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What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's
powerful enough to penetrate pine? I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars. I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds. I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter. Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how loud they are compared to the Duo Fast gun? I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way. Thanks. Robert |
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I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink.
On Mar 25, 10:30*am, Robert Montgomery info-bl...@northern-data- tech.net wrote: What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's powerful enough to penetrate pine? I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars. I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds. I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter. Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how loud they are compared to the Duo Fast gun? I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way. Thanks. Robert |
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I'm an upholsterer and I've had a Senco SWF10XP ($125) for 5 years.
Excellent air stapler and it uses a variety of staple brands (Senco C, FASCO 7C, BEA 71, and others). Sonny |
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On 03/25/2010 12:27 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink. I hope it's quieter than the medium crown stapler I used to put down underlayment. It was more like "BLAM!". ![]() Chris |
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On 2010-03-25, Chris Friesen wrote:
I hope it's quieter than the medium crown stapler I used to put down underlayment. It was more like "BLAM!". ![]() Less power, more quiet. More power, less quiet. A simple inverse relationship that will not change until some company stupidly comes up with a environmentally audio friendly design that will make the product even more costly. I suggest foam earplugs: http://tinyurl.com/y86r7qg These EAR earplugs are the best. From high power firing ranges to NHRA fuel dragsters, this is the one that will save yer ears. Screw tapered and round-end foam plugs. These are the ones and worth every freakin' cent! nb |
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Thanks, Chris.
I'm working in my rental apartment suite, so it's not practical to ask my neighbours to wear earplugs. Robert notbob wrote: On 2010-03-25, Chris Friesen wrote: I hope it's quieter than the medium crown stapler I used to put down underlayment. It was more like "BLAM!". ![]() Less power, more quiet. More power, less quiet. A simple inverse relationship that will not change until some company stupidly comes up with a environmentally audio friendly design that will make the product even more costly. I suggest foam earplugs: http://tinyurl.com/y86r7qg These EAR earplugs are the best. From high power firing ranges to NHRA fuel dragsters, this is the one that will save yer ears. Screw tapered and round-end foam plugs. These are the ones and worth every freakin' cent! nb |
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On 2010-03-25, Robert Montgomery wrote:
Thanks, Chris. Chris? Heh... what the Hell, at least it's not bob. ![]() nb |
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replying to notbob, Stickman wrote:
If I may, the earplugs are an easy and obvious fix. I believe we want to know of more quite compressors for the sake of others. A lot of peoples, including myself, are earshot near household members, even in apartments....as this is the modern age of affordability. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/woodwo...un-497344-.htm |
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Thanks, Sonoma.
Which Senco? And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's why I'm leaning toward an electric. Robert SonomaProducts.com wrote: I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink. On Mar 25, 10:30 am, Robert Montgomery info-bl...@northern-data- tech.net wrote: What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's powerful enough to penetrate pine? I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars. I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds. I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter. Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how loud they are compared to the Duo Fast gun? I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way. Thanks. Robert |
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On Mar 25, 12:58*pm, Robert Montgomery info-bl...@northern-data-
tech.net wrote: Thanks, Sonoma. Which Senco? And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's why I'm leaning toward an electric. Robert SonomaProducts.com wrote: I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink. On Mar 25, 10:30 am, Robert Montgomery info-bl...@northern-data- tech.net wrote: What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's powerful enough to penetrate pine? I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars. I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds. I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter. Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how loud they are compared to the Duo Fast gun? I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way. Thanks. Robert- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The ones I use are the blam type but of all the small nail guns and staple guns I've been around the senco's are the quietest, the porter cables the loudest. I would say the smallest model that shoots staples big enough for your task. I would suppose what they call a pancake compressor would be plenty. You can often find combo packs. I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor" and the first hot is an upholstery bundle. http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-U.../dp/B0002PS87U |
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On 3/25/10 4:34 PM, SonomaProducts.com wrote:
On Mar 25, 12:58 pm, Robert Montgomeryinfo-bl...@northern-data- tech.net wrote: Thanks, Sonoma. Which Senco? And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's why I'm leaning toward an electric. Robert SonomaProducts.com wrote: I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink. On Mar 25, 10:30 am, Robert Montgomeryinfo-bl...@northern-data- tech.net wrote: What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's powerful enough to penetrate pine? I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars. I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds. I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter. Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how loud they are compared to the Duo Fast gun? I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way. Thanks. Robert- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The ones I use are the blam type but of all the small nail guns and staple guns I've been around the senco's are the quietest, the porter cables the loudest. I would say the smallest model that shoots staples big enough for your task. I would suppose what they call a pancake compressor would be plenty. You can often find combo packs. I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor" and the first hot is an upholstery bundle. http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-U.../dp/B0002PS87U Someone else may have some other ideas, but if you at least put the compressor on top of a couple layers or scrap carpet, it will help nullify some of the vibration going through the floor, when it is running, not so much for the noise though. Maybe putting the compressor on a balcony (assuming you have one) will help as well, after all just the hose & gun have to come inside. -- Froz... The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance. |
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![]() I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor" and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-U...t/dp/B0002...- Hide quoted text - That bundle looks great. Several upholstery students have similar set- ups and they are excellent. That compressor won't run too long, either, for a noise concern, especially if you pad the floor, as suggested. If you have a canvas to attach, now, some small tacks should work just fine. Tacks are still often used in upholstery today, in tight places the stapler can't reach properly. I wouldn't recommend using aluminum tacks. Sonny |
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Sonny wrote:
I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor" and the first hot is an upholstery bundle.http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-U...t/dp/B0002...- Hide quoted text - If you have a canvas to attach, now, some small tacks should work just fine. Tacks are still often used in upholstery today, in tight places the stapler can't reach properly. I wouldn't recommend using aluminum tacks. Sonny Thanks, Sonny. I tried pushpins that I had at home to get an idea if tacks would work, but the wood is so hard that the prongs hardly penetrated the wood when I use my fingers, so hammering them in would be a lot of work. So I returned the package of unopened tacks that I had bought recently to the hardware store. Robert |
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"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a- I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor" and the first hot is an upholstery bundle. http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-U.../dp/B0002PS87U I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner. Max |
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Max wrote:
"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a- I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor" and the first hot is an upholstery bundle. http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-U.../dp/B0002PS87U I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner. Max How often does it have to be noisy when you're stapling? I understand that the compressor would be noisy only when it's filling with air. How noisy is it when it's running but not filling with air? Robert |
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Max wrote:
"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message news:cf00bc35-f292-49a2-851a- I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor" and the first hot is an upholstery bundle. http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-U.../dp/B0002PS87U I have that compressor and it's not as loud as a vacuum cleaner. Max Thanks. So I guess there isn't even one model of electric staple gun on the whole world that would be suitable for stretching artists' canvas? If only there were a suitable electric, I could avoid all the hassles of iimporting from the U.S. to Canada, plus the noise, clutter and lugging around a heavy compressor in my crowed apartment, building a box with soundpoofing and maybe even dealing with an extra tank in my crowded apartment and having the risk of being unhappy with the equipment, in which case I'd to return it to the store in the U.S. and pay a 20 percent restocking fee. Robert |
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT), "SonomaProducts.com"
wrote: On Mar 25, 12:58*pm, Robert Montgomery info-bl...@northern-data- tech.net wrote: Thanks, Sonoma. Which Senco? And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's why I'm leaning toward an electric. Robert SonomaProducts.com wrote: I would go with air power and get a Senco, p-tink. On Mar 25, 10:30 am, Robert Montgomery info-bl...@northern-data- tech.net wrote: What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's powerful enough to penetrate pine? I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars. I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds. I'm considering a Maestri C7 or #8 electric gun, which are lighter. Upholster.com says they're powerful enough to shoot staples into most hardwoods. But I don't know how loud they are. Does anyone know how loud they are compared to the Duo Fast gun? I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way. Thanks. Robert- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The ones I use are the blam type but of all the small nail guns and staple guns I've been around the senco's are the quietest, the porter cables the loudest. I would say the smallest model that shoots staples big enough for your task. I would suppose what they call a pancake compressor would be plenty. You can often find combo packs. I just did a google search on "amazon senco stapler and compressor" and the first hot is an upholstery bundle. http://www.amazon.com/Senco-PC0973-U.../dp/B0002PS87U ....as a package that looks like a decent deal...after reading the review I dunno...I have a Porter Cable US58T2 air-stapler that shoots #7 staples (as opposed to 22 guage crown staples) and it is the bomb. I bought it because I wasn't happy with a couple of electric units (probably didn't spend enough money on 'em?). Anyway, I've used it for light upholstering and even some indoor-outdoor applied to the deck of my truck...nice tool and great results. cg |
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:58:48 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
scrawled the following: Thanks, Sonoma. Which Senco? And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's why I'm leaning toward an electric. Go with air and build a sonic box to put around the compressor. Use the stapler to tack carpet inside a plywood box. Fill up the tank once and use that for hours. -- Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity. Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand. -- Oprah Winfrey |
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![]() "Larry Jaques" wrote in message ... On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:58:48 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery scrawled the following: Thanks, Sonoma. Which Senco? And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's why I'm leaning toward an electric. Go with air and build a sonic box to put around the compressor. Use the stapler to tack carpet inside a plywood box. Fill up the tank once and use that for hours. What about one of the CO2 tanks to supply the stapler, it sounds like the OP needs would be fairly minimal and depending on how sensitive/mean the neighbors are it might be a good option. basilisk |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:04:01 -0500, the infamous "basilisk"
scrawled the following: "Larry Jaques" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:58:48 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery scrawled the following: Thanks, Sonoma. Which Senco? And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's why I'm leaning toward an electric. Go with air and build a sonic box to put around the compressor. Use the stapler to tack carpet inside a plywood box. Fill up the tank once and use that for hours. What about one of the CO2 tanks to supply the stapler, it sounds like the OP needs would be fairly minimal and depending on how sensitive/mean the neighbors are it might be a good option. Yeah, that's one option, depending on the cost of rentals in his area. But what's he going to do when he finds out he wants to blow toast crumbs out his baby oven, clean the vacuum, dry his bbq grille, blow out the garage, and all the other good stuff compressors are for? He'd go through a whole tank in an hour. ![]() (Yeah, on the porch/balcony, of course.) -- Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity. Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand. -- Oprah Winfrey |
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Robert Montgomery wrote:
Thanks, Sonoma. Which Senco? And which compressor? I'm concerned about the noise from the compressors, because I'm in a rental apartment building and I'm surrounded by other tenants that I'm concerned about disturbing. That's why I'm leaning toward an electric. Leave the compressor outside and fill a portable air tank (I use a converted Freon bottle). |
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:30:47 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
scrawled the following: What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's powerful enough to penetrate pine? I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars. Repeat after me: Electric staple guns don't work reliably. Get a little compressor, an extra 5 gallon tank, and a $30 Harbor Freight 1/2" crown stapler (I love mine) and you're in business. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=97572 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=65594 I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds. Oh, the HF gun weighs about 2 pounds but feels closer to 1 pound. I use a lightweight 1/4" air line for the tank. It's even lighter than a copper cord for a corded tool like my drill. I've also used my HF 1/4" crown stapler for upholstery to good effect. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=97524 My 3/4HP Ingersoll Rand airless compressor will fill up the tank to 100psi. I can then take the tank and hose anywhere and run about 100 staples from the gun before needing a refill. It stops working well at roughly 50psi. Something as small as this might be enough compressor for you. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=90168 These items go on sale at HF all the time and you can often find them for half price. -- Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity. Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand. -- Oprah Winfrey |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:30:47 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery scrawled the following: What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's powerful enough to penetrate pine? I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars. Repeat after me: Electric staple guns don't work reliably. Get a little compressor, an extra 5 gallon tank, and a $30 Harbor Freight 1/2" crown stapler (I love mine) and you're in business. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=97572 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=65594 I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds. Oh, the HF gun weighs about 2 pounds but feels closer to 1 pound. I use a lightweight 1/4" air line for the tank. It's even lighter than a copper cord for a corded tool like my drill. I've also used my HF 1/4" crown stapler for upholstery to good effect. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=97524 Thanks, Larry. That stapler takes minimum 3/4-inch staples, which is at least twice as long as the longest staples I would use. I want short staples so that I can extract them easily if they don't seat properly. My 3/4HP Ingersoll Rand airless compressor will fill up the tank to 100psi. I can then take the tank and hose anywhere and run about 100 staples from the gun before needing a refill. It stops working well at roughly 50psi. How would the extra tank work with the compressor? How much noise do they make? -- Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity. Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand. -- Oprah Winfrey I hate challenges, because they make life very difficult. --Robert Montgomery Robert |
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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 20:49:34 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery
scrawled the following: Larry Jaques wrote: On Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:30:47 GMT, the infamous Robert Montgomery scrawled the following: What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's powerful enough to penetrate pine? I'm an artist and I need to stretch cotton canvas over pine stretcher bars. Repeat after me: Electric staple guns don't work reliably. Get a little compressor, an extra 5 gallon tank, and a $30 Harbor Freight 1/2" crown stapler (I love mine) and you're in business. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=97572 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=65594 I considered buying a quiet Duo-Fast E1C 3118A electric staple gun, but it's too heavy. I have to hold the stretcher bar frame vertically so I have one hand to pull the canvas tightly around the bars with canvas pliers, so my other hand and arm have to be up in the air to fire the staple gun, so that gun would be too heavy. It weighs 4.2 pounds. Oh, the HF gun weighs about 2 pounds but feels closer to 1 pound. I use a lightweight 1/4" air line for the tank. It's even lighter than a copper cord for a corded tool like my drill. I've also used my HF 1/4" crown stapler for upholstery to good effect. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=97524 Thanks, Larry. That stapler takes minimum 3/4-inch staples, which is at least twice as long as the longest staples I would use. I want short staples so that I can extract them easily if they don't seat properly. I shoot half inchers it mine all the time. shrug For canvas, I think I'd prefer the (97572) 1/2" crown stapler. That's what I use for most upholstery work, like the barstool seatcovers and my dining set chairs. It's a nice little stapler, and is quieter than the others. My 3/4HP Ingersoll Rand airless compressor will fill up the tank to 100psi. I can then take the tank and hose anywhere and run about 100 staples from the gun before needing a refill. It stops working well at roughly 50psi. How would the extra tank work with the compressor? How much noise do they make? Ingy is noisy, as most airlesses are. I hook the tank up to the compressor and fill it, then turn the compressor off and use the tank wherever. I keep saying I'm going to build the sonic box for my big HF compressor but I never get around to it. I step over the carpet for it all the time. sigh It's essentially a pair of open-ended, open- bottomed boxes, one larger than the other by 4" in width and 4" in height. The openings let air in (for cooling the compressor and providing the compressed air) and the carpeted innards take out about 9DB of noise, so the compressor is one eighth as noisy. I should do that this weekend. I need to move that plywood anyway. g -- Challenges are gifts that force us to search for a new center of gravity. Don't fight them. Just find a different way to stand. -- Oprah Winfrey I hate challenges, because they make life very difficult. --Robert Montgomery Wuss. ![]() -- "Not always right, but never uncertain." --Heinlein -=-=- |
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On Thursday, March 25, 2010 at 10:30:47 AM UTC-7, Robert Montgomery wrote:
What's a fairly quiet, lightweight upholstery electric staple gun that's powerful enough to penetrate pine? What kind of wood? Pine includes 'southern yellow pine' which is somewhere between white oak and red oak in toughness. Pine also comes with knots (some of which are very hard). I tried the Arrow electric lithium-ion battery cordless electric, but it's very loud and the staples didn't penetrate the wood all the way. What length of staples? If these are 1/2" long, and penetrated 3/8", would you consider using shorter staples? Percussion is the driving principle in staplers, some noise is intrinsic to the method. |
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