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Another Planer Question
I've been looking for a 15" planer for a long time.
There's a used Grizzly 1021 available, locally, for about $500.... I haven't inspected it, yet. I will definitely be planing 12" - 15" boards. Did a search for reviews: Seems the consensus about this planer is that the 2 hp motor is too weak for moderate/frequent use on wide boards. I've almost convinced myself to get a new G0453 or comparable, instead of continuing to look for an adequatly powered used planer. Listings for the G0453 seem to indicate the blades (~$50) and the blade setter (~$100) don't come with the machine... have to purchase them separately, or am I wrong? Is 2 hp too weak for planing wide boards? Is there a better 15" planer, $1200 and under, than the G0453? Sonny |
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On 4/12/2010 8:32 PM, Sonny wrote:
I've been looking for a 15" planer for a long time. There's a used Grizzly 1021 available, locally, for about $500.... I haven't inspected it, yet. I will definitely be planing 12" - 15" boards. Did a search for reviews: Seems the consensus about this planer is that the 2 hp motor is too weak for moderate/frequent use on wide boards. I've almost convinced myself to get a new G0453 or comparable, instead of continuing to look for an adequatly powered used planer. Listings for the G0453 seem to indicate the blades (~$50) and the blade setter (~$100) don't come with the machine... have to purchase them separately, or am I wrong? The G0453 comes with knives installed and already adjusted, and the knife adjustment gauge is also included with the machine. Is 2 hp too weak for planing wide boards? That's a big "it depends", but in all likelihood: Yes. "2HP" isn't very meaningful without the specifications such as amperage, motor RPM, cutterhead RPM, feed rate, etc., but in general I'd say that if you truly need 15" capacity you should be looking at 220V machines with 3HP induction motors like the G0453. Is there a better 15" planer, $1200 and under, than the G0453? If there is I didn't find one. It's built like a tank and has power to spare. -- See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad! To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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Another Planer Question
On Apr 12, 8:32*pm, Sonny wrote:
I've been looking for a 15" planer for a long time. There's a used Grizzly 1021 available, locally, for about $500.... I haven't inspected it, yet. *I will definitely be planing 12" - 15" boards. *Did a search for reviews: *Seems the consensus about this planer is that the 2 hp motor is too weak for moderate/frequent use on wide boards. I've almost convinced myself to get a new G0453 or comparable, instead of continuing to look for an adequatly powered used planer. *Listings for the G0453 seem to indicate the blades (~$50) and the blade setter (~$100) don't come with the machine... have to purchase them separately, or am I wrong? Is 2 hp too weak for planing wide boards? Is there a better 15" planer, $1200 and under, than the G0453? Sonny My dad has a precursor to the G0453 (no recollection of the model number) -- undermounted 3HP motor, stationary planer, two speed mechanical feed, straight blades with no fancy helical carbide inserts. 3HP will take a pretty decent swipe a 13" board (about the widest I've ever put through it). But 10-12" hard maple makes it grunt even on a fairly light pass with relatively fresh blades. It's wicked noisy. I'd have to get a heck of a deal before going down to 2 HP. One thing that you might do is keep an eye out for an old Woodmaster or Foley-Belsaw planer molder -- I picked up a 12" FB with 5HP motor for about $250 a couple of years ago on CL. I figured it was a no- brainer and I could probably part it out if I missed something when I looked it over or even if I had to dump a couple hundred into new feed rollers etc I'd come out ok. I have only ever used the FB as a planer and have never cut molding with it. It has been a decent planer for the 1500 to 2000 sf of red and white oak I've put through it. I've never pushed it to the point of abuse, but it's never bogged down cleaning up 11" wide white oak glue ups or running two 5" boards side by side. I inherited my late brother's 5HP 12" Woodmaster which I use for molding, gang rip, and as a drum sander -- but I've never planed with it. Big moldings knives will make it sweat, as will aggressive sanding. FB has a one speed chain and sprocket feed; the Woodmaster has continuously variable speed feed. All that being said, how important is 15" compared to 12" -- even if you have 15" stock will you really be finishing it whole or ripping it down? The only big advantage I find for wider blades is that you can go a little longer between changes by using different sections of the cutters. Sharpening is wash since my local guy charges by length. hex -30- |
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Another Planer Question
I have an older version of about the same planer that you found
available locally. It is also a 2hp model, made in Taiwan, I think. I use it only occasionally and have planed 12 inch boards, max. But I have had it for over 20 years, so I have some experience with the breed. One one hand, it works for me. I plane mostly hard woods, like maple, and oak. I'd say it all depends on how much you are going to use it and how much cranking it up and down you want to do to get a light enough cut on the wider boards. But, here's another thought: If the money is really important, why not consider getting that planer and then upgrading to a 3 hp motor? My planer came either way. The instructions tell me that they added a little 1/16" inch shim to prevent the used form taking too deep a cut with the 2 hp model, so upgrading shouldn't be an issue. Also, mine came wired for 120 volts even though the motor can go either 120 or 240. I am just too lazy to rewire to 240, but I am sure that would give me more ummph. You would probably have to upgrade the starter, too, but I think HF and maybe Grizzly or someone like that has reasonably priced stuff. May biggest concern, (if that planer is like mine): -Make sure that the power feed knob is all the way out (there's a detent). I didn't pay attention that once and it allowed the drive gears to be in partial mesh. Since those gears aren't hardened, they got chewed up a little bit then they wouldn't engage. I tore down the drive assy, cleaned up the gears, etc. and reassembled it. That was about 5 years ago and it has been working fine ever since. Pete Stanaitis --------------- Sonny wrote: I've been looking for a 15" planer for a long time. There's a used Grizzly 1021 available, locally, for about $500.... I haven't inspected it, yet. I will definitely be planing 12" - 15" boards. Did a search for reviews: Seems the consensus about this planer is that the 2 hp motor is too weak for moderate/frequent use on wide boards. I've almost convinced myself to get a new G0453 or comparable, instead of continuing to look for an adequatly powered used planer. Listings for the G0453 seem to indicate the blades (~$50) and the blade setter (~$100) don't come with the machine... have to purchase them separately, or am I wrong? Is 2 hp too weak for planing wide boards? Is there a better 15" planer, $1200 and under, than the G0453? Sonny |
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Another Planer Question
spaco wrote:
.... Also, mine came wired for 120 volts even though the motor can go either 120 or 240. I am just too lazy to rewire to 240, but I am sure that would give me more ummph. .... NO!!! Big (but widespread) misconception here... Only if your wiring is too small for the 120V amperage and you have significant voltage drop. The supply voltage doesn't make any difference on a dual-voltage motor as to the power; it merely reduces the current draw. -- |
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Another Planer Question
Is there a better 15" planer, $1200 and under, than the G0453?
Sonny Well... if you don't mind used, it looks like you could easily get a 15" Powermatic with 5hp motor for less than $1200. I took a quick look on Exfactory but ebay and craigs might give up some gold also. My 1960's PMs are still working fine so you shou;d be OK http://www.exfactory.com/equipment.a...ort=spnetprice |
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