Has anyone else noticed that Norm's safety glasses lack side shields? They
don't do much good without them.

Walt

"walt" wrote in
:

Has anyone else noticed that Norm's safety glasses lack side shields?
They don't do much good without them.

He had side shields originally, but they were just glued on without any
brads to hold them, and, well... you can see the result.

In article ,
rested says...
"walt" wrote in
:

Has anyone else noticed that Norm's safety glasses lack side shields?
They don't do much good without them.

He had side shields originally, but they were just glued on without any
brads to hold them, and, well... you can see the result.


Too funny.

Elrond Hubbard wrote:
"walt" wrote in
:

Has anyone else noticed that Norm's safety glasses lack side shields?
They don't do much good without them.

He had side shields originally, but they were just glued on without any
brads to hold them, and, well... you can see the result.

No biscuits either....

walt wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that Norm's safety glasses lack side shields? They
don't do much good without them.

Many safety glasses lack explicit side shields, but are a more stylish
"wraparound" type with curved lenses that give similar protection.

Anything with a current CSA approval must provide side impact protection.

Chris

"walt" wrote in message
...
Has anyone else noticed that Norm's safety glasses lack side shields?
They don't do much good without them.

Walt


They seem to be working though.

"walt" wrote in message
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Has anyone else noticed that Norm's safety glasses lack side shields?
They don't do much good without them.

It is an oxymoron to have Norm and safety in the same sentence.

Norm's safety lapses are legendary. I sometimes just cringe when I see him
do certain things. Other times I just cover my eyes. My wife finds these
thing to be very amusing and always asks me to explain what he is doing
wrong.

I am certain that many of these things are done for the camera. But I tend
to think that anybody who flat out ignores this many safety practices is
just old school and really doesn't know about them.

We all know some old fart who does everything wrong, doesn't eat right,
drinks too much, etc, etc. And they outlive all of us and have a good life.
I think that Norm fits into that catagory.

Norm's not bad at all compared to the guys at woodworkingonline.com.
I think they make great videos but I've literally cringed during a few
of their demonstrations. Most of it from people running their hands
too close to the blade. I suppose it could look safer in real life
than on camera though.

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:19:09 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
wrote:

I am certain that many of these things are done for the camera. But I tend
to think that anybody who flat out ignores this many safety practices is
just old school and really doesn't know about them.

He always has that disclaimer that the guard has been removed for TV.
My guess he hasn't seen that guard since he set up his saw.

Mike O.

" He always has that disclaimer that the guard has been removed for TV.
My guess he hasn't seen that guard since he set up his saw.

Mike O.

How many of us do know where the guard for the TS is? I know right where
mine is, under the workbench where it is nice and safe. Other tools all
have the guards in place and working, but the TS had it' removed the first
day.

Same with mine. I work safer without the guard on my table saw.

sweet sawdust wrote:
" He always has that disclaimer that the guard has been removed for TV.
My guess he hasn't seen that guard since he set up his saw.

Mike O.

How many of us do know where the guard for the TS is? I know right where
mine is, under the workbench where it is nice and safe. Other tools all
have the guards in place and working, but the TS had it' removed the first
day.

mapdude wrote in
:

Same with mine. I work safer without the guard on my table saw.


My old Craftsman saw was actually safer without the guard. The
splitter/guard support was bent the wrong way, so when you tried to push a
piece of wood through the saw it'd cut and then hang up on the guard
support, but only enough to put pressure against the piece. We all know
what pressure against the piece and thus the blade can lead to...

My new saw actually supports adjusting where the splitter/guard support is
in relation to the blade. If it's out 1/64", a little adjustment here and
there puts it where it should be.

Puckdropper
--
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To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

sweet sawdust wrote:
" He always has that disclaimer that the guard has been removed for TV.
My guess he hasn't seen that guard since he set up his saw.

Mike O.

How many of us do know where the guard for the TS is? I know right where
mine is, under the workbench where it is nice and safe. Other tools all
have the guards in place and working, but the TS had it' removed the first
day.


Mine is safely mounted on the overhead arm with the dust collection
hose. I use it almost without exception just for that little edge it
gives me.
chicken****,
jo4hn

"jo4hn" wrote in message
m...
sweet sawdust wrote:
" He always has that disclaimer that the guard has been removed for TV.
My guess he hasn't seen that guard since he set up his saw.

Mike O.

How many of us do know where the guard for the TS is? I know right where
mine is, under the workbench where it is nice and safe. Other tools all
have the guards in place and working, but the TS had it' removed the
first day.
Mine is safely mounted on the overhead arm with the dust collection hose.
I use it almost without exception just for that little edge it gives me.
chicken****,
jo4hn

I use mine when I'm doing an operation that it doesn't interfere with. I can
use all the help I can get. I watched a guy ripping plywood one time stumble
and lay his thumb on the blade when he tried to catch himself. Wouldn't have
lost the thumb if the guard was in place.

On Aug 11, 10:08 pm, jo4hn wrote:

Mine is safely mounted on the overhead arm with the dust collection
hose. I use it almost without exception just for that little edge it
gives me.
chicken****,
jo4hn

Sorry John, I don't see the chicken****. After all my years in the
trades, I still have all my original equipment, less a little gray
matter.

I think it is perfectly fine for the Saturday afternoon guy to take
the guards off all his tools. The more fingers that are lopped off,
hands that are damaged, legs that are hacked open simply translates
into more work for someone like me.

I love to read about that wild man, that guy that is striking a blow
for personal independence, that maverick that disables or takes off
any safety feature on tool. I will stand next to him and wave my fist
in the air "givin' to the the sombitch that tries to tell me what to
do" with great gusto, knowing, sooner or later the odds are on my
side.

A lapse of judgment, a moment of inattention, a miscalculation, a
slip, working a when a little too tired, not understanding the tool's
limitations (or theirs), too much in a hurry, overconfidence with the
tools, mechanical failure (blade throws a tooth, router bit breaks, a
belt breaks), an unexpected surprise (a knot shooting out of a piece
of wood) and on and on with all the other things that go on when using
a tool are the things I wait for. They bring me business.

Sadly, most home shop guys don't actually use their tools enough for
the icy hand of the odds to finally be resting on their shoulder. An
occasional bookcase or glider isn't usually going to cut it.

But on the other hand, if all the guards are taken off tools and
there is no significant eye and dust protection, I figure my odds go
way up for getting new business.

Sadly, I know I may have lost a customer for my woodworking skills
when I go to their house for an estimate only to see most guards and
guides for the tools in use as well as dust masks, and good lighting.

They admit that usually this is due to a self inflicted injury and
they don't want to "take a chance on an accident anymore".

Weenies.

Robert

That's where mine is also.

When I went to the 12/14" saw, the overhead guard was the next purchase.

The splitter is another pain in the ass, but I use that also.


jo4hn wrote:

Mine is safely mounted on the overhead arm with the dust collection
hose. I use it almost without exception just for that little edge it
gives me.
chicken****,
jo4hn

"sweet sawdust" wrote in message
...
How many of us do know where the guard for the TS is? I know right where
mine is, under the workbench where it is nice and safe. Other tools all
have the guards in place and working, but the TS had it' removed the first
day.


I do. It's on my saw and is always there except when I can't use it (ie.
non through cuts). Sure it's a bit inconvenient at times but I got past
that.
Cheers,
cc

Lee Michaels wrote:


"walt" wrote in message
...
Has anyone else noticed that Norm's safety glasses lack side shields?
They don't do much good without them.

It is an oxymoron to have Norm and safety in the same sentence.

Norm's safety lapses are legendary. I sometimes just cringe when I see
him do certain things. Other times I just cover my eyes. My wife finds
these thing to be very amusing and always asks me to explain what he is
doing wrong.

.... snip

These threads are always amusing, ranging from expressions of extreme fear
of the smallest detail forgotten to seeing little wrong with what is being
done or "that's the way I do it".

Ran across this bookmark at work today, it has a number of interesting
items that, IMO, fall into both categories and between. Some of the
pictures are just flat out so outrageous you wonder how anyone could come
up with the idea to even attempt such a stunt and there are others that one
looks at and thinks that it probably looks worse than it really is,
particularly to the persons performing the work. I find some of the
comments to be somewhat condescending and more or less paternalistic, while
others are pointing out some obvious issues:
http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/photo/index.asp

--
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough

"Lee Michaels" wrote

Norm's safety lapses are legendary. I sometimes just cringe when I see
him
do certain things. Other times I just cover my eyes. My wife finds these
thing to be very amusing and always asks me to explain what he is doing
wrong.

About the only move that makes me involuntarily turn my head is when Norm
runs 1 1/2" x 3/4" stock over a dado stack, with one hand, or both, pushing
down over the blade.

I guess I'm just a sissy ...

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Last update: 5/14/08
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"Swingman" wrote in message
...

"Lee Michaels" wrote

Norm's safety lapses are legendary. I sometimes just cringe when I see
him
do certain things. Other times I just cover my eyes. My wife finds these
thing to be very amusing and always asks me to explain what he is doing
wrong.

About the only move that makes me involuntarily turn my head is when Norm
runs 1 1/2" x 3/4" stock over a dado stack, with one hand, or both,
pushing
down over the blade.

I guess I'm just a sissy ...

--
You ain't a sissy, my hand doesn't get anywhere NEAR the blade. I'd prefer
to keep all my fingers intact - you know how hard it is to win a highpower
match missing digits?

In article , "Swingman" wrote:

About the only move that makes me involuntarily turn my head is when Norm
runs 1 1/2" x 3/4" stock over a dado stack, with one hand, or both, pushing
down over the blade.

A useful criterion for determining the degree of safety of anything you're
about to do in the shop is to ask yourself "If the wood suddenly disappeared,
where would my fingers go?"

I think Norm doesn't ask himself that question very often.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
...
In article , "Swingman"
wrote:

About the only move that makes me involuntarily turn my head is when Norm
runs 1 1/2" x 3/4" stock over a dado stack, with one hand, or both,
pushing
down over the blade.

A useful criterion for determining the degree of safety of anything you're
about to do in the shop is to ask yourself "If the wood suddenly
disappeared,
where would my fingers go?"


Or as my old woodshop teacher taught us, "What would happen if you slipped
or suddenly collapsed"? Then position yourself accordingly.

He would walk up behind people who were about to use a machine and just
hudge them a little (not dangerously) to make the point. If you started to
panic, you were not positioned properly.

The ideal was, if you suddenly died of a heart attack, there would be no
injury to the body.

Wasn't it the Hell's Angels who had the motto, Live fast, Die young, Leave a
goodlooking corpse?

On Aug 12, 2:54*pm, "Lee Michaels" wrote:
"Doug Miller" wrote in message

...

In article , "Swingman"
wrote:

About the only move that makes me involuntarily turn my head is when Norm
runs 1 1/2" x 3/4" stock over a dado stack, with one hand, or both,
pushing
down over the blade.

A useful criterion for determining the degree of safety of anything you're
about to do in the shop is to ask yourself "If the wood suddenly
disappeared,
where would my fingers go?"

Or as my old woodshop teacher taught us, "What would happen if you slipped
or suddenly collapsed"? *Then position yourself accordingly.


Never sit down at a bar on a stool that doesn't have a back and
armrests.

Wasn't it the Hell's Angels who had the motto, Live fast, Die young, Leave a
goodlooking corpse?



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041555/quotes

Nick Romano in "Knock on any Door"
Novel by Willard Motley
Movie (1949) starred Humphrey Bogart, John Derek, George Mcready

Just happened to know that one...

Harvey

On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:18:28 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:


"Lee Michaels" wrote

Norm's safety lapses are legendary. I sometimes just cringe when I see
him
do certain things. Other times I just cover my eyes. My wife finds these
thing to be very amusing and always asks me to explain what he is doing
wrong.

About the only move that makes me involuntarily turn my head is when Norm
runs 1 1/2" x 3/4" stock over a dado stack, with one hand, or both, pushing
down over the blade.

I would be very impressed if you could cite a single instance where he
has done that. Episode is all I need. If he's done it, I'll find it,
come back and tell you, and give you three days to draw a crowd.

I've seen him run lots of stock on lots of machines, but any time he
has to venture near the blade/bit, he has a pushstick or jig. Always.

Too many people claim they've seen his hands near the blade and
whenever I go look at the episode what I see is a long shot with
telephoto from down low behind the blade. If you know anything about
photography at all you would know that his hands could be six feet
away from the blade but with the telephoto and low angle, they would
look like they were within inches of it.



--
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Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net
http://www.normstools.com

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
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LRod wrote:
....
I've seen him run lots of stock on lots of machines, but any time he
has to venture near the blade/bit, he has a pushstick or jig. Always.

Too many people claim they've seen his hands near the blade and
whenever I go look at the episode what I see is a long shot with
telephoto from down low behind the blade. ...

I've not watched a lot of Norm (wrong time o' day/day o' week and I'm
not into taping, etc.) but I don't recall thinking he was doing anything
I'd be uncomfortable with in any episodes I have seen...the one that was
kinda' scary (and had the bandages to prove it) was Tom Silva on TOH but
he was my "favoritest" of all to watch for all that for his common sense
and skill set...I just don't follow his work habits all the time...

--

dpb wrote in :


I've not watched a lot of Norm (wrong time o' day/day o' week and I'm
not into taping, etc.) but I don't recall thinking he was doing anything
I'd be uncomfortable with in any episodes I have seen...the one that was
kinda' scary (and had the bandages to prove it) was Tom Silva on TOH but
he was my "favoritest" of all to watch for all that for his common sense
and skill set...I just don't follow his work habits all the time...

--


Norm's on several times a day/week on one of our PBS Digital Channels. The
network is called "Create" and they show several of the more popular how-to
type programs.

Might be worth getting a digital converter box (or hooking up an old
friend, the rabbet ear antenna) if you can get that channel.

Puckdropper
--
If you're quiet, your teeth never touch your ankles.

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

"LRod" wrote in message
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:18:28 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:


"Lee Michaels" wrote

Norm's safety lapses are legendary. I sometimes just cringe when I see
him
do certain things. Other times I just cover my eyes. My wife finds
these
thing to be very amusing and always asks me to explain what he is doing
wrong.

About the only move that makes me involuntarily turn my head is when Norm
runs 1 1/2" x 3/4" stock over a dado stack, with one hand, or both,
pushing
down over the blade.

I would be very impressed if you could cite a single instance where he
has done that. Episode is all I need. If he's done it, I'll find it,
come back and tell you, and give you three days to draw a crowd.

I've seen him run lots of stock on lots of machines, but any time he
has to venture near the blade/bit, he has a pushstick or jig. Always.

Too many people claim they've seen his hands near the blade and
whenever I go look at the episode what I see is a long shot with
telephoto from down low behind the blade. If you know anything about
photography at all you would know that his hands could be six feet
away from the blade but with the telephoto and low angle, they would
look like they were within inches of it.


Hell, I'm impressed already ... at both your superior, condescending "final
word" (albeit self appointed) knowledge of what Norm does and does not do;
AND from your ability to unilaterally determine, from a distance and without
being there, that someone does NOT occasionally cringe when watching Norm
use a dado stack.

AAMOF, I'd have to say that it's you who should be given 3 days to draw the
crowd for such an impressive talent.

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Last update: 5/14/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:07:01 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:


"LRod" wrote in message
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:18:28 -0500, "Swingman" wrote:


"Lee Michaels" wrote

Norm's safety lapses are legendary. I sometimes just cringe when I see
him
do certain things. Other times I just cover my eyes. My wife finds
these
thing to be very amusing and always asks me to explain what he is doing
wrong.

About the only move that makes me involuntarily turn my head is when Norm
runs 1 1/2" x 3/4" stock over a dado stack, with one hand, or both,
pushing
down over the blade.

I would be very impressed if you could cite a single instance where he
has done that. Episode is all I need. If he's done it, I'll find it,
come back and tell you, and give you three days to draw a crowd.

I've seen him run lots of stock on lots of machines, but any time he
has to venture near the blade/bit, he has a pushstick or jig. Always.

Too many people claim they've seen his hands near the blade and
whenever I go look at the episode what I see is a long shot with
telephoto from down low behind the blade. If you know anything about
photography at all you would know that his hands could be six feet
away from the blade but with the telephoto and low angle, they would
look like they were within inches of it.


Hell, I'm impressed already ... at both your superior, condescending "final
word" (albeit self appointed) knowledge of what Norm does and does not do;
AND from your ability to unilaterally determine, from a distance and without
being there, that someone does NOT occasionally cringe when watching Norm
use a dado stack.

AAMOF, I'd have to say that it's you who should be given 3 days to draw the
crowd for such an impressive talent.

Translation:

I was talking out of my ass. Not only can I not cite such an
occurence, but I'll just cover up my ignorance with a lot of blather
about what a pompous ass you are and hope nobody notices I was talking
out of my ass.



--
LRod

Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite

Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999

http://www.woodbutcher.net
http://www.normstools.com

Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997

email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month.
If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't
care to correspond with you anyway.

walt wrote:
Has anyone else noticed that Norm's safety glasses lack side shields? They
don't do much good without them.

Norm, being a man's man and a woodworker's woodworker, always stares the
dangerous stuff right in the eye. Hence, no need for side protection.