On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 04:10:03 GMT, "CC"
wrote:


"Swingman" wrote in message
...
"DGDevin" wrote

That shows he left home early in case there was a traffic delay on
the way, it demonstrates a commitment to the job that is often
lacking in those who allow just barely enough time to get there a
minute before starting time. It ain't the single most important
quality in a worker, but things like that tend to be part of a
pattern.

Very will put!

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I've always showed up for work 20 minutes early, I started with the
Bell System
and was a union member from the first moment I was allowed to join
until I retired
32 years later, then went to work the next 5 years working in a shop
fabricating
laminate for custom closets, Still got to work 20 minutes early and
waited outside
the shop till they opened it. It just never felt right to me to be
showing up as they were
opening the doors. I get to the doctors office early too. I hate being
late, just ruins my day
I see the younger guys drive up and park just as they were opening the
doors to the shop
and wonder how they could live with that. Guess new values, or is it
lack of pride in self and
work ethics
CC
CC

....I had to learn that ethic. Never a problem once I got going...it
was just getting going. You get taught things only when you pay
attention...there were a couple of mentors along the way, and it was
*always* like this, that just flat made me look bad...quietly. Call
it what you want, pride or whatever, but one day I woke up and joined
'em. THAT was a cup of coffee I'll never forget. I teach high school
kids something far from the trades; competition marching and movement.
But know this...they get *that* lesson first and foremost...not as
calmly nor quietly...but they most certainly *get* it!

cg

On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:34:14 -0400, Tom Watson
wrote:

...(77)...It's the 1911 of jobsite saws.

Heh, heh.



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"-MIKE-" wrote in message
...
I've always showed up for work 20 minutes early, I started with the
Bell System and was a union member from the first moment I was
allowed to join until I retired 32 years later, then went to work
the
next 5 years working in a shop fabricating laminate for custom
closets, Still got to work 20 minutes early and waited outside the
shop till they opened it. It just never felt right to me to be
showing up as they were opening the doors. I get to the doctors
office early too. I hate being late, just ruins my day I see the
younger guys drive up and park just as they were opening the doors
to
the shop and wonder how they could live with that. Guess new
values,
or is it lack of pride in self and work ethics
CC
CC

Lord knows I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth or anything,
so help me understand this.
I get showing up early to do what you have to do in order to start
"working" at clock-in.

But these guys can't even get in the shop doors, right?
Are you saying they should show up and sit in the parking lot for 20
minutes?


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-MIKE-

No Mike, I'm not saying that, but, leaving home so that you arrive
at the work location so that you get there as they are opening the
doors
is cutting it too close for me, Too many times they have walked in
late because
of traffic, or what ever reason. When I was working, I liked to be
able to be able
to have time to collect my tools, get some coffee and have time to
drink it,
not have to drive like an idiot to make sure that I am not late, and
to be ready to
start my work day without all the stress of hoping the boss doesn't
catch me walking
in past start time, or anyone waiting on me because I was late.
CC

"-MIKE-" wrote in message
If R.W. were a bar, there would be a big section of guys kidding around
with each other, taking jesting jabs at one another, laughing it up, and

Or maybe, people are yanking your chain to see what kind of reaction they
can get out of you. Possibly, it's you that's taking things too seriously to
realize that people are having a laugh at your expense. Sounds pretty bar
like to me.

Unfortunately, in a place where text is the sole language of communication
along with the absence of inflections and body language to assist with that
yukking it atmosphere that you're apparently missing, the few emoticons
available (or lack there of) may be insufficient here for the bar scene that
you're seeking.

(I tried very hard to make that last paragraph one long sentence and still
make sense.)

Upscale wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message
If R.W. were a bar, there would be a big section of guys kidding around
with each other, taking jesting jabs at one another, laughing it up, and

Or maybe, people are yanking your chain to see what kind of reaction they
can get out of you. Possibly, it's you that's taking things too seriously to
realize that people are having a laugh at your expense. Sounds pretty bar
like to me.


Oh, *I'm* the one getting all upset. Ok.

I haven't heard the old "I'm rubber, you're glue" in quite a few years. :-)


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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Upscale wrote:

Unfortunately, in a place where text is the sole language of
communication along with the absence of inflections and body language
to assist with that yukking it atmosphere that you're apparently
missing, the few emoticons available (or lack there of) may be
insufficient here for the bar scene that you're seeking.

(I tried very hard to make that last paragraph one long sentence and
still make sense.)

But you risk arousing the spelling/grammar police, and there's always a few
of them around. ;~)

Tom Watson wrote:

Still keep my 77 greased and ready to kick ass. It's the 1911 of
jobsite saws.

Heh, well put.

The 77 is heavy but, if you use it right, it and gravity are your
friends.

I noticed yesterday in a big-box store that their 77s were made in China. I
wonder if some are still U.S.-made, or have they moved all their production
overseas? I see quite a few on Craig's List for $80-90, some as low as $50.
A 77 is on the list, I just want to find a nice clean one at the right
price.

CC wrote:

I've always showed up for work 20 minutes early, I started with the
Bell System and was a union member from the first moment I was
allowed to join until I retired 32 years later, then went to work the
next 5 years working in a shop fabricating laminate for custom
closets, Still got to work 20 minutes early and waited outside the
shop till they opened it. It just never felt right to me to be
showing up as they were opening the doors. I get to the doctors
office early too. I hate being late, just ruins my day I see the
younger guys drive up and park just as they were opening the doors to
the shop and wonder how they could live with that. Guess new values,
or is it lack of pride in self and work ethics
CC
CC

Lord knows I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth or anything, so
help me understand this.
I get showing up early to do what you have to do in order to start
"working" at clock-in.

But these guys can't even get in the shop doors, right?
Are you saying they should show up and sit in the parking lot for 20
minutes?


-MIKE-

No Mike, I'm not saying that, but, leaving home so that you arrive at
the work location so that you get there as they are opening the doors
is cutting it too close for me, Too many times they have walked in
late because of traffic, or what ever reason. When I was working, I
liked to be able to be able to have time to collect my tools, get
some coffee and have time to drink it, not have to drive like an
idiot to make sure that I am not late, and to be ready to start my
work day without all the stress of hoping the boss doesn't catch me
walking in past start time, or anyone waiting on me because I was
late.
CC

For the sake of discussion, I don't think work ethic has anything to do
with age. I've supervised 20 year olds with strong work ethics and the
utmost responsibility. When given the opportunity to meet their parents,
I would find out why. That's something that is most often taught and led
by a parent or role model.

I think age can hone one's work ethic and experience (school of hard
knocks) makes or breaks it in many people, but every generation has its
slackers and its conscientious, responsible workers.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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http://mikedrums.com

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DGDevin wrote:
Tom Watson wrote:

Still keep my 77 greased and ready to kick ass. It's the 1911 of
jobsite saws.

Heh, well put.

The 77 is heavy but, if you use it right, it and gravity are your
friends.


I've gone all this time without ever using a worm-gear saw.
What are the advantages? Torque?


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-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com

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DGDevin wrote:
Tom Watson wrote:

Still keep my 77 greased and ready to kick ass. It's the 1911 of
jobsite saws.

Heh, well put.

The 77 is heavy but, if you use it right, it and gravity are your
friends.

I noticed yesterday in a big-box store that their 77s were made in China. I
wonder if some are still U.S.-made, or have they moved all their production
overseas? I see quite a few on Craig's List for $80-90, some as low as $50.
A 77 is on the list, I just want to find a nice clean one at the right
price.

I have a good ol' USA-made 77 in cherry shape that I could sell you at
the right price, 'cept it ain't for sale. :-)

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(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
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Upscale wrote:
"-MIKE-" wrote in message
Oh, *I'm* the one getting all upset. Ok.
I haven't heard the old "I'm rubber, you're glue" in quite a few years.
:-)

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)

In that case, I'd suggest quite strongly that your tagline is exceptionally
inappropriate where you're concerned.



Neener, neener.


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-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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http://mikedrums.com

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"-MIKE-" wrote in message
Oh, *I'm* the one getting all upset. Ok.
I haven't heard the old "I'm rubber, you're glue" in quite a few years.
:-)

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)

In that case, I'd suggest quite strongly that your tagline is exceptionally
inappropriate where you're concerned.

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:48:36 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

For the sake of discussion, I don't think work ethic has anything to do
with age. I've supervised 20 year olds with strong work ethics and the
utmost responsibility. When given the opportunity to meet their parents,
I would find out why. That's something that is most often taught and led
by a parent or role model.

I think age can hone one's work ethic and experience (school of hard
knocks) makes or breaks it in many people, but every generation has its
slackers and its conscientious, responsible workers.

I certainly agree that there are people of all ages with a strong work
ethic and the same for slackers. However, I think you find that those
who started their work life at a time when you could and did actually
get fired if you did not do good work and you competed to get and keep
a job to feed your family learned a better work ethic. Those who have
worked in an environment where you cannot get fired and nobody forces
high quality work for fear of a lawsuit or at least paying high
unemplyment rates have not felt the need to learn the ethic.

dhall987 wrote:
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 11:48:36 -0500, -MIKE-
wrote:

For the sake of discussion, I don't think work ethic has anything to do
with age. I've supervised 20 year olds with strong work ethics and the
utmost responsibility. When given the opportunity to meet their parents,
I would find out why. That's something that is most often taught and led
by a parent or role model.

I think age can hone one's work ethic and experience (school of hard
knocks) makes or breaks it in many people, but every generation has its
slackers and its conscientious, responsible workers.

I certainly agree that there are people of all ages with a strong work
ethic and the same for slackers. However, I think you find that those
who started their work life at a time when you could and did actually
get fired if you did not do good work and you competed to get and keep
a job to feed your family learned a better work ethic. Those who have
worked in an environment where you cannot get fired and nobody forces
high quality work for fear of a lawsuit or at least paying high
unemplyment rates have not felt the need to learn the ethic.

Like it or not, that is one of the benefits of a slump in the economy
and/or higher unemployment rates.
If you're a slacker, why would you worry about getting fired, when you
can just walk across the street and get a job.

When jobs are scarce, the slackers get fired... or butch up and start
pulling their weight.


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-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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I've gone all this time without ever using a worm-gear saw.
What are the advantages? *Torque?

--

* -MIKE-

* "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
* * *--Elvin Jones *(1927-2004)

Ah, let me count the ways...
1. It's HEAVY. When making a cut, inertia is your friend.
2. The blade spins slower (4400 RPM vs 5500 RPM, I think) so you get
more torque out of the saw. When cutting wet wood that tries its best
to bind the blade, this comes in handy.
3. The saw is looooong. When making a rip cut, a side-to-side
movement of your hand to get off your chalkline is consequently larger
than with a universal gear (is that what they're called?) saw.
4. Like Tom said, when resting a joist on your foot, you don't have
to bend over so far.
5. You get to tell your friends, "Yeah, I had to change the oil...in
my Skil saw."

I was shown the glory that is the worm-gear about 3 years ago, and
I'll never have another saw. Currently, I own a Ridgid and a Skil.
The Skil is considerably heavier, and I like it considerably better.

Back on-topic, I'm a (relatively) young man, and I hold the values in
this thread to be of the highest, um, value. A mentor of mine had a
theory--without getting too long-winded, there are 4 types of
employees, all having 2 traits. High and low knowledge, and high and
low motivation. Obviously, the high-skill, high-motivation employee
is the most desirable, but Mr. Leavoy swore up and down all week long
that he'd rather have high-motivation, low-skill employees than the
other way around. In my own life, I've found that you can teach
anyone to do anything, but you can't teach the "want." The person
either wants to learn (or improve), or he doesn't.

BTW, it's been a long time, gentlemen. I'm glad to welcome you all
back onto my computer screen. It's good to be back on the wRECk.

Phil
-It's easier to believe than to decide.