiddlehangout.com/
There are also several experts there that will probably be glad to help
you with your questions. Be prepared to invest more time than the
instrument's probably worth and read a bunch before you do anything.
Do you realize that just to get the tuning pegs to work "nicely", you
may spend close to $100 on tools? Maybe you should take it to a luthier
as has already suggested by others? If you aren't committed to doing
this sort of thing as a hobby, I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

http://www.stewmac.com/Shopping?&off...h&sort =score
desc

Bill

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the great links. I'm going to wait until
summer when I'm in full woodworking mode and I'll
study up and try to do it right.

If you decide to take up the violin and can't fix that one within a
tight budget, grab one from an eBay vendor for as little as $25.
They're handsomely made, good sounding instruments, too. I doubled my
money selling it locally for half the price the locals get for similar
instruments. (My neck didn't like the fiddlin' position at all so I
had to give it up before I learned much.)

http://tinyurl.com/62hrgkg $24, $19 to ship.
Violin, bow, rosin, strings, case, tuner.

http://tinyurl.com/63a3qvp $2 auction, $19 to ship.

--
Woe be to him that reads but one book.
-- George Herbert

On Feb 3, 7:57*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:54*pm, sam wrote:



In article 8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

Man, do I have to spell it out for you?

Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

Agree - - A good luthier will be able to tell you if there is value in
the instrument before you start dinkin' with it. An old, European
violin was brought into our museum about a year ago. It was owned by
one of the Nuns who ran the frontier boarding school and music program
in our 1880's home town. We were delighted to have it as an
artifact. Had a luthier look at it and, in rough condition, it is
worth more than $4,000.

Be nice to know before you start applying the epoxy and duct
tape. )

RonB

Bob AZ wrote:
I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

Bill

Do you know of a similar site for harps?

Thanks
Bob AZ


I regret that I don't.

F. Murtz's suggestion to look at http://www.mimf.com/
is probably a good place to ask, though I haven't checked on the
existence of a harp newsgroup.

Bill

On Feb 3, 9:48*pm, Bill wrote:
sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water).

140 F to be precise.

The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. *Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hide glue can not only be disassembled easily (some
routine maintenance jobs call for it), it can be reglued
without having to scrape out the old glue. Even after
300 years, the old glue is reactivated by the new.

Hide glue also doesn't creep, like almost every other
modern glue.

Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:12:23 -0600, wrote:

In , says...

sam wrote:
In , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

Sam,

If you want to read more along these lines, you might browse the "setup
and repair" forums at: http://www.fiddlehangout.com/
There are also several experts there that will probably be glad to help
you with your questions. Be prepared to invest more time than the
instrument's probably worth and read a bunch before you do anything.
Do you realize that just to get the tuning pegs to work "nicely", you
may spend close to $100 on tools? Maybe you should take it to a luthier
as has already suggested by others? If you aren't committed to doing
this sort of thing as a hobby, I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

http://www.stewmac.com/Shopping?&off...h&sort =score
desc

Bill

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the great links. I'm going to wait until
summer when I'm in full woodworking mode and I'll
study up and try to do it right.

If you decide to take up the violin and can't fix that one within a
tight budget, grab one from an eBay vendor for as little as $25.
They're handsomely made, good sounding instruments, too. I doubled my
money selling it locally for half the price the locals get for similar
instruments. (My neck didn't like the fiddlin' position at all so I
had to give it up before I learned much.)

You should try this shoulder rest before you say "I quit" (unless you
have a short neck):

http://www.sharmusic.com/Shop-Shar/A...s-4-4-size.axd


http://tinyurl.com/62hrgkg $24, $19 to ship.
Violin, bow, rosin, strings, case, tuner.

http://tinyurl.com/63a3qvp $2 auction, $19 to ship.

--
Woe be to him that reads but one book.
-- George Herbert

In article ,
says...

On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:12:23 -0600, sam wrote:

In article , says...

sam wrote:
In , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

Sam,

If you want to read more along these lines, you might browse the "setup
and repair" forums at: http://www.fiddlehangout.com/
There are also several experts there that will probably be glad to help
you with your questions. Be prepared to invest more time than the
instrument's probably worth and read a bunch before you do anything.
Do you realize that just to get the tuning pegs to work "nicely", you
may spend close to $100 on tools? Maybe you should take it to a luthier
as has already suggested by others? If you aren't committed to doing
this sort of thing as a hobby, I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

http://www.stewmac.com/Shopping?&off...h&sort =score
desc

Bill

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the great links. I'm going to wait until
summer when I'm in full woodworking mode and I'll
study up and try to do it right.

If you decide to take up the violin and can't fix that one within a
tight budget, grab one from an eBay vendor for as little as $25.
They're handsomely made, good sounding instruments, too. I doubled my
money selling it locally for half the price the locals get for similar
instruments. (My neck didn't like the fiddlin' position at all so I
had to give it up before I learned much.)

http://tinyurl.com/62hrgkg $24, $19 to ship.
Violin, bow, rosin, strings, case, tuner.

http://tinyurl.com/63a3qvp $2 auction, $19 to ship.

Thanks, I already have a violin that I play (not well).
For 30 bucks, I couldn't turn down the antique, even
if it needs some work.

s

On 02/03/2011 06:54 PM, sam wrote:
In article8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Feb 3, 8:41 pm, wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

If this one is a total loss, and if you're ambitious, try this:

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Deluxe-Violin-Kit/H3099

In article om,
says...

On 02/03/2011 06:54 PM, sam wrote:
In article8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Feb 3, 8:41 pm, wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

If this one is a total loss, and if you're ambitious, try this:

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Deluxe-Violin-Kit/H3099

Thanks, Doug. I'm not much for kits. I watched a video
of a guy who made one by re-sawing some pieces and
matching the grain on the back. It looked just great.
That's the crazy kind of thing I'd like to try one
of these days.

I'm really curious what this old violin will sound like
when I get it glued up. I hope it has an awesome tone.

s

?
"Bob AZ" wrote in message
...
I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find
interesting:

Bill

Do you know of a similar site for harps?

Thanks
Bob AZ

The Irish can't use that site?

Bill wrote:
Bob AZ wrote:
I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find
interesting:

Bill

Do you know of a similar site for harps?

Thanks
Bob AZ


I regret that I don't.

F. Murtz's suggestion to look at http://www.mimf.com/
is probably a good place to ask, though I haven't checked on the
existence of a harp newsgroup.

Bill
The site I mentioned has archives and tons of stuff about almost all
instruments, making,repairing. You could spend days sifting through it
but you have to register.

Larry Jaques wrote:

If you decide to take up the violin and can't fix that one within a
tight budget, grab one from an eBay vendor for as little as $25.
They're handsomely made, good sounding instruments, too. I doubled my
money selling it locally for half the price the locals get for similar
instruments. (My neck didn't like the fiddlin' position at all so I
had to give it up before I learned much.)

http://tinyurl.com/62hrgkg $24, $19 to ship.
Violin, bow, rosin, strings, case, tuner.

http://tinyurl.com/63a3qvp $2 auction, $19 to ship.

Good Lord!

I had no idea violins could be had so cheaply.

Heck, they're cheap enough to use for DECORATION, even if one can't play it!

On Feb 4, 8:00*am, "HeyBub" wrote:


I had no idea violins could be had so cheaply.

Heck, they're cheap enough to use for DECORATION, even if one can't play it!

Unless played expertly (there aren't many), violins should only be
used as decoration.
Bag pipes are in the same class of instruments with the notable
distinction that there are no expert bag-pipe players. Bag-pipes can
not be used as decoration unless mounted like a deer's head with a lot
of bullet holes.
Tambourines and bongos belong on that list, decorative at best and
never to be played.

Notable exceptions to the 'no violin' rule are fiddles in Irish pubs,
where the fiddle players are back-up for singers like myself once we
are over-served. Same thing goes for the Maritimes-style pubs.
In limited doses, Alison Krauss can be entertaining... as is old
footage of Henny Youngman.

On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 05:25:03 -0800 (PST), Robatoy wrote:

On Feb 4, 8:00*am, "HeyBub" wrote:


I had no idea violins could be had so cheaply.

Heck, they're cheap enough to use for DECORATION, even if one can't play it!

Unless played expertly (there aren't many), violins should only be
used as decoration.
Bag pipes are in the same class of instruments with the notable
distinction that there are no expert bag-pipe players. Bag-pipes can
not be used as decoration unless mounted like a deer's head with a lot
of bullet holes.
Tambourines and bongos belong on that list, decorative at best and
never to be played.

Notable exceptions to the 'no violin' rule are fiddles in Irish pubs,
where the fiddle players are back-up for singers like myself once we
are over-served. Same thing goes for the Maritimes-style pubs.
In limited doses, Alison Krauss can be entertaining... as is old
footage of Henny Youngman.

I like bagpipe music(is that the right term?), but I don't want to make a
steady diet of it.

When I got hitched, the wedding was in a field alongside a large lake
pretty much in the middle of nowhere, we hired a piper to play the wedding.
Not too expensive and easier to move around than a grand piano.

When the piper arrived, he told me he needed a place to warm up and
and to get the pipes limbered up, I took him over a little rise and
into a scope of trees, thinking he would be somewhat unobtrusive
and less annoying while trying to get the damn thing started.

This is where the fun starts, in a bush nearby there was possibly one of
the
largest red wasp nest known to mankind, further more, red wasp take great
exception to bagpipe music (it is now only moments from time to walk the
plank) we are engulfed in a cloud of wasp, the piper in full dress is
having a fit, slinging pipes losing valuable articles of clothing and
bagpipe pieces and generally running in circles. Meanwhile in an effort
to keep this guy from fleeing the premises, I'm trying to fight the wasp
off of him and manage to get stung all over the hands and arms.
We managed to escape and gather all his equipment and only ran a few
minutes late with the wedding.

I was in great pain and somewhat dizzy from the excitement and toxins,
but the real swelling didn't start until later that evening.

basilisk

On 2/3/2011 7:41 PM, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam

I have what is most likely the same violin with the same label. Mine is
German student violin made around the late 1800, early 1900 period and
was appraised at $400 30 years ago.

These were everywhere in the country during the early 19th century.

Still, as Rob said, take it to get it appraised.

Does it have a bow? If so, that is one good reason to get it appraised,
as often those old bows are ten times what the violin is.

Hide glue is the only way to repair a violin if you want to keep both
the value of the instrument and the tone.

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On 2/4/2011 7:25 AM, Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 4, 8:00 am, wrote:


I had no idea violins could be had so cheaply.

Heck, they're cheap enough to use for DECORATION, even if one can't play it!

Unless played expertly (there aren't many), violins should only be
used as decoration.
Bag pipes are in the same class of instruments with the notable

Ya left off banjos and cowbells.

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On 2/3/2011 11:41 PM, sam wrote:

I'm really curious what this old violin will sound like
when I get it glued up. I hope it has an awesome tone.

s

If you just glue it up with whatever, it won't. If it has
any value and you really want it to sound like anything
you need to get somebody that knows what they are doing
to fix it. A good violin is a precision instrument.

Bill

"sam" wrote in message
...
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam

Sam,

I've got a guy here that does this type of repair work. If you decide to
farm it out, let me know and I'll put you in touch with him.
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knuttle writes:
On 2/3/2011 8:57 PM, Robatoy wrote:


Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

Besides even though is a knock off, it still could be valuable, and
worth significantly more that the cost of repair. Don't you watch
Antiques Roadshow? ;-)

Someone just brought one into Pawn Stars, and they wouldn't even buy it,
once it was determined to be a knock off (even if it was 100 years old).

That's worthless.

scott

If you are determined to do it yourself, use hot hide glue, but please have
it appraised first. The others are correct, except for the brown duct tape,
should be yellow to comply with OSHA:-)
Joe M
"sam" wrote in message
...
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam

On 2/4/2011 3:05 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
writes:
On 2/3/2011 8:57 PM, Robatoy wrote:


Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

Besides even though is a knock off, it still could be valuable, and
worth significantly more that the cost of repair. Don't you watch
Antiques Roadshow? ;-)

Someone just brought one into Pawn Stars, and they wouldn't even buy it,
once it was determined to be a knock off (even if it was 100 years old).

That's worthless.

I've known some of these old imported European "knock offs" to sound and
play better than a $30,000 Cremona instrument in your local symphony
orechestra.

Worth, or value, to a musician, is ALL about what it sounds like, first
and foremost, followed by how easy it is to play ... everything else is
secondary, including what it might be worth to a pawn shop.

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On 2/4/2011 3:27 PM, Swingman wrote:

Worth, or value, to a musician, is ALL about what it sounds like, first
and foremost, followed by how easy it is to play ... everything else is
secondary, including what it might be worth to a pawn shop.

I should have added ... unless he's between girlfriends with no couch to
sleep on.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

Besides even though is a knock off, it still could be valuable, and
worth significantly more that the cost of repair. Don't you watch
Antiques Roadshow? ;-)

Someone just brought one into Pawn Stars, and they wouldn't even buy it,
once it was determined to be a knock off (even if it was 100 years old).
That's worthless.
scott

The pawn boys wouldn't buy it, but their appraiser said that in
repaired condition it was worth between $1500-$2500. Not as much as a
strat, but not bad for free find in an old trunk.

"sam" wrote in message
...
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam

I'd take it to a reputable shop before I even dusted it off. They can be
worth money, unless screwed up by an amateur restorer. They may not be the
million dollar ones, but they still can command good dough if not screwed up
with some drywall screws and Gorilla Glue. Some of the copies are worth
thousands. As mentioned before, a good shop will give you an itemized list
of the work they will do, and what they will charge. They will also, (If
you are a good talker) tell you how much it will be worth AFTER restoration.
Anyone with a room temperature IQ can do the math and see which is the
bigger number. And then, if it is just a break even deal, you might want to
play around with it, and try to DIY. But I'd know for sure before I'd start
hacking on it.

Steve

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"Scott Lurndal" wrote in message
...
knuttle writes:
On 2/3/2011 8:57 PM, Robatoy wrote:


Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

Besides even though is a knock off, it still could be valuable, and
worth significantly more that the cost of repair. Don't you watch
Antiques Roadshow? ;-)

Someone just brought one into Pawn Stars, and they wouldn't even buy it,
once it was determined to be a knock off (even if it was 100 years old).

That's worthless.

scott

No, it just wasn't worth it for them to buy it for $100, put $300 in it, and
sell it for $500.

It is impossible to say if the one on Pawn Stars is the same variation as
the one this fellow has. Some of the copies are quite good, and worth in
the thousands. It would be absolutely stupid to have one of these in your
hands and not get a professional opinion on it, even if it cost you $50.
And I'm not talking about an opinion from a pawn broker.

Pawn Stars is a good show, and I like it. Much more than that schmuck on
Hard Core Pawn. I bet he got his ass kicked a lot in school. But how many
times do they say, "In order to make any money, I have to get this for
cheap."? Cheap for them is 25% of retail. If I was in that business, I'd
do the same time. If you listen clearly, they double or triple their money
on most things. And that's just the stuff they tell you about. Lots and
lots goes in and out for cash. Lots of pawn shops give you $20 on an item
and sell it for $300.

And P.T. Barnum was right. All day, they get a parade of morons who pay
more than retail.

Steve

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"HeyBub" wrote in message
m...
Larry Jaques wrote:

If you decide to take up the violin and can't fix that one within a
tight budget, grab one from an eBay vendor for as little as $25.
They're handsomely made, good sounding instruments, too. I doubled my
money selling it locally for half the price the locals get for similar
instruments. (My neck didn't like the fiddlin' position at all so I
had to give it up before I learned much.)

http://tinyurl.com/62hrgkg $24, $19 to ship.
Violin, bow, rosin, strings, case, tuner.

http://tinyurl.com/63a3qvp $2 auction, $19 to ship.

Good Lord!

I had no idea violins could be had so cheaply.

Heck, they're cheap enough to use for DECORATION, even if one can't play
it!

I go to a LOT of yard sales. I've seen them for $5, and for that, they
would be a great wall piece. I've also seen $500 pieces of this and that
where the people only want $5. You just need to know what you're looking
at, whether it's a coin, a gun, a woodworking tool, a router set, a really
nice set of Forstners, whatever.

Yard sale story: International pickup bed with trailer tongue on side of
highway with "FREE" sign on it. It has a spare. Tires are flat. Hitch
doesn't have ball clasp, so I have to chain it on and tow it five miles to
my house. Go pump up the tires and drag it home. Plan is, I'm going to
use it for hauling around my ranch property. SWMBO rolls eyes, seeing it as
another one of my pointless endless worthless projects. I see hubcaps and
chrome wheel rings. Average condition Put a set of three hubcaps and three
rings on Ebay. Get $148. Advertise the trailer on Craigslist, get $35.

I guess there are people who would have told me the trailer was useless. I
don't always listen to people. My Daddy could swear to that.

Steve

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In article , says...

Pawn Stars is a good show, and I like it. Much more than that schmuck on
Hard Core Pawn. I bet he got his ass kicked a lot in school. But how many
times do they say, "In order to make any money, I have to get this for
cheap."? Cheap for them is 25% of retail. If I was in that business, I'd
do the same time. If you listen clearly, they double or triple their money
on most things. And that's just the stuff they tell you about. Lots and
lots goes in and out for cash. Lots of pawn shops give you $20 on an item
and sell it for $300.

Cheap around here is 10% or less.

eg. If we sold one of the first editions we own to an antiquarian book
dealer we'd get a few hundred bucks. The right auction would net us
significantly more in a random sorta way. The book's street value is
however, at least 10 times the dollar value at the dealers.

Steve B wrote:

Pawn Stars is a good show, and I like it. Much more than that
schmuck on Hard Core Pawn. I bet he got his ass kicked a lot in
school. But how many times do they say, "In order to make any money,
I have to get this for cheap."? Cheap for them is 25% of retail. If
I was in that business, I'd do the same time. If you listen clearly,
they double or triple their money on most things. And that's just
the stuff they tell you about. Lots and lots goes in and out for
cash. Lots of pawn shops give you $20 on an item and sell it for
$300.

Psst! Most retail shops buy most of their merchandise from wholesalers at
half what the selling price will be. Don't spread this around as many will
get really upset over being ripped-off !