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With several saw blades on hand, I hate to purchase more to replace the dull
ones. Therefore, I'm considering having them sharpened and asking those who sharpen their blades for recommendations. I have also considered the option of doing it myself, though I can imagine the machine is expensive. BUT...I saw a blade sharpening machine from Harbor Freight and wondered if anyone uses it? Yea yea, HF, I know, don't do it, but sometimes they have a gem in the rough. All inputs appreciated. |
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On 01/26/2010 04:22 PM, SBH wrote:
With several saw blades on hand, I hate to purchase more to replace the dull ones. Therefore, I'm considering having them sharpened and asking those who sharpen their blades for recommendations. Check around, there may be a place nearby that sharpens blades. I live in a city of about 250000 and there is a local company that does all the blade sharpening for the industrial shops. I think it was about 25 cents per tooth last time I had it done. Chris |
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Oops......um, that's "sharpening".
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On Jan 26, 6:58*pm, "SBH" wrote:
Oops......um, that's "sharpening". Are they carbide blades or just regular steel? The only thing the HF POS is good for is for a trash bag weight. Depending on where you live there should be a sharpening service around somewhere. Ask around at the lumber yards or call a local sawmill if needed. If they were expensive, sharpen them. Otherwise the $20 specials at the Borg are really just a disposable blade. Allen |
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As others have said, check around. Look in local yellow pages for
sharpening, saw sharpening, etc. If there is a cabinet shop or contractor available ask if they have theirs sharpened. When we lived in Wichita, a local private lumber yard chain provided sharpening services through a lady who lived in a nearby town. You dropped them off and picked them up a few days later. When I figured out where they sent them it was easy to check that town's yellow pages and I had some done directly. Where we live now, I am fortunate to have located a gentleman who does excellent work and a very reasonable price. In many cases he provides overnight service. Word to the wise! When you locate a source, don't drop all of your blades at once. Ease in with one or two blades, and if satisfied get some more done. I responded to a "recommendation" several years ago and the person screwed up about 1/2-dozen blades. |
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I had several done locally years ago - the quality was poor. My mitre saw
blade had tearout and they seemed to dull quickly. So I dsecided to ship several blades and a dado set off to Forrest. The guys that sell the high quality blades in mags. I'll let you know how they come back. I have great expectations. Hope they aren't dashed. |
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"SBH" wrote in :
With several saw blades on hand, I hate to purchase more to replace the dull ones. Therefore, I'm considering having them sharpened and asking those who sharpen their blades for recommendations. I have also considered the option of doing it myself, though I can imagine the machine is expensive. BUT...I saw a blade sharpening machine from Harbor Freight and wondered if anyone uses it? Yea yea, HF, I know, don't do it, but sometimes they have a gem in the rough. All inputs appreciated. If you've got good blades, they're probably worth sharpening. However, before you start sharpening them yourself, take the time to count the teeth on the blade. A 40T TS blade doesn't seem so bad, but a 8 TPI hand saw blade (20" long) has a lot of teeth. The TS blade would probably require 30-60 seconds per tooth once you got going and the handsaw only about 5, but that's still an awful lot of work. A decent file costs less than the HF machine, and lets you put exactly the geometry on the tooth you desire. I've sharpened my handsaw blade, and the results are well worth it (pride especially). It's a lengthy process so music and a comfy chair are required. I'd be concerned about messing up a good TS with a poorly sharpened blade. The blade on my TS cost ~5% of what the saw cost, so it's just not worth the risk. Puckdropper |
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Puckdropper wrote:
"SBH" wrote in : With several saw blades on hand, I hate to purchase more to replace the dull ones. Therefore, I'm considering having them sharpened and asking those who sharpen their blades for recommendations. I have also considered the option of doing it myself, though I can imagine the machine is expensive. BUT...I saw a blade sharpening machine from Harbor Freight and wondered if anyone uses it? Yea yea, HF, I know, don't do it, but sometimes they have a gem in the rough. All inputs appreciated. If you've got good blades, they're probably worth sharpening. However, before you start sharpening them yourself, take the time to count the teeth on the blade. A 40T TS blade doesn't seem so bad, but a 8 TPI hand saw blade (20" long) has a lot of teeth. The TS blade would probably require 30-60 seconds per tooth once you got going and the handsaw only about 5, but that's still an awful lot of work. A decent file costs less than the HF machine, and lets you put exactly the geometry on the tooth you desire. What kind of file do you use to sharpen carbide? The HF machine is specifically for circular blades. I've sharpened my handsaw blade, and the results are well worth it (pride especially). It's a lengthy process so music and a comfy chair are required. I'd be concerned about messing up a good TS with a poorly sharpened blade. The blade on my TS cost ~5% of what the saw cost, so it's just not worth the risk. How would a poorly sharpened blade "mess up" a table saw? I can see it messing up a piece of lumber but damaging the saw would take creativity. |
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allen476 wrote:
On Jan 26, 6:58 pm, "SBH" wrote: Oops......um, that's "sharpening". Are they carbide blades or just regular steel? The only thing the HF POS is good for is for a trash bag weight. What shortcomings did you find it to have? Depending on where you live there should be a sharpening service around somewhere. Ask around at the lumber yards or call a local sawmill if needed. If they were expensive, sharpen them. Otherwise the $20 specials at the Borg are really just a disposable blade. Allen |
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:19:06 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote: How would a poorly sharpened blade "mess up" a table saw? I can see it messing up a piece of lumber but damaging the saw would take creativity. Apparently you paid little attention to our previous dialog about the proper blade for a given saw... Gordon Shumway Our Constitution needs to be used less as a shield for the guilty and more as a sword for the victim. |
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SBH wrote:
With several saw blades on hand, I hate to purchase more to replace the dull ones. Therefore, I'm considering having them sharpened and asking those who sharpen their blades for recommendations. I have also considered the option of doing it myself, though I can imagine the machine is expensive. BUT...I saw a blade sharpening machine from Harbor Freight and wondered if anyone uses it? Yea yea, HF, I know, don't do it, but sometimes they have a gem in the rough. All inputs appreciated. http://www.toolcrib.com/blog/2008/07...ning-services/ http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-...saw-sharpener/ |
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Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:19:06 -0500, "J. Clarke" wrote: How would a poorly sharpened blade "mess up" a table saw? I can see it messing up a piece of lumber but damaging the saw would take creativity. Apparently you paid little attention to our previous dialog about the proper blade for a given saw... I dismissed it as the ravings of a lunatic. |
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:58:47 -0500, the infamous "SBH"
scrawled the following: Oops......um, that's "sharpening". Oh, I just thought you were Hispanic. OK either way. --- "Some of us are wondering if we have created a monster." Kevin Vranes, climate scientist, University of Colorado talking about global warming hysteria, January, 2007. |
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On Jan 26, 10:20*pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
allen476 wrote: On Jan 26, 6:58 pm, "SBH" wrote: Oops......um, that's "sharpening". Are they carbide blades or just regular steel? The only thing the HF POS is good for is for a trash bag weight. What shortcomings did you find it to have? Depending on where you live there should be a sharpening service around somewhere. Ask around at the lumber yards or call a local sawmill if needed. If they were expensive, sharpen them. Otherwise the $20 specials at the Borg are really just a disposable blade. Allen The stupid thing wouldn't hold an angle for more than 3 teeth. Luckily I borrowed it because if I had paid good money for it, it would have been in pieces. I was sharpening some Oldham blades that I use for PT lumber so no big loss but frustrating none the less. Allen |
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After being given a tour of my sharpening service where I saw a Swiss made, computerized controlled, blade sharpening system using a database of blade profiles to resharpen an 80 tooth blade for less than $15 is the day I decided my blades will be sharpened by a qualified service. Life is too short to waste it trying to do something best done by the pros. Lew |
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"J. Clarke" wrote in
: *snip* What kind of file do you use to sharpen carbide? The HF machine is specifically for circular blades. That was an exercise for the reader. How would a poorly sharpened blade "mess up" a table saw? I can see it messing up a piece of lumber but damaging the saw would take creativity. My thought process in writing that was poorly sharpening a blade could get it out of balance and at 3400 RPM the imbalance would be hard on the bearings. Thinking about it a little more now, the amounts needed to get to a dangerous imbalance would probably be quite large and unlikely to be removed from the whole of the saw blade and not just one location. Plus, at that speed the imbalance would tend to average out and not be noticed by either operator or saw. Puckdropper |
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Life is too short to waste it trying to do something best done by the pros. Lew Couldn't agree more. There are limits to being self-reliant and a tight-a**ed Irishman; and saw sharpening is one of them. Besides, consistency requires pretty good equipment. One fellow who did mine years ago sharpened all kinds of saw blades, scissors, knives, industrial equipment, etc. The sharpening center he used probably cost as much as a small car. The fellow I use now is less invested but he does have a grinding jig that indexes things with his cutter. I do sharpen my own chain saw blades....most of the time. I would rather spend my time building stuff than finding new ways to **** myself off. That's why I don't play golf too. RonB |
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"RonB" wrote That's why I don't play golf too. As the Scotsman was heard saying, "Laddie tis a humblin game ye play." Lew |
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On Jan 26, 5:22*pm, "SBH" wrote:
With several saw blades on hand, I hate to purchase more to replace the dull ones. Therefore, I'm considering having them sharpened and asking those who sharpen their blades for recommendations. I have also considered the option of doing it myself, though I can imagine the machine is expensive. BUT...I saw a blade sharpening machine from Harbor Freight and wondered if anyone uses it? Yea yea, HF, I know, don't do it, but sometimes they have a gem in the rough. All inputs appreciated. When I lived in Houston, I had my TS blades sharpened at Circle Saw. I've since moved to Florida and the town I live in is too small to support a sharpening service on it own. I now drop them off at my hard wood supplier who acts as a collection point for a sharpener who picks up and re-delivers the blades on a weekly schedule. If you use your blades every day you will need spare blades to tide you over. I definitely agree you should try out any new sharpener with one blade to see if you pleased with his work. Joe G |
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SBH wrote:
With several saw blades on hand, I hate to purchase more to replace the dull ones. Therefore, I'm considering having them sharpened and asking those who sharpen their blades for recommendations. I have also considered the option of doing it myself, though I can imagine the machine is expensive. BUT...I saw a blade sharpening machine from Harbor Freight and wondered if anyone uses it? Yea yea, HF, I know, don't do it, but sometimes they have a gem in the rough. All inputs appreciated. I send all my blades (dado, tablesaw & chopsaw) to Forrest: Forrest Manufacturing 457 River Road Clifton, NJ 07014 They do a great job sharpening and can repair/replace damaged/missing carbide tips. |
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:28:36 -0600, Chris Friesen
wrote: On 01/26/2010 04:22 PM, SBH wrote: With several saw blades on hand, I hate to purchase more to replace the dull ones. Therefore, I'm considering having them sharpened and asking those who sharpen their blades for recommendations. Check around, there may be a place nearby that sharpens blades. I live in a city of about 250000 and there is a local company that does all the blade sharpening for the industrial shops. I think it was about 25 cents per tooth last time I had it done. Chris Be sure to ask if they can flatten the blade as well. If not, look elsewhere. |
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Life is too short to waste it trying to do something best done by the pros. But isn't that how pros become pros? One must make that first leap in order to begin the journey. |
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"SBH" wrote in message ... "Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Life is too short to waste it trying to do something best done by the pros. But isn't that how pros become pros? One must make that first leap in order to begin the journey. Pros become pros by convincing someone to pay them to do something. It doesn't necessarily mean that they are competent. |
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SBH wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Life is too short to waste it trying to do something best done by the pros. But isn't that how pros become pros? One must make that first leap in order to begin the journey. This is fine if one has as a goal in life becoming a professional saw-sharpener. |
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:22:22 -0500, "SBH" wrote:
With several saw blades on hand, I hate to purchase more to replace the dull ones. Therefore, I'm considering having them sharpened and asking those who sharpen their blades for recommendations. I have also considered the option of doing it myself, though I can imagine the machine is expensive. BUT...I saw a blade sharpening machine from Harbor Freight and wondered if anyone uses it? Yea yea, HF, I know, don't do it, but sometimes they have a gem in the rough. All inputs appreciated. I sent mine to Ridge Carbide Tool. Google them and you'll find the pricing and so forth. I was ready to trash the DeWalt blade that came with my miter saw after it was used to cut lots of laminate flooring. I lent it to someone figuring I'd just upgrade to a Ridge blade when he was done. Instead, I sent it along with a couple of other blades. It came back better than when it was new. Some things are best left to the pro. |
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On Jan 26, 5:22*pm, "SBH" wrote:
With several saw blades on hand, I hate to purchase more to replace the dull ones. Therefore, I'm considering having them sharpened and asking those who sharpen their blades for recommendations. I have also considered the option of doing it myself, though I can imagine the machine is expensive. BUT...I saw a blade sharpening machine from Harbor Freight and wondered if anyone uses it? Yea yea, HF, I know, don't do it, but sometimes they have a gem in the rough. All inputs appreciated. I bought the HF unit and am reasonably happy with it. I sharpen my hand saws, my chisels, my hand plane blades and found that this was not much different. Like most sharpening, you don't need to take off much steel to get a good cutting edge. I would hesitate to sharpen my most expensive blades myself but I have a few blades sitting around that I use for suspect wood that might have nailes etc. I also like the idea that I can tinker with the shape of the teeth to optimize them for certain cuts. I recommend getting a book on sharpening such as Leonard Lees book. On the other hand, if I were doing production work and focused on the bottom line, I would buy new blades or use a professional sharpening service. Since I am a recreational woodworker, I find it fun to tinker with the blades. |
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:18:00 -0500, SBH wrote:
"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message ... Life is too short to waste it trying to do something best done by the pros. But isn't that how pros become pros? One must make that first leap in order to begin the journey. Isn't that what the guy said that tried skydiving with a cheap parachute? |
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:42:19 -0800, RonB wrote:
As others have said, check around. Look in local yellow pages for sharpening, saw sharpening, etc. If there is a cabinet shop or contractor available ask if they have theirs sharpened. When we lived in Wichita, a local private lumber yard chain provided sharpening services through a lady who lived in a nearby town. You dropped them off and picked them up a few days later. When I figured out where they sent them it was easy to check that town's yellow pages and I had some done directly. Where we live now, I am fortunate to have located a gentleman who does excellent work and a very reasonable price. In many cases he provides overnight service. Word to the wise! When you locate a source, don't drop all of your blades at once. Ease in with one or two blades, and if satisfied get some more done. I responded to a "recommendation" several years ago and the person screwed up about 1/2-dozen blades. Good advice. If you lived in Wichita and had good luck with the service I am guessing the blades ended up being sharpened by a shop in McPherson. I don't remember the name of the place though. After a few hit and misses we started using the place and would send them about a dozen blades per month. They could do real miracles with cheap blades and absolute marvel on the nicer blades. We could send them good, high quality blades and they would come back cutting better and pulling less power then when they were brand new! And they did an exceptional job on planer and shaper cutters, too. |
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Just got my blades back from Forrest. What a difference - they're like new.
Did some test cuts and I'm very satisfied. Took them ~ 1 week to process them. They call to get permission to replace tips as needed. Have them do test cuts and tip replacements. I believe you'll be pleased. Not a troll - just a satisfied customer. "SBH" wrote in : With several saw blades on hand, I hate to purchase more to replace the dull ones. Therefore, I'm considering having them sharpened and asking those who sharpen their blades for recommendations. I have also considered the option of doing it myself, though I can imagine the machine is expensive. BUT...I saw a blade sharpening machine from Harbor Freight and wondered if anyone uses it? Yea yea, HF, I know, don't do it, but sometimes they have a gem in the rough. All inputs appreciated. |
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