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Hello.
I'm sure this has been posted about in here before, but I don't know how to find it. So I'll ask again. I am running a 220 line for my new (used) tablesaw. What does the ground attach to in the breaker box? Does it go to the neutral bus bar, or elsewhere? Thanks, Alex |
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Alexander Rabinovich wrote:
I am running a 220 line for my new (used) tablesaw. What does the ground attach to in the breaker box? Does it go to the neutral bus bar, or elsewhere? It goes to the ground bus bar with all the other grounds. Chris |
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"Alexander Rabinovich" writes: I am running a 220 line for my new (used) tablesaw. What does the ground attach to in the breaker box? Does it go to the neutral bus bar, or elsewhere? [I am not a licensed electrician. Always follow local code and ordinances.] Ground (green/bare) always goes to ground. Always. Your main breaker box may be the ground/neutral strapping point, though, in which case both bus bars are connected together and it shouldn't matter which you use (unless the existing wires are segregated, in which case, use the same as as the other ground wires). A 120v circuit uses one line to the breaker (black) and one line to neutral (white), in addition to ground. A 240v circuit has two options: 1. Two lines to each pole of a dual-pole breaker (supposed to be black/red, so if you use two-conductor cable (which is black/white) you should use a red marker to mark the white wires). 2. Two lines to each pole of a dual-pole breaker (as above) and a third line (white) to neutral. Table saws almost laways use #1. Color summary: Green/bare - ground. White - neutral. Black - hot (breaker or dual breaker). Red - hot #2 (dual breaker). Now, within the tool the colors may not be so obvious (they should be, but they may not be). However, one wire should be physically connected to the metal chassis or the metal case of the motor. This wire is ground. Any plugs/outlets you may install should have information on them about which wires go where, but usually there's one screw that's greenish (ground), one that's silverish (white, neutral) and one that's bronze (black, hot). 240v outlets will have two bronze screws, and may label them "L1" and "L2". No, it doesn't matter which hot is which. Other tidbits... In polarized outlets, the wider prong is neutral. Outlets should be installed with ground "up" so if the plug is loose, anything falling in there will hit ground first. All metal boxes and conduits must be connected to ground, but should not be used *as* ground. Wires should be attached to 2x4 wall studs at the center, to avoid getting damaged by sheetrock screws. |
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DJ Delorie wrote in :
*snip* Other tidbits... In polarized outlets, the wider prong is neutral. Outlets should be installed with ground "up" so if the plug is loose, anything falling in there will hit ground first. All metal boxes and conduits must be connected to ground, but should not be used *as* ground. Wires should be attached to 2x4 wall studs at the center, to avoid getting damaged by sheetrock screws. So that's why they switched positions! I got used to the "face" and was wondering why the new outlets were positioned "upside down." Is this a NEC requirement, or just something for extra safety? Puckdropper -- Wise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it. To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm |
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"Puckdropper" wrote in message So that's why they switched positions! I got used to the "face" and was wondering why the new outlets were positioned "upside down." Is this a NEC requirement, or just something for extra safety? Not required by code, but it is becoming an accepted practice. |
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On 04 Nov 2007 00:53:55 GMT, Puckdropper
wrote: DJ Delorie wrote in : *snip* Other tidbits... In polarized outlets, the wider prong is neutral. Outlets should be installed with ground "up" so if the plug is loose, anything falling in there will hit ground first. All metal boxes and conduits must be connected to ground, but should not be used *as* ground. Wires should be attached to 2x4 wall studs at the center, to avoid getting damaged by sheetrock screws. So that's why they switched positions! I got used to the "face" and was wondering why the new outlets were positioned "upside down." Is this a NEC requirement, or just something for extra safety? Annoys the **** out of me. It just looks wrong. And the "reasoning" (loose plug/falling object) ranks right up there with dust collection system explosions. I've yet to see or hear any actual documented example of that happening anywhere. Things you will never see in my house: Al Sharpton, Bill O'Reilly, upside down receptacles, Al Sharpton (not redundant). -- LRod Master Woodbutcher and seasoned termite Shamelessly whoring my website since 1999 http://www.woodbutcher.net Proud participant of rec.woodworking since February, 1997 email addy de-spam-ified due to 1,000 spams per month. If you can't figure out how to use it, I probably wouldn't care to correspond with you anyway. |
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Alexander Rabinovich wrote:
Hello. I'm sure this has been posted about in here before, but I don't know how to find it. So I'll ask again. I am running a 220 line for my new (used) tablesaw. What does the ground attach to in the breaker box? Does it go to the neutral bus bar, or elsewhere? If you're using three conductors plus ground, red and black go to the breaker, white goes to the neutral bus bar, green/bare goes to the ground bus bar. If you're using two conductors plus ground then black and white (mark the white conductor red at both ends with paint, tape, or heat shrink--I forget what marking method code calls for) go to the breaker and green/bare goes to the ground bus bar. -- -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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" I am running a 220 line for my new (used) tablesaw. Thank you everybody for your helpful responses. Now, it's time to grab the tool belt and go down to the basement... Alex |
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On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 21:32:42 -0400, "Alexander Rabinovich"
wrote: " I am running a 220 line for my new (used) tablesaw. Thank you everybody for your helpful responses. Now, it's time to grab the tool belt and go down to the basement... Alex After turning the breakers off, right? mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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In article , "J. Clarke" wrote:
If you're using two conductors plus ground then black and white (mark the white conductor red at both ends with paint, tape, or heat shrink--I forget what marking method code calls for) go to the breaker and green/bare goes to the ground bus bar. Code doesn't specify the marking method -- just that it must be permanent, and encircle the conductor. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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For some applications there are indeed 2 grounds, a neutral ground and
a machine ground. There is some reason the phase may be out if not wired correctly (no im not an electrician) It is the difference between 3 and 4 wire 220. Same voltage with different configuration... Do yourself a favor, check with a professional or your local township for codes...110 can kill you, but 220 likely WILL kill you if wired wrong... |
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On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:48:39 -0800, Joe wrote:
For some applications there are indeed 2 grounds, a neutral ground and a machine ground. There is some reason the phase may be out if not wired correctly (no im not an electrician) It is the difference between 3 and 4 wire 220. Same voltage with different configuration... Yep.. I hit this last year when we were running off of a generator.. The contractors generator didn't work very well... water pump and water heater would not both run without blowing the breaker on the gen., so we ran one at a time.. When we bought our own gen., I noticed that it had a 4 prong outlet, where the contractor's had 3... They has wires going to each hot and what I "assumed" was ground.. This was before we had electricity, obviously, and the 2 hot wires ran to lugs in the box above where the meter would be and the ground ran to one of 2 pieces of re-bar in the ground in front of the meter "kiosk".. We ran the 2 hots as they did, the ground to the same place they used and the neutral to the other grounding rod.. Everything worked well and my son & I were busy congratulating ourselves when my wife mentioned that the breaker panel (in the kitchen pantry) was "buzzing"... Found out it wasn't buzzing, just ARCING... oops... Shut everything down, reversed the ground and neutral and fired up the generator...Everything worked great for the next couple of months, until we got "real" electricity... mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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"mac davis" wrote in message ... We ran the 2 hots as they did, the ground to the same place they used and the neutral to the other grounding rod.. Everything worked well and my son & I were busy congratulating ourselves when my wife mentioned that the breaker panel (in the kitchen pantry) was "buzzing"... Found out it wasn't buzzing, just ARCING... oops... Shut everything down, reversed the ground and neutral and fired up the generator...Everything worked great for the next couple of months, until we got "real" electricity... Something about this doesn't sound right mac. Both of those rods should have been electrically the same, so it won't matter which wire you run to which rod. -- -Mike- |
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On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:08:24 -0500, "Mike Marlow"
wrote: "mac davis" wrote in message .. . We ran the 2 hots as they did, the ground to the same place they used and the neutral to the other grounding rod.. Everything worked well and my son & I were busy congratulating ourselves when my wife mentioned that the breaker panel (in the kitchen pantry) was "buzzing"... Found out it wasn't buzzing, just ARCING... oops... Shut everything down, reversed the ground and neutral and fired up the generator...Everything worked great for the next couple of months, until we got "real" electricity... Something about this doesn't sound right mac. Both of those rods should have been electrically the same, so it won't matter which wire you run to which rod. That got me, also.. I looked at my neighbor's kiosk and it only has one rod in the ground... Someone told me that it depended on where the ground wires went.. on the bar or on the box, or something like that.. I'm pretty comfortable working with 110v but 220v is a now thing for me.. OH.. sort of a side thing, but might be relevant: The house is built of insulating block and has no studs to screw the circuit breaker panel into, so until the did the stucco work, the panel was held in place with bailing wire twisted around a metal vent pipe and run through the screw holes in the breaker box.. These wire were RED hot and arcing.. When we reversed the ground and neutral wires, they were fine.. Bottom line was that I should have had someone qualified hook up the generator up but didn't really believe the bozo that the contractor sent out was an "electrician" mac Please remove splinters before emailing |
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"mac davis" wrote in message ... That got me, also.. I looked at my neighbor's kiosk and it only has one rod in the ground... Someone told me that it depended on where the ground wires went.. on the bar or on the box, or something like that.. I'm pretty comfortable working with 110v but 220v is a now thing for me.. Help me out here mac - what is this that you refer to as a kiosk? OH.. sort of a side thing, but might be relevant: The house is built of insulating block and has no studs to screw the circuit breaker panel into, so until the did the stucco work, the panel was held in place with bailing wire twisted around a metal vent pipe and run through the screw holes in the breaker box.. These wire were RED hot and arcing.. When we reversed the ground and neutral wires, they were fine.. Since your ground and your neutral are tied together in the box, it should not matter. You can run a generator without a ground (separate ground rod near the generator) all day long with no problems. It's done every day all across America. That means you're only running the two hot legs and the neutral back to the panel. You look just like the public utility at this point. Tie the ground and the neutral together as you did by clamping to earth ground, and tie the panel to earth ground and you've effectively done the same thing. That of course, assumes that both of those ground rods were indeed making good earth contact. Just being driven into the ground 8' does not assure good earth ground. As odd as that sounds, when I was in the Air Force they used to inspect our earth grounds every few months. Sometimes the ground would read a high resistance and they'd pour water there to see if that fixed it. Then of course, they'd schedule a follow up inspection to make sure that the ground was indeed good. At home, nobody measures their earth ground. We just sink rods and move on. It's hard to guess in retrospect, what was wrong, but this really sounds more like a fundamental wiring mistake - either in your cable or how you hit the panel. Somehow you put a leg of voltage on the panel box. I'll just about guarantee there was a wiring error in there somewhere. -- -Mike- |
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