On Aug 26, 1:55*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,
*Red Green wrote:



Yea but at least once in a while, ya know..like first Saturday of the
month or something, show a DIY roofer plug a nail into his kneecap. Make
a nice lead-in to removing it on the Operation show..

Right. I'd like to see House and his team work through a complex set of
symptoms and finally come to the conclusion that the patient has a nail
in his kneecap.

I think it was an episode of Blog Cabin on the DIY network last year
where one of the twins nailed 3 fingers together with a nail gun.

He missed everything crucial, including crucial days of work, which
was all the drama on the show. "How are we going to get this done now
that we're a man down?"

Gimme a break - just hire 8 more of the workers that we never see on
camera.

David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/23/2009 1:25 PM David Nebenzahl spake thus:

[yes, it's Abram, not Abrams. Apparently they didn't name the tank after
him.]

Well, I don't personally hate him. Don't even know the guy.

But that's the title of the latest piece by one of my favorite
columnists in the /Berkeley Daily Planet/, Matt Cantor, local owner of
a home-inspection business who writes a weekly column on home repair
and maintenance.

Here's a sample:

I do genuinely hate these specific shows: "Hometime," "This Old House"
and "The New Yankee Workshop." I hate them for one simple reason: they
make most people feel like idiots.

Heh; got some junk mail from /Popular Woodworking/ today (don't think
I'll subscribe, as I got spoiled from reading /Fine Woodworking/). The
pitch features the cover from their August 2005 issue, with a photo of
Norm in his shop. The article title is "In the Shop with Norm Abram: We
Debunk 7 Myths About TV's Frugal Yankee".

Wonder what the myths are. Anyone have this issue lying around?

I remember that issue, way back when and they were all softball
questions. You know,
"Does Norm own the shop" and "Does Norm really have a power tool fetish"
and "Does Norm
actually build all those projects himself", that kind of thing.

I will say, Popular Woodworking surprised me, I got it on a whim one
year and have kept renewing ever since. FWW, PWW and a multi-year
subscription to Wood that someone got me is all I read these days.

On 8/26/2009 1:29 PM Brian Henderson spake thus:

I will say, Popular Woodworking surprised me, I got it on a whim one
year and have kept renewing ever since. FWW, PWW and a multi-year
subscription to Wood that someone got me is all I read these days.

Who needs Playboy or Penthouse when one has a good woodworking magazine
to drool over?


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

David Nebenzahl wrote:

Who needs Playboy or Penthouse when one has a good woodworking magazine
to drool over?

A sad sign of age. Now, where are my glasses?
-- Doug

Douglas Johnson wrote:
David Nebenzahl wrote:

Who needs Playboy or Penthouse when one has a good woodworking
magazine to drool over?

A sad sign of age. Now, where are my glasses?

Prior to reading this, I'd taken a slurp of red wine. I'm now viewing the
monitor through rose tinted glasses, I think!

"Douglas Johnson" wrote in message
...
David Nebenzahl wrote:

Who needs Playboy or Penthouse when one has a good woodworking magazine
to drool over?

A sad sign of age. Now, where are my glasses?


Over here - I have them. And I'm not looking at any damned woodworking
magazine either!

--

-Mike-

Mike Marlow wrote:
"Douglas Johnson" wrote in message
...
David Nebenzahl wrote:

Who needs Playboy or Penthouse when one has a good woodworking
magazine to drool over?

A sad sign of age. Now, where are my glasses?


Over here - I have them. And I'm not looking at any damned
woodworking magazine either!

steward, the screen's got rosier!

David Nebenzahl writes:

On 8/26/2009 1:29 PM Brian Henderson spake thus:

Who needs Playboy or Penthouse when one has a good woodworking
magazine to drool over?

I'm sorry, but no matter how old I get, a cool new tool will never
replace a great pair of nipples. When they do, that's the day I take a
nail gun to my brain pan. :|

nb

Red Green wrote in
:


So many of my thought he printed.

They do need a reality show along those lines! The one where the
victim, aka DIY'r, turns the wrench to losen the whatever and every
pipe connected to it twists like a transmission tower that Godzilla
blew his big bad Habanero breath on.


There's a new one on DIY called "Renovation Realities". There's also
"Dream House" that's kinda like that.

Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

"Lisa BB." wrote in news:0025f6e8$0$25938
:

Norm is sexy.


****! That means even I have a shot at being sexy to someone!!

.....


Heeeeeey, you're not a guy or one of those "sh'im"s are ya?

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:01:21 -0500, Red Green
wrote:

"Lisa BB." wrote in news:0025f6e8$0$25938
:

Norm is sexy.


****! That means even I have a shot at being sexy to someone!!


Maybe to Harold.

"If it ain't broke, don't lend it."
Red Green

On 2009-08-29, krw wrote:


"If it ain't broke, don't lend it."
Red Green

Red Green was funny for about two and a half episodes.

nb

krw wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:01:21 -0500, Red Green
wrote:

"Lisa BB." wrote in news:0025f6e8$0$25938
:

Norm is sexy.

****! That means even I have a shot at being sexy to someone!!


Maybe to Harold.

"If it ain't broke, don't lend it."
Red Green

What was his other quote? 'If you can't be handsome, at least be handy',
or words to that effect?

--
aem sends...

On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:53:17 GMT, notbob wrote:

On 2009-08-29, krw wrote:


"If it ain't broke, don't lend it."
Red Green

Red Green was funny for about two and a half episodes.

SWMBO didn't think it funny that long. Just shows that some have no
sense of humor.

notbob wrote:
On 2009-08-29, krw wrote:

"If it ain't broke, don't lend it."
Red Green

Red Green was funny for about two and a half episodes.

nb

Over your head, eh?

--
"Even if your wife is happy but you're unhappy, you're still happier
than you'd be if you were happy and your wife was unhappy." - Red Green
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

On 2009-08-30, Steve Turner wrote:

Over your head, eh?

Yep. Deep stuff. Hee Haw was equally profound.

nb

notbob wrote:
On 2009-08-30, Steve Turner wrote:

Over your head, eh?

Yep. Deep stuff. Hee Haw was equally profound.

nb

Yeah well, the percentage of time I sit down at the TV looking for
something "deep" or "profound" is pretty close to never. I'm almost
always trying to accomplish *something*, and time spent in front of the
TV is time that's a-wasting. When I finally decide I have absolutely
nothing better to do and all I desire is sit down, relax, and waste some
serious time, mindless entertainment is what I seek and Red Green fits
the bill quite nicely. There's nothing deep about it, and that's the
way I like it. I quite enjoy Hee-Haw too, thank you very much.

--
See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad!
To reply, eat the taco.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbqboyee/

On 2009-08-30, Steve Turner wrote:

the bill quite nicely. There's nothing deep about it, and that's the
way I like it. I quite enjoy Hee-Haw too, thank you very much.

Gee. I'm sorry . Don't cry.

nb

Steve Turner wrote:
notbob wrote:
On 2009-08-30, Steve Turner wrote:

Over your head, eh?

Yep. Deep stuff. Hee Haw was equally profound.

nb

Yeah well, the percentage of time I sit down at the TV looking for
something "deep" or "profound" is pretty close to never. I'm almost
always trying to accomplish *something*, and time spent in front of the
TV is time that's a-wasting. When I finally decide I have absolutely
nothing better to do and all I desire is sit down, relax, and waste some
serious time, mindless entertainment is what I seek and Red Green fits
the bill quite nicely. There's nothing deep about it, and that's the
way I like it. I quite enjoy Hee-Haw too, thank you very much.

How many rolls of duct tape do you have within arms reach?

Mysterious Traveler

On 2009-08-30, Mysterious Traveler wrote:

How many rolls of duct tape do you have within arms reach?

I hafta admit, I was impressed with the duct tape/inner tube arm
chair.

nb

"notbob" wrote:

I hafta admit, I was impressed with the duct tape/inner tube arm
chair.

Are the construction methods approved by the American Duct Tape
Counsel as practiced in Lake Wobegon?

BTW, are you aware you can use duct tape to mow your grass?


Lew

"aemeijers" wrote in message
...
krw wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:01:21 -0500, Red Green
wrote:

"Lisa BB." wrote in news:0025f6e8$0$25938
:

Norm is sexy.

****! That means even I have a shot at being sexy to someone!!


Maybe to Harold.

"If it ain't broke, don't lend it."
Red Green

What was his other quote? 'If you can't be handsome, at least be handy',
or words to that effect?

I women don't find you handsome they should at least find you handy.

"Leon" wrote in message
If women don't find you handsome they should at least find you handy.

And just maybe, if they find him handy, they'll realize he's good for other
services too.

Leon wrote:
"aemeijers" wrote in message
...
krw wrote:
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:01:21 -0500, Red Green
wrote:

"Lisa BB." wrote in news:0025f6e8$0$25938
:

Norm is sexy.

****! That means even I have a shot at being sexy to someone!!

Maybe to Harold.

"If it ain't broke, don't lend it."
Red Green
What was his other quote? 'If you can't be handsome, at least be handy',
or words to that effect?

If women don't find you handsome they should at least find you handy.




Thanks. that's it.
Cute saying, but I never did find it to apply much in real life....

--
aem sends, alone as always...

On Aug 24, 8:09*am, "Leon" wrote:
"DGDevin" wrote in message

m... notbob wrote:

* I agree that the "This Old Mansion" thing is

sometimes carried too far, but the companies supplying that gee-whiz
technology help to pay for the show too. *And five minutes later Tommy is
showing us how to install a garage door or sharpen a chisel--it ain't all
big-bucks high-tech stuff.

PLUS! * Tommy keeps us up to date on all the new Festool stuff!

*golf clap*

On Aug 24, 1:41*pm, FrozenNorth
wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
DGDevin wrote:
Many of us could handle framing or drywall or painting but
would think twice about trying serious plumbing or wiring.

I would much rather do framing, plumbing and wiring than drywall or
painting. I'm certainly qualified and capable of all of those tasks,
however drywall is bloody heavy and tedious to tape well, and painting
is equally tedious.

A good, detail oriented framer can make a 'waller's job much easier.
Like anyone else, you have to deal with what you were left.

But I never attempt drywall. It's easy to do a half-a$$ jog of it, even
for a so-called pro. Doing a great job at finishing that stuff is a
skill and an art that is maintained by doing it repetitively and taking
pride in your work. I think *anyone* can get great at it, given a few
weeks on the job, but I'll gladly pay the experts to do it.

Amen, the only drywall I have ever done was approximately an 8' by 8' wall,
i.e. two sheets. *I futzed over it for days even when i knew it was going to
be mostly covered by kitchen cabinets and a tile backsplash.

But it will look good, if someone ever takes the cabinets down.
;-)

--
Froz...

I suck at drywall. Sure it looks great when I am finally done, but I
really don't have to hold the tolerances of a solid surface
countertop.
I'm in houses, where drywall crews are going at it, at least a couple
of times a week and I clearly see the difference between the hacks and
the pros. It's an art.

Robatoy wrote:
On Aug 24, 1:41 pm, FrozenNorth
wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
DGDevin wrote:
Many of us could handle framing or drywall or painting but
would think twice about trying serious plumbing or wiring.
I would much rather do framing, plumbing and wiring than drywall or
painting. I'm certainly qualified and capable of all of those tasks,
however drywall is bloody heavy and tedious to tape well, and painting
is equally tedious.
A good, detail oriented framer can make a 'waller's job much easier.
Like anyone else, you have to deal with what you were left.
But I never attempt drywall. It's easy to do a half-a$$ jog of it, even
for a so-called pro. Doing a great job at finishing that stuff is a
skill and an art that is maintained by doing it repetitively and taking
pride in your work. I think *anyone* can get great at it, given a few
weeks on the job, but I'll gladly pay the experts to do it.
Amen, the only drywall I have ever done was approximately an 8' by 8' wall,
i.e. two sheets. I futzed over it for days even when i knew it was going to
be mostly covered by kitchen cabinets and a tile backsplash.

But it will look good, if someone ever takes the cabinets down.
;-)

--
Froz...

I suck at drywall. Sure it looks great when I am finally done, but I
really don't have to hold the tolerances of a solid surface
countertop.
I'm in houses, where drywall crews are going at it, at least a couple
of times a week and I clearly see the difference between the hacks and
the pros. It's an art.

Agreed, but it would have been impossible to get a pro in for such a
small job. I just had to suck it up, and go with it there, I have hired
out for bigger jobs.

--
Froz...

On Aug 30, 4:28*pm, FrozenNorth
wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Aug 24, 1:41 pm, FrozenNorth
wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
DGDevin wrote:
Many of us could handle framing or drywall or painting but
would think twice about trying serious plumbing or wiring.
I would much rather do framing, plumbing and wiring than drywall or
painting. I'm certainly qualified and capable of all of those tasks,
however drywall is bloody heavy and tedious to tape well, and painting
is equally tedious.
A good, detail oriented framer can make a 'waller's job much easier.
Like anyone else, you have to deal with what you were left.
But I never attempt drywall. It's easy to do a half-a$$ jog of it, even
for a so-called pro. Doing a great job at finishing that stuff is a
skill and an art that is maintained by doing it repetitively and taking
pride in your work. I think *anyone* can get great at it, given a few
weeks on the job, but I'll gladly pay the experts to do it.
Amen, the only drywall I have ever done was approximately an 8' by 8' wall,
i.e. two sheets. *I futzed over it for days even when i knew it was going to
be mostly covered by kitchen cabinets and a tile backsplash.

But it will look good, if someone ever takes the cabinets down.
;-)

--
Froz...

I suck at drywall. Sure it looks great when I am finally done, but I
really don't have to hold the tolerances of a solid surface
countertop.
I'm in houses, where drywall crews are going at it, at least a couple
of times a week and I clearly see the difference between the hacks and
the pros. It's an art.

Agreed, but it would have been impossible to get a pro in for such a
small job. *I just had to suck it up, and go with it there, I have hired
out for bigger jobs.

--
Froz...

Yup, the small jobs take just as much sometimes as jobs 3 x the size.
You have to haul your gear, load up and clean up. Just like the big
jobs.
In my case, it doesn't matter if I glue up 7 feet or 11 feet of edging
on a countertop. It's a 12-foot sheet regardless.
And, in terms of time, I can fabricate a 12-foot job in the same time
as a 4-foot (give or take a few extra feet of sanding).. the 4-foot
job comes with a customer who can't get her/his head around the
price... the 12-foot customer 'gets it' much sooner.
Small jobs mostly suck unless I can use a remnant which makes up for
the PITA.

Robatoy wrote:
On Aug 30, 4:28 pm, FrozenNorth
wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
On Aug 24, 1:41 pm, FrozenNorth
wrote:
-MIKE- wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
DGDevin wrote:
Many of us could handle framing or drywall or painting but
would think twice about trying serious plumbing or wiring.
I would much rather do framing, plumbing and wiring than drywall or
painting. I'm certainly qualified and capable of all of those tasks,
however drywall is bloody heavy and tedious to tape well, and painting
is equally tedious.
A good, detail oriented framer can make a 'waller's job much easier.
Like anyone else, you have to deal with what you were left.
But I never attempt drywall. It's easy to do a half-a$$ jog of it, even
for a so-called pro. Doing a great job at finishing that stuff is a
skill and an art that is maintained by doing it repetitively and taking
pride in your work. I think *anyone* can get great at it, given a few
weeks on the job, but I'll gladly pay the experts to do it.
Amen, the only drywall I have ever done was approximately an 8' by 8' wall,
i.e. two sheets. I futzed over it for days even when i knew it was going to
be mostly covered by kitchen cabinets and a tile backsplash.
But it will look good, if someone ever takes the cabinets down.
;-)
--
Froz...
I suck at drywall. Sure it looks great when I am finally done, but I
really don't have to hold the tolerances of a solid surface
countertop.
I'm in houses, where drywall crews are going at it, at least a couple
of times a week and I clearly see the difference between the hacks and
the pros. It's an art.
Agreed, but it would have been impossible to get a pro in for such a
small job. I just had to suck it up, and go with it there, I have hired
out for bigger jobs.

--
Froz...

Yup, the small jobs take just as much sometimes as jobs 3 x the size.
You have to haul your gear, load up and clean up. Just like the big
jobs.
In my case, it doesn't matter if I glue up 7 feet or 11 feet of edging
on a countertop. It's a 12-foot sheet regardless.
And, in terms of time, I can fabricate a 12-foot job in the same time
as a 4-foot (give or take a few extra feet of sanding).. the 4-foot
job comes with a customer who can't get her/his head around the
price... the 12-foot customer 'gets it' much sooner.
Small jobs mostly suck unless I can use a remnant which makes up for
the PITA.

Chuckle. That is one lesson my father the house designer always tries to
impart to his customers- they get the most bang for the buck when they
design the house around standard material sizes. He likes to design
houses where the floor decking and roof decking use full and half
sheets, the joists never need trimming, the foundation only uses full
blocks, etc. Wasted materials annoy him.

--
aem sends...

On Aug 30, 6:30*pm, aemeijers wrote:


Chuckle. That is one lesson my father the house designer always tries to
impart to his customers- they get the most bang for the buck when they
design the house around standard material sizes. He likes to design
houses where the floor decking and roof decking use full and half
sheets, the joists never need trimming, the foundation only uses full
blocks, etc. Wasted materials annoy him.

My husband has a friend who's having some space bumped out of her
2nd floor--the standard giant shed dormer kind of thing. The original
plan was to have the side wall come out to the existing wall, which
would have carried the load nicely. She has some other friend who's
an architect, who said that the dormer would look better smaller, so
now the builder has to transfer the load a couple feet out to the
existing
wall. The net addition is about 15% smaller than the original plan,
and
she was surprised that the quote didn't come in at 15% less. She's
lucky it isn't more.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:41:24 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Aug 30, 6:30*pm, aemeijers wrote:


Chuckle. That is one lesson my father the house designer always tries to
impart to his customers- they get the most bang for the buck when they
design the house around standard material sizes. He likes to design
houses where the floor decking and roof decking use full and half
sheets, the joists never need trimming, the foundation only uses full
blocks, etc. Wasted materials annoy him.

My husband has a friend who's having some space bumped out of her
2nd floor--the standard giant shed dormer kind of thing. The original
plan was to have the side wall come out to the existing wall, which
would have carried the load nicely. She has some other friend who's
an architect, who said that the dormer would look better smaller, so
now the builder has to transfer the load a couple feet out to the
existing
wall. The net addition is about 15% smaller than the original plan,
and
she was surprised that the quote didn't come in at 15% less. She's
lucky it isn't more.

IMO, the architect is right. Shed dormers that go all the way to the
outside wall look dumb. My last house was designed like that, but at
least it was in the back. Whether the "wasted" space is worth the
looks is a matter of opinion. If appearances didn't matter houses
would be windowless cubes.

Douglas Johnson wrote in
:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

Who needs Playboy or Penthouse when one has a good woodworking magazine
to drool over?

A sad sign of age. Now, where are my glasses?
-- Doug



A sad sign of age.

FatMax tapes and fat asses both are OK.

In article m,
kens says...
Well, I don't personally hate him. Don't even know the guy.

But that's the title of the latest piece by one of my favorite
columnists in the /Berkeley Daily Planet/, Matt Cantor, local owner of a
home-inspection business who writes a weekly column on home repair and
maintenance.

Here's a sample:

I do genuinely hate these specific shows: "Hometime," "This Old House"
and "The New Yankee Workshop." I hate them for one simple reason: they
make most people feel like idiots. Even if a show only demonstrates how
to build a basic chest of drawers, it does a lousy job of preparing the
average Joe or Joan for the task. In the end, the show provides nothing
more than boutique shopping and showing off. I suppose that would be a
lot of fun if you only want to learn that you?as a homeowner or stock
broker or bank clerk?know nothing about houses or furniture or nails and
that you?ll never stand a chance of doing more than hanging a picture on
the wall.

On shows like these, the jobs are made to look so darned easy. All the
materials are waiting for assembly and nothing is spoiled, the wrong
type or missing. The air gun never misfires and the compressor never
needs to be drained (yes, you have to drain compressors daily because
they fill up with water and will rust out if you don?t do so). That?s
another thing I hate: in actuality, there are many small details that
fill a contractor?s day (or your day when you play contractor) but
they?re neatly edited out, just as they are in a cooking show. Just pop
the raw one in the oven and Voila, the new freshly baked one comes right
out of the other oven.

(See article at
http://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue.../article/33531)

It sounds like your favorite columnist is hurting for
things to write about. Does he seriously want Norm to
stop the show to drain the compressor?

Sincerely,

Bradley Nailer

On Aug 31, 10:42*pm, samson wrote:
In article m,
says...





Well, I don't personally hate him. Don't even know the guy.

But that's the title of the latest piece by one of my favorite
columnists in the /Berkeley Daily Planet/, Matt Cantor, local owner of a
home-inspection business who writes a weekly column on home repair and
maintenance.

Here's a sample:

* *I do genuinely hate these specific shows: "Hometime," "This Old House"
* *and "The New Yankee Workshop." I hate them for one simple reason: they
* *make most people feel like idiots. Even if a show only demonstrates how
* *to build a basic chest of drawers, it does a lousy job of preparing the
* *average Joe or Joan for the task. In the end, the show provides nothing
* *more than boutique shopping and showing off. I suppose that would be a
* *lot of fun if you only want to learn that you?as a homeowner or stock
* *broker or bank clerk?know nothing about houses or furniture or nails and
* *that you?ll never stand a chance of doing more than hanging a picture on
* *the wall.

* *On shows like these, the jobs are made to look so darned easy. All the
* *materials are waiting for assembly and nothing is spoiled, the wrong
* *type or missing. The air gun never misfires and the compressor never
* *needs to be drained (yes, you have to drain compressors daily because
* *they fill up with water and will rust out if you don?t do so). That?s
* *another thing I hate: in actuality, there are many small details that
* *fill a contractor?s day (or your day when you play contractor) but
* *they?re neatly edited out, just as they are in a cooking show. Just pop
* *the raw one in the oven and Voila, the new freshly baked one comes right
* *out of the other oven.

(See article at
http://berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue.../article/33531)

It sounds like your favorite columnist is hurting for
things to write about. Does he seriously want Norm to
stop the show to drain the compressor?

Sincerely,

Bradley Nailer

Norm could quickly read off a laundry list, some of the items being:

Wear nitrile gloves when using yukkie stuff.
Drain your compressor.
Safety glasses often aren't enough. Wear Goggles.
Do NOT use a hair-dryer in the bath tub.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
Norm could quickly read off a laundry list, some of the items being:

Or he could suggest a section to view on his website that contains safety
suggestions and run of the mill stuff that users should view on occasion.
Stuff that would eat up valuable TV time if he went through it every time on
his show.

On Aug 31, 8:03*pm, krw wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:41:24 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton





wrote:
On Aug 30, 6:30*pm, aemeijers wrote:

Chuckle. That is one lesson my father the house designer always tries to
impart to his customers- they get the most bang for the buck when they
design the house around standard material sizes. He likes to design
houses where the floor decking and roof decking use full and half
sheets, the joists never need trimming, the foundation only uses full
blocks, etc. Wasted materials annoy him.

My husband has a friend who's having some space bumped out of her
2nd floor--the standard giant shed dormer kind of thing. *The original
plan was to have the side wall come out to the existing wall, which
would have carried the load nicely. *She has some other friend who's
an architect, who said that the dormer would look better smaller, so
now the builder has to transfer the load a couple feet out to the
existing
wall. *The net addition is about 15% smaller than the original plan,
and
she was surprised that the quote didn't come in at 15% less. *She's
lucky it isn't more.

IMO, the architect is right. *Shed dormers that go all the way to the
outside wall look dumb. *My last house was designed like that, but at
least it was in the back. *Whether the "wasted" space is worth the
looks is a matter of opinion. *If appearances didn't matter houses
would be windowless cubes.-

It was the back of the house in a yard where you couldn't get far
enough
from the house to really see it. I'd have done what the builder first
proposed.
The architect has also made it more difficult/expensive to insulate.
Luckily,
the builder seems like a stand-up guy, so he'll probably do it right.

Relating back to the original topic, while I can see why one could
dislike
NYW and TOH, one of my favorite TV renovation shows is Holmes on
Homes. The guy is capable of a mighty, righteous anger.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 1 Sep 2009 07:41:16 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Aug 31, 8:03*pm, krw wrote:
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:41:24 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton





wrote:
On Aug 30, 6:30*pm, aemeijers wrote:

Chuckle. That is one lesson my father the house designer always tries to
impart to his customers- they get the most bang for the buck when they
design the house around standard material sizes. He likes to design
houses where the floor decking and roof decking use full and half
sheets, the joists never need trimming, the foundation only uses full
blocks, etc. Wasted materials annoy him.

My husband has a friend who's having some space bumped out of her
2nd floor--the standard giant shed dormer kind of thing. *The original
plan was to have the side wall come out to the existing wall, which
would have carried the load nicely. *She has some other friend who's
an architect, who said that the dormer would look better smaller, so
now the builder has to transfer the load a couple feet out to the
existing
wall. *The net addition is about 15% smaller than the original plan,
and
she was surprised that the quote didn't come in at 15% less. *She's
lucky it isn't more.

IMO, the architect is right. *Shed dormers that go all the way to the
outside wall look dumb. *My last house was designed like that, but at
least it was in the back. *Whether the "wasted" space is worth the
looks is a matter of opinion. *If appearances didn't matter houses
would be windowless cubes.-

It was the back of the house in a yard where you couldn't get far
enough
from the house to really see it.

As was mine. It still looked dumb.

I'd have done what the builder first proposed.

That's you. As I said, to each his own. But, there is *good* reason
to do what the architect suggested. Full shed dormers over the main
wall look *dumb*.

The architect has also made it more difficult/expensive to insulate.
Luckily,
the builder seems like a stand-up guy, so he'll probably do it right.

The architect did his job so now it's up to the builder to do his. If
he didn't think he could do it (and right) he had no business taking
the job.

Relating back to the original topic, while I can see why one could
dislike
NYW and TOH, one of my favorite TV renovation shows is Holmes on
Homes. The guy is capable of a mighty, righteous anger.