I'm hoping this picture is mislabled and they aren't selling this as
Bird's Eye Maple:
http://www.pompy.com/furniture/?cate...7&product=4152
$2,420 for a blanket chest?
Maybe tools aren't that expensive...

On Jan 22, 10:17 am, RayV wrote:
I'm hoping this picture is mislabled and they aren't selling this as
Bird's Eye Maple:http://www.pompy.com/furniture/?cate...7&product=4152
$2,420 for a blanket chest?
Maybe tools aren't that expensive...

I suspect wood is a little high by historical standards due to
politics and high energy prices, but the most significant portion of
price is labor. It would be interesting to run the numbers, but I
suspect they could ship the materials to Asia and assemble that chest
with a retail price considerably lower than the ones listed on that
site.

Jeff

Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 7:17am (EST-3) (RayV) doth
posteth:
I'm hoping this picture is mislabled and they aren't selling this as
Bird's Eye Maple:
http://www.pompy.com/furniture/?cate...7&product=4152 $2,420 for a
blanket chest?
Maybe tools aren't that expensive...

They can 'ask' any price they want, but how many do they actually
sell, at that price?



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 7:30am (EST-3) (Jeff) doth
posteth:
I suspect wood is a little high by historical standards due to politics
and high energy prices, but the most significant portion of price is
labor. It would be interesting to run the numbers, but I suspect they
could ship the materials to Asia and assemble that chest with a retail
price considerably lower than the ones listed on that site.

Historical stqandards? Years ago wages were low, prices were low.
Today wages are a lot higher, today prices are a lot higher.

If you want to run the numbers, you can go out and find someone
that would custom make one for you, of at least equal quality, if not
better, with high quality wood, for less then what those people want.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

Sure doesn't look like Bird's Eye Maple to me.
Dick

"RayV" wrote in message
...
I'm hoping this picture is mislabled and they aren't selling this as
Bird's Eye Maple:
http://www.pompy.com/furniture/?cate...7&product=4152
$2,420 for a blanket chest?
Maybe tools aren't that expensive...

Dick Keats wrote:

Sure doesn't look like Bird's Eye Maple to me.
Dick

"RayV" wrote in message
...

I'm hoping this picture is mislabled and they aren't selling this as
Bird's Eye Maple:
http://www.pompy.com/furniture/?cate...7&product=4152
$2,420 for a blanket chest?
Maybe tools aren't that expensive...




It's not maple, but anyone that would pay over 2,000 bucks for it could
probably be easily fooled.

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

On Jan 22, 6:26 pm, Robert Allison wrote:
Dick Keats wrote:
Sure doesn't look like Bird's Eye Maple to me.
Dick

"RayV" wrote in message
...

I'm hoping this picture is mislabled and they aren't selling this as
Bird's Eye Maple:
http://www.pompy.com/furniture/?cate...7&product=4152
$2,420 for a blanket chest?
Maybe tools aren't that expensive...

It's not maple, but anyone that would pay over 2,000 bucks for it could
probably be easily fooled.


Some of their 'cherry' furniture doesn't look like cherry to me, but
that chest looks enough like maple that I couldn't say it isn't
just from that photo.

If it's bird's eye anything, then either the eyes are really really
small,
or someone digitally altered the photo to remove the eyes, perhaps
thinking they were an image defect.

I saw a picture in (I think) US News and World Report which was
supposed to show the Perseid meteor shower as shot from the
Desert in Jordan. The photo had been altered to remove all of the
meteor images!

--

FF

RayV wrote:
I'm hoping this picture is mislabled and they aren't selling this as
Bird's Eye Maple:
http://www.pompy.com/furniture/?cate...7&product=4152
$2,420 for a blanket chest?
Maybe tools aren't that expensive...


If you could touch some of their furniture, you'd think your tools were
even less expensive.

Some of the stuff could be mistaken for Ikea. G

On Jan 22, 11:58 am, (J T) wrote:
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 7:30am (EST-3) (Jeff) doth
posteth:
I suspect wood is a little high by historical standards due to politics
and high energy prices, but the most significant portion of price is
labor. It would be interesting to run the numbers, but I suspect they
could ship the materials to Asia and assemble that chest with a retail
price considerably lower than the ones listed on that site.

Historical stqandards? Years ago wages were low, prices were low.
Today wages are a lot higher, today prices are a lot higher.


It's not that simple. Some prices are higher while others are
considerably lower. How many computers did you own in the 1970s? Now
you can practically get one in a box of cracker jacks. Lumber is a
natural product whose price is tied tightly to energy and housing. I
can't find free historical pricing on the Internets but I did find
this flimsy indicator. In 1991, "the 15,800 board feet of lumber used
to frame the average house cost $3,200 at the sawmill gate. Today, the
same quantity costs $7,000." Harvests are down, energy is up and we're
at the end of a housing boom. That price will probably recede. I'm not
sure how this compares to the mid 70s - the gold standard of high
lumber prices, but I doubt I was off base when I said it was a little
high by historical standards.

Jeff

Jeff wrote:
On Jan 22, 11:58 am, (J T) wrote:
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 7:30am (EST-3) (Jeff) doth
posteth:
I suspect wood is a little high by historical standards due to
politics and high energy prices, but the most significant portion
of
price is labor. It would be interesting to run the numbers, but I
suspect they could ship the materials to Asia and assemble that
chest with a retail price considerably lower than the ones listed
on
that site.

Historical stqandards? Years ago wages were low, prices were
low. Today wages are a lot higher, today prices are a lot higher.


It's not that simple. Some prices are higher while others are
considerably lower. How many computers did you own in the 1970s? Now
you can practically get one in a box of cracker jacks.

I paid about 180 bucks for a Bosch jigsaw in 1979 or thereabouts. I
paid 160 a few months ago for the one that replaced it when the old
one died the death. The price of a Sawzall has pretty nearly remained
constant in the face of inflation. Tools right now are a bargain
compared to the '70s.

Lumber is a
natural product whose price is tied tightly to energy and housing. I
can't find free historical pricing on the Internets but I did find
this flimsy indicator. In 1991, "the 15,800 board feet of lumber
used
to frame the average house cost $3,200 at the sawmill gate. Today,
the
same quantity costs $7,000." Harvests are down, energy is up and
we're
at the end of a housing boom. That price will probably recede. I'm
not
sure how this compares to the mid 70s - the gold standard of high
lumber prices, but I doubt I was off base when I said it was a
little
high by historical standards.

Jeff

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--John
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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:38pm (EST-3) (Jeff) doth
sayeth:
It's not that simple. snip
How many computers did you own in the 1970s? snip
"the 15,800 board feet of lumber used to frame the average house cost
$3,200 at the sawmill gate. Today, the same quantity costs $7,000."
snip

I was trying to keep it simple. And, you forgot, prices on almost
anything depends on location. Before I forget, today I own exactly as
many computers now as I did in the 1970s - zero. Sounds to me like
you're making a flat statement about the price of lumber for a house.
Hell, I live about 15 miles from a moderate size city, you buy a home in
the south part of the city, and it might clost $10,000 less than the
exact same mode home in the north part, maybe 2-3 miles away, and
knowing the lumber cost is about the same. But you go to San Francisco,
or somewhere like that, and that identical model home would probably n
you well over $1,000,000, and no telling what price the lumber would
cost. Location, location, location.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

J T wrote:
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:38pm (EST-3) (Jeff) doth
sayeth:
It's not that simple. snip
How many computers did you own in the 1970s? snip
"the 15,800 board feet of lumber used to frame the average house
cost
$3,200 at the sawmill gate. Today, the same quantity costs $7,000."
snip

I was trying to keep it simple. And, you forgot, prices on
almost anything depends on location. Before I forget, today I own
exactly as many computers now as I did in the 1970s - zero.

If you dig into the stuff you own you may be surprised. Just about
anything with a control system these days uses a microcomputer. TV
sets, watches, clocks, cars, microwave ovens, small appliances . . .

Sounds
to me like you're making a flat statement about the price of lumber
for a house. Hell, I live about 15 miles from a moderate size city,
you buy a home in the south part of the city, and it might clost
$10,000 less than the exact same mode home in the north part, maybe
2-3 miles away, and knowing the lumber cost is about the same. But
you go to San Francisco, or somewhere like that, and that identical
model home would probably n you well over $1,000,000, and no telling
what price the lumber would cost. Location, location, location.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

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On Jan 22, 9:50 pm, "J. Clarke" wrote:
J T wrote:
Tue, Jan 22, 2008, 12:38pm (EST-3) (Jeff) doth
sayeth:
It's not that simple. snip
How many computers did you own in the 1970s? snip
"the 15,800 board feet of lumber used to frame the average house
cost
$3,200 at the sawmill gate. Today, the same quantity costs $7,000."
snip

I was trying to keep it simple. And, you forgot, prices on
almost anything depends on location. Before I forget, today I own
exactly as many computers now as I did in the 1970s - zero.

If you dig into the stuff you own you may be surprised. Just about
anything with a control system these days uses a microcomputer. TV
sets, watches, clocks, cars, microwave ovens, small appliances . . .


Maybe he's doing a Ted Kaczynski and living off the grid...

Thought I would bring this around.

Went to buy cherry ply the other day. Price $130..

A small lumber guy I deal with who doesn't deal in ply or anything but
hardwoods sells cherry for about $4.30 - $4.80 depending on when I have
bought it. I didn't check his current price, but the 4.80 was the
highest I paid last April. Bought about 150 bd feet which is gone now.

So the question is, why would I buy cherry ply for $130, when I can buy
less expensive birch ply, and resaw the cherry into veneer, and make the
cherry go way farther. Aside from the time savings, (I'm not a pro), I
think cherry ply is way over priced right now compared to the cost of
cherry.

Even if I decided to eliminate the ply and build it with solid cherry,
the cost difference w/o loss is negligible. About 150 to 130..

On Jan 23, 4:51*pm, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
Thought I would bring this around.

Went to buy cherry ply the other day. Price $130..

A small lumber guy I deal with who doesn't deal in ply or anything but
hardwoods sells cherry for about $4.30 - $4.80 depending on when I have
bought it. I didn't check his current price, but the 4.80 was the
highest I paid last April. Bought about 150 bd feet which is gone now.

So the question is, why would I buy cherry ply for $130, when I can buy
less expensive birch ply, and resaw the cherry into veneer, and make the
cherry go way farther. *Aside from the time savings, (I'm not a pro), I
think cherry ply is way over priced right now compared to the cost of
cherry.

Even if I decided to eliminate the ply and build it with solid cherry,
the cost difference w/o loss is negligible. About 150 to 130..

Are you thinking you could buy birch, resaw your own veneer, and make
cherry ply in your shop for less than the 130? And come out with the
same product? Thats crazy. You have perhaps 60.00 a sheet or more into
the birch ply. Tthat would leave you, best case, with 70.00 to work
with. This doesnt take into account that 60.00/sheet is low, fuel, and
your time to go get it, and so on.

After that you have to purchase the cherry (+fuel and time) , resaw
it, (blades, shop time, wear and tear) etc.. Veneer the ply, (glue,
clamps, time, vaccum setup, etc..) Sand, scrape, finish the ply
(paper), and you are still going to likely have an inferior product to
the commercially available ply.

Even if you used a very low number of $100.00/hr just for the shop
time you would be losing your shirt.

The solid cherry option is fine unless you wanted the stability and
speed of the ply in the first place (which is likely).

Too often people dont realize that the added expense of a given item
is far offset by its time savings and other charecteristics. This is
very easy to do when you devalue your time and operating costs down to
$0.00.

Mark

Wed, Jan 23, 2008, 6:58am (EST-3) (Jeff) doth sayeth
that John done writ:
If you dig into the stuff you own you may be surprised. Just about
anything with a control system these days uses a microcomputer. TV sets,
watches, clocks, cars, microwave ovens, small appliances . To which you
writ:. .
Maybe he's doing a Ted Kaczynski and living off the grid...

I'm still on the grid, but as much as most of you Ill bet.

No computer, '78 Camino daily driver - in fact my only driver,
microwave maybe 15 years old, TV maybe 15 years old, clock maybe 15
years old, wind up pocket watch - when I carry a watch, coffee pot
on-off switch only, 4 calculators - none newer than several years - the
elcheapo kind. That's as exotic as it gets around here. Still on the
grid, but low key - and that's the way I prefer it. Oh yeah, I do carry
a cell phone, pre-paid - but it's turned off, emergency use only.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

$60.. Birch ply is $45 a sheet here.
Putting on another 2 layers 1 on each side would be time consuming, but
I would actually get 2 A sides out of it, matched two.

I would be at 1" ... better. Cherry ply for $130 is not A/A..
Since I am not a professional, I can afford the time and cost.
But if I were a professional, it would still work for high end work.
Very cost effective. A pro shop would probably use MDF for a substrate,
but I don't like MDF. Too heavy, reminds me of cheap knockdown
furniture. Don't get me wrong I use it for jigs and templates.. but I
don't believe in it for furniture.

BDBConstruction wrote:
On Jan 23, 4:51 pm, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
Thought I would bring this around.

Went to buy cherry ply the other day. Price $130..

A small lumber guy I deal with who doesn't deal in ply or anything but
hardwoods sells cherry for about $4.30 - $4.80 depending on when I have
bought it. I didn't check his current price, but the 4.80 was the
highest I paid last April. Bought about 150 bd feet which is gone now.

So the question is, why would I buy cherry ply for $130, when I can buy
less expensive birch ply, and resaw the cherry into veneer, and make the
cherry go way farther. Aside from the time savings, (I'm not a pro), I
think cherry ply is way over priced right now compared to the cost of
cherry.

Even if I decided to eliminate the ply and build it with solid cherry,
the cost difference w/o loss is negligible. About 150 to 130..

Are you thinking you could buy birch, resaw your own veneer, and make
cherry ply in your shop for less than the 130? And come out with the
same product? Thats crazy. You have perhaps 60.00 a sheet or more into
the birch ply. Tthat would leave you, best case, with 70.00 to work
with. This doesnt take into account that 60.00/sheet is low, fuel, and
your time to go get it, and so on.

After that you have to purchase the cherry (+fuel and time) , resaw
it, (blades, shop time, wear and tear) etc.. Veneer the ply, (glue,
clamps, time, vaccum setup, etc..) Sand, scrape, finish the ply
(paper), and you are still going to likely have an inferior product to
the commercially available ply.

Even if you used a very low number of $100.00/hr just for the shop
time you would be losing your shirt.

The solid cherry option is fine unless you wanted the stability and
speed of the ply in the first place (which is likely).

Too often people dont realize that the added expense of a given item
is far offset by its time savings and other charecteristics. This is
very easy to do when you devalue your time and operating costs down to
$0.00.

Mark

(J T) wrote:

Oh yeah, I do carry
a cell phone, pre-paid - but it's turned off, emergency use only.


I'll second the cell phone thing. Damn if I can figure out why anyone would
want to be instantly available to all and sundry. I don't even answer the
land line. Got a machine does that. If I don't call back, I probably don't
want to talk to you.

J T wrote:
No computer, '78 Camino daily driver - in fact my only driver,
microwave maybe 15 years old, TV maybe 15 years old, clock maybe 15
years old, wind up pocket watch - when I carry a watch, coffee pot
on-off switch only, 4 calculators - none newer than several years -
the elcheapo kind. That's as exotic as it gets around here. Still
on the grid, but low key - and that's the way I prefer it. Oh yeah,
I do carry a cell phone, pre-paid - but it's turned off, emergency
use only.

Are you posting to the newsgroup from your coffee maker?


Lumpy

In Your Ears for 40 Years
www.LumpyMusic.com

Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 5:23am (EST+5)
(Lobby*Dosser) doth sayeth:
I'll second the cell phone thing. Damn if I can figure out why anyone
would want to be instantly available to all and sundry. I don't even
answer the land line. Got a machine does that. If I don't call back, I
probably don't want to talk to you.

My answering machine died a few years back and I never replaced it.
Now I don't come back home to messages wanting me to call someone.
Yesterday I got a call from someone that had been trying since Mon to
get ahold of me. Heh heh. Not to try to sell me sumpin, but to deliver
sompin. I was available for alll but about an hour each day. I prefer
the no answering machine method.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 9:30am (EST-2) (Lumpy)
doth queryeth:
Are you posting to the newsgroup from your coffee maker?

Yer not from around here, are ya? Don' need no steenkin' computer,
got WebTV.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:50:55 -0500, (J T)
wrote:

Yer not from around here, are ya? Don' need no steenkin' computer,
got WebTV.

What do you think they've got in that box, a cuissinart? It *IS* a
computer, you know...


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BDBConstruction wrote:
Too often people dont realize that the added expense of a given item
is far offset by its time savings and other charecteristics. This is
very easy to do when you devalue your time and operating costs down to
$0.00.

Mark

Some people confuse a business with a hobby...different rules...Rod

Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 8:41pm (EST+5)
(Brian*Henderson) doth claimeth:
What do you think they've got in that box, a cuissinart? It *IS* a
computer, you know...

Most of the people at the next to the last place I worked thought
they had computers. What they actually had were terminals, hooked into
the mainframe computers. What I think is that I've got something along
the same lines.. A compuer it ain't.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

On Jan 23, 10:36*pm, tiredofspam nospam.nospam.com wrote:
$60.. Birch ply is $45 a sheet here.

+ tax, + fuel, +time,....

Putting on another 2 layers 1 on each side would be time consuming, but
I would actually get 2 A sides out of it, matched two.

I would be at 1" ... better.

So you would have to compare the price to 1" cherry ply

Cherry ply for $130 is not A/A..

Who knows if you would have A/A, what you would accept during
manufacture, and what the outcome would be

Since I am not a professional, I can afford the time and cost.

No you cant, and this was the main point of my reply, there is still
time, and moreso there is still cost. It would be like someone saying
their local supplier wanted $XXX for some 4/4 cherry and they got a
steal on the same material somewhere else but failed to factor in that
they drove 800 miles to pick up the material, and lost a days pay, as
opposed to buying it locally. Most would only compare what they
actually paid for the cherry itself. Its called self dillusion. Your
time, hobby or not, has a value and your gas and shop costs are likely
the same, or at least similar, to mine per square foot.

You still have an electric bill, heat bill, blades, equipment
depreciation, you still buy blades just like I do, etc.. Just becasue
you are not "a professional" doesnt mean these $$ are not coming out
of your checking account. They should be directly associated to the
cost of that sheet of ply. They are directly associated with "the cost
of goods" and your operational costs even though they are funded as a
hobby.

But if I were a professional, it would still work for high end work.
Very cost effective.

No, cost effective would be to source 1" A/A cherry ply (if needed)
because the shop time to create this cherry ply in any quantity would
likely be several hundred dollars per sheet. Say you could make 2
sheets per 1.5 day (glue ups an all) using the numbers so far. 1.5
days shop time = 1200.00, substrate (your numbers) 90.00, cherry
veneer 102.40 (3 sq'/bd' no waste, no cull), misc (glue) 4.00. That
totals 1396.40 for 2 sheets, or 698.20/sheet. Even if you devalue your
shop time by 50% Its still 398.20 per sheet and there is no factor for
consumables (blades, paper) other than glue, no sales tax, no fuel to
procure material.

A pro shop would probably use MDF for a substrate,
but I don't like MDF. Too heavy, reminds me of cheap knockdown
furniture. Don't get me wrong I use it for jigs and templates.. but I
don't believe in it for furniture.

"Probably's" arent really what I was talking about. I am merely saying
that one hour of your shop time, and you are in the hole for 100.00.
Period. It doesnt matter if you are a professional or not. I am not
saying not to do it by any means. We all play around with new
techniques and try new and different things all the time. I am not
however going to dillude myself that I could fab a new engine for my
truck for cheaper than I can buy it by devaluing my time to $0.00.

I am not a fan of speding money, but the simple fact is that there are
very few things that you can fabricate or build for less actual $$ (if
you use honest accounting) than you can buy them for. If we have a
unique situation or want to try it for the hell of it, thats fine, but
on mass it is a losing proposition.

Mark

On Jan 24, 4:20*pm, "Rod & Betty Jo" wrote:
BDBConstruction wrote:
Too often people dont realize that the added expense of a given item
is far offset by its time savings and other charecteristics. This is
very easy to do when you devalue your time and operating costs down to
$0.00.

Mark

Some people confuse a business with a hobby...different rules...Rod

Where is the difference? If you buy a sheet of ply for $45 and modify
it at a direct, accountable, cost to you of $300 it becomes a $345
sheet of ply.

You may be more willing, and in fact happy, to pay the $345 because it
was part of your hobby and you received enjoyment in the manufacture
of said sheet but none the less the cost of that sheet was $345.

The point is, you cant say "man ply is high, so I make my own*". The *
at the end of that statement has a monetary value that should not be
misstated.


Mark

(J T) wrote in news:29522-47990821-234
@storefull-3338.bay.webtv.net:

Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 8:41pm (EST+5)
(Brian*Henderson) doth claimeth:
What do you think they've got in that box, a cuissinart? It *IS* a
computer, you know...

Most of the people at the next to the last place I worked thought
they had computers. What they actually had were terminals, hooked into
the mainframe computers. What I think is that I've got something along
the same lines.. A compuer it ain't.



JOAT

You're right. It's not a compuer. It is, however, by definition a
computer. It processes, stores, and retrieves information via a logic-
based process. Thus, your WebTV box is a computer. QED.

Puckdropper
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Marching to the beat of a different drum is great... unless you're in
marching band.

To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm

J T wrote:
Thu, Jan 24, 2008, 8:41pm (EST+5)

(Brian Henderson) doth claimeth:
What do you think they've got in that box, a cuissinart? It *IS* a
computer, you know...

Most of the people at the next to the last place I worked
thought
they had computers. What they actually had were terminals, hooked
into the mainframe computers. What I think is that I've got
something along the same lines.. A compuer it ain't.

Actually if it's a typical WebTV box then it's a 64-bit RISC computer
with a proprietary operating system in firmware. The CPU is fully
capable of running Linux or other operating systems, the box can't
because it's been deliberately crippled to prevent any other OS from
being installed.

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to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

tiredofspam wrote:

Even if I decided to eliminate the ply and build it with solid cherry,
the cost difference w/o loss is negligible. About 150 to 130..


There's more to plywood than cost savings.

Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 4:40am (EST+5) (Puckdropper)
doth sayeth:
You're right. It's not a compuer. It is, however, by definition a
computer. It processes, stores, and retrieves information via a logic-
based process. Thus, your WebTV box is a computer. QED.

Not really. It's like a remote computer terminal, it accesses a
computer, which processes, stores, etc., but it can't do any of it on
its own, you disconnect a remote terman from the computer, and it won't
do a thing; whereas a PC can function on its own. Bottom line, WebTV
isn't near as flexible as a PC, can't download files, slow at times, but
it gives me web access, got a printer, let's me send and receive e-mail,
daily spam, that'll do for now..



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 12:49am (J.*Clarke) doth
sayeth:
Actually if it's a typical WebTV box then it's a 64-bit RISC computer
with a proprietary operating system in firmware. The CPU is fully
capable of running Linux or other operating systems, the box can't
because it's been deliberately crippled to prevent any other OS from
being installed.
Ah. Thank you. Didn't understand a bit of it. LOL



JOAT
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Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:31am (B*A*R*R*Y)
doth sayeth:
There's more to plywood than cost savings.

Indeed yes. The Egyptians, or whoever, did good when they first
invented it.



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(J T) wrote in
:

Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 4:40am (EST+5) (Puckdropper)
doth sayeth:
You're right. It's not a compuer. It is, however, by definition a
computer. It processes, stores, and retrieves information via a logic-
based process. Thus, your WebTV box is a computer. QED.

Not really. It's like a remote computer terminal, it accesses a
computer, which processes, stores, etc., but it can't do any of it on
its own, you disconnect a remote terman from the computer, and it
won't do a thing; whereas a PC can function on its own. Bottom line,
WebTV isn't near as flexible as a PC, can't download files, slow at
times, but it gives me web access, got a printer, let's me send and
receive e-mail, daily spam, that'll do for now..



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

You're thinking of a computer as a personal computer, or a
microcomputer. Those are very specific classes of computers, there's
many many others. Your WebTV box is a computer, but not a
microcomputer.

Puckdropper
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marching band.

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"Rod & Betty Jo" wrote in message
...
Puckdropper wrote:
You're thinking of a computer as a personal computer, or a
microcomputer. Those are very specific classes of computers, there's
many many others. Your WebTV box is a computer, but not a
microcomputer.

Puckdropper

I'd think WEBTV it is more of a terminal than a computer


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/computer
computer (km-pytr)
A programmable machine that performs high-speed processing of numbers, as
well as of text, graphics, symbols, and sound. All computers contain a
central processing unit that interprets and executes instructions; input
devices, such as a keyboard and a mouse, through which data and commands
enter the computer; memory that enables the computer to store programs and
data; and output devices, such as printers and display screens, that show
the results after the computer has processed data.

a webtv computer matches your definition. so does a modern cash register,
for that matter.

the term you're searching for is a general purpose computer, which a webtv
is not. it could be thought of more as a specific purpose controller rather
than a computer.

regards,
charlie
http://glassartists.org/chaniarts

Of course wood is expensive. It doesn't grow on trees, you know.

Lee

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J T wrote:
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 11:31am (B A R R Y)
doth sayeth:
There's more to plywood than cost savings.

Indeed yes. The Egyptians, or whoever, did good when they
first
invented it.

I understand that one of Rome's "secret weapons" was their plywood
shields. Think what could have happened if somebody had showed them
how to make Lexan.

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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:55:29 -0500, "J. Clarke"
wrote:

I understand that one of Rome's "secret weapons" was their plywood
shields. Think what could have happened if somebody had showed them
how to make Lexan.


Funny thought!

Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 7:32pm (EST+5) (Puckdropper)
doth sayeth:
You're thinking of a computer as a personal computer, or a
microcomputer. Those are very specific classes of computers, there's
many many others. Your WebTV box is a computer, but not a microcomputer.

Actually I was thinking of the main frames I used to run, with
remote terminals on the manufacturing floor, and in the offices.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 4:55pm (J.*Clarke) doth
sayeth:
I understand that one of Rome's "secret weapons" was their plywood
shields. Think what could have happened if somebody had showed them how
to make Lexan.

Be happy they didn't discover how to make gunpowder.



JOAT
10 Out Of 10 Terrorists Prefer Hillary For President
- Bumper Sticker
I don't have a problem with a woman president - just not Hillary.

J T wrote:
Fri, Jan 25, 2008, 4:55pm (J. Clarke) doth
sayeth:
I understand that one of Rome's "secret weapons" was their plywood
shields. Think what could have happened if somebody had showed them
how to make Lexan.

Be happy they didn't discover how to make gunpowder.

Why be happy? Rome was the bright hope of the world at the time.


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