From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.

--

MJ

Army 1966 - 1970

" wrote in news:5c65203f-6678-
:

From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.

--

MJ

Army 1966 - 1970

I'll be eternally thankful to all veterans, especially those who liberated
Europe in WWII.

My hat off to all veterans!

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Han wrote:
" wrote in
news:5c65203f-6678-
:

From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.

--

MJ

Army 1966 - 1970

I'll be eternally thankful to all veterans, especially those who
liberated Europe in WWII.

My hat off to all veterans!


With all due respects to your veterans Han, there were a few other countries
who were actually fighting from 1939 to 1945.

America entered the war in December 1941 and then *HELPED* to liberate
Europe, along with the British, Anzac, Canadian, Indian, Polish, French,
Russian and many other armies - as *THEY* helped America to defeat the
Japanese.

America was also late entering the war to end all wars 1914 - 1918 and only
participating from 1917.

Please read a true history on those conflicts before you infer that America
won anything single handily.


Once again, my respects to *ALL* the allies that fought and died in war.

"Disbelief" wrote in
:

Han wrote:
" wrote in
news:5c65203f-6678-
:

From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.

--

MJ

Army 1966 - 1970

I'll be eternally thankful to all veterans, especially those who
liberated Europe in WWII.

My hat off to all veterans!


With all due respects to your veterans Han, there were a few other
countries who were actually fighting from 1939 to 1945.

America entered the war in December 1941 and then *HELPED* to liberate
Europe, along with the British, Anzac, Canadian, Indian, Polish,
French, Russian and many other armies - as *THEY* helped America to
defeat the Japanese.

America was also late entering the war to end all wars 1914 - 1918 and
only participating from 1917.

Please read a true history on those conflicts before you infer that
America won anything single handily.


Once again, my respects to *ALL* the allies that fought and died in
war.

Disbelief, I think you are misinterpreting my words. I said ALL
veterans. Most f Holland (where I grew up) was liberated by Brits and
Canadiens. My high school was on the General Foulkes Road, the Canadian
general who accepted the surrender of the Germans in Holland in the town
where I grew up, Wageningen. That is about 8 miles from Arnhem, where
many Poles, Brits, Canadians and others died in Operation Market Garden
(the movie A Bridge Too Far). I could go on ...


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Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

On 11/11/2010 4:26 PM, Han wrote:

Disbelief, I think you are misinterpreting my words. I said ALL
veterans. Most f Holland (where I grew up) was liberated by Brits and
Canadiens. My high school was on the General Foulkes Road, the Canadian
general who accepted the surrender of the Germans in Holland in the town
where I grew up, Wageningen. That is about 8 miles from Arnhem, where
many Poles, Brits, Canadians and others died in Operation Market Garden
(the movie A Bridge Too Far). I could go on ...

You're wasting your time, Han ... that's not what he's up to.

Trolls can try to revise history, but they can't change the facts for
the following WW II Allied military dead (estimated, as in all war
casualties) who are remembered on this day:

British Empire and Commonwealth 452.000
France 250.000
USA 295.000
Soviet Union 13.600.000
Belgium 10.000
Holland 10.000
Norway 10.000
Poland 120.000
Greece 20.000
Yugoslavia 300.000
Checoslovaquia 20.000
China 3.500.000


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On Nov 11, 10:58*pm, Swingman wrote:

British Empire and Commonwealth 452.000
France * * * * * * * * * * * * *250.000
USA * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 295.000
Soviet Union * * * * * * * * 13.600.000
Belgium * * * * * * * * * * * * *10.000
Holland * * * * * * * * * * * * *10.000
Norway * * * * * * * * * * * * * 10.000
Poland * * * * * * * * * * * * *120.000
Greece * * * * * * * * * * * * * 20.000
Yugoslavia * * * * * * * * * * *300.000
Checoslovaquia * * * * * * * * * 20.000
China * * * * * * * * * * * * 3.500.000


Oh man, that's a grotesque set of numbers. Just on the off-chance,
have you ever seen Blackadder Goes Forth? Specifically the last
episode? That'll choke you.

In article , disbelief@diilly-
daally....invalid.com says...

Han wrote:
" wrote in
news:5c65203f-6678-
:

From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.

--

MJ

Army 1966 - 1970

I'll be eternally thankful to all veterans, especially those who
liberated Europe in WWII.

My hat off to all veterans!


With all due respects to your veterans Han, there were a few other countries
who were actually fighting from 1939 to 1945.

America entered the war in December 1941 and then *HELPED* to liberate
Europe, along with the British, Anzac, Canadian, Indian, Polish, French,
Russian and many other armies - as *THEY* helped America to defeat the
Japanese.

And another whiny twit plonked.

America was also late entering the war to end all wars 1914 - 1918 and only
participating from 1917.

Please read a true history on those conflicts before you infer that America
won anything single handily.


Once again, my respects to *ALL* the allies that fought and died in war.

On Nov 11, 12:06*pm, Han wrote:
" wrote in news:5c65203f-6678-
:

From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.

--

MJ

Army 1966 - 1970

I'll be eternally thankful to all veterans, especially those who liberated
Europe in WWII.

My hat off to all veterans!

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Ditto.

During an interview a WWII vet was asked if he considered himself a
hero, having landed at Normandy.... he thought for a moment and said:
"Naw...the heroes all died....."

Misplaced apostrophe, should
be Veterans, not Veteran's.

But still the sentiment is the same.

Thanks.

MJ

On 11/11/10 12:28 PM, wrote:
Misplaced apostrophe, should
be Veterans, not Veteran's.


ehem..... Veterans' Day
in any case, I think most just leave out the apostrophe, altogether.

Irony aside, thank you to any woodworking veterans in this group.
You willingness to serve in my stead for my freedom is not something I
take lightly.
You have my utmost respect and gratitude.


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-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 11/11/2010 10:58 AM, wrote:
From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.

Army 1966 - 1970

Backatcha: Army 1968 - 1972

On that same note:

http://blog.woodworkingtooltips.com/...-independence/

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A snappy salute to my late father, four tiny bronze stars on each of his WW
II United States Army Air Corps medals in the Pacific Theater.

Steve

A hearty salute to every serviceman past and present.

Steve

wrote in message
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From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.



Isn't this an international group?

Tim w

On 11/11/2010 2:44 PM, Tim W wrote:
wrote in message
...
From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.



Isn't this an international group?

What does that have to do with it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day


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"Swingman" wrote in message
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On 11/11/2010 2:44 PM, Tim W wrote:
wrote in message
...
From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.



Isn't this an international group?

What does that have to do with it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day

Leave it to the Brits to screw up Remembrance day.

Disarming Remembrance Day

November 9, 2010: A hundred teenage members of the British Army Cadet Force
in Plymouth have been suddenly told that they would not be able to carry
rifles, as they traditionally have, during the annual November 11th
Remembrance Day parade. The reason given was that it was inappropriate to
have the teenage cadets carrying rifles in public because it glamorizes
weapons. The cadets disagreed, but the decision stood.

The Army Cadet Force began 160 years ago as an organization for boys who
were intent on eventually joining the militia (a local defense tradition
dating back over a thousand years). The Cadet Corps quickly became a
national organization and was supported by the British Army as a way to
introduce teenage boys to the military, and help recruiting. The Army Cadet
Force lost its government funding in the 1920s, but continued via donations
from individuals and local organizations. The Army Cadet Force was similar
to the Boy Scouts (also founded in Britain), but with a more military
orientation. This included the local cadets marching in Remembrance Day
parades, often with the rifles they had learned to use, and had practiced
drilling with. Girls were allowed to join the Army Cadet Force in the 1980s.

Currently, there are about 1,700 Army Cadet Force detachments, with 47,000
cadets and 8,500 adult staff and instructors. With the decline in the number
of veterans (conscription was abolished in the 1950s and the armed forces
has been shrinking ever since), more and more of the adult staff have had no
military experience. Thus the emphasis on military matters has declined, and
the Army Cadet Force was increasingly described by its leadership as a
youth, not military, organization. As a result of this, ten years ago, a new
rule was introduced that eliminated cadets carrying rifles during parades.
But the rule was not always enforced. This year, in Plymouth, it was. This
got some media attention, especially since the cadets had carried their
rifles in a parade two months ago. The sudden decision to enforce the "no
rifles" rule was attributed to complaints from members of the public. But
it's actually been a long term trend.

Remembrance Day commemorates the end of World War I, and has come to be an
event that honors all war dead. Remembrance Day events are held in Britain,
and most Allied countries who participated in World War I. In the U.S.,
November 11th is called Veterans Day, because Americans commemorate the war
dead on Memorial Day in May, an occasion that dates to the 19th century
custom of honoring the dead of the American Civil War (1861-5), and later
modified to cover the dead from all American wars. Thus the November 11
commemorations in Europe and the British Commonwealth, are a bigger deal
than they are in the United States.

Lee Michaels wrote:
"Swingman" wrote in message
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On 11/11/2010 2:44 PM, Tim W wrote:
wrote in message
...
From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.



Isn't this an international group?

What does that have to do with it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day

Leave it to the Brits to screw up Remembrance day.

Disarming Remembrance Day

November 9, 2010: A hundred teenage members of the British Army Cadet
Force in Plymouth have been suddenly told that they would not be able
to carry rifles, as they traditionally have, during the annual
November 11th Remembrance Day parade. The reason given was that it
was inappropriate to have the teenage cadets carrying rifles in
public because it glamorizes weapons. The cadets disagreed, but the
decision stood.

Snipped

From a Brit.

You really don't need to carry arms to remember those that fell in war, in
fact, there were millions in the UK who didn't. This isn't America where
carrying arms is almost mandatory and guns are worshipped as gods!

Let us do as we wish, as you do in your country - after all, that's what the
men who fought these wars died for.

"Disbelief" wrote

From a Brit.

You really don't need to carry arms to remember those that fell in war, in
fact, there were millions in the UK who didn't. This isn't America where
carrying arms is almost mandatory and guns are worshipped as gods!

Let us do as we wish, as you do in your country - after all, that's what
the men who fought these wars died for.
You Brits have taken weapons phobia to new heights. You have brainwashed
chefs proclaiming there is no needs for cooking knives. We get media
reports on a semi regular basis that shows one more idiotic example of you
you are turning into a siisified nanny state. And there are many folks in
the US who are trying to do this here as well.

Is that what they fought and died for? To be a bunch of sissies?

Subject

I'm old enough to remember when Nov 11 was celebrated as "Armistice
Day" in honor of those who served in WWI.

First celebrated to remember "The eleventh month, the eleventh day,
the eleventh hour".

The change to "Veteran's Day is a rather recent event.

Lew

On 11/11/2010 5:29 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:
Subject

I'm old enough to remember when Nov 11 was celebrated as "Armistice
Day" in honor of those who served in WWI.

First celebrated to remember "The eleventh month, the eleventh day,
the eleventh hour".

The change to "Veteran's Day is a rather recent event.

Depends upon the perspective of age:

June 1, 1954

My 25 daughter thinks it has always been that way ... and it has, to her.




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wrote in message
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From one veteran to all others:

I want to thank you for your service to our country.

Hope you're having a great day.

--

MJ

Army 1966 - 1970


Same to you and all other vets.

Max
US Army, 1949-1953
1st Cav. Korea, '50 - '51

It is absolutely incredible to me that a three line, heartfelt post
expressing appreciation for military veterans can be turned into the
normal, whiny sewage this group turns out.

How?

How could some of you hijack a three sentence thread and turn it into
a pedantic, snotty diatribe on your personal off topic opinions? WTF
is the matter with you guys?

All of us owe a great debt to those who have served and are serving.
All of us. Every single one.

To turn this thread into anything but an expression of that thought is
petty and enormously selfish. Shame on some of you. So damn little
is done these days to show how much we care about our veterans,
especially those in need.

Shame on you.

As a small bit of show of my appreciation for a job well done, I will
be serving the soldiers and their families dinner on Sunday at Brook
Army Medical Center at the Intrepid facility. Their Veteran's Day
dinner is held this weekend so that their families can be off work and
school to come visit them in the hospital.

http://www.fallenheroesfund.org/About-IFHF.aspx

With the time and energy spent here with pedantic squabbling and wry
political observations, why not REALLY give **** and do something
besides talk about it? The link above has a button for anyone wanting
to donate.

Time around the brave soldiers at the center that have been brutally
maimed is profoundly humbling. To see their struggle towards recovery
will bring you to tears. Only one of my friends can take an evening
of it, and it is gut wrenching. To have them **thank me** for
volunteering makes me really, completely uncomfortable. It's just a
few days of coordination and on evening on my part. For them? These
guys are "catastrophically" wounded. Their lives are starting over.

But on the other hand, an afternoon and evening with them can be
rewarding as hell. I am pleased to be able to help where I can. I
will also be on a fact finding mission Sunday to see if how many want
a good cigar for the courtyard outside to smoke during Sunday night
football. Cigars always seem to cheer these guys up, even though 99%
of them never really smoke them.

Those guys are what the day is about. You guys can take any thread
you want to twist into a political rant or a pulpit to for your
opinions Let this thread be.

I would personally like to extend my heartfelt thanks and gratitude to
all that have served and are serving.

Robert

A lot of unburned off energy on this group.

It's real easy...just like this.

Can you cite any references for your stupid claims?


LOL

wrote in message
...
It is absolutely incredible to me that a three line, heartfelt post
expressing appreciation for military veterans can be turned into the
normal, whiny sewage this group turns out.

How?

How could some of you hijack a three sentence thread and turn it into
a pedantic, snotty diatribe on your personal off topic opinions? WTF
is the matter with you guys?

All of us owe a great debt to those who have served and are serving.
All of us. Every single one.

To turn this thread into anything but an expression of that thought is
petty and enormously selfish. Shame on some of you. So damn little
is done these days to show how much we care about our veterans,
especially those in need.

Shame on you.

As a small bit of show of my appreciation for a job well done, I will
be serving the soldiers and their families dinner on Sunday at Brook
Army Medical Center at the Intrepid facility. Their Veteran's Day
dinner is held this weekend so that their families can be off work and
school to come visit them in the hospital.

http://www.fallenheroesfund.org/About-IFHF.aspx

With the time and energy spent here with pedantic squabbling and wry
political observations, why not REALLY give **** and do something
besides talk about it? The link above has a button for anyone wanting
to donate.

Time around the brave soldiers at the center that have been brutally
maimed is profoundly humbling. To see their struggle towards recovery
will bring you to tears. Only one of my friends can take an evening
of it, and it is gut wrenching. To have them **thank me** for
volunteering makes me really, completely uncomfortable. It's just a
few days of coordination and on evening on my part. For them? These
guys are "catastrophically" wounded. Their lives are starting over.

But on the other hand, an afternoon and evening with them can be
rewarding as hell. I am pleased to be able to help where I can. I
will also be on a fact finding mission Sunday to see if how many want
a good cigar for the courtyard outside to smoke during Sunday night
football. Cigars always seem to cheer these guys up, even though 99%
of them never really smoke them.

Those guys are what the day is about. You guys can take any thread
you want to twist into a political rant or a pulpit to for your
opinions Let this thread be.

I would personally like to extend my heartfelt thanks and gratitude to
all that have served and are serving.

Robert

In article ,
says...

A lot of unburned off energy on this group.

It's real easy...just like this.

Can you cite any references for your stupid claims?


LOL

Josepi, FOAD.

plonk

Finally exposed yourself again. How many times and how long have you been
waiting to find something to not laugh at?..ROFLMFAO

SUFO


"J. Clarke" wrote in message
in.local...
Josepi, FOAD.

plonk




In article ,
says...

A lot of unburned off energy on this group.

It's real easy...just like this.

Can you cite any references for your stupid claims?


LOL

wrote in message
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It is absolutely incredible to me ....
[snipped everything]

I don't intend to get into a debate about Veteran's Day so we will skip
that.

I am working class man, a socialist and a pacifist. I am sure you hate my
politics and I can tell you the feeling is totally mutual.

I don't come to this group posting stuff about the US military and all the
crimes they commit and if I did you would probably have a lot to say about
it. So why is it so incredible that posts about how great the US military is
should provoke a response? Don't you know that waving your flag around is
offensive and provocative? Welcome to the big wide world.

Tim W

In article ,
says...

wrote in message
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It is absolutely incredible to me ....
[snipped everything]

I don't intend to get into a debate about Veteran's Day so we will skip
that.

I am working class man, a socialist and a pacifist. I am sure you hate my
politics and I can tell you the feeling is totally mutual.

I don't come to this group posting stuff about the US military and all the
crimes they commit and if I did you would probably have a lot to say about
it. So why is it so incredible that posts about how great the US military is
should provoke a response? Don't you know that waving your flag around is
offensive and provocative? Welcome to the big wide world.

Didn't your mother ever teach you that there are times when if you can't
say something nice you shouldn't say anything? If not, there are such
times, and Veteran's Day is one of them.

"J. Clarke" wrote in message
in.local...

Didn't your mother ever teach you that there are times when if you can't
say something nice you shouldn't say anything? If not, there are such
times, and Veteran's Day is one of them.


Exactly right. I am in total agreement.

Tim W

Tim W wrote:
wrote in message
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It is absolutely incredible to me ....
[snipped everything]

I don't intend to get into a debate about Veteran's Day so we will
skip that.

I am working class man, a socialist and a pacifist. I am sure you
hate my politics and I can tell you the feeling is totally mutual.

I don't come to this group posting stuff about the US military and
all the crimes they commit and if I did you would probably have a lot
to say about it. So why is it so incredible that posts about how
great the US military is should provoke a response? Don't you know
that waving your flag around is offensive and provocative? Welcome to
the big wide world.
Tim W

I guess it just sucks to be you then.

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Mike Marlow wrote:
Tim W wrote:
wrote in message
...
It is absolutely incredible to me ....
[snipped everything]

I don't intend to get into a debate about Veteran's Day so we will
skip that.

I am working class man, a socialist and a pacifist. I am sure you
hate my politics and I can tell you the feeling is totally mutual.

I don't come to this group posting stuff about the US military and
all the crimes they commit and if I did you would probably have a lot
to say about it. So why is it so incredible that posts about how
great the US military is should provoke a response? Don't you know
that waving your flag around is offensive and provocative? Welcome to
the big wide world.
Tim W

I guess it just sucks to be you then.

That's the trouble with many Yanks, they're big, thick, mean and won't
accept any other opinion than theirs - even if that opinion is wrong.

Believe me, in the great wide world (outside the USA borders that is), one
of the most detested flags is "Old Glory", which to many, is synonymous with
violence, greed, intransigence, bully-boy tactics, torture [1] and total
lack of compassion.

Since the fall of the USSR superpower, the brakes seem to have been removed
and Americans now want not only to run their own country, but the rest of
the world as well under their own dogma - and woe-betide those that
disagree.

[1] As authorised by the dumbest president you ever had, George Walker
Bush, who during his presidency and in cahoots with his backers, has caused
the world to be a far more dangerous place - along with the death and injury
of thousands of American servicemen *AND* women (who you recently had cause
to remember on your Veterans Day) for no other reason that the pure lust for
oil from Arabian countries - no matter what the cost in lives.

Before you spout off your vitriol: 9/11 was not the cause of the invasion of
Iraq, there was no danger to America or the rest of the world there, and
neither was Al Qaeda.

Think I'm wrong, well look well beyond the end of the American nose and take
a great big sniff!