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Human Stupidity strikes again
Luckily not me this time.
Some local was using a Circular saw and cut off his entire hand at the wrist. Still trying to figure out how that was done. Fingers I see but a whole hand? Anyway his friends had enough sense to put the hand on ice, tourniquet his arm, and rush him to the hospital. The hand has been reattached but the doctor says he has months of rehabilitation ahead of him. -- |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
Young_carpenter wrote:
Anyway his friends had enough sense to put the hand on ice, tourniquet his arm, and rush him to the hospital. The hand has been reattached but the doctor says he has months of rehabilitation ahead of him. Rather than putting a severed part directly on ice, you'd do much better to stick it in a baggy and float it in a bucket of ice water. Ice can cause further tissue damage that ice water won't. In the best of all worlds, I'd pour some normal saline in the bag, but I don't keep any around the house. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN http://www.mortimerschnerd.com |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
Would that be significantly different from the saline solutions sold to
contact lens wearers? "Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in message om... Rather than putting a severed part directly on ice, you'd do much better to stick it in a baggy and float it in a bucket of ice water. Ice can cause further tissue damage that ice water won't. In the best of all worlds, I'd pour some normal saline in the bag, but I don't keep any around the house. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN http://www.mortimerschnerd.com |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
"Young_carpenter" wrote in message ... Luckily not me this time. Some local was using a Circular saw and cut off his entire hand at the wrist. Still trying to figure out how that was done. Fingers I see but a whole hand? Anyway his friends had enough sense to put the hand on ice, tourniquet his arm, and rush him to the hospital. The hand has been reattached but the doctor says he has months of rehabilitation ahead of him. If this was the incident that happend in Northern Michigan last week, I think he was using a compound miter saw to cut some trim and was reaching across the saw to hold the stock. It was his left hand that was severed. His wife was the one who brought the hand with them to the hospital. I agree that it seems like it would be hard to cut off your whole hand. The article said that he did not feel any pain after it was cut off! Reading about this sort of thing makes me VERY careful when working around blades. Btw, young carpenter, I live in T.C., where are you from? Jswee Curmudgeon in Training |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
And probably facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills
John On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:49:50 -0500, "Young_carpenter" wrote: Luckily not me this time. Some local was using a Circular saw and cut off his entire hand at the wrist. Still trying to figure out how that was done. Fingers I see but a whole hand? Anyway his friends had enough sense to put the hand on ice, tourniquet his arm, and rush him to the hospital. The hand has been reattached but the doctor says he has months of rehabilitation ahead of him. |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
John Crea notes:
And probably facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills Or his insurance company is. Think what that does to YOUR medical insurance premiums. Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:02:24 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
wrote: In the best of all worlds, I'd pour some normal saline in the bag, but I don't keep any around the house. Would the contents of a fresh, sealed eye wash bottle work? I have those, and if they would work, it would be nice to know. Just in case. Barry |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
George wrote:
Would that be significantly different from the saline solutions sold to contact lens wearers? I'm not sure what they sell for contact users. FWIW, normal saline is 0.9%. It's called "normal" because it's the same concentration of salt normally found in blood. -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN http://www.mortimerschnerd.com |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:
In the best of all worlds, I'd pour some normal saline in the bag, but I don't keep any around the house. Would the contents of a fresh, sealed eye wash bottle work? I have those, and if they would work, it would be nice to know. Just in case. Since my last comment, I did a google search on "saline for eye wash". I immediately got a hit that indicates it should work just fine. Apparently, eye wash IS 0.9% saline solution, ie, "normal" or "isotonic". Save up those fingers and toes! You're ready! -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN http://www.mortimerschnerd.com |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
George wrote:
Would that be significantly different from the saline solutions sold to contact lens wearers? No, but you'd need a lot of the little bottles. A couple of Tablespoons of table salt in a quart of water will give you a close enough mix. As I remember. it's been about 15 years. Does that sound about right Mortimer? Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
On 2004/2/15 5:16 PM, "Jswee" wrote:
If this was the incident that happend in Northern Michigan last week, I think he was using a compound miter saw to cut some trim and was reaching across the saw to hold the stock. It was his left hand that was severed. It takes only a brief moment of inattention (or stupidity) to cause an accident that changes lives. His wife was the one who brought the hand with them to the hospital. If so, his wife deserves a lot of credit. It is very difficult to think clearly at a time like that. The article said that he did not feel any pain after it was cut off! Quite believable. The pain may come later after the shock and disbelieve wear off. I lost the end of my index finger about three years ago. I closed a car door on it. The end of my finger was crushed and all the flesh pulled off. It did not hurt. In fact, I did not realize that I had seriously injured myself until I saw the bone sticking out. Btw, young carpenter, I live in T.C., where are you from? Where is that? I am a troll from the L.P. Myself. |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
Or if NOT insured, think what it is doing to the local taxes in the
county/city where it happened On 16 Feb 2004 00:22:10 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self) wrote: John Crea notes: And probably facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills Or his insurance company is. Think what that does to YOUR medical insurance premiums. Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
John Crea responds:
Or if NOT insured, think what it is doing to the local taxes in the county/city where it happened On 16 Feb 2004 00:22:10 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self) wrote: John Crea notes: And probably facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills Or his insurance company is. Think what that does to YOUR medical insurance premiums. Huh? How is tax money involved? Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
Bob Haar writes:
If this was the incident that happend in Northern Michigan last week, I think he was using a compound miter saw to cut some trim and was reaching across the saw to hold the stock. It was his left hand that was severed. It takes only a brief moment of inattention (or stupidity) to cause an accident that changes lives. I think this qualifies as more than a "brief moment" of stupidity or anything else. I mean, come on. The guy first crosses his arm under the blade and leaves it there as he lowers the blade. He then brings the blade down and through his wrist. Maybe 7-1/2" diameter wrist, with bones. That's a complete cut-out of the brain on at least a temporary basis, with or without pain. Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
7-1/2" diameter wrist? What is this guy, the Hulk in full green mode? My
wrist is less than 2.5" at it's widest. In any case, I agree that this was a little more than stupid. "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... Maybe 7-1/2" diameter wrist, with bones. |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
alexy responds:
(Charlie Self) wrote: wrist. Maybe 7-1/2" diameter wrist, with bones. Was this Andre the Giant? My wrist is probably only 7-1/2" in circumference! Sorry about that. Doesn't exactly alter the point, does it? Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
CW responds:
7-1/2" diameter wrist? What is this guy, the Hulk in full green mode? My wrist is less than 2.5" at it's widest. In any case, I agree that this was a little more than stupid. "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... Maybe 7-1/2" diameter wrist, with bones. I think I wrote that about 4 a.m., after being up a whole 10 minutes. Sorry. Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
Charlie Self wrote:
Huh? How is tax money involved? My place of employment is considered the "county" hospital. As such, we turn no one away, whether they have insurance or not. The county picks up the bills for those without insurance. Guess who picks up the county's bills? -- Mortimer Schnerd, RN http://www.mortimerschnerd.com |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote in
. com: My place of employment is considered the "county" hospital. As such, we turn no one away, whether they have insurance or not. The county picks up the bills for those without insurance. Guess who picks up the county's bills? Whether it is insurance or the county that pays the costs, "premiums" will need to go up to cover the costs. -- Best regards Han email address is invalid |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
"Mortimer Schnerd, RN" wrote:
Charlie Self wrote: Huh? How is tax money involved? My place of employment is considered the "county" hospital. As such, we turn no one away, whether they have insurance or not. The county picks up the bills for those without insurance. Guess who picks up the county's bills? We're a non-profit as well. Last time I checked we were giving away about $16mil a year. We all pay for it, and that's why nurses at Community and non-profits get paid less than at not-for or for-profit hospitals. Just an FYI. Dave in Fairfax -- reply-to doesn't work use: daveldr at att dot net American Association of Woodturners http://www.woodturner.org Capital Area Woodturners http://www.capwoodturners.org/ |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
OMG, my nightmare come true, only for someone else. I think I'll buy
some more clamps and hold downs for my miter saw. On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:49:50 -0500, "Young_carpenter" wrote: Luckily not me this time. Some local was using a Circular saw and cut off his entire hand at the wrist. Still trying to figure out how that was done. Fingers I see but a whole hand? Anyway his friends had enough sense to put the hand on ice, tourniquet his arm, and rush him to the hospital. The hand has been reattached but the doctor says he has months of rehabilitation ahead of him. |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
Young_carpenter wrote:
Luckily not me this time. Some local was using a Circular saw and cut off his entire hand at the wrist. Still trying to figure out how that was done. Fingers I see but a whole hand? A college roommate had a good start at doing that. He was a building contractor (before coming back to college to get an electrical engineering degree -- doesn't require strength in both arms...) and to "save time" he always worked with the circular saw guard pinned back. After several years of that nonsense statistics finally caught up with him and he had a bad kickback. The wide scar went from his wrist to almost the elbow. It was deep enough the bone was partially severed. The guard would in all probability kept him from anything more than scratches and bruises, he said. -- Mark |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
No problem Charlie. I should have included a couple of . It was
obvious you were not up to usual. "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... CW responds: 7-1/2" diameter wrist? What is this guy, the Hulk in full green mode? My wrist is less than 2.5" at it's widest. In any case, I agree that this was a little more than stupid. "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... Maybe 7-1/2" diameter wrist, with bones. I think I wrote that about 4 a.m., after being up a whole 10 minutes. Sorry. Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
"Jswee" wrote in message ...
"Young_carpenter" wrote in message ... ... Some local was using a Circular saw and cut off his entire hand at the wrist. Still trying to figure out how that was done. Fingers I see but a whole hand? ... If this was the incident that happend in Northern Michigan last week, I think he was using a compound miter saw to cut some trim and was reaching across the saw to hold the stock. It was his left hand that was severed. His wife was the one who brought the hand with them to the hospital. I agree that it seems like it would be hard to cut off your whole hand. ... When I was taught how to use a radial arm saw I was told the most common accident with it was amputation of the left thumb. The second most common was blunt trauma to the chest or shoulder, often with a dislocation, due to kickback (perhaps 'kickforward' since a RAS cuts with a climbing cut). This comes about from right-handed people using their right hand on the handle on the right side of the saw, and holding the stock with their left hand so that their body is in line with the blade and they reach accros their body to steady short pieces. To avoid injury, I was taught to use the tool left handed, that is with my left hand operating the saw and my right hand holding the stock. This puts the 'stock' hand really far from the blade and your body to the right of saw instead of in line with the blade. It sounds awkward, but if you do it that way you'll immediately see the advantage. I wish Nahrm would give it a try that way. A sliding CMS can be used the same way, although often the trigger switch is designed for right hand use. Also, a sliding CMS can be used by pulling it out past the stock, then plunging it down, and then pushing it back through the stock like a normal circular saw so as to not do a climbing cut. I'm interested in opinions on that. One problem I have had with a sliding CMS is misaligment of the fence extensions with the fence resulting in kickback upon completing the cut, regardless of which direction you cut. No, I didn't set that saw up, but now I always check to be sure the stock is flush with the factory fence on the saw befor cutting. The same thing can happen if the stock being cut is crooked, not properly jointed on the edge against the fence. -- FF |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
Fredfighter notes:
When I was taught how to use a radial arm saw I was told the most common accident with it was amputation of the left thumb. The second most common was blunt trauma to the chest or shoulder, often with a dislocation, due to kickback (perhaps 'kickforward' since a RAS cuts with a climbing cut). This comes about from right-handed people using their right hand on the handle on the right side of the saw, and holding the stock with their left hand so that their body is in line with the blade and they reach accros their body to steady short pieces. Lemmee tell ya about--do NOT use the RAS to cut OSB. I had a piece shatter when I was cutting it, and it was 10 minutes before I realized my right pinkie was pumping blood from a split to the bone. The other piece caught me in a very sensitive spot and I spent that 10 minutes bent over, whooping and whining before I noticed blood all over the damned place. I had hunched my way from the back porch (location of a saw that left my possession as quickly as I could clean the blood off) to the kitchen, which fortunately had glossy paint on the walls and linoleum on the floor (old farmhouse kitchen really had linoleum). I won't even set a piece of OSB down near an RAS now. Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
Btw, young carpenter, I live in T.C., where are you from?
Where is that? I am a troll from the L.P. Myself. young carpenter, is T.C. Traverse City? I'm in Waterford/ West Bloomfield area. Where are you, Bob? |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
I'd like to see the toxicology tests after that one. If this happened
in Florida, he'd be peeing in a cup for sure, but many states are behind in this area. When tested, 60% of lost-time injuries are found to be alcohol/drug related. Also, thanks Morty for explaining normal saline. I worked at a company for three years which sold this stuff, and had no idea what that meant. I always assumed it meant just salt and water with no additives. Cheers Joe That's a complete cut-out of the brain on at least a temporary basis, with or without pain. Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
John Crea writes:
Charlie Who do you think PAYS for the care of the uninsured when they run up bills in the hundreds of thousands of dollars?? Hospital bills are often written OFF as uncollectable, and in county/city hospitals they are subsidised/funded by your taxes I'd say the hospital gets a tax deduction for non-payment, in some cases, but I don't know how it works for non-profits. I know how it works for me. I don't get paid for an article, I can deduct my expenses. The rest, I get to eat. I'd guess in some cases, the hospital gets to eat part of the bill, in other cases we do. Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
Charlie Self wrote:
I'd guess in some cases, the hospital gets to eat part of the bill, in other cases we do. It may seem that way on the surface, but they would not exist doing charitable work all the time. We pay either in goverment subsidies or higher insurance premiums for the rest of us. There is no FREE healthcare. If too many people can't pay, the price of an aspirin will go from $4 to $6. -- Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
healthcare. If too many people can't pay, the price of an aspirin will go from $4 to $6. Hell's bells, it was already $40 the last time I was in a hospital. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
I believe this is regional and I am almost sure they said circular saw. I
live in C.N.Y/F.L.R -- "Jswee" wrote in message ... "Young_carpenter" wrote in message ... Luckily not me this time. Some local was using a Circular saw and cut off his entire hand at the wrist. Still trying to figure out how that was done. Fingers I see but a whole hand? Anyway his friends had enough sense to put the hand on ice, tourniquet his arm, and rush him to the hospital. The hand has been reattached but the doctor says he has months of rehabilitation ahead of him. If this was the incident that happend in Northern Michigan last week, I think he was using a compound miter saw to cut some trim and was reaching across the saw to hold the stock. It was his left hand that was severed. His wife was the one who brought the hand with them to the hospital. I agree that it seems like it would be hard to cut off your whole hand. The article said that he did not feel any pain after it was cut off! Reading about this sort of thing makes me VERY careful when working around blades. Btw, young carpenter, I live in T.C., where are you from? Jswee Curmudgeon in Training |
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Human Stupidity strikes again
Yikes,
Don't remind me. Area insurance is the highest in the state, (the county is the highest in the area) and the state has some of the highest in the country. -- "Charlie Self" wrote in message ... John Crea notes: And probably facing hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical bills Or his insurance company is. Think what that does to YOUR medical insurance premiums. Charlie Self "Health food makes me sick." Calvin Trillin http://hometown.aol.com/charliediy/m.../business.html |
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