Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you
pay for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a hallmark of
bottom feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small gifts for
my grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order weighed 14
oz including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or UPS.
Even the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

It's a damned poor mind that can only
think of one way to spell a word.

On Nov 20, 6:51*pm, Gerald Ross wrote:
Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you
pay for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a hallmark of
bottom feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small gifts for
my grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order weighed 14
oz including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or UPS.
Even the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.

Just another thing to factor in. You can use it to your advantage. I
just ordered 100 pounds of cat litter - delivery was $8. It's not
worth my time to go to the store and hump 100 pounds into and out of
the vehicle.

I suppose in your instance it just means you'll be building a bigger
order, and I'm sure that's what they're hoping.

R

"RicodJour" wrote in message
...
On Nov 20, 6:51 pm, Gerald Ross wrote:
Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you
pay for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a hallmark of
bottom feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small gifts for
my grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order weighed 14
oz including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or UPS.
Even the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.

Just another thing to factor in. You can use it to your advantage. I
just ordered 100 pounds of cat litter - delivery was $8. It's not
worth my time to go to the store and hump 100 pounds into and out of
the vehicle.

I suppose in your instance it just means you'll be building a bigger
order, and I'm sure that's what they're hoping.

R

or make a "non critical" list and don't order that stuff until there is a
free freight sale - which is fairly frequent in some cases.

Gerald Ross wrote:
Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you pay
for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a hallmark of bottom
feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small gifts for my
grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order weighed 14 oz
including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or UPS. Even
the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.

I just took a look at Lee Valley's shipping fees:

Orders up to $20 - $8.50
$20.01 to $120 - $11.50
Orders over $120 - $13.50

It looks to me as a flat fee of $13.50... reasonable. ;-)

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed

It's not such a "new" practice, I noticed it years ago.

I think it goes to the cost of calculating/charging shipping costs
most efficiently, despite obvious errors (e.g. a lb of lead vs. a lb.
of feathers). It costs more to "think about i"t than it does to "just
ship".

-Zz

"Gerald Ross" wrote in message
...
Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you pay
for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a hallmark of bottom
feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small gifts for my
grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order weighed 14 oz
including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or UPS. Even
the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

It's a damned poor mind that can only
think of one way to spell a word.


Would it be cheaper for you to return it to Lee Valley?

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:02:52 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
scrawled the following:


"Gerald Ross" wrote in message
m...
Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you pay
for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a hallmark of bottom
feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small gifts for my
grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order weighed 14 oz
including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or UPS. Even
the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

It's a damned poor mind that can only
think of one way to spell a word.


Would it be cheaper for you to return it to Lee Valley?

Yeah, $4.95 PRIORITY MAIL. sigh


--
We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond
with them. -- Abigail Adams, letter to John Adams, 1774

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...

Would it be cheaper for you to return it to Lee Valley?

Yeah, $4.95 PRIORITY MAIL. sigh


Will you be walking it there?

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:57:27 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .

Would it be cheaper for you to return it to Lee Valley?

Yeah, $4.95 PRIORITY MAIL. sigh


Will you be walking it there?

Yes, all the way to the mailbox. I'll be putting up the red flag by
myself, too. Want to see the video on Youtube?

--
We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond
with them. -- Abigail Adams, letter to John Adams, 1774

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:57:27 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
. ..

Would it be cheaper for you to return it to Lee Valley?

Yeah, $4.95 PRIORITY MAIL. sigh


Will you be walking it there?

Yes, all the way to the mailbox. I'll be putting up the red flag by
myself, too. Want to see the video on Youtube?


Yeah, you gotta link? How many stamps did you put on it? LOL

"Gerald Ross" wrote in message
...
Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you pay
for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a hallmark of bottom
feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small gifts for my
grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order weighed 14 oz
including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or UPS. Even
the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.
--
Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA

This subject comes up at least once or twice a year. At times, the charges
seem high, but the basic cost is fixed, no matter the value and no matter
the weight. Thee is a cost to process the order and do the paperwork. Then
the rest starts to happen. You need a carton, you need an order picker, you
need labor and packing material to get it all together, then there are the
actual UPS or whatever carrier charges. The $10 shipping really get
annoying when you need a $2 knob for the toaster. With tools and supplies,
it is an incentive to make a larger order.

The cost can vary considerably from one business to another. Amazon, for
instance, offers free shipping on $25+ orders. They are highly automated.
My company will not accept an order less that $300 and we ship freight
collect. We are not set up to handle small stuff.

Gerald Ross wrote:
Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you pay
for rather than how much it weighs.

I have noticed - I wonder if they've noticed that I've been ordering
less from them...

....probably not.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:26:27 -0600, the infamous Morris Dovey
scrawled the following:

Gerald Ross wrote:
Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you pay
for rather than how much it weighs.

I have noticed - I wonder if they've noticed that I've been ordering
less from them...

...probably not.

I'll bet Rob pops up here and gives an unequivocal "Yes" to that
query, but it's more likely from our devalued dollar than from his
company's shipping policy degradation. Overall, not from individuals.

Next time, Gerald, call Rob and ask him to pop it in an envelope for
you. bseg

--
We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond
with them. -- Abigail Adams, letter to John Adams, 1774

Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you
pay for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a hallmark of
bottom feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small gifts for
my grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order weighed 14
oz including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or UPS.
Even the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.
Gerald Ross

I feel your pain. Have you noticed that shipping costs have gone up?

I took a 6"x6"x7" box weighing a pound over to the UPS store and they
told me, to ship it two states away, would cost me $18. WTH?? I asked
why so much and they started spouting a list of fees like gas fees and
rural fees, etc. Rural I said? This isn't a rural address, it's next
to a huge mall in the heart of town!I told the UPS person I won't be
using them anymore and recommending the same to everyone else. With
those charges, especially in this economy, they're asking to get hurt.

Needless to say I didn't use UPS. Instead I got my package shipped via
Fed Ex for $5.61, including insurance. It arrived in two days.

I used to do shipping and receiving for a living and am frankly
appalled at the overcharges for average people to ship. If shipping
costs continue to rise, there will be no point in sending gifts. Be
better to send money or wait till you can get together. I'd rather
give that $18 as a money gift than waste it on shipping.

`Casper

I shipped two pallets containing about 1400 pounds each of steel targets.
They went out by Fed Ex ground. I think truck to airport, airport by
truck to site in mountains. Cheaper than truck lines by several hundred
dollars.

Martin

Casper wrote:
Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you
pay for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a hallmark of
bottom feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small gifts for
my grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order weighed 14
oz including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or UPS.
Even the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.
Gerald Ross

I feel your pain. Have you noticed that shipping costs have gone up?

I took a 6"x6"x7" box weighing a pound over to the UPS store and they
told me, to ship it two states away, would cost me $18. WTH?? I asked
why so much and they started spouting a list of fees like gas fees and
rural fees, etc. Rural I said? This isn't a rural address, it's next
to a huge mall in the heart of town!I told the UPS person I won't be
using them anymore and recommending the same to everyone else. With
those charges, especially in this economy, they're asking to get hurt.

Needless to say I didn't use UPS. Instead I got my package shipped via
Fed Ex for $5.61, including insurance. It arrived in two days.

I used to do shipping and receiving for a living and am frankly
appalled at the overcharges for average people to ship. If shipping
costs continue to rise, there will be no point in sending gifts. Be
better to send money or wait till you can get together. I'd rather
give that $18 as a money gift than waste it on shipping.

`Casper

In article 201120091915185610%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone. ca, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , Gerald Ross
wrote:

Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you
pay for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a hallmark of
bottom feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small gifts for
my grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order weighed 14
oz including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or UPS.
Even the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.

Can you drive 80 miles for $11.50?

Easily. Hell, I can manage that in my old truck -- 85 Dodge, 360 4bbl, about
17mpg on the highway -- and most cars will do far better. At the rate I paid
last time I filled up, $11.50 is 4.75 gallons, which will take my Saturn SL2
considerably farther than 80 miles. Like more than *twice* that.

Of course, that disregards the value of my *time* to drive 80 miles...

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
Snip


Easily. Hell, I can manage that in my old truck -- 85 Dodge, 360 4bbl,
about
17mpg on the highway -- and most cars will do far better. At the rate I
paid
last time I filled up, $11.50 is 4.75 gallons, which will take my Saturn
SL2
considerably farther than 80 miles. Like more than *twice* that.

Of course, that disregards the value of my *time* to drive 80 miles...


Add wear and tear on the vehicle, maintainance, pro-rated insurance. The
governmant allows you a bit over 50 cents per mile when used for business
purposes. That is probably a bit shy of actual cost.

Typically a 80 mile trip really costs you about $40.

In article , "Leon" wrote:

Add wear and tear on the vehicle, maintainance, pro-rated insurance. The
governmant allows you a bit over 50 cents per mile when used for business
purposes. That is probably a bit shy of actual cost.

Typically a 80 mile trip really costs you about $40.

Naaah. I do most of my own maintenance; I'm a careful driver, so my insurance
costs are low (less than a nickel a mile); I buy only used cars, so my
ownership cost is also low. *By far* my biggest cost in operating most of the
vehicles I've owned is the cost of gasoline.

Doug Miller wrote:

In article , "Leon" wrote:


Add wear and tear on the vehicle, maintainance, pro-rated insurance. The
governmant allows you a bit over 50 cents per mile when used for business
purposes. That is probably a bit shy of actual cost.

Typically a 80 mile trip really costs you about $40.


Naaah. I do most of my own maintenance; I'm a careful driver, so my insurance
costs are low (less than a nickel a mile); I buy only used cars, so my
ownership cost is also low. *By far* my biggest cost in operating most of the
vehicles I've owned is the cost of gasoline.

If you look at it from a business point where time is money what would
it cost if you added in even a minimum wage rate for your time?

--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA

In article , Nova wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:

In article , "Leon"
wrote:


Add wear and tear on the vehicle, maintainance, pro-rated insurance. The
governmant allows you a bit over 50 cents per mile when used for business
purposes. That is probably a bit shy of actual cost.

Typically a 80 mile trip really costs you about $40.


Naaah. I do most of my own maintenance; I'm a careful driver, so my insurance
costs are low (less than a nickel a mile); I buy only used cars, so my
ownership cost is also low. *By far* my biggest cost in operating most of the
vehicles I've owned is the cost of gasoline.

If you look at it from a business point where time is money what would
it cost if you added in even a minimum wage rate for your time?

Still a whole lot less than if I were paying someone else to do the
maintenance...

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article
201120091915185610%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone. ca, Dave
Balderstone wrote:
In article ,
Gerald Ross
wrote:

Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies
have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how
much you
pay for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a
hallmark of
bottom feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small
gifts for
my grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order
weighed 14
oz including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or
UPS.
Even the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.

Can you drive 80 miles for $11.50?

Easily. Hell, I can manage that in my old truck -- 85 Dodge, 360
4bbl, about
17mpg on the highway -- and most cars will do far better. At the
rate I paid
last time I filled up, $11.50 is 4.75 gallons, which will take
my Saturn SL2
considerably farther than 80 miles. Like more than *twice* that.

Of course, that disregards the value of my *time* to drive 80
miles...

Good truck: I had an '85 Dually with the same engine and 4-speed.
Wow, was it stable on the road.

--
Nonny

What does it mean when drool runs
out of both sides of a drunken
Congressman’s mouth?

The floor is level.

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:33:15 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
scrawled the following:

In article , Doug Miller
wrote:

Easily. Hell, I can manage that in my old truck -- 85 Dodge, 360 4bbl, about
17mpg on the highway -- and most cars will do far better. At the rate I paid
last time I filled up, $11.50 is 4.75 gallons, which will take my Saturn SL2
considerably farther than 80 miles. Like more than *twice* that.

Of course, that disregards the value of my *time* to drive 80 miles...

I didn't ask "can you use less than $11.50 in gas to drive 80 miles?",
Doug.

I asked "Can you drive 80 miles for $11.50?"

Your answer appears to be "No."

The real ****er is that the other item he bought last week, for
example, cost $1.80 for the same size and weight but from a longer
distance. And the book from across the country cost $2.37, etc.

Some of us feel that exorbitant shipping fees are unfair. YMOV

--
We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond
with them. -- Abigail Adams, letter to John Adams, 1774

On 2009-11-21 09:42:22 -0500, Larry Jaques
said:

The real ****er is that the other item he bought last week, for
example, cost $1.80 for the same size and weight but from a longer
distance. And the book from across the country cost $2.37, etc.

Nope, the real ****er is spending $8 shipping on a $3.02 order, and
then finding FedEx has "incorrectly" scanned the package for customer
pick-up. When I thought to track the order, I found it had been sitting
at the terminal for four days. Took two days more (and three phone
calls) for them to actually deliver the damn thing.

And no, I got no notification the package had arrived, nor did I get a
meaningful apology.

I'm sure this is an isolated incident...

On Nov 21, 9:42*am, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:33:15 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
scrawled the following:



In article , Doug Miller
wrote:

Easily. Hell, I can manage that in my old truck -- 85 Dodge, 360 4bbl, about
17mpg on the highway -- and most cars will do far better. At the rate I paid
last time I filled up, $11.50 is 4.75 gallons, which will take my Saturn SL2
considerably farther than 80 miles. Like more than *twice* that.

Of course, that disregards the value of my *time* to drive 80 miles...

I didn't ask "can you use less than $11.50 in gas to drive 80 miles?",
Doug.

I asked "Can you drive 80 miles for $11.50?"

Your answer appears to be "No."

The real ****er is that the other item he bought last week, for
example, cost $1.80 for the same size and weight but from a longer
distance. And the book from across the country cost $2.37, etc.

Some of us feel that exorbitant shipping fees are unfair. YMOV

--
We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond
with them. * * * * * * * * -- Abigail Adams, letter to John Adams, 1774

I've been ebaying some books in recent weeks. Through eBay most ship
for a mailing cost of $2.57. I charge $3.99. The envelope costs me 95
cents, and I have to make a 22 mile round trip to hit a post office
with them--they're all over 13 ounces, so cannot be shipped unless you
personally hand the package to the postal clerk. I'm sure I could get
the cost down by buying 200 envelopes, but I doubt that I'll sell more
than another two dozen books, so that doesn't make sense. Too, that
doesn't take into consideration the cost of a sheet of paper, tape and
ink to print and affix the labels and postage.

In recent years, shipping has turned from an important but low cost to
an important but much higher cost. People think they're getting
screwed. Maybe they are in a few cases, but in general, flat rate
shipping seems to me to be a break even deal for most items shipped
for most companies.

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:00:43 -0800 (PST), the infamous Charlie Self
scrawled the following:

On Nov 21, 9:42*am, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:33:15 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
scrawled the following:



In article , Doug Miller
wrote:

Easily. Hell, I can manage that in my old truck -- 85 Dodge, 360 4bbl, about
17mpg on the highway -- and most cars will do far better. At the rate I paid
last time I filled up, $11.50 is 4.75 gallons, which will take my Saturn SL2
considerably farther than 80 miles. Like more than *twice* that.

Of course, that disregards the value of my *time* to drive 80 miles...

I didn't ask "can you use less than $11.50 in gas to drive 80 miles?",
Doug.

I asked "Can you drive 80 miles for $11.50?"

Your answer appears to be "No."

The real ****er is that the other item he bought last week, for
example, cost $1.80 for the same size and weight but from a longer
distance. And the book from across the country cost $2.37, etc.

Some of us feel that exorbitant shipping fees are unfair. YMOV

--
We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond
with them. * * * * * * * * -- Abigail Adams, letter to John Adams, 1774

I've been ebaying some books in recent weeks. Through eBay most ship
for a mailing cost of $2.57. I charge $3.99. The envelope costs me 95
cents, and I have to make a 22 mile round trip to hit a post office
with them--they're all over 13 ounces, so cannot be shipped unless you
personally hand the package to the postal clerk. I'm sure I could get
the cost down by buying 200 envelopes, but I doubt that I'll sell more
than another two dozen books, so that doesn't make sense. Too, that
doesn't take into consideration the cost of a sheet of paper, tape and
ink to print and affix the labels and postage.

Priced 'em on eBay? It's a whole 'nother world there. I've found
9x12" bubble envelopes at Walgreens at 3/$1 on sale, too.


In recent years, shipping has turned from an important but low cost to
an important but much higher cost. People think they're getting
screwed. Maybe they are in a few cases, but in general, flat rate
shipping seems to me to be a break even deal for most items shipped
for most companies.

Charlie, I ship my NoteSHADES(tm) and tees out using Stamps.com
electronic stamps and my own mailbox. Why aren't you taking advantage
of this wonderful resource? It sure beats going to the post office
even once a week. I pay $15.99/mo and can ship boxes, envelopes, and
large envelopes via all USPS methods. The USPS gives me boxes (though
they get it back in Priority Mail fees) and I print my own stamps. The
USPS also has a cut-back program. Some months I don't ship anything,
so it's not entirely cost-effective, but it sure saves time (and
extreme hassle, especially near holidays) when I do use it.

www.stamps.com , www.endicia.com , and
http://www.usps.com/onlinepostage/welcome.htm

--
It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare;
it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
-- Seneca

On Nov 24, 2:15*pm, Dave Balderstone
wrote:
In article , Larry Jaques

wrote:
Priced 'em on eBay? *It's a whole 'nother world there. *I've found
9x12" bubble envelopes at Walgreens at 3/$1 on sale, too.

I was shopping locally for a Hoya R72 IR filter for my camera... Quoted
between $98 and $140 canuckbux.

Got one from a camera shop somewhere in Montana via eBay for $40.31
Canadian, shipping in.

I did something similar for an 82mm UV filter I needed. Those things
are not cheap, but I got one for $45 delivered, instead of $110 from
B&H. There's no place locally to buy that size filter...I think I
could have gotten it in Charlottesville, which is about 2-1/2 hours
each way.

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:34:16 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
scrawled the following:

In article , Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:33:15 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone
scrawled the following:

In article , Doug Miller
wrote:

Easily. Hell, I can manage that in my old truck -- 85 Dodge, 360 4bbl,
about
17mpg on the highway -- and most cars will do far better. At the rate I
paid
last time I filled up, $11.50 is 4.75 gallons, which will take my Saturn
SL2
considerably farther than 80 miles. Like more than *twice* that.

Of course, that disregards the value of my *time* to drive 80 miles...

I didn't ask "can you use less than $11.50 in gas to drive 80 miles?",
Doug.

I asked "Can you drive 80 miles for $11.50?"

Your answer appears to be "No."

The real ****er is that the other item he bought last week, for
example, cost $1.80 for the same size and weight but from a longer
distance. And the book from across the country cost $2.37, etc.

Some of us feel that exorbitant shipping fees are unfair. YMOV

Oh, I agree with that. I wanted to by the son a shirt from
ThinkGeek.com for his birthday but shipping from the US to Canada would
have doubled the price.

So I didn't buy it.

It's a very simple equation involving value received for money spent.

Ayup. Unfortunately, that works both ways between the US and CA. I
can no longer afford to buy Lee Valley tools, so I treasure those I
already have. The stainless transplant spade (sucker looks chromed!)
and the scraper set are real keepers, as are a dozen other items I
used to import from there. Sest lavvy.

(For those of you in Rio Linda, that last item is "C'est la vie" in
Merkin.")

--
We have too many high sounding words, and too few actions that correspond
with them. -- Abigail Adams, letter to John Adams, 1774

In article 201120092133152209%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone. ca, Dave Balderstone wrote:
In article , Doug Miller
wrote:

Easily. Hell, I can manage that in my old truck -- 85 Dodge, 360 4bbl, about
17mpg on the highway -- and most cars will do far better. At the rate I paid
last time I filled up, $11.50 is 4.75 gallons, which will take my Saturn SL2
considerably farther than 80 miles. Like more than *twice* that.

Of course, that disregards the value of my *time* to drive 80 miles...

I didn't ask "can you use less than $11.50 in gas to drive 80 miles?",
Doug.

I asked "Can you drive 80 miles for $11.50?"

Your answer appears to be "No."

Just depends on how you measure the cost. g

On Nov 20, 8:15*pm, Dave Balderstone
wrote:
In article , Gerald Ross

wrote:
Have you noticed that most of the woodworking supply companies have
quietly changed over to shipping charges being based on how much you
pay for rather than how much it weighs. This used to be a hallmark of
bottom feeders such as JC Whitney and Harbor Freight.

I first really noticed it when I ordered a couple of small gifts for
my grandson from Lee Valley. Shipping was $11.50. The order weighed 14
oz including packaging.

I live out in the hinterland and everything comes by FedEx or UPS.
Even the nearest Lowe's is 40 miles away. This really hurts.

Can you drive 80 miles for $11.50?

Not if you figure your time is worth anything.

Charlie Self wrote:

Not if you figure your time is worth anything.


Time only has worth if it would be spent producing income instead of
doing the task in question.

In most cases, we'd be spending that time posting in newsgroups which
produces no income. :-)


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"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
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"-MIKE-" wrote in message
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Charlie Self wrote:

Not if you figure your time is worth anything.


Time only has worth if it would be spent producing income instead of doing
the task in question.


..Well that is not entirely true. You could be doing something more
productive that would be a savings. Mowing the yard instead of having
paying some one else to to that.




In most cases, we'd be spending that time posting in newsgroups which
produces no income. :-)


Well actually I have cultivated several customers from this group.

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:46:47 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
scrawled the following:


"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...

In most cases, we'd be spending that time posting in newsgroups which
produces no income. :-)


Well actually I have cultivated several customers from this group.

I did, too, years back. I have a whole stable of Knight planes as a
result of one. I think his website is 3 gens beyond mine now.

I'll have to do that again this year, huh?

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It is not because things are difficult that we do not dare;
it is because we do not dare that they are difficult.
-- Seneca

Larry Jaques wrote:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:46:47 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
scrawled the following:


"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...

In most cases, we'd be spending that time posting in newsgroups which
produces no income. :-)


Well actually I have cultivated several customers from this group.

I did, too, years back. I have a whole stable of Knight planes as a
result of one. I think his website is 3 gens beyond mine now.

I'll have to do that again this year, huh?

Haven't seen Steve Knight on here in ages. Just took a look at his web
page, looks like he is still going strong.


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There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

Rob Leatham

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 11:46:47 -0600, the infamous "Leon"
scrawled the following:


"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...

In most cases, we'd be spending that time posting in newsgroups which
produces no income. :-)


Well actually I have cultivated several customers from this group.

I did, too, years back. I have a whole stable of Knight planes as a
result of one. I think his website is 3 gens beyond mine now.

I'll have to do that again this year, huh?


So did I. I ended up with 3 planes and eventually selling him well over
1,000 mouth blocks. He does not use mouth blocks anymore. :~(

"-MIKE-" wrote in message
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Time only has worth if it would be spent producing income instead of doing
the task in question.

In most cases, we'd be spending that time posting in newsgroups which
produces no income. :-)


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The time you spend with your wife has no worth? How about the time spent
with your kids? Worthless? It must be a real PIA to be worthless for 2/3 of
your day. Weekends must be really bad. Then there are holidays. Must really
suck.

CW wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...
Time only has worth if it would be spent producing income instead of doing
the task in question.

In most cases, we'd be spending that time posting in newsgroups which
produces no income. :-)


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The time you spend with your wife has no worth? How about the time spent
with your kids? Worthless? It must be a real PIA to be worthless for 2/3 of
your day. Weekends must be really bad. Then there are holidays. Must really
suck.


I presumed we were talking about work time. I assumed whatever he was
purchasing was work related, ie: income producing. Most guy who post in
here during the day are either retired, self-employed, or posting from
work (tsk-tsk). I post here, when i should be in the shop building
something. :-)

Yes, time invested in family is worth more than any paycheck.
I forget the quote, but it's something like...
"No man on his deathbed ever said 'I wish I had spent more time at the
office.'"


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-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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http://mikedrums.com

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