The boys in the shop class in Stow,Ohio are making crutches for the
children in Haiti. This gives me hope after seeing on the news about all
these kids getting killed in these gang wars. When I was in school if we
took a knife to school we were big ****, now all these kids are packing
guns.
Or is it just in Cleveland,Ohio ????

Jerry


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On Feb 15, 1:30*pm, (Jerry - OHIO) wrote:
The boys in the shop class in Stow,Ohio are making crutches for the
children in Haiti. This gives me hope after seeing on the news about all
these kids getting killed in these gang wars. When I was in school if we
took a knife to school we were big ****, now all these kids are packing
guns.
Or is it just in Cleveland,Ohio ????

Jerry

http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutc...oodWorkingPage

http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/1974RuppCentair

Yes, Jerry, it IS just Cleveland Ohio.

"Jerry - OHIO" wrote in message
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The boys in the shop class in Stow,Ohio are making crutches for
the
children in Haiti. This gives me hope after seeing on the news
about all
these kids getting killed in these gang wars. When I was in
school if we
took a knife to school we were big ****, now all these kids are
packing
guns.
Or is it just in Cleveland,Ohio ????

Jerry


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Wow. . . my high school STILL has a Trap and Skeet team as part of
physical education. Back when I was in school (1960-65) I was
digging behind my pickup's seat when the principal and vice
principal were walking by. The principal looked in and said,
"Wow, is that a Fox 20?" I said, "Yes, Dad gave it to me back
when I was 9 years old. It was used and someone had cut it down
for a small kid." The Vice Principal asked me if I wanted to sell
it, now that I'd outgrown the stock, and we agreed on a price.

Yup, that's what it's like growing up in a farming community in
the Midwest.

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Nonny

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and articulate person who has absolutely no clue
concerning what they are talking about.
The person is typically a media commentator or politician.

On 2/15/10 1:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 15, 1:30 pm, (Jerry - OHIO) wrote:
The boys in the shop class in Stow,Ohio are making crutches for the
children in Haiti. This gives me hope after seeing on the news about all
these kids getting killed in these gang wars. When I was in school if we
took a knife to school we were big ****, now all these kids are packing
guns.
Or is it just in Cleveland,Ohio ????

Jerry

http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutc...oodWorkingPage

http://community.webtv.net/awoodbutcher/1974RuppCentair

Yes, Jerry, it IS just Cleveland Ohio.


I don't think anyone from Ohio would ever associate Stow with Cleveland
in any way.
Akron, maybe, but never Cleveland.


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On Feb 15, 1:30*pm, (Jerry - OHIO) wrote:
The boys in the shop class in Stow,Ohio are making crutches for the
children in Haiti. This gives me hope after seeing on the news about all
these kids getting killed in these gang wars. When I was in school if we
took a knife to school we were big ****, now all these kids are packing
guns.
Or is it just in Cleveland,Ohio ????

Yes, Jerry, it IS just Cleveland Ohio.


I live near Cleveland and don't read much about students with guns. No more
than any other urban area I suspect.

--
Dennis

On 2/15/2010 1:13 PM, Robatoy wrote:
On Feb 15, 1:30 pm, (Jerry - OHIO) wrote:
The boys in the shop class in Stow,Ohio are making crutches for the
children in Haiti. This gives me hope after seeing on the news about all
these kids getting killed in these gang wars. When I was in school if we
took a knife to school we were big ****, now all these kids are packing
guns.
Or is it just in Cleveland,Ohio ????

Yes, Jerry, it IS just Cleveland Ohio.

Nah - I went to HS in Indiana, and during the second week of school was
/issued/ a 30-06 rifle to keep in my room.

The anti-gun folks would probably be horrified to know that my
classmates and I also trained with BAR's, .30 cal machine guns, and
105's.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On 2010-02-16 11:13:19 -0500, Morris Dovey said:

Nah - I went to HS in Indiana, and during the second week of school was
/issued/ a 30-06 rifle to keep in my room.

The anti-gun folks would probably be horrified to know that my
classmates and I also trained with BAR's, .30 cal machine guns, and
105's.

And that school would have been...?

Years ago, when I went to high school in Indiana, we shot .22 rifles as
part of our phys ed program (indoor, steel traps). The university had a
skeet range just over the hill, and for the guys who had their own
shotguns, it was open to students as well. I don't think it ever
ocurred to anyone that these guns _could_ be used anywhere other than
intended.

Ain't like that in the high school where my wife teaches today... One
young "man" told her recently that he didn't need to know English. He
would "make more money than [you'll] ever have, because [he} was
dealing drugs." She told him his life would be short.

This is an extreme instance and doesn't speak directly to the gun
issue, but it's symptomatic. Our parents expected a certain mode of
behavior from us (or at least not to embarrass them TOO terribly), and
they did not hold others accountable for our deeds.

That's largely changed today -- if the kid acts up in school, it's
probably the fault of the teachers and administrators.

As the sarge used to say on Hill Street Blues, "Be careful out there."

On 2/16/2010 4:55 PM, Steve wrote:

And that school would have been...?

A military boarding school with a Junior ROTC program in Culver.

Years ago, when I went to high school in Indiana, we shot .22 rifles as
part of our phys ed program (indoor, steel traps). The university had a
skeet range just over the hill, and for the guys who had their own
shotguns, it was open to students as well. I don't think it ever ocurred
to anyone that these guns _could_ be used anywhere other than intended.

Ain't like that in the high school where my wife teaches today... One
young "man" told her recently that he didn't need to know English. He
would "make more money than [you'll] ever have, because [he} was dealing
drugs." She told him his life would be short.

This is an extreme instance and doesn't speak directly to the gun issue,
but it's symptomatic. Our parents expected a certain mode of behavior
from us (or at least not to embarrass them TOO terribly), and they did
not hold others accountable for our deeds.

I think that's an important part of the story - and another is that
/everyone/ found it appropriate to hold kids immediately accountable for
their deeds.

That's largely changed today -- if the kid acts up in school, it's
probably the fault of the teachers and administrators.

I don't believe it's their fault, but a lot has been done to make it
difficult for them to deal with the problems that do arise.

I had a very different experience in that, generally, problems were
dealt with by the students themselves with faculty oversight, and
disciplinary actions ranged from short-term loss of some privilege (most
common) to dismissal from the school (for a rare "honor" violation). I
think it worked as well as it did/does because the students insisted
there be /no/ daylight between "the way things should be" and "the way
things are" - and absolutely everything one might do was subject to peer
review. It took some years for me to recognize the courage that demanded
of both teachers and administrators.

As the sarge used to say on Hill Street Blues, "Be careful out there."

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Morris Dovey wrote:
On 2/16/2010 4:55 PM, Steve wrote:

....

I had a very different experience in that, generally, problems were
dealt with by the students themselves with faculty oversight, and
disciplinary actions ranged from short-term loss of some privilege (most
common) to dismissal from the school (for a rare "honor" violation). I
think it worked as well as it did/does because the students insisted
there be /no/ daylight between "the way things should be" and "the way
things are" - and absolutely everything one might do was subject to peer
review. It took some years for me to recognize the courage that demanded
of both teachers and administrators.
....

The population body from which that school was drawn does not reflect
anything close to what is the typical public HS student body these days,
particularly in larger metro areas. I suspect given the inner city
school population of today the model wouldn't work so well...

--

On 2010-02-16 19:58:38 -0500, Morris Dovey said:

That's largely changed today -- if the kid acts up in school, it's
probably the fault of the teachers and administrators.

I don't believe it's their fault, but a lot has been done to make it
difficult for them to deal with the problems that do arise.

"That's a joke, son!"

Or it would be, if there weren't parents who take that stand. And, of
course, you are right -- teachers and admins have been hamstrung by the
threat of litigation. The ONLY winners in a legal fight are the lawyers.

BTW, I had an idea your answer to the school question might be Culver.

On 2/17/2010 8:26 PM, Steve wrote:

BTW, I had an idea your answer to the school question might be Culver.

It's quite a place - beautiful at the superficial level and much, much
more than beautiful beneath the surface. It's not too far from Indy for
a sightseeing drive (consider yourself invited), and if you call ahead
you can probably have a guide to tell you about what you're seeing. For
an adventure, ask to meet and talk to some of the students about the
school.

If/when/as you see at the place, it's worthwhile to keep in mind that
the school is sustained by its former students rather than by their
parents...

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/