I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy, the
pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody gets to
practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody survived!
That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a long time. Way
to go Sully!

Lee Michaels wrote:
I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy,
the pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody
gets to practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived! That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a
long time. Way to go Sully!

Not just "everybody survived" but so far it looks like only one
seriously injured.

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J. Clarke wrote:
Lee Michaels wrote:
I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy,
the pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody
gets to practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived! That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a
long time. Way to go Sully!

Not just "everybody survived" but so far it looks like only one
seriously injured.

No matter what that pilot gets paid, he deserves a raise.

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:41:24 -0500, J. Clarke cast forth these pearls of
wisdom...:

Lee Michaels wrote:
I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy,
the pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody
gets to practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived! That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a
long time. Way to go Sully!

Not just "everybody survived" but so far it looks like only one
seriously injured.

--

And even at that - it depends on how you define "seriously". It would be
easy to consider a broken bone to be less than serious - especially under
the circumstances.

--

-Mike-

I saw it - I saw the ferry there but where was homeland defense ???

Zodiac boats ?? Machine guns ?? was this a threat or was it revenge ?

Where was the 'home guard' ? I see the latest - post rescue some showed
up - but really.....

Martin

Lee Michaels wrote:
I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy, the
pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody gets to
practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody survived!
That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a long time. Way
to go Sully!

Lee Michaels wrote:

I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy, the
pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody gets to
practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived!
That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a long time. Way
to go Sully!

Equally impressive was the instant response of boats on the water to get
to the plane to rescue the passengers.

--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

"Mark & Juanita" wrote

Lee Michaels wrote:

I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy, the
pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody gets to
practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived!
That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a long time.
Way
to go Sully!

Equally impressive was the instant response of boats on the water to get
to the plane to rescue the passengers.

I liked that. First all the commercial craft shows up. Then the gubmint
boats show up later. Just goes to show that in an emergency, whoever is
closest is the first responder. And can perform valuable services to the
victims.

You have to admit, in case of a water landing, you couldn't get much better
emergency services than on the Hudson river. It is well serviced by
numerous agencies with impressive training, watercraft, helicopters, etc.

I get a kick out of those pictures of the people standing on the wing. They
look like they are standing on the water. A little bit of walk on water
magic there.

But it looked awfully cold out there. I wouldn't want to be standing around
in that water, in that weather, for very long.

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
I get a kick out of those pictures of the people standing on the wing.
They look like they are standing on the water. A little bit of walk on
water magic there.

But it looked awfully cold out there. I wouldn't want to be standing
around in that water, in that weather, for very long.

The reason they had to wait is they did not have the exact change to get on
to the rescue ferry.

I did hear on the news that the ferry crews train for water rescue. It was
a good idea.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in
:


"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
I get a kick out of those pictures of the people standing on the
wing. They look like they are standing on the water. A little bit of
walk on water magic there.

But it looked awfully cold out there. I wouldn't want to be standing
around in that water, in that weather, for very long.

The reason they had to wait is they did not have the exact change to
get on to the rescue ferry.

I did hear on the news that the ferry crews train for water rescue.
It was a good idea.

The plane landed fairly close to the ferry terminals on either side of
the Hudson, and I heard the chief of the NY Waterways company (private
entity) explain how much they train for emergency work. My hat off and a
salute to those guys!

The air was 30F or less, the water 41F. There was not too much of a
breeze yesterday. All in all the conditions could very easily have been
much worse. However, Captain Sully did an absolutely marvelous job
putting the plane there so gently. Next time I fly, I hope he, or
someone equally capable is at the controls.

--
Best regards
Han
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On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:47:11 GMT, Han wrote:

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in
:


"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
I get a kick out of those pictures of the people standing on the
wing. They look like they are standing on the water. A little bit of
walk on water magic there.

But it looked awfully cold out there. I wouldn't want to be standing
around in that water, in that weather, for very long.

The reason they had to wait is they did not have the exact change to
get on to the rescue ferry.

I did hear on the news that the ferry crews train for water rescue.
It was a good idea.

The plane landed fairly close to the ferry terminals on either side of
the Hudson, and I heard the chief of the NY Waterways company (private
entity) explain how much they train for emergency work. My hat off and a
salute to those guys!

The air was 30F or less, the water 41F. There was not too much of a
breeze yesterday. All in all the conditions could very easily have been
much worse. However, Captain Sully did an absolutely marvelous job
putting the plane there so gently. Next time I fly, I hope he, or
someone equally capable is at the controls.

He's 57 years old. In three years, due to FAA ruling, he'll be
retired. What a shame, all that valuable experience offline because
he's 60. My dad was a commercial pilot and started in the biz before
the FAA came into being...he had a lot of gripes about the agency, but
the biggest was the mandatory retirement age. And that was 40-odd
years ago. Put yourself in the cabin and answer this: Who do I want
flying me around in this death-trap?

Great job by all concerned!

cg

Lee Michaels wrote:
I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy, the
pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody gets to
practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody survived!
That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a long time. Way
to go Sully!

I'm impressed! It was an amazing demonstration of of piloting skill,
experience, and judgment all coming together to produce the best of
outcomes from a very difficult situation.

Cudos to the entire flight crew - they exercised courage and kept their
cool when that was of paramount importance, and (it would appear) did a
magnificent job of helping the passengers keep theirs.

Cudos, also, to the ferry captains (and their crews!) for their quick
response - and to the ferry management that made the decision to have
their crews train for this eventuality.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

Morris Dovey wrote:
Lee Michaels wrote:
I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy,
the pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody gets
to practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived! That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a
long time. Way to go Sully!

I'm impressed! It was an amazing demonstration of of piloting skill,
experience, and judgment all coming together to produce the best of
outcomes from a very difficult situation.

Cudos to the entire flight crew - they exercised courage and kept their
cool when that was of paramount importance, and (it would appear) did a
magnificent job of helping the passengers keep theirs.

Cudos, also, to the ferry captains (and their crews!) for their quick
response - and to the ferry management that made the decision to have
their crews train for this eventuality.

Hmm - not only did I manage to mis-spell "Kudos" twice, I took for
granted the folks who designed and built the Airbus that didn't lose its
structural integrity in the water landing. Methinks they deserve praise,
as well.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/

"Morris Dovey" wrote

Hmm - not only did I manage to mis-spell "Kudos" twice, I took for granted
the folks who designed and built the Airbus that didn't lose its
structural integrity in the water landing. Methinks they deserve praise,
as well.

They have a "ditch switch" that seals all openings on the belly of the
aircraft. This allows them to stay afloat longer in case of a "water
landing". That is some good thinking/engineering.

And the Airbus folks were very impressed with the landing as well. They had
good things to say about the pilot.

Morris Dovey wrote:
Morris Dovey wrote:
Lee Michaels wrote:
I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy,
the pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody
gets to practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived! That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a
long time. Way to go Sully!

I'm impressed! It was an amazing demonstration of of piloting skill,
experience, and judgment all coming together to produce the best of
outcomes from a very difficult situation.

Cudos to the entire flight crew - they exercised courage and kept
their cool when that was of paramount importance, and (it would
appear) did a magnificent job of helping the passengers keep theirs.

Cudos, also, to the ferry captains (and their crews!) for their quick
response - and to the ferry management that made the decision to have
their crews train for this eventuality.

Hmm - not only did I manage to mis-spell "Kudos" twice, I took for
granted the folks who designed and built the Airbus that didn't lose its
structural integrity in the water landing. Methinks they deserve praise,
as well.

I thought Airbus jet planes were "fly-by-wire", and since both main
engines were out there must have been power from batteries or an APU to
operate the control surfaces?

Doug Winterburn wrote:

I thought Airbus jet planes were "fly-by-wire", and since both main
engines were out there must have been power from batteries or an APU to
operate the control surfaces?

I always thought passenger jets could glide w/o engines like a rock?

--
Jack
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On Jan 16, 4:59*pm, Jack Stein wrote:
Doug Winterburn wrote:
I thought Airbus jet planes were "fly-by-wire", and since both main
engines were out there must have been power from batteries or an APU to
operate the control surfaces?

I always thought passenger jets could glide w/o engines like a rock?

--
Jack
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Well, you're not going to catch turbulance and stay up for 3-4 hours...

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:59:32 -0500, Jack Stein wrote:

Doug Winterburn wrote:

I thought Airbus jet planes were "fly-by-wire", and since both main
engines were out there must have been power from batteries or an APU to
operate the control surfaces?

I always thought passenger jets could glide w/o engines like a rock?

They're not good. Luckily the pilot took his work home with him and flew
gliders as well... if anybody could stretch a poor glide into a safe
landing, that's who you'd want.

What about the passenger who had to be dragged out as they wouldn't go
without their luggage, though?

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:59:32 -0500, Jack Stein
wrote:

Doug Winterburn wrote:

I thought Airbus jet planes were "fly-by-wire", and since both main
engines were out there must have been power from batteries or an APU to
operate the control surfaces?

I always thought passenger jets could glide w/o engines like a rock?

....I saw a report by an "expert" last nite; he stated that that
particular aircraft had a "one to twenty" glide ratio...that's for
every thousand feet of altitude lost, you gain 20,000 (4 miles) on the
ground. The caveat unsaid is "...if you have airspeed."

But, still, that's pretty dang good.

cg

"Jack Stein" wrote in message
...
Doug Winterburn wrote:

I thought Airbus jet planes were "fly-by-wire", and since both main
engines were out there must have been power from batteries or an APU to
operate the control surfaces?

I always thought passenger jets could glide w/o engines like a rock?


The 747 has a glide ratio of about 17:1. That compares well with gliders
that can be 60:1 or the space shuttle on approach that is 4.5:1. The
shuttle is the worlds biggest and heaviest glider.

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy, the
pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody gets to
practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived! That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a long
time. Way to go Sully!


Every time I hear the safety speech about "in the event of a water
landing... blah blah blah" I think to my self, "yeah, 'in the event', kiss
your butt goodbye". I guess I was selling the professionals short. Never
again.

jc

On Jan 16, 9:29*am, "Joe" wrote:
"Lee Michaels" wrote in message

... I know that everyone is using the word miracle. *But this Sully guy, the
pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody gets to
practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived! That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a long
time. *Way to go Sully!

Every time I hear the safety speech about "in the event of a water
landing... blah blah blah" I think to my self, "yeah, 'in the event', kiss
your butt goodbye". *I guess I was selling the professionals short. *Never
again.

jc

Next time the flight attendant does her demo, I promise I will listen
to her and pay attention...instead of looking at her tits.

Robatoy wrote:
Next time the flight attendant does her demo, I promise I will listen
to her and pay attention...instead of looking at her tits.

Even if she's a Swedish blond?

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Steve Turner writes:
Robatoy wrote:
Next time the flight attendant does her demo, I promise I will listen
to her and pay attention...instead of looking at her tits.

Even if she's a Swedish blond?


You've never flown US Airways, have you? They're all in their 50's,
you'd be looking at their knees...

scott

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...
On Jan 16, 9:29 am, "Joe" wrote:


Next time the flight attendant does her demo, I promise I will listen
to her and pay attention...instead of looking at her tits.


You could do both. ;~)

"Leon" wrote in message
Next time the flight attendant does her demo, I promise I will listen
to her and pay attention...instead of looking at her tits.

You could do both. ;~)

Says Leon wondering if they float.

Robatoy wrote:

Next time the flight attendant does her demo, I promise I will listen
to her and pay attention...instead of looking at her tits.

Do both! G

"B A R R Y" wrote in message
Robatoy wrote:
Next time the flight attendant does her demo, I promise I will listen
to her and pay attention...instead of looking at her tits.

Do both! G

I'm reasonably sure that Robatoy's ears shut down when he focuses on tits.
After all, there's only so much attention ability to go around.

"Joe" wrote in message
.. .

"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
...
I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy, the
pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody gets to
practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived! That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a long
time. Way to go Sully!


Every time I hear the safety speech about "in the event of a water
landing... blah blah blah" I think to my self, "yeah, 'in the event', kiss
your butt goodbye". I guess I was selling the professionals short. Never
again.

Apparently a lot of pilots felt the same way. This incident has changed
some minds. They now know it is possible.

Still, a lot of luck played into this. The location, time of day, etc But
that does not in any way discount what a tremendous job was done by the
pilot.

On Jan 16, 9:45*am, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message

.. .



"Lee Michaels" wrote in message
.. .
I know that everyone is using the word miracle. *But this Sully guy, the
pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody gets to
practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived! That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a long
time. *Way to go Sully!

Every time I hear the safety speech about "in the event of a water
landing... blah blah blah" I think to my self, "yeah, 'in the event', kiss
your butt goodbye". *I guess I was selling the professionals short. *Never
again.

Apparently a lot of pilots felt the same way. *This incident has changed
some minds. *They now know it is possible.

Still, a lot of luck played into this. *The location, time of day, etc *But
that does not in any way discount what a tremendous job was done by the
pilot.

Exactly. He had a limited offering of options, and chose the one that
worked.
Kept his cool under pressure.

A wheelbarrow for his brass balls.

"Robatoy" wrote in message
...

Exactly. He had a limited offering of options, and chose the one that
worked.
Kept his cool under pressure.

A wheelbarrow for his brass balls.



Typical Texas boy. :~)

On Jan 16, 9:29 am, "Joe" wrote:
"Lee Michaels" wrote in message

... I know that everyone is using the word miracle. But this Sully guy, the
pilot, pulled off a textbook landing of something that nobody gets to
practice.

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody
survived! That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a long
time. Way to go Sully!

Every time I hear the safety speech about "in the event of a water
landing... blah blah blah" I think to my self, "yeah, 'in the event', kiss
your butt goodbye". I guess I was selling the professionals short. Never
again.

jc

My friend, as a pilot, I can tell you that "water landing" is just a
euphemism for "crash".

Hitting the water at airline speeds is like hitting reinforced
concrete.

Yes, the pilot did a great job.

He followed his training.

That, coupled with his considerable experience, saved lives.

The water temp alone was more than enough to kill everyone aboard.

Lee Michaels wrote:

He landed a commercial passenger jet on a busy river and everybody survived!
That is remarkable feat and the best news I have read in a long time. Way
to go Sully!

It sounded as if they were originally going to go for Teterboro, which
literally has 50 feet of grass at the end of each runway before the
heavy population starts. Coming up short would have guaranteed many,
many dead. Coming up short at LGA meant the river. What a landing!

I'll echo... Way to go, Sully!

On another note... This was a typical NYC disaster response! Within
minutes, every ferry boat, water taxi, etc... in the area was on the
scene. The northeastern version of "bubba in a bass boat."