Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam

On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

In article 8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

On Feb 3, 8:54*pm, sam wrote:
In article 8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

Man, do I have to spell it out for you?

Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

In article fe7855bc-ffe7-4808-8ab3-
,
says...

On Feb 3, 8:54*pm, sam wrote:
In article 8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

Man, do I have to spell it out for you?

Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

Got it. Good idea.

Thanks,

s

On 2/3/2011 8:57 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:54 pm, wrote:
In article8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...







On Feb 3, 8:41 pm, wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

Man, do I have to spell it out for you?

Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

Besides even though is a knock off, it still could be valuable, and
worth significantly more that the cost of repair. Don't you watch
Antiques Roadshow? ;-)

knuttle writes:
On 2/3/2011 8:57 PM, Robatoy wrote:


Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

Besides even though is a knock off, it still could be valuable, and
worth significantly more that the cost of repair. Don't you watch
Antiques Roadshow? ;-)

Someone just brought one into Pawn Stars, and they wouldn't even buy it,
once it was determined to be a knock off (even if it was 100 years old).

That's worthless.

scott

On Feb 3, 7:57*pm, Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 3, 8:54*pm, sam wrote:



In article 8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

Man, do I have to spell it out for you?

Get quote.
Ask why so much.
He'll explain what he has to do.
Knowledge.

Agree - - A good luthier will be able to tell you if there is value in
the instrument before you start dinkin' with it. An old, European
violin was brought into our museum about a year ago. It was owned by
one of the Nuns who ran the frontier boarding school and music program
in our 1880's home town. We were delighted to have it as an
artifact. Had a luthier look at it and, in rough condition, it is
worth more than $4,000.

Be nice to know before you start applying the epoxy and duct
tape. )

RonB

On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:54:47 -0600, sam wrote:

In article 8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
, says...

On Feb 3, 8:41*pm, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

It likely wouldn't resonate with that goop on it. Howzbout brown duct
tape?

--
Woe be to him that reads but one book.
-- George Herbert

On 02/03/2011 06:54 PM, sam wrote:
In article8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Feb 3, 8:41 pm, wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

If this one is a total loss, and if you're ambitious, try this:

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Deluxe-Violin-Kit/H3099

In article om,
says...

On 02/03/2011 06:54 PM, sam wrote:
In article8dfd0529-a457-4acd-a17d-0ec020738876
@n10g2000yqf.googlegroups.com, says...

On Feb 3, 8:41 pm, wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Take it to a luthier and get a quote.

There is absolutely no way I'm spending money
to get this restored. I just want it to play.

s

If this one is a total loss, and if you're ambitious, try this:

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Deluxe-Violin-Kit/H3099

Thanks, Doug. I'm not much for kits. I watched a video
of a guy who made one by re-sawing some pieces and
matching the grain on the back. It looked just great.
That's the crazy kind of thing I'd like to try one
of these days.

I'm really curious what this old violin will sound like
when I get it glued up. I hope it has an awesome tone.

s

On 2/3/2011 11:41 PM, sam wrote:

I'm really curious what this old violin will sound like
when I get it glued up. I hope it has an awesome tone.

s

If you just glue it up with whatever, it won't. If it has
any value and you really want it to sound like anything
you need to get somebody that knows what they are doing
to fix it. A good violin is a precision instrument.

Bill

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

In article , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

sam wrote:
In , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

Sam,

If you want to read more along these lines, you might browse the "setup
and repair" forums at: http://www.fiddlehangout.com/
There are also several experts there that will probably be glad to help
you with your questions. Be prepared to invest more time than the
instrument's probably worth and read a bunch before you do anything.
Do you realize that just to get the tuning pegs to work "nicely", you
may spend close to $100 on tools? Maybe you should take it to a luthier
as has already suggested by others? If you aren't committed to doing
this sort of thing as a hobby, I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

http://www.stewmac.com/Shopping?&off...h&sort =score
desc

Bill

In article , says...

sam wrote:
In , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

Sam,

If you want to read more along these lines, you might browse the "setup
and repair" forums at: http://www.fiddlehangout.com/
There are also several experts there that will probably be glad to help
you with your questions. Be prepared to invest more time than the
instrument's probably worth and read a bunch before you do anything.
Do you realize that just to get the tuning pegs to work "nicely", you
may spend close to $100 on tools? Maybe you should take it to a luthier
as has already suggested by others? If you aren't committed to doing
this sort of thing as a hobby, I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

http://www.stewmac.com/Shopping?&off...h&sort =score
desc

Bill

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the great links. I'm going to wait until
summer when I'm in full woodworking mode and I'll
study up and try to do it right.

Thanks again,

Sam

On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:12:23 -0600, sam wrote:

In article , says...

sam wrote:
In , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

Sam,

If you want to read more along these lines, you might browse the "setup
and repair" forums at: http://www.fiddlehangout.com/
There are also several experts there that will probably be glad to help
you with your questions. Be prepared to invest more time than the
instrument's probably worth and read a bunch before you do anything.
Do you realize that just to get the tuning pegs to work "nicely", you
may spend close to $100 on tools? Maybe you should take it to a luthier
as has already suggested by others? If you aren't committed to doing
this sort of thing as a hobby, I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

http://www.stewmac.com/Shopping?&off...h&sort =score
desc

Bill

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the great links. I'm going to wait until
summer when I'm in full woodworking mode and I'll
study up and try to do it right.

If you decide to take up the violin and can't fix that one within a
tight budget, grab one from an eBay vendor for as little as $25.
They're handsomely made, good sounding instruments, too. I doubled my
money selling it locally for half the price the locals get for similar
instruments. (My neck didn't like the fiddlin' position at all so I
had to give it up before I learned much.)

http://tinyurl.com/62hrgkg $24, $19 to ship.
Violin, bow, rosin, strings, case, tuner.

http://tinyurl.com/63a3qvp $2 auction, $19 to ship.

--
Woe be to him that reads but one book.
-- George Herbert

Bill wrote:
sam wrote:
In , says...

sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam


Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water). The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No
kidding!

Bill

Thanks, Bill. Looks like it will be cooked
hide glue for me.

s

Sam,

If you want to read more along these lines, you might browse the "setup
and repair" forums at: http://www.fiddlehangout.com/
There are also several experts there that will probably be glad to help
you with your questions. Be prepared to invest more time than the
instrument's probably worth and read a bunch before you do anything. Do
you realize that just to get the tuning pegs to work "nicely", you may
spend close to $100 on tools? Maybe you should take it to a luthier as
has already suggested by others? If you aren't committed to doing this
sort of thing as a hobby, I think the argument to do so is compelling.
Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

http://www.stewmac.com/Shopping?&off...h&sort =score
desc

Bill



Try
http://www.mimf.com/

I think the argument to do so is
compelling. *Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

Bill

Do you know of a similar site for harps?

Thanks
Bob AZ

Bob AZ wrote:
I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find interesting:

Bill

Do you know of a similar site for harps?

Thanks
Bob AZ


I regret that I don't.

F. Murtz's suggestion to look at http://www.mimf.com/
is probably a good place to ask, though I haven't checked on the
existence of a harp newsgroup.

Bill

?
"Bob AZ" wrote in message
...
I think the argument to do so is
compelling. Here's a link to some parts and tools you may find
interesting:

Bill

Do you know of a similar site for harps?

Thanks
Bob AZ

The Irish can't use that site?

On Feb 3, 9:48*pm, Bill wrote:
sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)

Thanks,

Sam

Out of respect for the instrument, and to help provide it with a long
lifetime, you are supposed to use "hide glue" (it is melted it in a
cooking pot of hot water).

140 F to be precise.

The advantage is that the instrument can then
be easily taken apart when necessary. *Besides for reasons having to do
with sound, using epoxy will seal the instruments fate permanently.
BTW, removing any of the instruments finish is is an offense considered
punishable by a fate worse than being boiled like hide glue. No kidding!

Bill- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hide glue can not only be disassembled easily (some
routine maintenance jobs call for it), it can be reglued
without having to scrape out the old glue. Even after
300 years, the old glue is reactivated by the new.

Hide glue also doesn't creep, like almost every other
modern glue.

On 2/3/2011 7:41 PM, sam wrote:
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam

I have what is most likely the same violin with the same label. Mine is
German student violin made around the late 1800, early 1900 period and
was appraised at $400 30 years ago.

These were everywhere in the country during the early 19th century.

Still, as Rob said, take it to get it appraised.

Does it have a bow? If so, that is one good reason to get it appraised,
as often those old bows are ten times what the violin is.

Hide glue is the only way to repair a violin if you want to keep both
the value of the instrument and the tone.

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"sam" wrote in message
...
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam

Sam,

I've got a guy here that does this type of repair work. If you decide to
farm it out, let me know and I'll put you in touch with him.
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If you are determined to do it yourself, use hot hide glue, but please have
it appraised first. The others are correct, except for the brown duct tape,
should be yellow to comply with OSHA:-)
Joe M
"sam" wrote in message
...
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam

"sam" wrote in message
...
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam

I'd take it to a reputable shop before I even dusted it off. They can be
worth money, unless screwed up by an amateur restorer. They may not be the
million dollar ones, but they still can command good dough if not screwed up
with some drywall screws and Gorilla Glue. Some of the copies are worth
thousands. As mentioned before, a good shop will give you an itemized list
of the work they will do, and what they will charge. They will also, (If
you are a good talker) tell you how much it will be worth AFTER restoration.
Anyone with a room temperature IQ can do the math and see which is the
bigger number. And then, if it is just a break even deal, you might want to
play around with it, and try to DIY. But I'd know for sure before I'd start
hacking on it.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
Download the book.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

"Steve B" wrote in message ...


"sam" wrote in message
...
Found an old Stradivarius knockoff with some
cracks that need gluing. I'm not looking to
make some kind of profit on this. I just want
it to play. Is it some kind of sacrilege to
use old fashioned epoxy resin to fix it?

It's one of the many that says
Antonius Stradivarius Cremonensis
Faciebat Anno 17(40 written in)


Thanks,

Sam

I'd take it to a reputable shop before I even dusted it off. They can be
worth money, unless screwed up by an amateur restorer. They may not be the
million dollar ones, but they still can command good dough if not screwed up
with some drywall screws and Gorilla Glue. Some of the copies are worth
thousands. As mentioned before, a good shop will give you an itemized list
of the work they will do, and what they will charge. They will also, (If
you are a good talker) tell you how much it will be worth AFTER restoration.
Anyone with a room temperature IQ can do the math and see which is the
bigger number. And then, if it is just a break even deal, you might want to
play around with it, and try to DIY. But I'd know for sure before I'd start
hacking on it.

Steve

Heart surgery pending?
Read up and prepare.
Learn how to care for a friend.
Download the book.
http://cabgbypasssurgery.com

I mentioned this to my wife's cousin who plays first violin for the NJ
Symphony and owns a Strad. According to him there are Strads and Cremonies
that aren't worth crap as players. All there value is in the builders mark.
On the other hand there are Yamahas that are tremendous players but only
cost a few hundred bucks.
The only thing to do is to get the violin appraised and a repair estimate.
There is a good chance that if there is one crack, there is something else
that needs regluing.