So, I was trying to do a search of the group archives using Google
Groups. It seems that I'm only getting results from the past month. I
did a test search on the term 'saw' and only got 280 results, with the
oldest being from July 9.

I've looked all over in the groups preferences and so on, but cannot
find anything that would set a limit on the age of the results. Any
one have the same problem, or a fix?

Mike wrote:
So, I was trying to do a search of the group archives using Google
Groups. It seems that I'm only getting results from the past month. I
did a test search on the term 'saw' and only got 280 results, with the
oldest being from July 9.

I've looked all over in the groups preferences and so on, but cannot
find anything that would set a limit on the age of the results. Any
one have the same problem, or a fix?

You are right, something is at least broken temporarily.
Hopefully not permanent.

--
Froz...

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:29:24 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote:

So, I was trying to do a search of the group archives using Google
Groups. It seems that I'm only getting results from the past month. I
did a test search on the term 'saw' and only got 280 results, with the
oldest being from July 9.

I've looked all over in the groups preferences and so on, but cannot
find anything that would set a limit on the age of the results. Any
one have the same problem, or a fix?

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead of Google.

Gordon Shumway

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:46:50 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead of Google.

I believe the typical news server doesn't archive the content. If
that's the case, the only posts that would be available would be those
within that server's retention policy which varies from provider to
provider.

There may be more complete archives of specific groups, but it's my
understanding that Google Groups is probably the most complete (least
incomplete?) general archive available.



Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:54:15 -0500, Tom Veatch wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:46:50 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead of Google.

I believe the typical news server doesn't archive the content. If
that's the case, the only posts that would be available would be those
within that server's retention policy which varies from provider to
provider.

There may be more complete archives of specific groups, but it's my
understanding that Google Groups is probably the most complete (least
incomplete?) general archive available.



Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA


Tom,

Currently there are over 30,000 posts on Newsguy that match the OP's
criteria. The oldest is dated May of 2005. I have no idea how long
Google retains posts for but I would think it wouldn't be that long.

Gordon Shumway

Gordon Shumway wrote in
:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:54:15 -0500, Tom Veatch
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:46:50 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead
of Google.

I believe the typical news server doesn't archive the
content. If that's the case, the only posts that would be
available would be those within that server's retention
policy which varies from provider to provider.

There may be more complete archives of specific groups, but
it's my understanding that Google Groups is probably the
most complete (least incomplete?) general archive
available.



Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA


Tom,

Currently there are over 30,000 posts on Newsguy that match
the OP's criteria. The oldest is dated May of 2005. I
have no idea how long Google retains posts for but I would
think it wouldn't be that long.

Gordon Shumway


Scroll down to 2001 and look at the first company aquisition.
To the best of my knowledge, Google does not remove newsgroup
posts, ever.

Larry

Larry wrote in
:

Gordon Shumway wrote in
:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:54:15 -0500, Tom Veatch
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:46:50 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead
of Google.

I believe the typical news server doesn't archive the
content. If that's the case, the only posts that would be
available would be those within that server's retention
policy which varies from provider to provider.

There may be more complete archives of specific groups,
but it's my understanding that Google Groups is probably
the most complete (least incomplete?) general archive
available.



Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA


Tom,

Currently there are over 30,000 posts on Newsguy that
match the OP's criteria. The oldest is dated May of 2005.
I have no idea how long Google retains posts for but I
would think it wouldn't be that long.

Gordon Shumway


Scroll down to 2001 and look at the first company
aquisition. To the best of my knowledge, Google does not
remove newsgroup posts, ever.

Larry


I guess if I wasn't a dumbass I could have included the link.

http://www.google.com/corporate/history.html

Larry wrote:
Gordon Shumway wrote in
:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:54:15 -0500, Tom Veatch
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:46:50 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead
of Google.

I believe the typical news server doesn't archive the
content. If that's the case, the only posts that would be
available would be those within that server's retention
policy which varies from provider to provider.

There may be more complete archives of specific groups, but
it's my understanding that Google Groups is probably the
most complete (least incomplete?) general archive
available.



Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA


Tom,

Currently there are over 30,000 posts on Newsguy that match
the OP's criteria. The oldest is dated May of 2005. I
have no idea how long Google retains posts for but I would
think it wouldn't be that long.

Gordon Shumway


Scroll down to 2001 and look at the first company aquisition.
To the best of my knowledge, Google does not remove newsgroup
posts, ever.

They will on request, under some circumstances.

Larry wrote in news:Xns9C57E5765BBBnone@
216.151.153.60:


Scroll down to 2001 and look at the first company aquisition.
To the best of my knowledge, Google does not remove newsgroup
posts, ever.

Larry


FWIW, they seem to respect X-No-Archive. I've seen messages that were
going to disappear in a few days when the X-No-Archive timeout expired.

Puckdropper
--
"The potential difference between the top and bottom of a tree is the
reason why all trees have to be grounded..." -- Bored Borg on
rec.woodworking

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:54:15 -0500, Tom Veatch wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:46:50 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead of Google.

I believe the typical news server doesn't archive the content. If
that's the case, the only posts that would be available would be
those within that server's retention policy which varies from
provider to provider.

There may be more complete archives of specific groups, but it's my
understanding that Google Groups is probably the most complete (least
incomplete?) general archive available.



Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS
USA


Tom,

Currently there are over 30,000 posts on Newsguy that match the OP's
criteria. The oldest is dated May of 2005. I have no idea how long
Google retains posts for but I would think it wouldn't be that long.

Well, Gordon, you think wrong. Google Groups is what used to be known as
"dejanews", whose sole purpose to existence was an attempt to archive
_everything_ that had _ever_ been posted on USENET. When Google took over
deja, they had posts going back to 1996. Google has since obtained several
other archives that contain posts going back to 1981.

Where Google went wrong was when they decided to compete with USENET instead
of just archiving it.

On 7/29/2009 6:54 PM Tom Veatch spake thus:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:46:50 -0500, Gordon Shumway
wrote:

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead of Google.

I believe the typical news server doesn't archive the content. If
that's the case, the only posts that would be available would be those
within that server's retention policy which varies from provider to
provider.

There may be more complete archives of specific groups, but it's my
understanding that Google Groups is probably the most complete (least
incomplete?) general archive available.

Someone should compose a requiem for DejaNews, which was a hundred times
better than Google's ****ed-up implementation of an internet archive
(complete with non-altruistic profit motive, unlike Deja).


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

David Nebenzahl wrote:

Someone should compose a requiem for DejaNews, which was a hundred times
better than Google's ****ed-up implementation of an internet archive
(complete with non-altruistic profit motive, unlike Deja).

Except, Deja is GONE! If it weren't for Googles "non-altruistic profit
motive" so would the archives be gone...

Not to mention I have never had to pay Google a dime, for anything from
which they profit. In fact, I often marvel at how much they are worth,
considering they charge consumers nothing for their services. Not bad
for a company with a "non-altruistic profit motive"

--
Jack
Using FREE News Server: http://www.eternal-september.org/
http://jbstein.com

On 7/30/2009 7:40 AM Jack Stein spake thus:

David Nebenzahl wrote:

Someone should compose a requiem for DejaNews, which was a hundred times
better than Google's ****ed-up implementation of an internet archive
(complete with non-altruistic profit motive, unlike Deja).

Except, Deja is GONE!

Well, that's my point.

Not to mention I have never had to pay Google a dime, for anything from
which they profit. In fact, I often marvel at how much they are worth,
considering they charge consumers nothing for their services. Not bad
for a company with a "non-altruistic profit motive"

Of course they don't charge users for their services. But think for a
minute about how they make their money, and who pays them for what.


--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:29:24 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote:

So, I was trying to do a search of the group archives using Google
Groups. It seems that I'm only getting results from the past month. I
did a test search on the term 'saw' and only got 280 results, with
the oldest being from July 9.

I've looked all over in the groups preferences and so on, but cannot
find anything that would set a limit on the age of the results. Any
one have the same problem, or a fix?

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead of Google.

A news readar and news server is not a substitute for the dejanews archive
that Google maintains, containing posts going back into the late '80s.

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:30:00 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:29:24 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote:

So, I was trying to do a search of the group archives using Google
Groups. It seems that I'm only getting results from the past month. I
did a test search on the term 'saw' and only got 280 results, with
the oldest being from July 9.

I've looked all over in the groups preferences and so on, but cannot
find anything that would set a limit on the age of the results. Any
one have the same problem, or a fix?

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead of Google.

A news readar and news server is not a substitute for the dejanews archive
that Google maintains, containing posts going back into the late '80s.


I'm not too sure about your "dejanews archive" statement. I just
looked at Google Groups for the first time tonight. There are
currently 216,000+ messages archived in this group at Google. At the
same time there are also 216,000+ messages on NewsGuy. Actually there
are a few hundred more on newsguy than Google but who's counting.

With that information I wouldn't be surprised to know that Google is
maintaining a Newsguy archive.

Gordon Shumway

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:30:00 -0400, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:29:24 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

So, I was trying to do a search of the group archives using Google
Groups. It seems that I'm only getting results from the past
month. I did a test search on the term 'saw' and only got 280
results, with the oldest being from July 9.

I've looked all over in the groups preferences and so on, but
cannot find anything that would set a limit on the age of the
results. Any one have the same problem, or a fix?

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead of Google.

A news readar and news server is not a substitute for the dejanews
archive that Google maintains, containing posts going back into the
late '80s.


I'm not too sure about your "dejanews archive" statement.

Read the wikipedia entry on "dejanews". If you are doubting the existence
of dejanews, google it. If you are doubting that Google took over the
archive, go to http://www.dejanews.com and see what you get. If you doubt
that the archive goes back to the 1980s then go to http://www.dejanews.com,
click "advanced search", set the Message Dates to 1 Jan 1981 to 1 Jan 1982,
and for "Group" put "*" (without the quotes), and see what you get.

I just
looked at Google Groups for the first time tonight. There are
currently 216,000+ messages archived in this group at Google. At the
same time there are also 216,000+ messages on NewsGuy. Actually there
are a few hundred more on newsguy than Google but who's counting.

With that information I wouldn't be surprised to know that Google is
maintaining a Newsguy archive.

Gordon Shumway

On Jul 29, 8:37*pm, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:30:00 -0400, "J. Clarke"



wrote:
Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:29:24 -0700 (PDT), Mike wrote:

So, I was trying to do a search of the group archives using Google
Groups. It seems that I'm only getting results from the past month. I
did a test search on the term 'saw' and only got 280 results, with
the oldest being from July 9.

I've looked all over in the groups preferences and so on, but cannot
find anything that would set a limit on the age of the results. Any
one have the same problem, or a fix?

Get yourself a news reader and use a news server instead of Google.

A news readar and news server is not a substitute for the dejanews archive
that Google maintains, containing posts going back into the late '80s.

I'm not too sure about your "dejanews archive" statement. *I just
looked at Google Groups for the first time tonight. *There are
currently 216,000+ messages archived in this group at Google. *At the
same time there are also 216,000+ messages on NewsGuy. *Actually there
are a few hundred more on newsguy than Google but who's counting.

With that information I wouldn't be surprised to know that Google is
maintaining a Newsguy archive.

You can see a whole lot of rec.woodworking posts archived by Google
back to 1994 or so on my humour page.

http://www.yukonomics.ca/wooddorking/humour.html

Luigi

In article ,
says...

A news readar and news server is not a substitute for the dejanews archive
that Google maintains, containing posts going back into the late '80s.

Google is not a substitute for the dejanews archive, which Google lost.

phorbin wrote:
In article ,
says...

A news readar and news server is not a substitute for the dejanews
archive that Google maintains, containing posts going back into the
late '80s.

Google is not a substitute for the dejanews archive, which Google
lost.

When did this loss occur?

In article ,
says...
phorbin wrote:
In article ,
says...

A news readar and news server is not a substitute for the dejanews
archive that Google maintains, containing posts going back into the
late '80s.

Google is not a substitute for the dejanews archive, which Google
lost.

When did this loss occur?


It was a failed attempt to migrate the Dejanews database to Google. I
don't know how much they lost, but every thing I'd written was erased
from the record and I'd been a participant all over the place for a long
time.

There was a sorta oops, we broke it permanently message when it
happened. --I'll admit to wondering if they meant to break it.

The information is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deja_News

Mike wrote:
So, I was trying to do a search of the group archives using Google
Groups. It seems that I'm only getting results from the past month. I
did a test search on the term 'saw' and only got 280 results, with the
oldest being from July 9.

I've looked all over in the groups preferences and so on, but cannot
find anything that would set a limit on the age of the results. Any
one have the same problem, or a fix?

"Hello All,

Currently some Google Groups are not being indexed and thus new
content is not showing up in search results. We're aware of the issue
and hope to have it resolved shortly. Thanks for your patience."

The Google Groups Team
http://groups.google.com/group/group...8d02f269a7d20d

That says that "new content" is not showing up but what you found, and I
verified, is that older content isn't being shown. Maybe the two are
related.

Tanus

Mike wrote:
So, I was trying to do a search of the group archives using Google
Groups. It seems that I'm only getting results from the past month. I
did a test search on the term 'saw' and only got 280 results, with the
oldest being from July 9.

I've looked all over in the groups preferences and so on, but cannot
find anything that would set a limit on the age of the results. Any
one have the same problem, or a fix?

Somehow Google has managed to hose their indexes. Give it a few days and it
will probably be working again and some other group will be busted.

Mike wrote:
: So, I was trying to do a search of the group archives using Google
: Groups. It seems that I'm only getting results from the past month. I
: did a test search on the term 'saw' and only got 280 results, with the
: oldest being from July 9.

: I've looked all over in the groups preferences and so on, but cannot
: find anything that would set a limit on the age of the results. Any
: one have the same problem, or a fix?

I've been having problems searching newsgroups on Google for months now.
If you go to "advanced search", there is a date delimiter, but
more often than not I can't retrieve posts I know exist even if
I set the date rang for the last ten years.



Something's awry.

-- Andy Barss