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I recently bought a Milwaulkee router, model or catelogue # 5625-20.
I don't have a router cabinet, though I've considered making or buying one. I've discovered this set-up, router mounted under the right side of the table saw extension table: http://irsauctions.com/popups/bidder...HNQH7&id=13088 Is this a practical option for mounting a router? I have 2 Unisaws with extension tables and if this is a reasonable option for router placement, I may opt for this kind of mounting. One extension table is 3/4" ply with formica top (rough cutting, utility blade saw) and the other extension table is 1-1/2" solid wood with formica top (fine, delicate and/or precision cutting WWII blade saw). Both saws with Delta 50" Unifence. I would suspect the Unifences are not recommended for router use. Is this correct or is there a modification (sacrificial board?) that can be added to a Unifence for use with a router? In the link, I see no separate fence for the router. Also, which extension table might best be used for the router? I'm thinking the 3/4".... I kinna don't like the idea of cutting a hole in my big 1-1/2" thick extension table (4' W X 6' L). * I haven't used the new router, yet, to know if it will rise far enough to clear a 1-1/2" thick table top properly. Thanks for any help. Sonny |
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"Sonny" wrote: I recently bought a Milwaulkee router, model or catelogue # 5625-20. I don't have a router cabinet, though I've considered making or buying one. Take a look at the one Norm did on the NYW. It certainly filled all my needs. Used a commercial plate with inserts for various diameter openings. Have fun. Lew |
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Sonny wrote:
One extension table is 3/4" ply with formica top (rough cutting, utility blade saw) and the other extension table is 1-1/2" solid wood with formica top (fine, delicate and/or precision cutting WWII blade saw). Both saws with Delta 50" Unifence. I would suspect the Unifences are not recommended for router use. Is this correct or is there a modification (sacrificial board?) that can be added to a Unifence for use with a router? Instead of using a dedicated router table/cabinet, a lot of folks mount their router on the TS extension and find it handy. Basically it is a matter of personal choice. There is no reason why you can't use your unifence for a router fence, although an addition like Uni-T fence in the link makes it easier to do so: http://www.ttrackusa.com/unifence.htm or this: http://christophermerrill.net/ww/shop/bigafence.html -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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On Nov 27, 5:39*pm, Sonny wrote:
I recently bought a Milwaulkee router, model or catelogue # 5625-20. I don't have a router cabinet, though I've considered making or buying one. *I've discovered this set-up, router mounted under the right side of the table saw extension table:http://irsauctions.com/popups/bidder...7977&auction=L... Is this a practical option for mounting a router? *I have 2 Unisaws with extension tables and if this is a reasonable option for router placement, I may opt for this kind of mounting. One extension table is 3/4" ply with formica top (rough cutting, utility blade saw) and the other extension table is 1-1/2" solid wood with formica top (fine, delicate and/or precision cutting WWII blade saw). *Both saws with Delta 50" Unifence. *I would suspect the Unifences are not recommended for router use. *Is this correct or is there a modification (sacrificial board?) that can be added to a Unifence for use with a router? *In the link, I see no separate fence for the router. *Also, which extension table might best be used for the router? *I'm thinking the 3/4".... I kinna don't like the idea of cutting a hole in my big 1-1/2" thick extension table (4' W X 6' L). * I haven't used the new router, yet, to know if it will rise far enough to clear a 1-1/2" thick table top properly. Thanks for any help. Sonny Mounting it under 1-1/2" of material is going to seriously limit your bit choices. There is no need for that much 'deck' to hold that machine. Make a square hole with rounded corners with rabetted inside edges which can hold a slab of 1/2" solid surface. Mount the router to it. If you make more than one insert, you can also make a blank one which will give you a closed in extension top. Slabs of Corian and such are not that hard to obtain from a fabricator. Just ask for a couple of vanity bowl cut-outs. A 12-pack of Erdinger Weiss will get you 2 or 3 at one fabrication shop I know of..G |
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Sonny,
I got a router table from Rockler, mounted it on wheels, and added an Incra fence thingee. I don't see how you can get along without something like this. My dado blade is hardly used anymore. The Incra fence gives repeatable adjustments. Oh, I added a remote on-off switch - that made it perfect. |
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Sonny, I forgot to mention that it frees up your table saw if you have
that set with a particular fence or miter setup. That way you can make repeatable cuts on the table saw without re-setting it up. Hope this helps..... |
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rich wrote:
Sonny, I forgot to mention that it frees up your table saw if you have that set with a particular fence or miter setup. That way you can make repeatable cuts on the table saw without re-setting it up. Hope this helps..... Don't look now, but the boy has TWO unisaws ... sounds like he could spare one for a router setup. -- www.e-woodshop.net Last update: 10/22/08 KarlC@ (the obvious) |
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rich wrote:
Sonny, I got a router table from Rockler, mounted it on wheels, and added an Incra fence thingee. I don't see how you can get along without something like this. My dado blade is hardly used anymore. The Incra fence gives repeatable adjustments. Oh, I added a remote on-off switch - that made it perfect. That's funny. Since I got my better table saw, I can't wait to get a good dado set so I don't have to use the router. :-) What do you mean by remote? I use a momentary foot switch for mine. I like the idea of it turning off if something dangerous happens and I had to duck for cover. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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-MIKE- wrote:
rich wrote: Sonny, I got a router table from Rockler, mounted it on wheels, and added an Incra fence thingee. I don't see how you can get along without something like this. My dado blade is hardly used anymore. The Incra fence gives repeatable adjustments. Oh, I added a remote on-off switch - that made it perfect. That's funny. Since I got my better table saw, I can't wait to get a good dado set so I don't have to use the router. :-) Agreed. I don't like cutting dadoes on the router if I can do it on the table saw. The cuts are cleaner, it takes far less time (not counting the time it takes to set up the dado blade, of course), and you don't have to make multiple passes if the cuts have any significant depth. -- "Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day." (From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago) To reply, eat the taco. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/ |
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Lots of good advice and tips. Thanks guys.
Several years ago, we ripped out all the Corian from my brother's house. I saved it.... at least 50 sq ft of it. Multiple plates, rather than inserts, sounds like an easy option. Two 16" Uni-T fences with UHMW fence face will be ordered soon. Wish they'd offer 24" lengths. A "remote" switch was concerned, also. I didn't know what a momentary foot switch is, but I see Woodcraft has one for $20.... looks perfect! I like the push-button type action, rather than a toggle type mechanism. On another note, my nephew and I recently installed new decking (double layered) and re-shingled half the shop roof.... about 900 sq ft (inclusive of a 30' X 12' backside overhang). Little by little, it's getting completed. *Decking material - free, salvaged from construction work sites, along with lots of framing stock. Shingles (architectural) - $7 a bundle from Lowes' "damaged" department. Sonny |
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On Nov 28, 3:20*pm, Steve Turner
wrote: -MIKE- wrote: rich wrote: Sonny, * *I got a router table from Rockler, mounted it on wheels, and added an Incra fence thingee. *I don't see how you can get along without something like this. *My dado blade is hardly used anymore. *The Incra fence gives repeatable adjustments. * *Oh, I added a remote on-off switch - that made it perfect. That's funny. Since I got my better table saw, I can't wait to get a good dado set so I don't have to use the router. * :-) Agreed. *I don't like cutting dadoes on the router if I can do it on the table saw. *The cuts are cleaner, it takes far less time (not counting the time it takes to set up the dado blade, of course), and you don't have to make multiple passes if the cuts have any significant depth. I find it is more accurate, and easier to set up, with fewer chances of error to use a dado stack. Cutting across tall bookshelf sides requires a decent sled. When making dados like that, a RAS is probably the most useful....but ONLY for that job. (I throughly hate those things.) The big advantage of a RAS, is that material thickness can vary without it cause grief when running a whole library full of shelves. A router to do dados is a PITA...unless the thing is mounted on a gantry. |
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Steve Turner wrote:
That's funny. Since I got my better table saw, I can't wait to get a good dado set so I don't have to use the router. :-) Agreed. I don't like cutting dadoes on the router if I can do it on the table saw. The cuts are cleaner, it takes far less time (not counting the time it takes to set up the dado blade, of course), and you don't have to make multiple passes if the cuts have any significant depth. I'd like to do the math on how much blade there is to cut with the dado vs router bit. Two blades at 24k rpm at whatever speed you're feeing the stock. vs. 24(?) teeth at 5k rpm at whatever speed you're feeing the stock. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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Robatoy wrote:
A router to do dados is a PITA...unless the thing is mounted on a gantry. Really? With a clamping straightedge guide, they go pretty fast. With two clamping straightedge guides and a couple spacer blocks, they go even faster. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:21:29 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: Robatoy wrote: A router to do dados is a PITA...unless the thing is mounted on a gantry. Really? With a clamping straightedge guide, they go pretty fast. With two clamping straightedge guides and a couple spacer blocks, they go even faster. How do you get within a router base's radius of the end of the board? |
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:17:15 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: Steve Turner wrote: That's funny. Since I got my better table saw, I can't wait to get a good dado set so I don't have to use the router. :-) Agreed. I don't like cutting dadoes on the router if I can do it on the table saw. The cuts are cleaner, it takes far less time (not counting the time it takes to set up the dado blade, of course), and you don't have to make multiple passes if the cuts have any significant depth. I'd like to do the math on how much blade there is to cut with the dado vs router bit. Two blades at 24k rpm at whatever speed you're feeing the stock. vs. 24(?) teeth at 5k rpm at whatever speed you're feeing the stock. What size is the dust and how efficient is the removal? |
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On Nov 28, 6:17*pm, -MIKE- wrote:
Steve Turner wrote: That's funny. Since I got my better table saw, I can't wait to get a good dado set so I don't have to use the router. * :-) Agreed. *I don't like cutting dadoes on the router if I can do it on the table saw. *The cuts are cleaner, it takes far less time (not counting the time it takes to set up the dado blade, of course), and you don't have to make multiple passes if the cuts have any significant depth. I'd like to do the math on how much blade there is to cut with the dado vs router bit. Two blades at 24k rpm at whatever speed you're feeing the stock. vs. 24(?) teeth at 5k rpm at whatever speed you're feeing the stock. -- * -MIKE- * "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" * * *--Elvin Jones *(1927-2004) * -- *http://mikedrums.com * * ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply Tipspeed at 3500 rpm of an 8" stack...vs a dinky 3/4"(?) routerbit at 22K |
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krw wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:21:29 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Robatoy wrote: A router to do dados is a PITA...unless the thing is mounted on a gantry. Really? With a clamping straightedge guide, they go pretty fast. With two clamping straightedge guides and a couple spacer blocks, they go even faster. How do you get within a router base's radius of the end of the board? Sorry, I don't understand. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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"krw" wrote in message ... On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:17:15 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Steve Turner wrote: That's funny. Since I got my better table saw, I can't wait to get a good dado set so I don't have to use the router. :-) Agreed. I don't like cutting dadoes on the router if I can do it on the table saw. The cuts are cleaner, it takes far less time (not counting the time it takes to set up the dado blade, of course), and you don't have to make multiple passes if the cuts have any significant depth. I'd like to do the math on how much blade there is to cut with the dado vs router bit. Two blades at 24k rpm at whatever speed you're feeing the stock. vs. 24(?) teeth at 5k rpm at whatever speed you're feeing the stock. What size is the dust and how efficient is the removal? The dado stack is more efficient. No contest. |
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On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:24:33 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: krw wrote: On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:21:29 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Robatoy wrote: A router to do dados is a PITA...unless the thing is mounted on a gantry. Really? With a clamping straightedge guide, they go pretty fast. With two clamping straightedge guides and a couple spacer blocks, they go even faster. How do you get within a router base's radius of the end of the board? Sorry, I don't understand. If you're using the straightedges as dado guides with the base as the pilot, cutting a dado within a half-a-router-base of the end of a board requires the second straightedge to be off the end. ...unless I don't understand what you're doing. |
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krw wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:24:33 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: krw wrote: On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:21:29 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Robatoy wrote: A router to do dados is a PITA...unless the thing is mounted on a gantry. Really? With a clamping straightedge guide, they go pretty fast. With two clamping straightedge guides and a couple spacer blocks, they go even faster. How do you get within a router base's radius of the end of the board? Sorry, I don't understand. If you're using the straightedges as dado guides with the base as the pilot, cutting a dado within a half-a-router-base of the end of a board requires the second straightedge to be off the end. ...unless I don't understand what you're doing. Routing to the edge of a board using a straight edge is no problem if you use a square/rectangular base. -- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:33:38 -0500, Nova wrote:
krw wrote: On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:24:33 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: krw wrote: On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:21:29 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Robatoy wrote: A router to do dados is a PITA...unless the thing is mounted on a gantry. Really? With a clamping straightedge guide, they go pretty fast. With two clamping straightedge guides and a couple spacer blocks, they go even faster. How do you get within a router base's radius of the end of the board? Sorry, I don't understand. If you're using the straightedges as dado guides with the base as the pilot, cutting a dado within a half-a-router-base of the end of a board requires the second straightedge to be off the end. ...unless I don't understand what you're doing. Routing to the edge of a board using a straight edge is no problem if you use a square/rectangular base. One straightedge, as long as the bit is the same diameter as the dado, *IF* you can keep the router base perfectly tight against it. That's not what he was suggesting though. The technique Mike suggested is interesting but I see the one flaw. I'm asking questions because I like the idea (two straightedges and a "calibrated" block) but want to understand the limitations. |
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"krw" wrote: The technique Mike suggested is interesting but I see the one flaw. I'm asking questions because I like the idea (two straightedges and a "calibrated" block) but want to understand the limitations. The only way to eliminate the possibility of a "gotcha" is to use an undersized bit (more than 50% of final dado)and two straight edges straddling the dado. Make a pass each direction cutting first one edge then the other. Lew |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:11:22 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: "krw" wrote: The technique Mike suggested is interesting but I see the one flaw. I'm asking questions because I like the idea (two straightedges and a "calibrated" block) but want to understand the limitations. The only way to eliminate the possibility of a "gotcha" is to use an undersized bit (more than 50% of final dado)and two straight edges straddling the dado. Make a pass each direction cutting first one edge then the other. Yes, I understand that (never though of the reference block, though). I guess I'm not being very clear, but near the end of the board, within a base radius, one of the straightedges will be off the end of the board. |
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krw" wrote:
Yes, I understand that (never though of the reference block, though). I guess I'm not being very clear, but near the end of the board, within a base radius, one of the straightedges will be off the end of the board. And? Not only is the straight edge extending beyond the board but the cutter is in free air and almost half the router base is still supported by the board. No harm, no foul. Lew |
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krw wrote:
With two clamping straightedge guides and a couple spacer blocks, they go even faster. How do you get within a router base's radius of the end of the board? Sorry, I don't understand. If you're using the straightedges as dado guides with the base as the pilot, cutting a dado within a half-a-router-base of the end of a board requires the second straightedge to be off the end. ...unless I don't understand what you're doing. Ok, I think I get it now. I'm not talking about using two, while you're making the cut. Just one. I'm saying you can use two, to help space out multiple, equally spaced dadoes. If you're putting fixed shelves 12" apart, you make a spacer/spacers cut 12". Place first clamp and make first dado cut. Leave first clamp on. Insert spacer/spacers and apply second clamp against spacer. Cut second dado. Leap frog clamps to continue. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:18:35 -0800, "Lew Hodgett"
wrote: krw" wrote: Yes, I understand that (never though of the reference block, though). I guess I'm not being very clear, but near the end of the board, within a base radius, one of the straightedges will be off the end of the board. And? Not only is the straight edge extending beyond the board but the cutter is in free air and almost half the router base is still supported by the board. No harm, no foul. No, I'm not talking about a rabbet, rather a dado, say 2" from the edge. |
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krw wrote:
Routing to the edge of a board using a straight edge is no problem if you use a square/rectangular base. One straightedge, as long as the bit is the same diameter as the dado, *IF* you can keep the router base perfectly tight against it. That's not what he was suggesting though. The technique Mike suggested is interesting but I see the one flaw. I'm asking questions because I like the idea (two straightedges and a "calibrated" block) but want to understand the limitations. What's the flaw? -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:22:55 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: krw wrote: With two clamping straightedge guides and a couple spacer blocks, they go even faster. How do you get within a router base's radius of the end of the board? Sorry, I don't understand. If you're using the straightedges as dado guides with the base as the pilot, cutting a dado within a half-a-router-base of the end of a board requires the second straightedge to be off the end. ...unless I don't understand what you're doing. Ok, I think I get it now. I'm not talking about using two, while you're making the cut. Just one. I'm saying you can use two, to help space out multiple, equally spaced dadoes. If you're putting fixed shelves 12" apart, you make a spacer/spacers cut 12". Place first clamp and make first dado cut. Leave first clamp on. Insert spacer/spacers and apply second clamp against spacer. Cut second dado. Leap frog clamps to continue. Ah, OK, there's the misunderstanding. I thought you were using the second straightedge and block to define the width of the dado. A good idea, except for the edge effect. I like my routers (PC690 w/"D" handle and Bosch Palm) but they're not good at hogging out a 3/4" dados in one pass. |
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krw wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:18:35 -0800, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: krw" wrote: Yes, I understand that (never though of the reference block, though). I guess I'm not being very clear, but near the end of the board, within a base radius, one of the straightedges will be off the end of the board. And? Not only is the straight edge extending beyond the board but the cutter is in free air and almost half the router base is still supported by the board. No harm, no foul. No, I'm not talking about a rabbet, rather a dado, say 2" from the edge. Isn't a rabbet, by definition, at the edge of the stock? If not, it *is* a dado, no? If the rabbet is 2" from the edge, it is a dado.... unless you're saying it's a 2" long rabbet..... ....which would probably make it a tenon. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:59:44 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: krw wrote: Routing to the edge of a board using a straight edge is no problem if you use a square/rectangular base. One straightedge, as long as the bit is the same diameter as the dado, *IF* you can keep the router base perfectly tight against it. That's not what he was suggesting though. The technique Mike suggested is interesting but I see the one flaw. I'm asking questions because I like the idea (two straightedges and a "calibrated" block) but want to understand the limitations. What's the flaw? A misunderstanding of your technique? See my 1:00 post. |
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krw wrote:
Ah, OK, there's the misunderstanding. I thought you were using the second straightedge and block to define the width of the dado. A good idea, except for the edge effect. I like my routers (PC690 w/"D" handle and Bosch Palm) but they're not good at hogging out a 3/4" dados in one pass. Cool, we're both seeing oranges, now. :-) However, I've seen the technique using two clamps to determine the width of a dado, too. And yeah, you usually want to make a few passes, it they're deep. Using a bit that ejects sawdust rather than just push it, helps too. Now, we're back to whatever post talked about a tablesaw stacked dado being much better. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:06:25 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: krw wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:18:35 -0800, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: krw" wrote: Yes, I understand that (never though of the reference block, though). I guess I'm not being very clear, but near the end of the board, within a base radius, one of the straightedges will be off the end of the board. And? Not only is the straight edge extending beyond the board but the cutter is in free air and almost half the router base is still supported by the board. No harm, no foul. No, I'm not talking about a rabbet, rather a dado, say 2" from the edge. Isn't a rabbet, by definition, at the edge of the stock? IIRC, technically a rabbet is with the grain too, but I could be mistaken. If not, it *is* a dado, no? If the rabbet is 2" from the edge, it is a dado.... Read the paragraph again. unless you're saying it's a 2" long rabbet..... ...which would probably make it a tenon. :-) No, I said; "I'm *NOT* talking about a rabbet, rather a dado, say 2" from the edge." |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:10:57 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: krw wrote: Ah, OK, there's the misunderstanding. I thought you were using the second straightedge and block to define the width of the dado. A good idea, except for the edge effect. I like my routers (PC690 w/"D" handle and Bosch Palm) but they're not good at hogging out a 3/4" dados in one pass. Cool, we're both seeing oranges, now. :-) Yep. ;-) Sorry for any confusion. However, I've seen the technique using two clamps to determine the width of a dado, too. I've built jigs to do this but never thought of using two clamps. Doh! And yeah, you usually want to make a few passes, it they're deep. Using a bit that ejects sawdust rather than just push it, helps too. I just bought an up-spiral bit for use in my table. I'll likely buy a few more over the next few months. Unfortunately we're getting close to the winter no-woodworking season. :-( Now, we're back to whatever post talked about a tablesaw stacked dado being much better. :-) Now that I have a table saw, sure. I still tend to use a router for large panels. I'm not very good at controlling sheets of stuff on the table saw. Moving the tool is easier. |
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... On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:33:38 -0500, Nova wrote: krw wrote: On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:24:33 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: krw wrote: On Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:21:29 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Robatoy wrote: A router to do dados is a PITA...unless the thing is mounted on a gantry. Really? With a clamping straightedge guide, they go pretty fast. With two clamping straightedge guides and a couple spacer blocks, they go even faster. How do you get within a router base's radius of the end of the board? Sorry, I don't understand. If you're using the straightedges as dado guides with the base as the pilot, cutting a dado within a half-a-router-base of the end of a board requires the second straightedge to be off the end. ...unless I don't understand what you're doing. Routing to the edge of a board using a straight edge is no problem if you use a square/rectangular base. One straightedge, as long as the bit is the same diameter as the dado, *IF* you can keep the router base perfectly tight against it. That's not what he was suggesting though. The technique Mike suggested is interesting but I see the one flaw. I'm asking questions because I like the idea (two straightedges and a "calibrated" block) but want to understand the limitations. http://www.shopnotes.com/plans/adjustable-dado-jig/ Max |
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krw wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:06:25 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: krw wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:18:35 -0800, "Lew Hodgett" wrote: krw" wrote: Yes, I understand that (never though of the reference block, though). I guess I'm not being very clear, but near the end of the board, within a base radius, one of the straightedges will be off the end of the board. And? Not only is the straight edge extending beyond the board but the cutter is in free air and almost half the router base is still supported by the board. No harm, no foul. No, I'm not talking about a rabbet, rather a dado, say 2" from the edge. Isn't a rabbet, by definition, at the edge of the stock? IIRC, technically a rabbet is with the grain too, but I could be mistaken. If not, it *is* a dado, no? If the rabbet is 2" from the edge, it is a dado.... Read the paragraph again. unless you're saying it's a 2" long rabbet..... ...which would probably make it a tenon. :-) No, I said; "I'm *NOT* talking about a rabbet, rather a dado, say 2" from the edge." Gotcha. brainfart In any case, and even though it wasn't the original topic, like another guy wrote, a rectangular base allows a router to "hang off" the edge quite a bit farther than a round one. -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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krw wrote:
Now, we're back to whatever post talked about a tablesaw stacked dado being much better. :-) Now that I have a table saw, sure. I still tend to use a router for large panels. I'm not very good at controlling sheets of stuff on the table saw. Moving the tool is easier. Yeah, it all depends on your tools and what you're comfortable with. On my last TS, I would never have even considered cutting dadoes, let alone on a full sheet. On my new-to-me TS with the out-feed table I recently completed, I can't wait to try it. :-) -- -MIKE- "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life" --Elvin Jones (1927-2004) -- http://mikedrums.com ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply |
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:29:04 -0600, -MIKE-
wrote: krw wrote: Now, we're back to whatever post talked about a tablesaw stacked dado being much better. :-) Now that I have a table saw, sure. I still tend to use a router for large panels. I'm not very good at controlling sheets of stuff on the table saw. Moving the tool is easier. Yeah, it all depends on your tools and what you're comfortable with. On my last TS, I would never have even considered cutting dadoes, let alone on a full sheet. On my new-to-me TS with the out-feed table I recently completed, I can't wait to try it. :-) I have a Unisaw with 50" fence with a roller stand for outfeed. I just don't feel comfortable humping something that awkward around alone though. |
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On Nov 28, 12:20*pm, rich wrote:
* *Oh, I added a remote on-off switch - that made it perfect. I did that as well, but with a slight variation. I used a foot switch (HFT $9.99) and a shorting plug. I built in an electrical box with a duplex outlet and a three-way switch. One of the outlets (A) is switched betwen the three-way and the power and the other (B) is wired in series with the other duplex outlet. The cheap HFT foot switch is plugged into "B" and the shorting plug is plugged into the foot switch. when the three way is in the "up" position, outlet "A" is energized and anything plugged into it gets power. When the three-way is in the down position, the power to "A" runs through whatever is connected to "B" (the foot switch) and I can start and stop "whatever is plugged into "A" (the outer) using th efoot switch. Since I did not re-wired the foot switch itself, I can unplug it, removed the shorting plug and plug a tool into it and use it as designed/intended. |
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On Nov 30, 9:19*am, Hoosierpopi wrote:
On Nov 28, 12:20*pm, rich wrote: * *Oh, I added a remote on-off switch - that made it perfect. I did that as well, but with a slight variation. I used a foot switch (HFT $9.99) and a shorting plug. I built in an electrical box with a duplex outlet and a three-way switch. One of the outlets (A) is switched betwen the three-way and the power and the other (B) is wired in series with the other duplex outlet. The cheap HFT foot switch is plugged into "B" and the shorting plug is plugged into the foot switch. *when the three way is in the "up" position, outlet "A" is energized and anything plugged into it gets power. When the three-way is in the down position, the power to "A" runs through whatever is connected to "B" (the foot switch) and I can start and stop "whatever is plugged into "A" (the outer) using th efoot switch. Since I did not re-wired the foot switch itself, I can unplug it, removed the shorting plug and plug a tool into it and use it as designed/intended. This smacks of a "suicide cord"; dangerous as hell. |
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On Nov 29, 2:09*pm, krw wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 13:10:57 -0600, -MIKE- wrote: Now, we're back to whatever post talked about a tablesaw stacked dado being much better. *:-) Now that I have a table saw, sure. *I still tend to use a router for large panels. *I'm not very good at controlling sheets of stuff on the table saw. *Moving the tool is easier. Which is why another post was talking about a radial arm saw with a dado stack; somewhat scary, of course, but much easier. Small RAS don't have the right guards for a dado, that's a MAJOR reason to buy a big 'un. |
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